Comments on: It’s up to the players http://keo.co.za/2006/05/12/its-up-to-the-players/ An independent look at South African rugby Wed, 19 Jun 2013 16:09:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: ddrek http://keo.co.za/2006/05/12/its-up-to-the-players/#comment-76670 ddrek Sat, 13 May 2006 07:57:04 +0000 http://www.keo.co.za/2006/05/12/its-up-to-the-players/#comment-76670 Pizza-nt
I think its a new version of Dragons,just his personal annoying addition every time he writes. i did remember a polly on the site and someone said ‘give him a cracker’ as they thought he was talking sh-t but we can only wonder ,or forget about it.
However for the unenlightened if there is something clever about it,educate us niknak.

Re Jake’s selections : I am beyond hoping for guys like SB,Watson and Botes etc…but my realistic hopes are that he drop MJ and J,Cronje. Then we’ll have 2 positions to add players aswell as all those spots to make up 45.
For me Watson or Botes instead of Cronje would be nice.
Somehow we know besides NOT picking Watson and Britz I also expect him to stick with Cronje.
He says these guys offer more than Watson cos theyre taller (lineout options) ,heck Watson has a fire under his arse like few others. Only JC could extinguish it with his trays of ice cold ‘he’s been so ineffective.
One thing though….White will get more out of his guys ,whoever they are,than the S14 coaches.

]]> By: J.B. Cowper http://keo.co.za/2006/05/12/its-up-to-the-players/#comment-76459 J.B. Cowper Fri, 12 May 2006 18:36:14 +0000 http://www.keo.co.za/2006/05/12/its-up-to-the-players/#comment-76459 Mikeybrass on No. 26 has got it correct; but we need to get the contracts centralized.

John Cowper – Detroit

]]> By: Lang Giel http://keo.co.za/2006/05/12/its-up-to-the-players/#comment-76343 Lang Giel Fri, 12 May 2006 18:05:12 +0000 http://www.keo.co.za/2006/05/12/its-up-to-the-players/#comment-76343 Playing golf is much more fun than playing Currie Cup Rugby, especially if you’re paid huge sums of money for it.

]]> By: Derek Noble http://keo.co.za/2006/05/12/its-up-to-the-players/#comment-76337 Derek Noble Fri, 12 May 2006 18:02:04 +0000 http://www.keo.co.za/2006/05/12/its-up-to-the-players/#comment-76337 Andrew, you and Mr. Heymans should know that English players are not centrally contracted. There is no way they get 19 weeks off before the World Cup. They are touring South Africa next June ffs!

]]> By: OCO http://keo.co.za/2006/05/12/its-up-to-the-players/#comment-75931 OCO Fri, 12 May 2006 15:45:27 +0000 http://www.keo.co.za/2006/05/12/its-up-to-the-players/#comment-75931 Critical thinking ability is what JW thinks is lacking in the SA rugby supporter.
JW had already picked his team before the S14.
A number of the players haven’t performed and JW is trying to avoid more criticism of them.
What better way to avoid the criticism of “So and so had a kak S14 and a kak CC and is now in the team (and still playing kak)”
vs.
“Well, so and so had a kak S14 but how was JW to know he was still going to be kak after a long lay-off?”
If players don’t get game time their performance deteriorates. No amount of training (note Mr. Noakes!) is a substitute for playing a competitive game.
Mr Noakes, it’s called ‘rustiness’ and it affects ALL sports persons. It’s well documented. Strange that JW and Noakes don’t know this – or do they and the excuses will start during the WC.
It’s the opposite to Camp Stallgrad and just as flawed.
If SARFU continue with this stupidity, the Boks will be out of the WC before getting into any other round.

]]> By: PissAnt http://keo.co.za/2006/05/12/its-up-to-the-players/#comment-75854 PissAnt Fri, 12 May 2006 15:31:05 +0000 http://www.keo.co.za/2006/05/12/its-up-to-the-players/#comment-75854 what the hell did i miss with cracker man niknak?

after every post?!

]]> By: Vinnie http://keo.co.za/2006/05/12/its-up-to-the-players/#comment-75759 Vinnie Fri, 12 May 2006 15:09:35 +0000 http://www.keo.co.za/2006/05/12/its-up-to-the-players/#comment-75759 did tim noakes come up with critical thinking ability or jake white?

What a load of kak. If JW had to pick guys like Schalk Britz and Luke Watson who are obviously good enough then he could give guys like schalk and john smit a break to rest their critical thinking ability.
Same applies to ndongane, brent russel, ross skeate, andries bekker etc etc etc.

but yet even for small games we see the same starting line-up week in week out.

]]> By: jondood http://keo.co.za/2006/05/12/its-up-to-the-players/#comment-75752 jondood Fri, 12 May 2006 15:05:36 +0000 http://www.keo.co.za/2006/05/12/its-up-to-the-players/#comment-75752 mikeybrass

What is “critical thinking ability”?

]]> By: mikeybrass http://keo.co.za/2006/05/12/its-up-to-the-players/#comment-75746 mikeybrass Fri, 12 May 2006 15:03:50 +0000 http://www.keo.co.za/2006/05/12/its-up-to-the-players/#comment-75746 Ruudboy, spot on. Anyone with common sense and an ounce of critical thinking ability would agree with you.

]]> By: mikeybrass http://keo.co.za/2006/05/12/its-up-to-the-players/#comment-75742 mikeybrass Fri, 12 May 2006 15:03:01 +0000 http://www.keo.co.za/2006/05/12/its-up-to-the-players/#comment-75742 Any “ongoing basis” has to have a starting point. In this case, the Springbok management and the players union coming up with a plan that is benefical to the contracted Springbok players. If you want the Boks to perform, the players need (a) rest and (b) time to condition. You do *not* get into conditioning by playing week in and week out. A player like Big Joe *looses* muscle mass by playing at a high intensity for weeks on end without a break for conditioning.

This is called recognition of the country’s top players who have performed at international level now consistently for two years. It is called conditioning these players to meet the demands of the modern international game. It is called building the groundwork upon which future central contracts and conditioning programs can be built.

I fail to see why this is so difficult to graspand why there is so much pissing in the wind, except that those pissing obviously have a very warped idea of what it takes for the body not only to survive but prosper at international level *shrugs*

Good on you Jake, the players and Tim Noakes. Finally…

]]> By: Lawrence of Azania http://keo.co.za/2006/05/12/its-up-to-the-players/#comment-75733 Lawrence of Azania Fri, 12 May 2006 14:59:44 +0000 http://www.keo.co.za/2006/05/12/its-up-to-the-players/#comment-75733 So Ruudboy, I assume you have been in a car accident at 60km/h and played Super 14 Rugby. Which team did you play for?

]]> By: Vinnie http://keo.co.za/2006/05/12/its-up-to-the-players/#comment-75730 Vinnie Fri, 12 May 2006 14:58:20 +0000 http://www.keo.co.za/2006/05/12/its-up-to-the-players/#comment-75730 welterweight.

]]> By: bluebarb http://keo.co.za/2006/05/12/its-up-to-the-players/#comment-75726 bluebarb Fri, 12 May 2006 14:56:58 +0000 http://www.keo.co.za/2006/05/12/its-up-to-the-players/#comment-75726 Vinnie,
what weight division?

]]> By: bluebarb http://keo.co.za/2006/05/12/its-up-to-the-players/#comment-75721 bluebarb Fri, 12 May 2006 14:56:03 +0000 http://www.keo.co.za/2006/05/12/its-up-to-the-players/#comment-75721 I think the cats players were not that concerned about giving up win bonusses anyway ;)

]]> By: niknak http://keo.co.za/2006/05/12/its-up-to-the-players/#comment-75715 niknak Fri, 12 May 2006 14:54:39 +0000 http://www.keo.co.za/2006/05/12/its-up-to-the-players/#comment-75715 ruud
reading your posts is like a car crash at 60km/h
cracker

]]> By: Vinnie http://keo.co.za/2006/05/12/its-up-to-the-players/#comment-75711 Vinnie Fri, 12 May 2006 14:53:59 +0000 http://www.keo.co.za/2006/05/12/its-up-to-the-players/#comment-75711 Ja ruudboy, I was a pro boxer at one time and i was always trianing…

]]> By: Lawrence of Azania http://keo.co.za/2006/05/12/its-up-to-the-players/#comment-75709 Lawrence of Azania Fri, 12 May 2006 14:53:43 +0000 http://www.keo.co.za/2006/05/12/its-up-to-the-players/#comment-75709 eh, mikey, to me a true measure of professionalism would be how team management manages resources on an ONGOING basis, not by crisis management, which seems to be the case here (please note how the crusaders handled mccaw). recognition comes from being awarded springbok colours and representing your country, not by sitting on your arse for 3 months. As a spectator I have an interest in this product that is being sold. i would like to see reasonable quality rugby when it is played. and believe me, this is all about entertainment and nothing more.

]]> By: Vinnie http://keo.co.za/2006/05/12/its-up-to-the-players/#comment-75708 Vinnie Fri, 12 May 2006 14:53:23 +0000 http://www.keo.co.za/2006/05/12/its-up-to-the-players/#comment-75708 If Jake had to expand his squad and develop a decent second squad we wouldnt need to rest players – we would just rotate them the same way the kiwis do.

]]> By: RuudBoy http://keo.co.za/2006/05/12/its-up-to-the-players/#comment-75702 RuudBoy Fri, 12 May 2006 14:52:05 +0000 http://www.keo.co.za/2006/05/12/its-up-to-the-players/#comment-75702 Playing a Super 14 game is like being in a car accident at 60km/hr!Thats the amount of stress that is put on the body! Imagine being in car accident 14 weeks in a row!!!!!Now do you get the picture as to why these guys need a rest? This is all part of professionalism, something the game of Rugby has struggled to embrace!!!!!

]]> By: Vinnie http://keo.co.za/2006/05/12/its-up-to-the-players/#comment-75700 Vinnie Fri, 12 May 2006 14:51:49 +0000 http://www.keo.co.za/2006/05/12/its-up-to-the-players/#comment-75700 “They keep retainer and lost win bonuses” – cracker deal for all the cats players then.

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