But they must NOT expect their employers to PAY for their campaign.

They are marvellously wealthy wage-earners. They ought to pay for their campaigns out of their own pockets. And when they DO stump up their own hard-earned cash, they have a right to expect that it will not be wasted on complete rubbish like “transformation workshops” and sundry other such nonsense.

It is important that any union has the right to generate funds in order to help their members.

When COSATU, NUM etc or ASLEF, RMT, UNISON in the UK need to generate money or meet, they have the cooperation of their employers. Plus believe me, these unions are far more radical in their struggle against the nasty ‘landowner capatalists class’.

I’m also dissapointed is some of the comments above. A lot of the problems we have in SA Rugby (particularly players playing too much) has a lot to do with our players have no say in the running of the game.

We are also at unique point in the games evolution where most of the administrators are players from the ameteur era, so they have an inherent mistrust (some may say dislike) of the modern professional player!

Keo is a big fan of Rian Oberholzer but he should have sorted it out when he was in charge (Mallett would never have been fired) and several arseholes who made an appearance in the running of our game wouldn’t have appeared either!

Firstly, the stadium is not owned by SARU but by the provincial union concerned. They are paid out of the gate for the match. The fee is a std fee for all games, wheather the stadium is full or not. SARPA will enter into negotiations with the province for use of the stadium. NO SARU INVOLVEMENT AT ALL.

Secondly all the test players are members of SARU and SARPA as are all proffesional players in SA. It is obvious that SARPA will ask SARU if the players may play… The fact that SARPA packaged the game as a bok preperation game of higher quality that Uruguay for example and that SARU agreed to it is a credit to both oprganisations.

The question you need to ask is if SARU are paying the match fees of the boks? I dont think so which is why no test caps are being given. Common sense.

Lastly it is also my opinion that the fees of the world 15 are being paid from proceeds from the game and that the boks if they are not going to waive their fees in the intrests of all proffesional players in SA will also be paid a match fee by SARPA and not SARU.

So, where is the alleged SARU financial involvment?

“Computer and fiancial skills, transformation workshops, training of provincial representatives..”

How on earth are you going to teach those skills to our players ? Most of them cannot even do their current job, to play rugby, properly !

Week after week, month after month, year after year they are taught: Catch the ball, pass the ball, make a tackle. Do you think our players could muster this ? No way ! If it takes sooo long just to drill basic rugby principles into them, how long is it going to take to drill computer and financial skills into the Cats and Stormers teams ?

Unfortunately the manner in which the affected Falcons players were dealt with is not in line with the applicable labour legislation. The CEO of the Falcons who dealt with these cases has since left under a dark cloud.

During the latter part of 2005 the Falcons ran into massive cash flow problems and the players only got paid in December for their November salaries. SARPA played a big role in ensuring this was sorted out with an advance form SA Rugby.

It appears the Falcons looked at every opportunity to save money.

SARPA gave the the Falcons ample opporunity to rectify their mistakes but to no avail.

Therefore these disputes had to be escalated and a third party will now decide if they acted fairly.

There is no cost to SA Rugby for this match. SARPA pays Ellis Park for the hire of the stadium, marketing, security, etc.

You are right a match of this magnatuded takes a lot of effort and time to organise and luckily the cost for all of this is covered by the match income. After all the costs are paid the nett profit is spilt 70 / 30 with SA Rugby.

Why don’t they feel they should pay?

Also…..the players “technically” may be funding themselves as they are “technically” working for free that day.

But,isn’t it SARU who gives them permission to play,provides a Stadium,medical service,parking attendants,etc,etc,etc….
A test match is not just a case of the players showing up is it?

So the employer actual gets money from the employees! The players would rather play in one match than have to participate in 20 golf days and dinners to generate funding for SARPA.

A few years ago NUMSA build a mercedes benz for Nelson Mandela by working overtime at the mercedes plant in East Londen. This is a similar principle. There is no cost to SA Rugby for the Boks to play in this match.

In the past these warm up matches actually costed SA Rugby money because people do not want to pay top dollar to watch teams like Samoa and Uruguay.

Naas’s reaction is also now better understood as the Falcons where he is a director is being taken to arbitration by SARPA for non payment of the SA 7′s captain salary for 6 months whilst he was injured. The Falcons also terminated the contract of two other players in an unfair manner and this is being challenged by SARPA.

I, Hoskins, am the employer.

They, SARPA, are the workers.

Let the workers finance their own hallelujah chorus.

Goeie voorstel!

Bwaaahahahaha!

please do. and if a player pulls the same ‘fake’, he should be disciplined by SARPA.

I must also secong Tacklers question……what the hell is a transformation workshop?

Also, if rugby players are mature enough to demand million rand salaries,etc…..surely they are mature enough to organize themselves? They are afterall old enough to drive Mercs, own coffeeshops and houses,etc.

I’m all for looking after our assets/players in the game but I’m also all for our players growing up a little and taking accountability.
If I where SARU, the only way I would have afforded such generosity to the SARPU would be if they could gaurentee better results from my workers/players. And like unions in every avenue of business…..they are never able to do this.

If I where Hoskins, starting fresh and with a clean slate….I’d finance SARPA for the next 5 years.I’d however want to see results for my money.I’d want to see better proffessional ettiquette from our players and better results on the field.(Likewise,the general coaching structure and Director of rugby would be responsible for the technical aspects of coaching). I’d want the players to be held accountable for their own fitness/eating habits off field and weighed regularly with fines and possible dismissal for continued offenders…….backed by the Union.

Being a players union is fine, but if me, the employer(SARU) am subsidizing the entire shebang…….it is my union as well and I’d want to know what they plan on doing when productivity is low,results are poor and morale is wavering.

Give me Naas anyday.

Naas will drop kick you.