Stormers Spear-tackled
30 Jan 2006
The Stormers will get “blown away” in the Super 14, according to Peter de Villiers, the coach on the receiving end of a 73-5 caning from the Cape side on Saturday.
Clearly agitated, De Villiers refuted claims that he had instructed the Spears to spoil, despite the sin-binning and red card handed out by referee Marius Joncker in the first half.
“If the Stormers play like that in the Super 14, they’ll get blown off the field,” De Villiers told keo.co.za. “Eugene [Maqwelana - the prop who was sent off] was bitten first, the blood was pouring from his ear. He shouldn’t have retaliated but he did, I’m not condoning that but I can promise you he was not the instigator. These people have a history. Schalk Burger gets yellow carded every week internationally and then suddenly he’s this angel. Come on. They got away with a helluva lot that they won’t be in Super 14, and the fact that my guys responded to their approach meant we played with 14 men for 57 minutes, and that’s why the score was so emphatic. Not because they played well.”
De Villiers believes that the Stormers’ intention was to instigate “problems” from the kick-off, thus destabilising his youthful side.
“People say I instructed our players to play beyond the law, but it’s the opposite way round actually. I heard from inside their squad that they wouldn’t take any nonsense, and our guys heard that too. When we were on the field and saw how they were playing, my guys made the decision that they weren’t going to allow them to push us around. We had no protection from the referee so either we could be bullied or respond in kind. We chose the latter.
“One thing people can’t take away from me is the fact that I won’t ever waste people’s time. We have never practised to play outside the law. Never once have I told a player to do anything outside the law. I will never do a thing like that. I’m no loser, but winning isn’t everything. It’s important that my side plays the game in the right spirit, and I honestly don’t believe that was possible this weekend.”
De Villiers reserved special criticism for the Stormers management.
“They are an entity that demands respect, with 10 Boks in their starting team. Why, then, don’t they play to their strengths and stick to the law? When they needed to use their head to win the game, in the first half an hour, the score stayed at 0-0. Only when we had effectively shot ourselves in the foot by getting someone sent off did they build some momentum and built up a big margin on the the scoreboard. They really didn’t lool that good, they couldn’t help themselves when they had to. They had to wait for us to make way for them by becoming ill-disciplined before they did anything respectable. I have studied the game and I can’t believe how much they got away with. There’s no other way to say this, the refereeing was biased on Saturday.
“I think some serious questions have to be asked. I mean look at the case of [flyhalf] Isma-eel Dollie. He was chased away from Cape Town because he was told he couldn’t tackle. Look how he tackled on the field on Saturday. He was the best 10 on the field and showed a lot of so-called talent spotters up.”
De Villiers’ side have now lost consecutively to the Cheetahs, Cats and Stormers, and believes public perception has already turned against them as a result.
“I don’t know what to feel. I read in the papers about court cases that will be launched to prevent us from joining the Super 14. There is a conspiracy against this side and now it’s extending to the fied. The Stormers were not a good advertisement for South African rugby on Saturday, and I wouldn’t be so positive if I were them. They used experienced internationals to distract our guys. They’re young and maybe naive, so if that is the victory they wanted, well they got it. I wouldn’t be proud of it.”
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30 Jan 2006, 16:56 pm
Breyton can’t tackle, Bolla is unfit, Quentin is a troublemaker, Shimange must get experience, Dollie can’t tackle, Seconds is not as fast as Gus, Eddie is not a good prop, Delport must get experience, …….Same old Mallet excuses when it come to black players.Hope the stormers get f/!”£$d over in the super 14.Pieter deViliers should have been stormers coach.His credentials are there for all to see. O yes, I forgot he is black.
30 Jan 2006, 16:56 pm
If the injury crises continue in the Bulls camp during the home leg . . . their frail touring mentality will cause a major implosion in the away leg and relegation is therefore a real possibility. This is super 14 and anything is possible (Ask the Blues) Woe to the overconfident.
30 Jan 2006, 17:04 pm
Redox
WP/Stormers and their supporters are synonymous with ***.
30 Jan 2006, 17:06 pm
Redox,
Yes, it is midboggling that some people actually voted for Dries to play hooker! They would usually be the ones to play Skinstad on centre, Schalk Brits at Fullback and so on.
30 Jan 2006, 17:06 pm
McSpyker
I don’t think Pieter wants that can of worms for all the money in the world.
Rather let him take players like Dollie to the SEC where they’ll eventually perform and beat WP.
You forgot:
We don’t want Willem De Waal or Derrick Hougaard
Earl Rose is too young
Jodie Rose is too small
What about Schalk Brits?
Don’t try and limit WP / Stormers stupidity to just their black player management….
Rather let Pieter De Villiers F–k them over good and solid in a year or so … with his young black WP discards.
30 Jan 2006, 17:17 pm
Thats all Spears will be WP discards.PDV stop crying………
30 Jan 2006, 17:20 pm
BIGBOSS
The way the stormers discards are going JP Nel, Hougaard, and soon to be Jody Rose i wouldnt be so smug the wp discards are usually better than the wp starters LOL
30 Jan 2006, 17:21 pm
Pissant, the cheethas started the final with one current bok being Juan Smith. Yes, they had boks in their set up, but with my memory serving me correctly, the cheetahs were the total underdogs regarding facilities, sponsors, salaries, unknown players (apart from 3 boks of which only one was in the starting line up). The cheetahs were competing with the EC for the 5th franchise and everybody was pissed off at them for getting it, but imagine it was given to EC, and the cheetahs still proceded to win the curry cup. Can you think what excuses de Villiers would have had to think out when being bliksemd 150 / 0 by the brumbies or the crusaders. Now that would have been egg on SA rugby’s face, knowing that the cheetahs nailed the bulls in a final on their own ground, and that by only doing one thing right, all they did was to run out there to play good hard enforcing rugby on bulls turf.
One thing is for sure, the rest of the super 14 certainly have respect for the cheetahs, but would have had **** all for the spears, and de Villiers would have been kakking himself with the thought of still having to play the big guns (who the stormers can’t even beat)
30 Jan 2006, 17:23 pm
Keep JP,keep Hougaard and Jody who……
There are enough resources to keep the Cape going
30 Jan 2006, 17:40 pm
Markotter,
If memory serves me correctly, there were some ex-boks in the setup as well. And how about a whole lot of time for training with well defined combinations.
Hell, everybody (except very few) rip the Spears apart regarding the 2007 Super 14. Well hello Gentlemen, it’s the beginning of 2006, let’s see what the CC brings in the form of improvement from the Spears.
Typical SA rufby supporters, bitching about anything they can before it even starts. Makes me sick.
30 Jan 2006, 17:42 pm
DavidSp – you forgot to mention that WP also stole Big Joe from the Lions. And I am sure if you keep digging you’ll find more too. Go one, when you’re having a good rant, why only do half a job?
30 Jan 2006, 17:49 pm
Love it, we’re all fired up and the kick off is still a couple weeks away.
Never mind, Du Preez and Matfield will be ready come game time.
Steenkamp and Bands a couple weeks later.
And Gary Botha a couple weeks after that
And a couple weeks after that……75-14
30 Jan 2006, 17:50 pm
Which author at Keo penned this drivel?
How come no name is attached to this penmanship?
It seems that if ever there was journalistic licence this is it.
Where and when did Keo.co.za interview de Villiers?
This sounds more like Keo trying to create some mischief, be controversial and portray the Spears as sore losers and crying after the fact.
What will be a telling story will be the game and ref analysis of all the infringements made by both the Spears and Stormers on Saturday evening.
This analysis is also going to the IRB for their review, so nothing about the warm up match on Saturday, is as sinister as Keo would have you believe.
The game centred around the referee and not only did he right royally **** it up – he makes an individual who is a serial offender, gives away penalties and in every international bar two is sin binned!
How then is it possible when this IRB player of the year blatantly infringes around the edges and deliberately provokes the opposition by standing on their neck that he is blameless?
It is an impossibility and sends a message to the Stormers that they are blameless and can get away with it.
Instead from the 10th February the South African Super 14 teams will be blown from hell in much the same manner that Joncker blew the Spears.
Then we will hear the howling and wailing from the South African franchises.
30 Jan 2006, 18:04 pm
markotter,
dont get me wreong buddy – the cheetahs won the S14 bid fair and square and i have stated before the way SARU went around and f@#ked a potentially good thing for SA up is still beyond me.
the cheetahs has more than you were lead to believe my friend, out of ALL the franchises they ended up second, only behind the stormers in the overall standings in the bid process.
the spears have jackshit – yet somehow they are getting more right than wrong – on the field success will come as soon as of the field issues are sorted out.
first and foremost they need a sponsor and the sooner the SA media and supporters realize that it is in EVERYBODY’s best interest to support this team and focus on the positive things that has already happened there, the better.
maybe, just maybe a sponsor will see a great opportunnity to build with the region – SA rugby CANNOT survive if this region is excluded. It is well documented that the majority of PDI players comes from this region – now they just need the money to keep them there and develop a kick *** team.
one SA team will get relegated this year – fact.
no matter how much spinning and emotion these idiots spit that WILL not change – every S12 union signed an agreement where they supported the idea.
get behind them and lets look at how these okes can improve than slag them before they were given a fair chance.
pieter de villiers is in my view one of the top 3 coaches in SA – and he will make a lot of people look like idiots soon, mark my words.
30 Jan 2006, 22:33 pm
PissAnt,
Forgive for my stupidity, but what on this dear earth is a PDI player? Surely not a pathetic dislectic incompetent player!
31 Jan 2006, 00:18 am
Of course the Stormers will be blown into the weeds in the S14, especially by the NZ teams. But if you want to see a MASSIVE thrashing, and I’m talking hundred pointers here, week after week, wait until the Southern Spares eventually come to the S14 party!
They are going to be dismantled.
31 Jan 2006, 01:06 am
Don’t feed the ******
31 Jan 2006, 02:26 am
joondood@bonehead.com
Hahahahahah, classic. Well done Bigg.
31 Jan 2006, 06:43 am
pa
the spears have exactly the same budget as the cheetahs. another reality: if the spears don’t cut the mustard in the cc this year (top 4 finish) and saru presses through to allow them into the s14, sa can kiss the fifth s14 team goodbye. murdoch and the rest of sanzar won’t allow the spears to stuff up their product. thus far, the spears haven’t achieved anything. the only thing we see is scores of 48-0, 73-5. peter de villiers’ tears is seen as sour grapes and nothing more. they will have to shape up or ship out.
31 Jan 2006, 07:25 am
GCC,
excuse my ignorance but how you reckon they have the same budget – you talking about the SARU handouts????
i am talking a SPONSOR – you know someone that can push millions into the union so they can contract top players!
and for shipping out – our S12 teams have been doing it throughout the comp’s history – not good enough
31 Jan 2006, 07:27 am
sorry,
PDI’s – previously disadvantaged individuals.
and SARU owns 38% of the sanzar/murdoch pie – you think anyone is going to tell them to piss off????
unlikely – the sooner sa supporters accept the spears are here to stay the better
31 Jan 2006, 07:27 am
can you clarify why the SEC is so crucial for rugby in sa. Apart from
the administration side, we doing pretty good without the contribution
of the sec. here is a list of the “pdi” players involved in the springbok
setup over the last year or so. I would’ve thought, based on your
statement, that at least 50% of these players should originate
from the sec. lets have a look:
sephaka
shimange
andrews
steenkamp
tyibilika
bolla
january
habana
julies
paulse
jantjes
we can add willemse here as well.
then we have a look at the recently picked u19 side and see that not
even there the sec has contributed more than 50% of the “pdi” players.
so where is this huge contribution?
31 Jan 2006, 07:30 am
***">Jondood.dumbphuck@gayeskimo.***
31 Jan 2006, 07:31 am
Tackler,
No country to call home and momories of a certain chicken run ?
31 Jan 2006, 07:34 am
sorry mate, can’t share your optimism that this team will fare any better than the current teams. and it can actually get worse….being hammered 50+ points 12 out of 13 games would be worse. let’s wait and see how they go in the cc, but i doubt it if they will place better than 6.
and, yes, murdoch will tell them to piss off. it is a very competitive market and he won’t pay for sub-standard.
31 Jan 2006, 07:38 am
PA
It will take another year or so to get WP right, patience is what is required.
31 Jan 2006, 08:02 am
GCC
Let me put some things in perspective for you – take a look at our newest Super 14 franchise, the Cheetahs squad, in terms of development:
Floors – SWD 2004 Season
Fortuin – SWD 2005 Season
Dlomo – EP 2005 Season
van Heerden – EP 2005 Season
Sounds like development is going well in our newest Super 14 territory.
31 Jan 2006, 08:19 am
Peter , this is rugby , not pophuis ok. I don’t think you will do any beter , you going to loose all your games sorry
31 Jan 2006, 08:46 am
Easy as to why SEC is important to SA rugby.
Stats released on origin of players indicate that a massive 47% of the elite squad players (that is SARU’s top 150 professional players) are from SEC.
Now get it?
Oh. and fully 23&% of black players in SA are from SEC!
Uhm
Noit much more to add on why we should do our damned level best to ensure that this region is well and truly looked after. SEC is the cradle of black rugby in SA.
31 Jan 2006, 08:49 am
GCC,
the fact that most of our coloured or black rugby players comes from the SEC region is not thumbsucking – it is fact.
the reason that the players do not play for this region is very simple – the unions can’t afford them – they need money!
the bulls have budgeted R30Mil for 2006 on players salaries and bonusses for the Super 14 alone – forget the rest of the year.
to put this into perspective for you – unions like SWD, border, griffons, griquas, etc. have to survive on budgets of less than R5mil a year in the best case scenario’s.
this regions needs a sponsor full stop. can you imagine what these guys can do with R30mil? comparing this region and its players to our top unions is ignorant and unfair.
rugby is professional – players look after themselves and obviously goes to a union that offers them the better package. SARU with a sponsor need to give these guys a chance to keep their players in the union and region.
as mentioned above players like kabamba, fortuin and a host of others are simply poached from this area with higher paid packages, you cannot fault the players for doing so, but you can fault SARU and the general media spin we see every day.
one of the things hoskins mentioned that he would love to concentrate on is the spears region, to help the guys – which is more than that idiot clown BVR has done – his buddies that got kicked out of the unions in these regions (for fraud and theft amongst other things) ran to him for supportand they are threatening to sue the unions…..
structures need to be put in place to look after the smaller unions – naas botha mentioned this some time ago, SA rugby standards are getting poorer because the big unions rape and pilladge the small country cousins, something needs to be done.
it is easy to crit these okes saying they will never amount to anything – but level the playing field a bit and you will see a completely different story.
but i guess the old guard is so far up each others arses that they will do anything to prevent this from happening, even use the media to constantly put this area in a bad light.
has anyone ever gone as far as reading local newspapers from the area, papers like the daily dispatch? they are online too – you will get a completely different perspective on things and media reports that contradicts most of the bullshit we see in the mainstream web-sites and newspapers. now it is not a case of who is right or wrong – but suddenly you – as supporter starts asking questions and believe me, the powers that be ignores you most of the time if you try and get clarity.
other guys that knows the area quite well can probably list all the players this region has lost over the years – now ask yourself, if the playing fields were level, where administrators actually helped and developed this area to assist them in keeping these players – do you reckon they would be competitive? or the walk overs they are branded as today?
stop believing everything you read and look at the bigger picture
31 Jan 2006, 08:58 am
Never let the truth stand in the way of a good story:
“Asked about an allegation on former Springbok spokesperson Mark Keohane’s website that Pretorius said he was being framed, the Springbok said he never said he was “framed”, as had been alleged”
31 Jan 2006, 09:00 am
Pieter
You must remember, you are not coaching schollboy rugby anymore. Wake up and smell the blood.
I have to agree with him on one thing though. The Province talent seekers don’t know a thing. They have lost more talent than I can count.
31 Jan 2006, 09:12 am
kevinw
i doublt it if the cheetahs ever claimed that they were doing the best at transformation. all i’m saying is that in the current springbok set-up and the current u19 sa side, the sec’s claim doesn’t stack up. it seems like the bulls are even showing them up on the numbers.
now i haven’t seen the elite squad, but i know ashwell rafferty was part of the squad a few years ago and he never really made it anywhere.
31 Jan 2006, 09:13 am
Luke Watson, as well as Solly T is also from ECape. The Bulls winger, Ndungane too. Isnt Pedrie Wannenberg from ECape? George or somewhere?
31 Jan 2006, 09:15 am
I actually feel sorry for this De Villiers bloke, he has proven himself in the junior ranks as an excellent coach and I’m sure he can become a great coach at the top level. BUT like in the case of Bafana Bafana, you can have the best coach in the world and it will mean twot, if the players are kak the team will be kak, fullstop.
31 Jan 2006, 09:23 am
Hey Redcard – pleasemail me the URl of that News 24 story please – thanks
31 Jan 2006, 09:51 am
and visa versa.
31 Jan 2006, 10:14 am
PissAnt,
The is another perspective to take into account as well, a lot of the school boy rugby players that have great potential stop their rugby careers after leaving school because of the lack of structure in the SEC region, particularly EC.
If think that if the Spears become a success story you will see more of these types of players staying around a bit longer. Which can only be a good thing.
That all being said, I do have small problem with the relegation system and that is if, hypothetically speaking, the SA Teams all finish in the top 4 then the last one will still get relegated, which is a bit harsh. I wonder if it would be possible to add a clause something to the extent of the last SA team not in the top 10 or such like.
31 Jan 2006, 10:38 am
ollie,
i am totally against the relegation system.
i have said it many times before – yet again SARU – due to political or whatever pressure managed to stuff a potentially good situation up.
yes implement a ‘type’ of relegation system. but not a S14 relegation system. this must happen at CC level, our best 4 or 5 teams should represent our country in the S14.
the spears might not have made it this year, but they would surely have build up a little fortress by the end of 2007 to compete effectively in teh CC where the top 5 teams goes through to represent us in the S14?
it would have given them time to put proper structures in place, de villiers to build up a competitive squad – enough time to sign up a propers sponsor and put strucuters in place.
but due to issues that pressurized ‘quick’ change it all went for a ball of **** again. trying to make everyone happy.
within those 2 years SARU could have helped by financially backing these guys too.
i just get irritated when people write this area off as being useless and no good because of the emotion created in the media regarding this whole thing.
yes the system is flawed, but we need to ensure these guys get up to a level where they can compete, bitching and moaning is not going to help anyone in any way
31 Jan 2006, 10:47 am
PissAnt,
I can go with most of that, and if I look at your last comment (89) you are indirectly putting a relegation system onto the Super 14, but at the CC level.
I think that the relegation axe hanging over a teams head forces them to perform better or give somebody else a chance. It will stop the **** of SA teams fighting for last place on the log
I also agree that PdV needs a little more time as he has now been thrown in the deep end in a big way. Politics and Sport don’t mix. Just wish the Big Deals at the top would realise that and stop all there s$*t.
31 Jan 2006, 10:50 am
amen ollie.
putting the relegation system into the S14 is a timebomb and it is going to cause a lot of **** and the spears will always be looked at as the negative force in SA rugby because of that.
31 Jan 2006, 11:54 am
Scoreboard, Mr De Villiers. Scoreboard.
31 Jan 2006, 11:59 am
inspirational post that.
bulls v stormers
74 – 14
full team / not 14 players
super 12 match
not practice match
stacked with springboks
stormers should be relegated before the S14 starts then…
31 Jan 2006, 12:31 pm
Pierre,
I think you are being a bit mistaken if you think that only the scoreboard counts on a Super 14 warm up match. Or maybe you would prefer to have a look at positions 10, 11 & 12 in last years log.
Look at the bigger picture, I know it is a bit frightening but I know you can do it.
31 Jan 2006, 12:58 pm
Ollie, where is your petulant hostility coming from? Keep it focussed, dude.
No-one is saying that the Stormers aren’t kak. I am a Stormers fan, and I am well aware that they have a good chance of being relegated this year. In short, they are sucking badly.
All I’m saying is that De Villiers isn’t doing himself or his team any favours by turning them into the whining cry-baby losers of the Super 14 before they’ve even entered the competition.
31 Jan 2006, 13:36 pm
Pierre,
Not hostility dude, just frustration at seing all the kak that PdV has to put up with from administrators, internal politics, fans etc. etc.
Obviously the lad needs to blow some steam off.
It just seems that everybody is a critic. It’s like everybody expects him to produce a champ team in a few weeks.
And then the Stormers come along with their ****. I really feel for the guy, he didn’t decide on the relegation policy.
No hard feelings
31 Jan 2006, 18:49 pm
I am wishing the Spears every success.
1 Feb 2006, 00:15 am
i don’t agree with the majority of gavin rich’s articles, but the latest one on supersport is spot-on. pdv says he is building the team over a three year period; now that will be just in time for the spears to be relegated again. rather let the squad develop in the cc over the next two to three years and then give them a go.
all very well that they should “sign a star here and there and they’ll be all right”, but their ceo, tony mckeever went on record saying he doesn’t want the players of the team that gets relegated. he asked the question why he would want players that couldn’t do the job in the first place (off course forgetting that even if a sa team finishes within the top 5, they can still be relegated). he went on to state how visionless the current sa s14 coaches are.
therefore, if they want to do it on their own, (they won’t be able to do it within twelve months, i can guarantee you that) let them do it over three years in the cc.
1 Feb 2006, 02:36 am
Embarrassing allround…..
There is a reason most of these “superstars” that were originally from the SEC/EC leave the place…its a complete dump…
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