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• 51.bluebarb:
  25 Apr 2006, 13:05 pm

  Extract from kiwi site whingeing about our refs-
  makes for interesting reading….

  The Canes had Lawrence in the game today (Hurricanes v Brumbies) demonstrate the Boer refs inability to ref a game straight.
  Every game that an Aussie team plays we see their players coming in from all angles at the breakdowns, rucks and mauls and their players shove their hands in rucks to win the ball (not tacklers who have already had their hands on the ball a la McCaw and Masoe, but late arriving players) the ******* incompetent Boer refs let them get away with it almost with impunity, yet penalise the Kiwi teams for the exact same thing, the inconsistencies are more than infuriating, they make me want to hit the ***** which is an awful lot of getting pissed off for me.

  this guy sounds upset…

• 52.yoda:
  25 Apr 2006, 13:06 pm

  provvas

  manuals is n doos en sal seker nooit vergewe word nie

  stormers moes beter gedoen het en dis hoekom almal so negatief is oor hulle. die bulle, sharks, cheetahs het ook almal games in die laaste minute verloor. En almal behoort regtig teleurgesteld en bekommerd te wees oor hoekom dit gebeur het. die log kon baie anners gelyk het as ons spanne nie so verloor het nie

• 53.Provvas:
  25 Apr 2006, 13:09 pm

  NZ

  The saders will keep it tight i thibk, scoring from set pieces….bringing the ball wide as dan the man usually do. That will force the bulls to open things up to get points on the board…only digging their own grave as this will make the Saders even more dangerous…..

  That is how i see it. If it rains….best man win….

• 54.yoda:
  25 Apr 2006, 13:10 pm

  bluebarb

  i like it, thats how these fuckers have been treating us for years

• 55.NZMaori:
  25 Apr 2006, 13:11 pm

  David.

  When i woke up to the chiefs loss 2 da Cats i was positive Ian Foster couldnt coach a team. However the 2nd half penalty count was 13-0 against us.

  Having said that its all academic when the semi final kicks off. Its all about who is in form. If the Chiefs do happen to make it then they will have to have shown sublime form…and that would put them in good stead for the semis.

  The Blues are gone. They wont beat us in round 14. No chance

• 56.cane:
  25 Apr 2006, 13:15 pm

  NZ Maori,
  Not fading Bro, just catching our breath.—-”The gulp before the plunge”(Sorry Tolkien, promise I’ll never stell another line).

  Davidsp,
  Ma Nonu is just pacing himself. It’s getting down to the business end now. Time to step up.
  But before you can step up you have to position yourself——We Canes are useed to disappointment.

  This could be the hour.

• 57.NZMaori:
  25 Apr 2006, 13:16 pm

  Provass i cannot fault your opinion, you will have watched more of the Bulls than me. I have the respect of all Japie sides at home thou. If the Bulls come out pumped and get two quick tries in the first 15 then its game on. If the Saders are up 10-3 after 15 then it will be too tuff.

  Bulls can score Lucky, crazy, and sometimes freakish tries. They seem far better at fluking the try than actually constructing it. Thats the hardest style to defend on its day

• 58.Provvas:
  25 Apr 2006, 13:18 pm

  Yoda,

  I still believe it was no try, but I also believe they made a f@ck up of the situation. You actually point out the problem around the Manuels decision: We lost so many games in the finla minutes = If the try was given and converted, the Canes would have needed 7 points more to win. They defended their lead the last 7 minutes or so…winning the game closely. Did they need 7 more points, they would have attacked more tried more and (going on our teams losing it in the last minutes) probably got the points…which would still have left a narrow defeat to the bulls….there was so much time left AFTER the decision we can only speculate what would have happened. (Wasnt the bulls in front with eight…surely enough to not make one decision count) I remember it about 14 minutes left after that…so the canes could have scored another 3 times if they neede to……well never know..

• 59.yoda:
  25 Apr 2006, 13:23 pm

  mometum provvas, you’re not putting that into you’re equation. dont want to start on the subject again but how was it not a try? various refs said after the game that the try should of been awarded…

• 60.cane:
  25 Apr 2006, 13:24 pm

  Bluebarb—post 51.
  Substitute the words “kiwi” for “Saffa”.
  And Saffa for “Ozzie”.

  Well lay me down and give me a good hard shagging but you could be on Keo.co.

• 61.Provvas:
  25 Apr 2006, 13:24 pm

  NZ,
  I understand where you coming from, but I think the Saders are too of a class side to let this happen…..they score such worked tries that it will break the Bulls should this happen in the first minutes…If the bulls get to score say 15 – 3 quickly, it will leave the Saders lots of time to come back. like h le roux stated…they are Anacondas which just squeezes the life out of a teams….swallowing them in the last 15 minutes….

  And their quality is of such sort they will not let 2/3 lucky tries go through….seriously doubt that

• 62.yoda:
  25 Apr 2006, 13:28 pm

  cane

  we hate your refs just as much as the ausies dude, no need substituting saffa for ozzie

• 63.yoda:
  25 Apr 2006, 13:29 pm

  NZ

  may your prediction on the game come true

• 64.yoda:
  25 Apr 2006, 13:31 pm

  cane,

  o sorry didnt finish sentence…

  … you can substitute saffa for nz

• 65.cane:
  25 Apr 2006, 13:35 pm

  Thanks Yoda,
  Point taken, I’m a very slow typist and an even slower thinker, so if in future I can lump all Antipeans together it will save us all time.

  The problem however is we are loath to be associated with our convict cousins. It’s a Big brother Little Brother thing.

• 66.Provvas:
  25 Apr 2006, 13:36 pm

  yoda,
  In my opinion, as wrong as it may be, I have three reasons to believe it was no try:
  1. It seemed that he knocked it on with his elbows (waving at the crowd too soon?) which constitute a knock.
  2. he scored the try with the lower part of his torso and not “the zone” needed as per the rulebook.
  3. Here i’m maybe wrong/unclear to the rules: he had no control over the ball and didnt ground it with control (i believe some rule state you only need to apply downward pressure. but is that apllicable to the torso rule, the having it in possesion and grounding it/ which brings the knock on into effect or what?

  So too many question for me, but in this instance I believe a 5 metre scrum would have been fair.

  Lastly, ndugane scored a trie very early in this same game at which he also didnt catch the ball properly and dived onto it, waving at the crowd a bit too soon for my comfort….so getting penalised for it here was maybe some blessing for the future…. A canes player(Cant remember who) scored a try in this same game clearly concentrating on pressing with his hands on the ball which resultied in a instant try from the TMO. It was clear! (Like the one from Nokwe this weekend)

  heini Adams went on to make the same mistake against the blues…he could have scored a try and fumbled it in the same manner as ndungane…..maybe something HM should have talked to them on how to attain these skills…

• 67.Provvas:
  25 Apr 2006, 13:39 pm

  PS sorry for poor spelling…

• 68.DavidSp:
  25 Apr 2006, 13:42 pm

  Okay

  So do you guys agree that the Canty mob have just about outlived their “invincible tag”

  My thoughts are that the Force showed that Mauger is actually not as good a defender as what the Saders would have everyone believe.

  In the semis you guys would want to hit that #12 channel as hard as Scot Staniforth did and that’ll crack the Saders wide open.

  NZ and Canes

  Predict me a Kiwi #12 this season?

  Do you reckon Mauger has done enough?

• 69.DavidSp:
  25 Apr 2006, 13:43 pm

  I also reckon David Nucifora’s experiment with McAllister at #12 has failed

• 70.Blouste:
  25 Apr 2006, 13:46 pm

  Provvas

  I agree, the saders are a class side, but did you watch the game against the Bulls last year.

  Anything can happen bru…..

• 71.DavidSp:
  25 Apr 2006, 13:48 pm

  Another issue

  Rate your scrumhalves.

  I don’t reckon anybody’s stood up and screamed at the cartel for selection. The Senios have been uniformly workmanlike and let’s be horribly honest.

  Neither Piri Weepu or Byron Kelleher have done anything worthwhile.

  Maybe you should ask Marshall to come back….

• 72.Provvas:
  25 Apr 2006, 13:50 pm

  Blouste,
  Last year have one word for them: Complacency!
  they thought they will win by only showing up…and the Bulls demand more respect than that!!

• 73.DavidSp:
  25 Apr 2006, 13:50 pm

  Blouste

  The Saders don’t like altitude bro.

  Last year even the Cats were within a single last gasp penalty of the upset on the scale of what the Force almost accomplished on the weekend at Ellispark.

  But once you get to Jade Stasium, very little can stop the Saders.

  The only SA side to have won there in the modern regional era is the Cats who one a round robin there in 2001.

  Of course with Rassie, Bobby Skinstead and Andre Venter as loosies.

• 74.cane:
  25 Apr 2006, 14:03 pm

  Davidsp,
  Hit any channel you like buddy.
  Mauger or Nonu, either will do me, however I think Henry will go with Mauger. Nonu on the bench.
  \

  P.S. None of our Teams likes Altitude— thats why they stay as long as possible at sea level. It’s the “new” theory as the best approach.

• 75.NZMaori:
  25 Apr 2006, 14:10 pm

  haha cane – i woz wondering if anyone would bring the altitude thing up. I believe these japies are right and thats a bullshit excuse for Pretoria being the Pits. Sounds worse than Hamilton.

• 76.Blouste:
  25 Apr 2006, 14:11 pm

  So what is your prediction for the game cane?

• 77.sarky:
  25 Apr 2006, 14:19 pm

  Crusaders are not that likely to drop a game, nor the Waratahs. The other teams may slip and slide a bit though.

  The Cats could claim a turnaround if the finish 9th and keep Ludicrous on for another Titanic year in 2007.

• 78.NZMaori:
  25 Apr 2006, 14:24 pm

  David SP

  you raise interesting questions.

  At halfback we are sweet. Piri and Byron are both passionate players and the test arena brings the best out in them. Byron is a nutcase no doubt about it but he always produces his best in black. his last full game woz the blinder he had against France. the AB pack and the Chiefs pack are a wee different also.

  2nd 5.
  Mate im not a Mauger fan. Never have been. But Henry picks horses for courses. He has a good boot and a good brain but his defence is weak. Up to it thou and has past record to boot.
  I like Nonu. Needs grooming or maturing but has the talent for sure. Also ??? over his defence at times aswell, but not the type of front on defence Mauger struggles with and is imperitive in the centres.

  Tuitupo is solid but hasnt got back to his best and Its such a shame about Rua Tipoki. He’s a bloody good player but he lets himself down. he had All Black written all over him last year in the NPC and this super 12 – tough barstid – mean tackler – elusive – but no boot thou. I dont condone his attitude thou. He has dug his own grave. waste of talent.

  No worries in our backline mate.

  Also McKallister is a 1st 5. he should be running the show is every team he plays. Carters understudy that could step up at any time as cover. He should do a John Preston in my opinion and learn halfback

• 79.bluebarb:
  25 Apr 2006, 14:25 pm

  I think a lot will depend on how the ruck & maul rules are blowed on the day. If the ref lets the game flow, i feel the Bulls might find themselves stretched a bit. That said, if their forwards can put a semi decent 80 min performance together, and keep things tight, we may finally see Habana and Ndungane get some decent ball. Esp if JvdW is playing first receiver. predict Spies will go very far still.

• 80.sarky:
  25 Apr 2006, 14:26 pm

  Biggest difference between the Crusaders and the SAFFA sides they’ll play is composure, composure and composure. I don’t think it’ll pay to rough them up either.

• 81.cane:
  25 Apr 2006, 14:36 pm

  The truth is this.———
  The Crusaders are through the the business end of the Comp.

  It’s the rest of the Hoi Polloi who have work to do.
  Including my beloved Canes.
  The Chiefies on the other hand NZ Maori are well Fukked.

• 82.NZMaori:
  25 Apr 2006, 14:47 pm

  cane you are a typical Wellington man. Supporting you team to the death. Im the same, but i also hapen to be a realist. its gona be tough without Lauaki for us and you guys need to find some form in a hurry or youll be gone…

  Your loosies were shown up by Brumbies, Piri has been out of sorts (mystery illness) and Tana played the worst ive seen in a while in Dunedin. As usual all the signs are there that point to your ‘plunge’ mate

• 83.cane:
  25 Apr 2006, 15:03 pm

  Nz Maori,
  Tjhe truth hurts bro—-go inflict it on some Saffa & leave me alone.

  Canes are third on the ladder and we’re staying there.

  P.S. If Canes cannot do it, to do it,if they cannot get to it. May it be the Chiefies that do it. And do it it style.

• 84.bokusa:
  25 Apr 2006, 18:06 pm

  Bottom line is given the remaining schedule,either the Sharks or Bulls have to win all three remaining games to have any shot of a semi. The Bulls record against the Sharks at home is 1 win in 4 games. The Bulls home record against the Crusaders is 2 wins in 4 games. This weekend will be the decider. Certainly makes for a great end to the season. Slim chances for both although the schedule favors the Sharks if they can beat the Bulls. Who would have thought?

• 85.TheTackler:
  26 Apr 2006, 07:22 am

  Whatever happens to the Bulls, one thing is clear — to get to 1st place they have to win both a semifinal AND the final Down Under.

  So far they have won three games Down Under in a whopping eleven years, and one of those three was won this year when they only just edged out the Western Force…

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