Comments on: Chiliboy is Jake’s Bok bolter

By: oink12

oink12 — Fri, 28 Apr 2006 07:24:54 +0000

hey. If Brits packs his bags.. He doesnt deserve to be a BOk!!

By: Tomsta

Tomsta — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 03:41:16 +0000

like jake has said, he will need to rotate his starting line up for this years test. this could mean that the top hookers get a break and young guys like britz and chilli get their chance, even if its off the bench. i dont think jake will shun someone,,i think he is just waiting for the rite moment.

imagine britz getting the call up a week before a test…that oke will be choming to get on the field to prove himself.

jake has to get the young okes involved now…because we will end up relying on them for 2007 world cup…it always happens.

By: CouchRugga

CouchRugga — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 00:41:22 +0000

Lower than Lo and Dumber than Dumb….

there are some who prowl this site for a political fight….they are in no way interested in Rugby and you will only notice their names when politics rears it’s ugly head!

By: Viper6

Viper6 — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 00:19:31 +0000

Lo you stupid wanker, do the Sharks have the national interest at heart when Tony Brown kicks for posts while Percy and Ruan sit by and watch?

By: Viper6

Viper6 — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 00:13:26 +0000

Oh and FutureBok have you seen where Graham Smith is today? I think he is mentally scarred for life.

By: Viper6

Viper6 — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 00:12:20 +0000

FutureBok. No doubt he is a prospect for the future but he is not ready yet (especially as a forward). Not to mention the other players like Botha or Brits will be shafted due to this decision.

Ps. If he is so great how come he is not playing for the Bulls this year?

By: CouchRugga

CouchRugga — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:27:15 +0000

Lo & dumb

By: Hobbo

Hobbo — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 20:36:10 +0000

Lo, please think before you send post. What coach in their right mind would play Chiliboy ahead of Gary Botha. Gary Botha is the only real contender when it comes to challenging John Smit as a player. I wish everyone would stop being so premature about this guy. Sure he’s got potential and he’s an exciting prospect, but he’s nowhere near international level yet. Players often shine at Junior level, don’t read to much into it. The jump from u21 level to international is big enough let alone from U19 level. Jake whether he admits it or not is under pressure from government and thus one of Jakes main priorities is seeking out young black talent to be groomed. He sees that there aren’t enough good black players around at senior level, so he’s decided to take matters into his own hands and make the young players good by grooming them early. Chiliboy won’t play against any of the top 5 teams this year and is simply being called to the camp cause Jake White sees a huge need to improve the quality of black players in the country. He has to pick them so why not make them good.

By: Bonobo

Bonobo — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 19:48:55 +0000

Yea fasttrack every talent ASAP, soon we’ll see 15 year olds playing S14, I think a large dose of perspective is in order here.
Can nobody see that for the 1st time in a long time here is a coach actually thinking ahead,as said a couple of times already on this thread he is pretty much detined to be a Great so be it.
It’s alot easier to see things as they are without emotion…i think

By: Lo

Lo — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 19:37:48 +0000

Stop moaning you racist pigs; if the bulls had a coach who had national interest at heart and who wasn’t a racist, Ralapele would have been the star of the S14 so far. Come on the Sharks, please do us all a favour.

By: windhond

windhond — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 19:01:52 +0000

HQ,

good squad, maybe try Dlulane for Tyibillika and one of the Ndugane twins insted of Paulse.
I also think that Snyman might be one of the wings and he was one of the best outside centres, who could forget his try against England, so that may be the cover that Jake needs.

By: Harlequin

Harlequin — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 18:51:12 +0000

Chilliboy is a great player. I think Heyneke Meyer has erred in keeping him out of the Bulls first team lineup. I think he is wrapping him up in cotton wool a bit, But also Chilliboy’s scrummaging isn’t the greatest and knowing the way the bulls play it is easy to see why they wouldn’t pick him.

There is no doubt that Chilliboy will be a legend one day if he isn’t injured. If I were the Bok coach I would have picked Chilliboy Ralapele, John Smit and Schalk Brits as the three hookers.

Jake White must realise that Britz running is not his only strength. He gets to the breakdown and turns over ball as well, he is fit and energetic and has a high work rate and he is not all flash. RE: his lineout, the Stormers have not had a better lineout in many a year then they do now, and I have seen Smit throw quite a few custard pies this year come lineout time.

My Springbok squad: assuming no injuries

Hookers:
Chilliboy Ralapele
Schalk Brits
John Smit

Tightheads:
BJ Botha
Jannie Du Plessis

Looseheads:
Os du Randt
Gurthro Steenkamp

Utility Prop:
CJ vd Linde

Enforcer locks:
Bakkies Botha
Johan Ackerman

Lineout locks:
Victor Matfield
Ross Skeate

Open siders:
Schalk Burger
Solly Tyibilika

Blind siders:
Juan Smith
Wikus v Heerden

8th men:
AJ Venter
Pedrie Wannenburg

Utility Forward:
Jacques Cronje

Scrummies:
Enrico Januarie
Ruan Peinaar
Fourie du Preez

Flyhalf:
Andre Pretorius
Jaco vd Westhuizen

Centres:
Jean de Villiers
Jacques Fourie
Trevor Halstead
Wayne Julies

Wings:
Bryan Habana
Breyton Paulse
JP Peterson

Fullbacks:
Percy Montgomery
Bevan Fortuin

By: windhond

windhond — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 18:31:08 +0000

Coming in when its all been said and done.

I think that this is same sort of situation as the Dlulane one, just blooding the guy.

Everyone knows of his potential and this not just as hooker but as Captain. The bulls have had Dlulane for two or three seasons and is only coming good now. Myself, I am quite impressed with Dlulane’s work rate, don’t miss a tackle but his ball sense is well nonsense, and his also built. Watching him reminds me of Betsen (the tackling part):-)

Leaving Chilliboy in the Cup side is good player management (surprise, surprise). I would like to think of it the same as what the Brumbies did for Rathbone.

Oh, and another thing, I wish that JW would just shut his trap, he talks to much, to bend a bible proverb ‘when words are many garbage is not far behind.’

By: CouchRugga

CouchRugga — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:45:22 +0000

Makes sense Jake, Chiliboy will be a big test name one day!

By: Onlooker

Onlooker — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:23:36 +0000

Don’t hold your breath munkiboi, if he will be available then JW will select him for the squad
I’d rather play him than Shimanga or Andrews,

By: munkiboi

munkiboi — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:01:11 +0000

Onlooker – who is Davids – and please dont say the fat lump from the WC debacle.

By: Onlooker

Onlooker — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:39:45 +0000

New Test season, same issue: the need to accomodate inadequate players in the Bok line up and STILL to win!
Habana who saved the season last year for JW might not be so lucky this year, coupled with the inability of the backs to produce tries consistantly and having the like of Sephaka/Shimanga/Solly/Dulane and possibly Davids on the bench may not help JW position , I also think he might face a losing season ahead

By: gecko

gecko — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:05:00 +0000

Pierre, Jake won’t start with Ruan, nor Chilli in TN. Chilli probably will be back playing Currie Cup then, having been given a taste against Scots.

So, for TN, JW will start with Januarie & Habana at least, and maybe some other winger. But I feel Ruan should be back-up to Januarie – sure to piss off some Bulls fan with that.

By: pierre

pierre — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:52:14 +0000

Os du Randt was also “written off” at one stage. Guthro will be back.

Gimp (247) – I think you answered your own question as to why it can’t happen. Way too many backs and too few forwards.

To be honest, I think Jake is going to struggle to meet his transformation requirements this year, what with Ruan pushing for a place on form ahead of Ricky and FdP. Though actually, on current form Bolla is also ahead of Ricky and FdP. Andrews’ form has dropped off since 2004, and he can’t realistically start a Tri-Nations Test. Solly has got lost in a massive heap of excellent loose forwards. Jantjes still has to get into the queue behind the great Percy. So who does that leave? Habanero, certainly. Julies, maybe. Breyton? And if it’s Breyton, then what happens to Jean (not that I care if he sits out for a while and learns to tackle)?

The cupboard’s a bit bare at the moment.

By: Onlooker

Onlooker — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 14:41:02 +0000

saffa_guy,
Guthro Steenkamp is the real deal at prop but he is a write off, didn’t last the distance unfortunately.
As opposed to Sephaka and Andrews, one must admires their self preservation at the meat grinder position of a prop.
The options for Chiliboy aa a Bok will be either on the eternal bench like Shimanga or turning into a heap of bones like Guthro, it’s either or!