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	<title>Comments on: Finding Bok numbers 16 to 30</title>
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		<title>By: TheTackler</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2006/04/20/finding-bok-numbers-16-to-30/#comment-55992</link>
		<dc:creator>TheTackler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 22:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And the coaches cannot be &quot;one-trick ponies&quot;.  During the off-season they have to work out NEW moves and strategies that the opposition has not worked out the counter to. Now that the Oz and NZ coaches have worked out that a flat grubber kick and chase counters Jake White&#039;s excellent &quot;rush defence&quot;, has Jake worked out a second trick to stay ahead of the game?  He won the 3N (albeit on bonus points only) at his first attempt, but a year later he had to hand over the silverware back to NZ (again, only on bonus points, to be fair).

But Graham Henry has taken THREE full test teams  not for a tame little hit around against Italy or  Romania, but for a Grand Slam end-of-season tour when his men were all clapped out after whitewashing the British Lions and then wrapping up the 3N with only one defeat in the whole season.

All three of those Grand Slam teams won their tests and accomplished the grand slam mission, including putting England away at Twickenham.

And this is two years out from the Rugby World Cup --- now that speaks of proper planning.  Not &quot;resting&quot; your key players and handing a full test jersey a bunch of aspirant second-raters who are out of their depth and cock it all up and lose their &quot;gimme&quot; test and so blight the jersey they wear!

PROPER planning means you don&#039;t concede test defeats. Not under ANY circumstances. You might not win each test by massive margins by carefully blooding new test players, but you do not, ever, plan to &quot;build a team&quot; if it involves losing tests on the indelible permanent record.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the coaches cannot be &#8220;one-trick ponies&#8221;.  During the off-season they have to work out NEW moves and strategies that the opposition has not worked out the counter to. Now that the Oz and NZ coaches have worked out that a flat grubber kick and chase counters Jake White&#8217;s excellent &#8220;rush defence&#8221;, has Jake worked out a second trick to stay ahead of the game?  He won the 3N (albeit on bonus points only) at his first attempt, but a year later he had to hand over the silverware back to NZ (again, only on bonus points, to be fair).</p>
<p>But Graham Henry has taken THREE full test teams  not for a tame little hit around against Italy or  Romania, but for a Grand Slam end-of-season tour when his men were all clapped out after whitewashing the British Lions and then wrapping up the 3N with only one defeat in the whole season.</p>
<p>All three of those Grand Slam teams won their tests and accomplished the grand slam mission, including putting England away at Twickenham.</p>
<p>And this is two years out from the Rugby World Cup &#8212; now that speaks of proper planning.  Not &#8220;resting&#8221; your key players and handing a full test jersey a bunch of aspirant second-raters who are out of their depth and <acronym title="Keep it clean!">****</acronym> it all up and lose their &#8220;gimme&#8221; test and so blight the jersey they wear!</p>
<p>PROPER planning means you don&#8217;t concede test defeats. Not under ANY circumstances. You might not win each test by massive margins by carefully blooding new test players, but you do not, ever, plan to &#8220;build a team&#8221; if it involves losing tests on the indelible permanent record.</p>
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		<title>By: Futurebok</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2006/04/20/finding-bok-numbers-16-to-30/#comment-55916</link>
		<dc:creator>Futurebok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mclaren, Youre an idiot!!!

how can you tell me that young ruan pienaar is better then the experienced and skiller ricky janurie, or that Jaco is better then percy. or that Schalk is better then Smit, we need a captain. i&#039;ll reserve my opinion on this matter
but maclaren is an ass.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mclaren, Youre an idiot!!!</p>
<p>how can you tell me that young ruan pienaar is better then the experienced and skiller ricky janurie, or that Jaco is better then percy. or that Schalk is better then Smit, we need a captain. i&#8217;ll reserve my opinion on this matter<br />
but maclaren is an <acronym title="Keep it clean!">***</acronym>.</p>
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		<title>By: cab</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2006/04/20/finding-bok-numbers-16-to-30/#comment-55908</link>
		<dc:creator>cab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[yip, luckily thats why Jake has been accused of a preoccupation with size and why the sharks are doing so well with Ackerman at 4, a monster scummer at 3 in BJ and AJ the old enforcer in the backrow.  luckily indeed.

dont got me wrong i like the fancy stuff to, and the sharks are playing great rugby.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yip, luckily thats why Jake has been accused of a preoccupation with size and why the sharks are doing so well with Ackerman at 4, a monster scummer at 3 in BJ and AJ the old enforcer in the backrow.  luckily indeed.</p>
<p>dont got me wrong i like the fancy stuff to, and the sharks are playing great rugby.</p>
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		<title>By: davo</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2006/04/20/finding-bok-numbers-16-to-30/#comment-55881</link>
		<dc:creator>davo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[CAB, post no 129: &quot;time warp my ass, take the blinkers off yourself Davo.&quot;

nice rebuttal.

thankfully for SA Rugby, dickie muir and Jake (to a lesser extent) aren&#039;t as introspective.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CAB, post no 129: &#8220;time warp my <acronym title="Keep it clean!">***</acronym>, take the blinkers off yourself Davo.&#8221;</p>
<p>nice rebuttal.</p>
<p>thankfully for SA Rugby, dickie muir and Jake (to a lesser extent) aren&#8217;t as introspective.</p>
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		<title>By: wicked wugby wascal</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2006/04/20/finding-bok-numbers-16-to-30/#comment-55636</link>
		<dc:creator>wicked wugby wascal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree about the &quot;dumb SA players&quot; point.  When a Kiwi youngster enjoys his rugby, he keeps playing and can make  decent living off it - even playing club rugby (hell, even bartenders earna decent wage there). And when his ten year career is finished, he can earn a decent wage as a salesman/bartender/etc. 

BUT If a SA youngster decides to go the rugby route, he can&#039;t make a decent living off club rugby (and then his career is only ten years). He must be the best in  the province or live like a pauper.  And when his rugby career is over he must have made millions to be able to retire or buy a business, or become a salesman and move to the townships.

The net result is that when a clever SA youngster who can play is faced with the choice: Rugby or University, there is realy only one choice.  Rugby (and perhaps coaching too?) is then left to those not-so-sharp knives with bulging muscles in the box to see if they can eke a living out of it.  Only very few of our professional ruby players nowadays can claim to have degrees, or even be capable of getting them.  In the old days of amauteur rugby, the doctors and lawyers played Bok rugby in their spare time for fun.  This is not possible  nowdays because of the time and conditionng required.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree about the &#8220;dumb SA players&#8221; point.  When a Kiwi youngster enjoys his rugby, he keeps playing and can make  decent living off it &#8211; even playing club rugby (hell, even bartenders earna decent wage there). And when his ten year career is finished, he can earn a decent wage as a salesman/bartender/etc. </p>
<p>BUT If a SA youngster decides to go the rugby route, he can&#8217;t make a decent living off club rugby (and then his career is only ten years). He must be the best in  the province or live like a pauper.  And when his rugby career is over he must have made millions to be able to retire or buy a business, or become a salesman and move to the townships.</p>
<p>The net result is that when a clever SA youngster who can play is faced with the choice: Rugby or University, there is realy only one choice.  Rugby (and perhaps coaching too?) is then left to those not-so-sharp knives with bulging muscles in the box to see if they can eke a living out of it.  Only very few of our professional ruby players nowadays can claim to have degrees, or even be capable of getting them.  In the old days of amauteur rugby, the doctors and lawyers played Bok rugby in their spare time for fun.  This is not possible  nowdays because of the time and conditionng required.</p>
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		<title>By: CoffeeshopBok;-)</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2006/04/20/finding-bok-numbers-16-to-30/#comment-55623</link>
		<dc:creator>CoffeeshopBok;-)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[hee-hee]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hee-hee</p>
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		<title>By: cab</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2006/04/20/finding-bok-numbers-16-to-30/#comment-55608</link>
		<dc:creator>cab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[that right coffee, the old time warp chestnut, tad patronising, up their bum.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that right coffee, the old time warp chestnut, tad patronising, up their bum.</p>
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		<title>By: Quinntessential</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2006/04/20/finding-bok-numbers-16-to-30/#comment-55603</link>
		<dc:creator>Quinntessential</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Langman

Sorry man I have been working up a storm]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Langman</p>
<p>Sorry man I have been working up a storm</p>
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		<title>By: CoffeeshopBok;-)</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2006/04/20/finding-bok-numbers-16-to-30/#comment-55588</link>
		<dc:creator>CoffeeshopBok;-)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[and all together now..LETS DO THE TIME WARP AGAIN! yea rockin mate.

is it friday yet...this is ridiculous it sure as noodle doesn&#039;t feel like a 4 day week.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and all together now..LETS DO THE TIME WARP AGAIN! yea rockin mate.</p>
<p>is it friday yet&#8230;this is ridiculous it sure as noodle doesn&#8217;t feel like a 4 day week.</p>
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		<title>By: CoffeeshopBok;-)</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2006/04/20/finding-bok-numbers-16-to-30/#comment-55582</link>
		<dc:creator>CoffeeshopBok;-)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[...it&#039;s just a step...to the left...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;it&#8217;s just a step&#8230;to the left&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Langman</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2006/04/20/finding-bok-numbers-16-to-30/#comment-55580</link>
		<dc:creator>Langman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m pissed off!!!

We haven&#039;t had a single article since 7am...

What the fuck is going on?!!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m pissed off!!!</p>
<p>We haven&#8217;t had a single article since 7am&#8230;</p>
<p>What the <acronym title="Keep it clean!">****</acronym> is going on?!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: cab</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2006/04/20/finding-bok-numbers-16-to-30/#comment-55578</link>
		<dc:creator>cab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[yes coffee]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes coffee</p>
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		<title>By: CoffeeshopBok;-)</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2006/04/20/finding-bok-numbers-16-to-30/#comment-55576</link>
		<dc:creator>CoffeeshopBok;-)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[TAXI !]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TAXI !</p>
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		<title>By: kiwi</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2006/04/20/finding-bok-numbers-16-to-30/#comment-55575</link>
		<dc:creator>kiwi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wouldn&#039;t bag the Aussie locks. Sharpe, Vickerman, Chisholm, etc.. can hold their own against anyone.

They have no shortage of real quality loosies either. Smith&#039;s a master. Lyons is a great No.8.

And their backs? Gregan, Larkham, Giteau, Mortlock, Tuqiri... As good or better than any team in the world.

Only two things missing - a front row and DEPTH.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t bag the Aussie locks. Sharpe, Vickerman, Chisholm, etc.. can hold their own against anyone.</p>
<p>They have no shortage of real quality loosies either. Smith&#8217;s a master. Lyons is a great No.8.</p>
<p>And their backs? Gregan, Larkham, Giteau, Mortlock, Tuqiri&#8230; As good or better than any team in the world.</p>
<p>Only two things missing &#8211; a front row and DEPTH.</p>
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		<title>By: Langman</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2006/04/20/finding-bok-numbers-16-to-30/#comment-55573</link>
		<dc:creator>Langman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Quin!!!

Where you been mate?!!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quin!!!</p>
<p>Where you been mate?!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: cab</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2006/04/20/finding-bok-numbers-16-to-30/#comment-55572</link>
		<dc:creator>cab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[StM, 

if you read any of this, you&#039;ve still got a shit team.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>StM, </p>
<p>if you read any of this, you&#8217;ve still got a <acronym title="Keep it clean!">****</acronym> team.</p>
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		<title>By: Quinntessential</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2006/04/20/finding-bok-numbers-16-to-30/#comment-55571</link>
		<dc:creator>Quinntessential</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bones, bones, bones, bones, bones, bones, bones, bones, bones, bones, bones!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bones, bones, bones, bones, bones, bones, bones, bones, bones, bones, bones!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: cab</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2006/04/20/finding-bok-numbers-16-to-30/#comment-55570</link>
		<dc:creator>cab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[time warp my ass, take the blinkers off yourself Davo.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>time warp my <acronym title="Keep it clean!">***</acronym>, take the blinkers off yourself Davo.</p>
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		<title>By: cab</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2006/04/20/finding-bok-numbers-16-to-30/#comment-55568</link>
		<dc:creator>cab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[cheers Delek,

McCaw is a superb player, close to one of the best of all-time, amazingly refined and modern player, massive difference to any team, but we simply do not have a player like McCaw.

We have Schalk Burger, what he lacks in refinement he makes up for in guts, workrate and physicality.  Different styles.  Its not stupid rugby and we fielded a pretty decent national team for the last 2 years.  What would be stupid is to try and change to a playing strategy to a style that is counter-intuitive to our talents.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cheers Delek,</p>
<p>McCaw is a superb player, close to one of the best of all-time, amazingly refined and modern player, massive difference to any team, but we simply do not have a player like McCaw.</p>
<p>We have Schalk Burger, what he lacks in refinement he makes up for in guts, workrate and physicality.  Different styles.  Its not stupid rugby and we fielded a pretty decent national team for the last 2 years.  What would be stupid is to try and change to a playing strategy to a style that is counter-intuitive to our talents.</p>
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		<title>By: Delek</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2006/04/20/finding-bok-numbers-16-to-30/#comment-55565</link>
		<dc:creator>Delek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry it&#039;s late here. Bed is calling. Look forward to continuing the debate soon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry it&#8217;s late here. Bed is calling. Look forward to continuing the debate soon.</p>
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