Why Jake chose Jean
30 May 2006
Jean de Villiers is the Springboks’ stand-in skipper because he offers the Boks “something extra”, says coach Jake White.
However, Tuesday’s announcement came as a massive shock, after White had earlier suggested that Wikus van Heerden was his back-up captain to John Smit.
“There’s been a lot of speculation about Wikus and AJ [Venter], but I think it would have been unreasonable to put additional pressure on Wikus in his first match back in the team,” White told Die Burger’s Herbert Pretorius.
“AJ has occasionally led the Sharks on to the field, but he’s still trying to establish himself in the team. The same can be said of Joe [van Niekerk], who has captained teams up to the U21 level. Jean knows there’s a great responsibility on his shoulders and that this is a big event. He has the respect of the seniors to tell them on the field what to do.”
De Villiers said he was looking forward to his new role on Saturday.
“It came quite suddenly,” he admitted. “I consider it a big privilege. I’ve captained the Stormers this year and feel ready for this challenge.”
Meanwhile, White confirmed that a couple of the new caps would leave the squad after the match against the World XV.
“There’s a possibility that newcomers like Jannie [du Plessis] and Andries [Bekker] won’t get a chance to play soon,” he said. “I’m going to send them, as well as a couple of other players, back to their unions at the end of the week to play Currie Cup rugby.
“These players are happy with my decision. They’re glad that they’ve been able to train with us and they now know they’re being considered for a place in the team. They also know what they’ve got to do in future to become first choice players and establish themselves.”
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31 May 2006, 12:24 pm
Henri F,
maybe but what happened to the days when a test match was precisely that, the ultimate test of rugby strength, it seems that you are advocating that JW should not take the NH tours as seriously. This is a worthy argument, but surely you cannot blame White for playing test match rugby in the correct spirit.
31 May 2006, 12:26 pm
Drunkmonkey…
I admire your determination and sheer willpower in getting that damned keyboard of yours to try and write what you’re actaully thinking…
Makes me think of old Descartes: “Cogito ergo sum” [I think, therefore I am]…
But wait.
That must mean that Drunkmonkey…
Well…
Drunkmonkey “am not”?!
Amazing.
The ****** who never was…
31 May 2006, 12:28 pm
Greenbok
Please explain to him in has native Bloubul taal, as he would never understand what you said now
31 May 2006, 12:28 pm
Pissant
sies
Was it necessary to have a go at HM, far more succesful at this stage than any other of the provinces.
31 May 2006, 12:31 pm
and who said SA rugby fans were dom? see Keo we have okes on your site quoting Descartes.
i better google who the hell he is…
31 May 2006, 12:31 pm
tackler
What exactly do you mean by the Bloubul taal?
Explain it to this “ffick” Blue Bull supporter.
31 May 2006, 12:31 pm
Cab,
Those were the days when the Boks played 3-4 Tests a year – either at home or abroad, and occasionally had an end-of-year tour (every 4 years?). For their long tours, they had a squad of 30 players who were all used over 2-3 months during the winter. No summer games (Super 10/12/14, except UK tour), and less strenuous Currie Cup – club rugby at the time we have Vodacom Cup.
31 May 2006, 12:32 pm
No doubt jondood, I admire him and Rassie as two of our best – but sheez, draw comparisons at you own peril!!!
I just couldnt let that one slide.
31 May 2006, 12:32 pm
cab
Descartes, escargots same diff to me.
31 May 2006, 12:32 pm
PissAnt
Ja I know you could not let it slide.
That is why I told him to shutup.
31 May 2006, 12:32 pm
no need to fight with idiots that clearly dont watch rugby .. bloem leeu.
pissant thats the same Heyneke … yeah he been coach for couple years now and in those wonderfull years we have won the curriecup … we have outplayed other south african teams and may i add we top of the south-african teams we the only team to reach semi-final last year and this year. Clearly Heyneke must be doing something right.
SO the only reason why heyneke been coach for so long is cos he the best coach.
31 May 2006, 12:32 pm
Bloubul taal: “I stink, derefore I are”
31 May 2006, 12:33 pm
also true Henri-F, perhaps you are right that not so many games in the past, but i am reluctant to see emphasis placed on a world cup, once every 4 years, rather than the wonderful atmosphere of a test match being reduced, merely for being out-of-season.
31 May 2006, 12:35 pm
Henri F…
Yes – all valid points you make…
Only this is not New Zealand now is it?
Forget the end of year tour in 05 – look at what happeing now…
In spite of the “backing” JW recieved from SARU/SARFU – read between the lines…
They said – “yes, it’s important to rest and rotate players…but winning is still everything…”
Will slap me silly and call me Susan!
The question Henri – is how would [the other] Henry have run things in SA?
Not much different I’d say.
JW has been advocating rest and rotate since the beginning of this [still new] season.
He then has a meeting with the bosses, prior to which he tells all and sundry that he will be pushing to have his policy implemented.
He then comes out of the meeting, and approaches the very next game with a ‘must win’ attitude. Don’t you think that tells you something about how the meeting went?
Oh, and I never said that JW is NOT fair game.
He’s in the eye of the public and must take the flack and it goes with the job blah blah.
Responsible journalism and CRITICAL [analytical] crticism never hurt anyone.
It’s when people turn around and say things like: “Fug you Henri F, you stupid” – that really gets my blood boiling…
31 May 2006, 12:35 pm
Ja Henri F
I also “moers before i thinks”
31 May 2006, 12:35 pm
jondood, ya both small french things that can be eaten as an appetizer.
31 May 2006, 12:37 pm
cab
LOL
31 May 2006, 12:39 pm
******,
winning the CC, is hardly grounds to compare a union coach to one that coaches, and competes, against the best the world has to offer.
so rassie, winning the CC for the cheetahs after almost 30 years should become bok coach?
the same goes for reaching two semi’s, where one, you had a brilliant HOME RUN after losing just about every away game, and second, had with the stormers, the best damn draw in only to lose against the canes AT HOME, get spanked by the saders AT HOME, lose to the Brumbies AT HOME, lose to the damn reds of all teams, draw against the chiefs and lose against the blues who was by far the worst NZ side and the worst any NZ side in many years only to sneak into a semi spot thanks to a depleted brumbies team missing three vital players through injury and suspension????
sheez buddy let’s sit back and think about this for a second…
31 May 2006, 12:39 pm
Dom Aap
HM Is the best coach-Its true!…
But the other coaches are pathetic, except Muir and Rassie.
In die land van die blindes is een oog koning reg?
31 May 2006, 12:39 pm
Jondood, my comment about Bloubul taal obviously doesn’t apply to you, as your IQ count is higher than that of a brick, and you don’t walk aroung singing the bluebull song the every one that walks by.
31 May 2006, 12:40 pm
drunkmonkey, i think you should rather keep quiet… you making a fool of yourself.
jondood, how’s laura?
31 May 2006, 12:40 pm
Henri F – “I stink, derefore I are”
Ha Ha Ha Ha hA!
Classic!
31 May 2006, 12:41 pm
PA
Now the bulls season looks even more horrible!
31 May 2006, 12:41 pm
greenbok that was a gayish statement.
Did someone google descrates? cos i dont know who the hell he is.
Not to insult anybody but Jake white been lucky what he says and does is worlds apart. like he says rest the players but he play his best players why not rotate your players white? To admit that u didnt select on of the ndungane brothers why u should have dumb.
31 May 2006, 12:42 pm
jonnyd, i must ask, do you have one of those bloubul helmets? I saw a picture of a fan in SA Rugby who was pained blue with a moerse-horned helmet and long blue hair. He looked rougher than a badgers arse.
31 May 2006, 12:43 pm
Cab,
I agree. I make a distinction between World Cup champions, and World Champions. The latter, to my mind, have most consistently over the last 15 years been the Australasians – mainly the All Blacks. In cricket, its the Ozzies, and Brazil in football. Cricket and football have a ranking system based on results from games played (hence Bafana’s slide into ignominy on the rankings). The World Cup is like a beauty pageant – not always won by the one with the most beautiful face (Miss World exceptions for me were Anneline Kriel, Ashwariya Rai, amongst others).
Graham Henry has managed to have a pool of 30 players who do not cause a significant drop in performance when the first choice drops out. Jake White, through his “innocent until guilty at Test match level” policy, protects incumbents at the expense of enlarging the pool of players. Having said all of this (what a ghastly cliche!), our lack of basic skills, mental competence and on field “smarts”, are a major constraint to us doing what England, France and NZ do when blooding young players.
31 May 2006, 12:44 pm
awell u **** can say what u like i be shouting for the bulls and laugh as your teams lose like they lost against the bulls.
maybe white should coach the bulls and heyneke the bokke then we can compare the two but since neither of them has coached for the other it be silly to compare
31 May 2006, 12:45 pm
dronkaap
ag, nevermind… no use reasoning with a ******…
31 May 2006, 12:46 pm
Dom Aap
Jake had to pick his best side’s to play, he has a performance clause in his contract, unlike Ludeke. Hence the reason he went to SARU, so that he can rotate his players, and when he loose, his job wont be on the line.
We all know what happens to Bok coaches who loose games!
And by the way, when I watch the Boks play I want the best guys in SA playing. Bok rugby must be above provincialism!! Rest players at provincial level and not Bok level twat!!
31 May 2006, 12:47 pm
Got this off IOL, very disturbing what the teenagers get up to in Tswane and Egoli…
SA teenagers are trading *** for luxury goods
Karyn Maughan
May 30 2006 at 05:18AM
She has *** with middle-aged men for luxury goods, says she is not a prostitute and believes that if she sleeps only with white men, she won’t get Aids. And she is just 15.
Caroline* is one of a growing number of teenagers engaging in the disturbing practice of “transactional” ***.
She has had unprotected *** with three different middle-aged men in exchange for an iPod, designer clothing, jewellery and top-of-the-range cellphones.
And she isn’t alone in her choice of after-school activity or her belief that she isn’t vulnerable to sexually transmitted disease.
‘This kind of thing has always been around’
Senior Superintendent Anneke Pienaar, head of the police’s Family Violence, Child Protection and Sexual Offences Unit, told The Star that transactional *** was becoming an increasingly acceptable way for teenagers in Johannesburg and Pretoria to acquire the luxuries they crave.
31 May 2006, 12:47 pm
tackler_of_note
I have my Blou Bul song on my cell phone, so I dont need to sing it, I listen.
wpw
I will be cheking on the site shortly, thanks for the reminder.
31 May 2006, 12:48 pm
Let’s see if I remember correctly ….Descartes – Cartesian logic, “either-or”. Postulated “idealism” – primacy of the idea – “I think therefore I am”.
Marxian materialists say “I am, therefore I think.”
Bloubulle say “I moers cause I stinks, and fink when I are”
If you Google, look for Rene Descartes.
31 May 2006, 12:48 pm
Thanks WPW
31 May 2006, 12:49 pm
die bloubul eet nie van die vloer af nie… net as hy in australia en nz is
31 May 2006, 12:49 pm
lol wpw
31 May 2006, 12:49 pm
cab
I do have an helmet but it aint blue, well not all the time.
lol
31 May 2006, 12:51 pm
drunkmonkey, no, who is descrates?
he’s a new one, sounds like the love-child of Descartes and Socrates.
Henri-F,
yeah, perhaps, agree australatians have unfortunately probabaly been world champions over last decade, but under that title we were defnitely the world champs in 99, but unluckily lost to a dropkick from larkham.
31 May 2006, 12:51 pm
LMAO @ jondood.
And sometimes your helmet is covered in brown **** hey jonD?
31 May 2006, 12:52 pm
Aagh no sick man WPW
31 May 2006, 12:53 pm
******,
you have every right to be proud of heyneke, i too believe he is a great coach who, like jake, took a team that was no-where and made them extremely competitive and the best in some respects in their fields.
he does seem to suffer a bit from jake-syndrome though being able to take a team to a certain level and then stagnate, an issue we discussed last year RE the boks.
jake has said the approach will be different this year and i guess we will have to wait and see how he goes.
also, it is very dangerous to believe a successful union coach will be successful at international level, viljoen and stroolie are two examples of coaches that did damn well with their union teams but we all know how that fairytale ended when they went on to coach the bokke.
31 May 2006, 12:53 pm
wpw
your team cant even win on home soil they bottom of the log so yeah
31 May 2006, 12:53 pm
Got to go Talk later
Cheers
31 May 2006, 12:54 pm
lol jondood, actually quite like those helmets, the rugbykind, very practical, perhaps the Cats can start marketing some Lions headgear and leapord print rubgy balle and cheetah takkies?
31 May 2006, 12:55 pm
drunkmonkey, i know they are ****. i am not going to dispute that. we talking about your stupidity now.
31 May 2006, 12:55 pm
Vinnie (49), I`ve been to Eden Park and North Harbour Stadium on my travels. Both awesome! Actually watched a one dayer at Eden Park too. When Kallis made 100 and Cullinan made 94 of 57 balls. Man, what an innings. Jonty also took that one handed catch, diving backwards in front of us. Bloody awesome!
You can watch any game of rugby (or league) there and the intensity is ferocious!
31 May 2006, 12:58 pm
Keo
Great article on news24! Just shows that Jake is complaining for no good reason!
31 May 2006, 12:59 pm
Looks like Ig the sensor is having a busy day today!
Tony, I’ve never been there but do intend to at some point in the future. Very definately.
31 May 2006, 13:00 pm
hey maybe if your teams like win a curriecup or get like into a semi-final can u induldge about how bad the bulls are. Untill then stop flapping your gums cos your teams still below the Bulls ;]
31 May 2006, 13:02 pm
Maybe you should stop flapping your gums cause none of us can understand half of what you type.
31 May 2006, 13:03 pm
Hey **** the provinicial KAK now.
We should be concerned about the BOks now.
Leave the rest for the CC.
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