Monty’s boot saves Boks
3 Jun 2006
Nine penalties from Percy Montgomery gave the Boks an unconvincing 30-27 victory over the World XV at Ellis Park on Saturday. The home side led 15-11 at half-time.
Pity those fans who forked out R300 to watch this drivel. In fact, pity anyone who managed to stomach the full 80 minutes.
Apart from Joe van Niekerk, who made three memorable linebreaks and offloads in the first half, the Boks lacked direction and inspiration.
Without John Smit, Victor Matfield and Schalk Burger, the soft under-belly of the Bok pack was brutally exposed. Deon Carstens was totally outscrummed by Cobus Visagie, who must surely now be a candidate for the World Cup squad, while the World XV loose forwards managed to slow down Bok ball at the breakdown.
Fortunately, South Africa’s line-out was as reliable as ever with Hanyani Shimange delivering one of his best performances. AJ Venter was the main ball winner up front, and it was only in the second half that the World XV claimed one against the throw.
Jaco van der Westhuzyen, who started his first match at flyhalf for the Boks since the Mandela Test in Sydney last year, generally failed to get the backline going. In the first two minutes of the match he had a pass intercepted and then put a kick directly into touch. He will have to seriously up his game in order to prevent the injured Andre Pretorius from reclaiming his No 10 jersey this season.
The World XV, meanwhile, were outstanding considering they spent as much time in the pub as on the training field this week. That they came so close to pulling off an upset victory was mainly down to scrumhalf Justin Marshall – who was driven over for his side’s first try early in the match – flyhalf Carlos Spencer – whose brilliant cross kick set up Isa Nacewa’s try soon after half-time – and Matt Burke, who kicked five penalties and a conversion.
In the end, a match that promised so much in terms of running rugby delivered very little.
Montgomery and Burke exchanged early penalties, before Marshall was driven over for the World XV’s first try and an 8-3 lead. Only a fourth penalty from Montgomery and a massive 55m strike from Gaffie du Toit after the siren, gave the home side a four-point lead at the break.
The Boks were expected to come out firing in the second half, but were disrupted when Venter was sent to the sin bin. A minute later, Spencer put in a cross kick for Nacewa, Montgomery inexblicably never left the ground, and the World XV right wing scored under the posts.
A string of penalties from Montgomery and Burke saw the scores locked at 27-all with four minutes remaining. However, the whistle-happy Henning awarded the Boks a dubious penalty in front of the posts, allowing Montgomery to kick his ninth penalty and save Bok blushes.
Springbok XV - Penalties: Percy Montgomery (9), Gaffie du Toit.
World XV – Tries: Justin Marshall, Isa Nacewa. Conversions: Matt Burke (1). Penalties: Burke (5)
By Simon Borchardt, at Ellis Park
241 Comments
3 Jun 2006, 17:05 pm
Bokke
3 Jun 2006, 17:06 pm
Kak game – man of the match should have been Tappe Henning !!!
3 Jun 2006, 17:07 pm
JACO IS A DRAGON
3 Jun 2006, 17:07 pm
HENNING IS AN INFRINGEMENT lol
3 Jun 2006, 17:08 pm
how about gaffies boot?
3 Jun 2006, 17:09 pm
Monty is a little *****.
3 Jun 2006, 17:17 pm
I think this game proves that a number of players should not be in the test side
namely :
1.Janurie: poor passing , poor defense – same from S14 kaak…
2. Dannie Roussow… he is like a dinosoar … no skill
3. shimmie – just proved that the only reason why he is there is because he is black … not even good enough for currie cup .
4.van heerden too slow for a international loosie …soory mate
5. eddie andrews … do I have to say anything kak , kak ,kak
I think Jake should take another look at his squad we need guys like Britz, watson , Ackermann , Visage( he made our props look like winkes today )Spies
3 Jun 2006, 17:18 pm
Ok maar ****** net-net, nie goed genoeg nie bokke!!
Baie werk voor die Skotte, hoop Matfield, Bakkies, Schalk, Habanero, CJ & Os kom bliksems vinnig reg
Keo, your bones were wrong AGAIN!!!! You said the Boks were going to put 50 over the World XV. Stop throwing your bones, buddy, you’re just looking for quick hits on this blog and it shows how little you are able to read the game we love so much.
3 Jun 2006, 17:22 pm
one more thing …. todays game also proved that tappa henning is the worst ref that sa has ever had , thank god it was his last game …
3 Jun 2006, 17:23 pm
news just in,Carsten and Shimange just fell through their own arseholes
3 Jun 2006, 17:23 pm
Groot aka Jondood.
Has spoken.
Keo I wish for you to listen to him if not he is gonna break those bones of yours.
3 Jun 2006, 17:24 pm
grootblou
Every time keo roles his bones we know that exactly the opposite of what he says will actually happen. Give up the bones keo! Learn from Tappe and dont bring them back for a swan song.
3 Jun 2006, 17:24 pm
Deutsche
I thought Henning was bad but not the worst, yes he is in the top 5, but spannenburg remember him, i thought he was the worst ref out of SA, worst ref of all time is out of australia, any of them.
3 Jun 2006, 17:25 pm
Henning had absolutely no control over the game, none whatsoever!
3 Jun 2006, 17:26 pm
BokfokopinOzzie,
Man you’re a dimwit, Jondood show your face buddy, show this poepol that we both blog seperately.
Ozzie, I would rather put up with Keo’s wayward predictions than your pathetic posts……now fark off.
3 Jun 2006, 17:28 pm
Keo cant give up the bones because he has no clue about rugby.
While he has them and they ‘lose’ he has an escapegoat.
3 Jun 2006, 17:28 pm
CSI
Agreed Spanneburg and Tappe were nipping at each others heels for that worst spot but Tappe still takes it for me. To whistle happy and his games always degenerate into lots of niggle. He just could never stamp his authority on a game or let it flow. You could see that players just dont have any respect for the guy.
3 Jun 2006, 17:28 pm
Test,
You’re right bud, maybe Keo should continue rolling the bones, then we’ll know to expect the exact opposite!!
3 Jun 2006, 17:29 pm
Jondood/Groot
The bulle mentality getting the better of you again.
3 Jun 2006, 17:30 pm
Bokinoz
Agree …How can keo explain being out on his prediction by such a massive margin except that he doesnt have a clue?
3 Jun 2006, 17:30 pm
Ya CSI but our was really looking forward to todays game ( we dont get much rugby in Germany )and for me he just detroyed the game …
3 Jun 2006, 17:31 pm
Little Oz,
Your mentality is irking me, nothing wrong with my Bulls mentality.
Come on Jondood, I need your presense here!!
3 Jun 2006, 17:31 pm
Groot
Good suggestion
3 Jun 2006, 17:33 pm
Are u guys getting the tri-nations footage in Germany?
3 Jun 2006, 17:35 pm
Good to hear Shimange played well!Just watch some pathetic people decry him now. So sad.
3 Jun 2006, 17:36 pm
Ya we got some highlights last year but not much … its dam sad … i love watching the boks play
3 Jun 2006, 17:38 pm
Keo het sy naam dooster gemaak soos al baie kere tevore.
The Boks’ frontrow was not in the game. Kobus Visagie gave us a lesson in scrumming.
Jauarie, and Jaco vd Westhuizen should both apply for Greenland citizenship and just **** off from and form of rugby.
Percy’s judgement was shocking but hell who will replace him.
Van Heerden?? Well now you know why he should not have been in the squad.
Van Niekerk started like a star and then became a disaSTAR.
Who was the other losie? Oh yes I saw him when he was yellow carded.
Jean de Villiers ran so many lines that he got entangled in them.
Donker…donker…middernag….
Buite poep ‘n Zoeloe sag!
3 Jun 2006, 17:38 pm
Jondood aka Grootblouwinkie
I am sure to you the bulle mentality is fine.
One dimensional!
3 Jun 2006, 17:39 pm
Mikeybrass – I have no opinion on Shimmie because I have not seen him play much – but please do not believe the article above Shimmies throwing was terrible! He also did not do much else but nor did botha
3 Jun 2006, 17:40 pm
Ozzie,
I am not in the mood to converse with you, leave me alone, go suck your boyfriends ****
3 Jun 2006, 17:41 pm
Grootie
Are you suffering from Schizophrenia,
Just sign off and sign on as Jondood.
3 Jun 2006, 17:41 pm
THAT WAS KAK.
I forked out R750.00 for my family to go watch this drivel, OFFICIALLY THE VERY LAST TIME I VER GO TO ELLIS PARK.
The Rugby was KAK.
Got harrased yet again by some ******* outside regarding parking.
The power in the Stadium cut, FFKS and we want to host the world cup LMFAO.
PS : Boks have a huge task ahead of them this season, because based on that Scotland will give them a snot klap.
3 Jun 2006, 17:43 pm
Drol,
Which part don’t you understand, LEAVE ME ALONE, before you lose the fight again like the other night (twice)!!!
3 Jun 2006, 17:43 pm
Grootie
See you cant at least keep the wit without being callous.
Shame!!
3 Jun 2006, 17:44 pm
Gotta love you and leave you guys … lets hope next saturday is an improvement … See ya then
go bokke
3 Jun 2006, 17:44 pm
Grootie
My love.
You over rate yourself.
3 Jun 2006, 17:46 pm
Montgomery saved nothing.
Any decent kicker would have slotted those kicks. The only difficult kick was gaffie’s.
Monty did give a try away.
Forget about Tappe, the captains had no control over their players.
Januarie proved himself to be a fat unfit flash in the pan. Shimange and Andrews are thorougbred quotas and vd Bergh is a toothpick.
AJ was outstanding and Chemical Joe had some good moments. Gary was good and Cobus bent Carstens like a twig.Sephaka is the same as Shimange.
As individuals some played well, but this was very dissapointing.
3 Jun 2006, 17:47 pm
Visagie DESTROYED Deon Carstens entire Sprinbok career.
Danie Rossouw spent more time farking up every backline move than doing his primary job. He is **** and should NEVER play Bok rugby again.
Shimange is a total larde-arse and was a non-entity
The entire Bok front row got hammered today. Visagie and co. were LAUGHING to themselves.
The fact that AJ Venter still throws punches should signal the end of his days. Same with Rossouw who took a crack at Chabal. They are an embarrassment to SA Rugby. What for, I ask??
Januarie needs to up his game enormously
vd Westhuizen had no control over this game. He was clueless and opted for too many aimless and useless downfield kicks.
What the FARK was the point of bring Olivier on at wing??? HE DOES NOT PLAY THERE!!!!
Generally a piss poor attempt by all of the Sprinbok XV. No excuses, they have been in training camp for weeks now.
This World XV were a bunch of has-beens who have lived it up at Sun City for the entire week and we could not score ONE SINGLE try against them??
Alistair Coetzee, what have you to say about this??
Granted, this was the first game up for the Boks, but there was nothing positive in it. No structure, no apparent gameplan, no inventiveness, nothing.
Disappointing to say the least
3 Jun 2006, 17:47 pm
how would the Crusaders done today against our beloved Boks ?
3 Jun 2006, 17:47 pm
BokfokopinOzzie,
You are very far away in Oz, therefore pretty safe, however, do me a favour and give yourself a Piellewapper Klap on my behalf!!
I said, LEAVE ME ALONE BOETIE!!!
3 Jun 2006, 17:49 pm
Jondood
then dont answer me then.
But the Bulle mentality always gets the better of you and you just want to donner me.
Kiss Kiss.
I bet you a weasel.
3 Jun 2006, 17:51 pm
Groot come and talk rugger on the other Blog.
Just rugger.
3 Jun 2006, 17:52 pm
Boks were kak, I hope they improve next weekend or the Scots will kill us….load of ****
3 Jun 2006, 17:53 pm
OzzieDrol,
I don’t want to talk to you at all!!
3 Jun 2006, 17:54 pm
Sage, I think Chabal desearved what he got there lol. But on a whole i really was dissapointed.
And to think i paid to watch this ****, im even more pissed of.
Niceot see one or two of King Carlos moves.
3 Jun 2006, 17:55 pm
I did not say talk to me but talk rugger.
3 Jun 2006, 17:58 pm
Jake is right in saying that he has enough props. However, the problem is that two of those props had their heads shoved up their backsides by the prop he rejected.
3 Jun 2006, 17:58 pm
Correct me if I’m wrong, as I could only hear the game, but did the Boks use the short lineout all game?
Oh and Grootblou, you appear to be lacking as much grey matter as those other BB plods in the
Bok side!
3 Jun 2006, 18:01 pm
My few cents before I hit the wine:
Was Fourie or Snyman playing? It’s like having Naas at 10. The ball never went past 10, and if it did, Danie Rossouw was there to screw it up.
On Sephaka ‘going down’ – you can see it’s Visagie pulling him down. Sneaky, but clever. Very clever. Great lesson in tactics and winning penalties. Fitzpatrickesque.
Carstens was a particular dissapointment. He use to be a tighthead, I really thought he would come through at 1.
My biggest worry – the only players I saw hitting a ruck was De Villers, Andrews and v/d Berg. What happened to Danie Rossouw – o ja, he was standing at 1st receiver thrying to run over someone everytime. And Venter?
Eddie Andrews must be pretty happy today as the problems was all on the other side of the scrum. So no-one can pick on him.
One positive – learning how to win ugly.
3 Jun 2006, 18:07 pm
I can’t wait for the excuses from Jake and his many merry muppits on this site that throw so much support behind him. There is no substitute for form and jake was shown up today. But he will talk up a big story tomorrow again.
Januarie was pathetic, and was actually made to look a fool by Spencer. The two quickest passes from rucks came from Eddie Andrews and Pienaar showed more in his short spell than Januarie did the whole game.
Gaffie and Snyman – **** and players like the Ndungame’s should be there.
Jaco – another **** performance / never has been, never will be a decent test no 10. SA is lucky Spencer and Chaval went off injured.
van Heerden – never has, never will deserve the Bok jersey. Emotion and inspiration doesn’t put points on the board, form players do like wannenburg who should have started.
Rossouw / Venter – dumb boneheads … when you are being completely outplayed – hit the guy????
The front row and Jake were handed their asses on a plate today and now Jake is pretty close to having enough stupid comments for a book by now. I’m sure Cobus is having a good laugh.
Unfortunately, i’m beginning to enjoy watching Jake fail. Soon enough, he might pull his head out of his *** – let’s just hope it is not too late.
3 Jun 2006, 18:09 pm
bryce,
Please don’t cimb on BokinOzzie’s bandwagon, have never insulted or taken you on, only have an absolute disgust for BokinOzzie.
Agree with you that Danie Rossouw was fenominally kak today — how in hell does he always allow smaller outjies to rip the ball off him and why oh why does he always try to run over the opponents.
Like I said in my first post, I hope our injured stars (not only Bulls) come back soon, otherwise this is going to be a loooooooooong season!!
3 Jun 2006, 18:11 pm
Groot
Maybe Bryce has found you out as well.
3 Jun 2006, 18:12 pm
BokinOzzie Mate,
You wanted me to talk rugby, I am, now sod off!!
3 Jun 2006, 18:13 pm
What a load of Shite, Jake i love you man and always defend you but holy ****,what a KAK performance what the hell have you done and where the hell is your depth in your squad, Why have you made stupid Quota selections when you had Form quat players who would never let you down in the green and gol I.E. Dulane who i hate to say it might be better than both Wikus and Schalk on current form and maybe an Nudungane on another wing then with habanna you have three Form quota’s in your showing that development in SA is strong now you are embarrasing some poor front row players who were never good enough to be picked on form.You have a massive PROP Dilema yet you prematurely write off Visagie who showed he was a very strong scrummager what thae hell were you thinking, **** stop being so arrogant and give guys a chnce before you go all high annd mighty Dammit JW dont make me loose faith in you!
3 Jun 2006, 18:14 pm
On a brighter note – Kenya klapped Oz in the 7′s.
3 Jun 2006, 18:15 pm
Stan,
No criticism of one Bulls player … why am i not surprised. Jaco was complete dogshit as usual as was Rossouw.
The try that Percy let in shows the guy is thinking and didn’t want to give away a penalty but clearly you are too dof to see that. He was unlucky and it shows our loosies were nowhere and should have been cover defending.
3 Jun 2006, 18:15 pm
Gecko,
Hahahahahahaaaa, great news!
3 Jun 2006, 18:15 pm
It seems that many of the opposing sides are going to be using the Sader’s ploy of ripping the ball out of our forwards hands, in the tackle.
3 Jun 2006, 18:16 pm
Gecko
Did they?
That is hilarious but unfortunately hardly anyone in OZ follows the sevens.
3 Jun 2006, 18:17 pm
Apart from Jaco & Danie the Bulls players all showed up well. But those two made up for the rest.
3 Jun 2006, 18:17 pm
Pool B 16:44 Australia 7 – 26 Kenya
3 Jun 2006, 18:18 pm
Bryce,
Damn man, Jake must focus seriously on sharpening the skills of our players to retain the ball and not to allow it to be ripped out of their hands – like you say, very quickly all teams are going to target the Boks and all SA sides in those respects.
3 Jun 2006, 18:19 pm
Groot (53)
that is the first time you have been courteous.
Well done – you see you can do it.
3 Jun 2006, 18:21 pm
Now how about some news from the post game press conference? Can’t wait to hear what Jake has to say.
3 Jun 2006, 18:22 pm
BokinOzzie,
It might have been the first time you have perceived me as being curtious, have been a blogger for a long time boetie, yet you have managed to be the second greatest DOOS after Tackler in my eyes, still want you to f@ck off!!
3 Jun 2006, 18:23 pm
Bryce (58)
The players will just need to learn t0 shield the ball when going into a contact situation.
It will sorted out it is one of the basics in the game.
3 Jun 2006, 18:26 pm
I have been a blogger since the start of this website and kept with the same name.
I dont remember seeing you at least a year ago unless you were under the name of Jondood and aka something else.
3 Jun 2006, 18:27 pm
Jaco Van der Westhuixen oh holy **** the worst modt *** rugby player to set foo on a field **** go back to japan where you are infact big enough to play rugby
3 Jun 2006, 18:30 pm
Windhoek, we’ll have to leave Jake’s match report to the Dan’s world crew!
3 Jun 2006, 18:31 pm
When has Jaco ever done anything worthwhile for rugby. Let him and Danie take there **** rugby to Th SPEARS
3 Jun 2006, 18:33 pm
Tappe henning BYE BYE and thanks for nothing you stupid piece of ****
3 Jun 2006, 18:33 pm
we are ****. No decent flyhalves, only test props are injured and stop this *** infatuation with Danie and Wikus Jake…get a room instead of playing them. They are not test standard and you still play them?
3 Jun 2006, 18:35 pm
Bokdiehard
I hope you are not Grootblou
3 Jun 2006, 18:38 pm
BokinOzzie, put a lid on it.
3 Jun 2006, 18:44 pm
Ikeys
I am having a bit of fun here with groot since he was dishing it to other bloggers and I made a comment and took exception to it. It started of humerous but obviously could not take what he gives out.
Because he is limited wit wise he started being callous and then being aggressive.
Which shows he has seriuos limitations.
3 Jun 2006, 18:45 pm
mmmmmmmmm
3 Jun 2006, 18:48 pm
The performance by the Boks was hardly surprising. It reflected the poor showing of the SA sides in the Super 14. This against a side where none of the players can make their national teams.
3 Jun 2006, 18:52 pm
NO i am still A bok die hard supporter but if things continue like they did today i might be terminal
3 Jun 2006, 18:53 pm
The Boks were crying out for a Luke Watson today. Jake Wickus is not in Luke’s class.
3 Jun 2006, 18:58 pm
hey guys, don’t be too harsh on tappe henning… who most definitely was pathetic for the past 2 years, but before that he was a good, repected ref, so don’t make him an anti-hero just now. Soem of you don’t even understand rugby, and shoot tapope like he was nobody, then come the rest of the muppit sheep and keep saying the same thing. Give Tappe a warm goodbye – he most centainly did his job, and i’m sure he knows himself that he has made a few mistakes in the latter years. Be reasonable, not just stupid idiots repeating what others say on this blog.
3 Jun 2006, 18:59 pm
The problem with Tappe, Watson & Kaplan is they want to steal the show. The best SA refs are Joubert and Lawrence.
3 Jun 2006, 19:00 pm
yes bokdiehard,
i’m sure you’re a better ref than tappe, i’d prefer you die and ******* hard you piece of ****.
Yes Tappe has become old and was lately terrible, but its a pity no one remembers him a few years ago. But still our refs looking good, with Lawrence and Fortuin taking over the scene.
3 Jun 2006, 19:02 pm
ehm capeflatsboy, i agree, but Watson??? jeeez you just proved you haven’t been watching rugby for the past 10 years or so.
3 Jun 2006, 19:05 pm
**** guys – **** off from Tappe, his had his days, he was a good ref, a little shaky recently and thats it. And whoever says anything wrong about Watson clearly is a ********. We should be proud of Watson, the best ever ref!!!
******* idiots on this site, including the tackler, who just makes me laugh, a guy who doesn’t know a **** about rugby. shame.
3 Jun 2006, 19:05 pm
Watson was like a little Hitler on the field. Remember that incident between him & Balie Swart? That was hilarious. But the worst SA ref I remember was Jimmy Smith Belton from PE.
3 Jun 2006, 19:08 pm
Ok, let Grrrr… tell you how it was. The Boks were k@k, Tappa was k@kker plus trow in that the World 15 played very negative. Bottom line: We were K@K!!! Now that is rugby wisdom.
3 Jun 2006, 19:09 pm
Thank goodness I didn’t spend R300 to go watch that bollocks… They should refund those poor okes that went to Ellis…
3 Jun 2006, 19:09 pm
taurus are u watson
He once cost WP a currie cup final. Ruled that a pass to Chester was forward. I think it was the 1999 final at Loftus.
Also bet you dont know who Jimmy Smith Belton is. Shows you’ve only been watching this game for 10 years. You still a novice which means you missed the 1995 world cup.
3 Jun 2006, 19:11 pm
The poor old Boks are going to get rammed this season me thinks. Good thing my Cats gave me lots of pratice in being dissapointed. Bring on the WC!!
3 Jun 2006, 19:12 pm
More wisdom: Did you know the human head weights 9 pounds…???
3 Jun 2006, 19:24 pm
Taurus, my wife says i must be nice to you … so I am sorry…… that you know nothing about anything Totsiens Tappe Ita adbout time.
3 Jun 2006, 19:32 pm
damn i wonder how many of you loud mouths ever played rugby???
visagie bent carsten ???? what rubbish he tried couldnt and did the ilegal and got caught out 3 times did he bend sipaka yes
vdb won 2 of their line outs and wqas good in the loose
also one must remember a prop is as good as the locks behind him sadly thats where we lacked and shimange is a very weak scrumager
those who always shout about j smit maybe bow in ur small little brain youll realise he is by far the best as he doesnt just throw the ball in the line out
gary botha did ok when he came on but he still couldnt strengthen the scrum
lineouts we did well
in the loose it was van niekerk that didnt play well
then back line
one cant blame them except for jvdw and the baldy man clown we used for a scrum half who believes hes the yes and amen of rugby who tries to do all himself
our backline got no ball to prove if they were good enough or not
and its not that we didnt get enough ball ,, we did
between FH and SH we screwed it all up …
to blame carsten shows the lack of rugby knowledge
without a lock pushing behind you you dont have a chance
3 Jun 2006, 19:33 pm
capeflat, you’re a funny oke. Remember Jimmy Belton in a few matches in Currie Cup, don’t recall him being ever a test referee. But he’s more from the late 80s or early 90s. Anyway, youre a funny oke.
You remember one mistake Watson has made and you call him a liitle Hitler, wtf?? come on grow up, who was better than Watson?? come on tell me!!! Chris White maybe… hmmm Spreadbury, Marshall? i don’t thing so. I believe Watson handled every match wat better than the rest. But ofcourse, i’m sure you being a ref would always see if the ball goes forward. **** you have no idea how hard it is to handla a match within its laws. I’ve been there, and i respect every ref.
3 Jun 2006, 19:33 pm
and the less said about tappe the better
he thought today was all about him sadly he stuffed up what could have been a good game
3 Jun 2006, 19:38 pm
we also tend to forget a lot of these players played so well a few weeks ago?? i wonder what jakes coaching did??? i reckon stuffed it up
heres one example i dont think youd find a better example
BRENT RUSSEL
he doesnt get a chance on the field, yet hes the one player in the whole squad that can turn a game on its head and he doesnt get sent on
it was also reported he looked the best of all players in the warm up game and in training>?
whats that tell you??
if one player could of sparked a game its him and he was given no chance ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
3 Jun 2006, 19:40 pm
yes he stuffed up this match and a few from Super 14. But we can’t keep on saying that he’s **** et al. He was a good (not brilliant, not perfect, just good) ref in the past. PERIOD!
3 Jun 2006, 19:40 pm
Hahahaha , boks are sit.
Keo, What’s wrong with your bones ??
Sorry i am pissed but you been our big time.
First of all, Spencer is good , marchell is **** >Listen , guys i am pissed , but the boks are not up to standard. It was a sloppy game. Get the best team to play the best
Bye bye
3 Jun 2006, 19:46 pm
Yes Januarie did suck today, but not as much as Jaco Van der Westhuizen, Why oh why is he there he cant, kick he cant attack and when he does find space he never passes, he can’tackle his distribution is average at best Hey other than that he is The best Fly half ever
3 Jun 2006, 19:48 pm
yip, capeflat buddy
i see you hiding. But i forgive you. However i don’t like when somebody just throws in a stupid comment that i’m a novice and that i missed the ’95 final. That was plain stupid. But i’d did miss out on buying the final tickets. But gathered 3 faimlies in one house and had the time of our lives, a memorable day.
3 Jun 2006, 19:51 pm
Tappe thanks for a terrible game, but hey always remember, The_Taurus thought you were GOOD over your carreer THAT SHOULD MAKE IT ALL BETTER. I think you are only as good as your last performance which if it is true you could be the worst REF ever.
3 Jun 2006, 19:54 pm
I still cannot get over how poorly we played
The Springboks had the majority of territory and possession but gave every impression of lacking any ideas, even simple ones.
It started at halfbacks where a podgy Enrico Januarie continued his poor form of the Super 14, passing slowly and poorly and taking good ball for himself. No that the forwards provided a comfortable platform for a scrum-half.
It continued at fly-half where Jaco van der Westhuyzen had a poor game in judgement and execution. But then he had played fullback during the Super 14.
That left the outside backs cut off from the game.
But look at things that happened Рthe sight of Danie Rossouw robbed by little Thomas Castaign̬de, Rossouw plodding towards the touch-line, Wynand Olivier taking a quick throw-in to Albert Olivier with Radike Samo behind him and so clumsily on.
But the worst thing was that Jakes no 2 front row was completely destroyed ….. Jake wake up man
3 Jun 2006, 19:56 pm
indeed, i reffed (not sure if thats a proper word)a few unimportant, trainer matches, and must say i didn’t manage at all there. At ruck time i was able to judge plays properly but when the game started to flow faster, i was way too slow to spot a few important illegal acts. I dont think i’d make a good ref. But on TV i see everything, its just so much easier to spot everything.
3 Jun 2006, 20:09 pm
TAURUS ARE YOU DRUNK MAN WHAT WAS YOUR POST ABOUT(102) no one really cares about you, we are here to discuss BOK RUGBY BRO
3 Jun 2006, 20:16 pm
:] yip i did drink a bit, and must say taht my typing is going better. I dont reallly feel my finghers while typing. A good day today, and not a bad weather as well :] and i’m sure you right, who cares about me, **** i dont even care whta i did some ****** 10 years ago or sth.
cheers deutsche_bok. You’re staying in Germany? Where exactly?
3 Jun 2006, 20:18 pm
oh a deautsche_bok post 102 was a response to post #100. A truthful and **** response i admit, but who cares.
3 Jun 2006, 20:19 pm
SA rugby is piss poor. You only have to watch the CC and S14 performances to understand that. Why the suprise as this performance against a touring team of over 30s who have spebt the last week on the lash?
I thought the Boks played as well as they ever play.
3 Jun 2006, 20:24 pm
lol StMichel,
you just had to say the usual ****… feel sorry for you. What is exactly your point? Whatever, keep on posting, gives me a good laugh.
3 Jun 2006, 21:00 pm
Hi guys
Can’t agree more – we were s^%t today. But have to ask a few questions:
Since when are the locks that played today not worthy? I was always led to believe by everyone (i.e. Bulls supporters) that Pakslae is the best since *** and toothpaste, and all Sharks supporters reckoned Albert is great. Come on, give Cobus his due after today – he really gave Carstens a lesson or 2.
Agree Jaco was shite. Who to replace him when Petoorsie is injured? Hougaardt!!!!????LMFAO
Januarie – do you want to replace him with FDP?!!! I reckon JW should bleed Pienaar NOW. And if we loose a few in the process, so be it. As long as it’s before the WC.
3 Jun 2006, 21:04 pm
World XV played a different game compared to that against England and showed their class.
JW got the general ideas right, good enough to get a win, enough players tried to get them into the test mood and probably realised that Jaco is not the answer any more than Januarie.
The experience and class of the World XV was untroubled by the Bok efforts, with Albert van den berg and AJ venter the only ones to show they belong in the big time.
3 Jun 2006, 21:17 pm
st michel take off you bowler hat free your victorian mind ha ha ha,good one cab,
3 Jun 2006, 21:24 pm
My my my…
And to think that the World XV only played golf at Sun City. Imagine what would have happend had they actually practised !!!
Visagie handed Carstens his *** back to him. Then he fucked up Sephaka. And made Jake look like a poepol. Hopefully Jake learns to keep his trap shut and thinks before he speaks.
And one could see that the Aussie backline specialist really helped. The backline looked so much improved. Really threatening and testing the World XV’s defence and looked like scoring many many tries.
Ja right.
We were kak. Kak kak kak kak kak.
3 Jun 2006, 21:26 pm
Venters punching was out of line,sends bad message to all young kids playing the game,we`ve come a long way since the bad days of bok rugby when punching was prevelant,remember that poor All Black who had his jaw broken,think it was Andy Dalton,is not hard to see why Jake did not make him captain
3 Jun 2006, 21:52 pm
wp
Did you see the poll where we can vote who will win the CC? Do you think WP is named last because their chances are the slimmest of all?:-)
3 Jun 2006, 22:02 pm
ALIBABA2 my blood is blue,so my heart says we should be number one but logic tells me that our rugby is in a bad state at the moment in the cape,thus our low ranking on the poll
3 Jun 2006, 22:10 pm
Last week after reading boasts on this site about how the Boks were going to smash the world xv I posted:
“Although the world xv were thrashed by a second-rate England side, I expect the Boks to loose – or squeek a win against the world xv”.
“England are currently a far more powerful and accomplished rugby nation than SA”.
Is anyone still disagreeing??
3 Jun 2006, 22:13 pm
Just kidding wp
I hope they surprise everybody and take it, but that will take miracles at the moment. I can’t believe union with so much money can go that low.
3 Jun 2006, 22:49 pm
Message to StM (108)
No English side made the European Cup final, England beaten three times in 6N and England seconds just beaten by Scotland seconds in Churchill Cup.
3 Jun 2006, 23:00 pm
Ja, we were pathetic.
Visagie made carstens his b1tch. carstens was totally outscrummed.
There should be a refund for people who bought tickets.
No ways we we deserved to win.
Useless.
3 Jun 2006, 23:03 pm
I hope that you are all seeing the bigger picture!!!!!!
LET’S JAKE IS A CLEVER MAN
3 Jun 2006, 23:11 pm
120!
3 Jun 2006, 23:14 pm
jondood admitted in another thread that he was pissed so I think he sleeping at present. Better so because he is a doos in any case.
3 Jun 2006, 23:25 pm
Why was Nacewa not playing for Fiji? Is he not good enough?
3 Jun 2006, 23:27 pm
Post 19 who is Lets Jake.
3 Jun 2006, 23:30 pm
Dawie,what is the bigger picture ?
Lose everything until the RWC where we qualify for the semis, lose, and then hear the old excuse of ‘anything can happen in a semi final’ ?
3 Jun 2006, 23:32 pm
Dawie come in Dawie.
4 Jun 2006, 00:13 am
The more things change the more they stay the same. It’s time the rugby folk in South Africa come down to earth. For the last few years the Springboks have sucked and yesterdays’ match proved once again how they dither. One would never, ever see any team in an All Black jersey play such pathetic rugby. The Boks are going to struggle if this second string is anything to go by. Humba Kahle
4 Jun 2006, 00:26 am
Welcome to the reality of giving second-stringers their first run-out. Welcome to the reality of the start of the process giving SA rugby some depth at national level.
Stop bitching people, you are merely sounding inane.
St Mich, even your pompous arrogance will never buy an English club victory over a SA provincial side.
4 Jun 2006, 01:26 am
Tape Henning has what the afrikaners call a “moer my gou gesig” (hit me quick face).
Who’s first?
Long may you remain retired (ie. forever).
4 Jun 2006, 01:29 am
even though it was a win ….a bad day in SA rugby indeed….
4 Jun 2006, 02:48 am
Pompies it’s a problem of money. The Fiji rugby union pay their players very little and Nacewa can earn 10 times as much playing in the S14, and for the world xv etc.
Although born in Fiji, Nacewa grew up in Auckland and somehow was tempted when very young to join the Fiji squad for the ’99 world cup, where he earned one cap as a replacement. This means he can never represent his adopted county NZ.
I’m sure he regrets it and NZ regrets it. He would have been a certainty for the enlarged All Black squad.
Never-the-less he will earn plenty of money playing for the Blues in the S14 (this year he was their best player) and hopefully he will make himself available for Fiji in the 2007 world cup. We need to see him on the world stage.
4 Jun 2006, 02:54 am
Pompies,
Nacewa is certainly good enough, but it seems that he does not have the desire to play for Fiji (at this stage anyway).
I think 1 of his parents is Fijian and the other is a NZer. He was born and raised in NZ, but has played 2 mins for Fiji at the 03 World Cup. He certainly would be in the Junior AB’s had he not made this decision.
He said in an interview, when asked about playing those 2 mins, with now not being able to play for the AB’s, that he tries not to think about the ramifications of that decision.
Who knows, he may play for Fiji in the 07 World Cup on the biggest stage.
4 Jun 2006, 02:57 am
Delek,
He was born, raised, and schooled in Auckland.
4 Jun 2006, 04:26 am
Capeflats
Some of our players are not 1st choices either….we have quite a few injuries. Jaco should be 15….and if 10 he should have played there in S!$ but thats not Jake’s fault.
People dont remember what he does good ,he never did in this game but i have seen him (and Pretoors) ignite the backline many a time.Not last night though.
Januarie also gave him wind up **** service and the World teams loosies are certainly ot washed up.
Chabal is fringe Frog 1st team,Magne is French legend,Burke has always been world class,and is no worse than Percy ….atleast he would not have fukked up so badly in giving that try away.
Spencer will have class till he dies,and Marshall WOULD BE AB SCRUMMIE IF HE CHOSE TO BE IN NZ. He chose to leave.
Oh,I forget Castignede 1st choice ,Reihana never a bad game,Ibanez,Hewitt etc….probably more big names than in our side.
But yes, we showed little altho Big Joe and JdV who can BOTH be inconsistent were pretty damned good.
It was a brilliant practise game. Just what we needed.Damned boring though !!!
4 Jun 2006, 04:52 am
Monty’s boot was very goo = 90%
But under the high ball he is nonexistent. This is where I like jaco at 15 more.
That try Monty allowed was pathetic for someone with his experience. He should never even have touched him in the air. He was then so busy pleading ignorance to nobody who cared that his wide open arms let nacewa through. Play the ball ,not the man and play the farging whistle mate.
But then again who are we to talk. i hope Jake gives him a frigging roasting even behind closed doors.
If I were opposition I would target Monty’s weakness all day long !
4 Jun 2006, 05:39 am
Me thinks
Jondood, Grootblou and taurus are one of the same person.
They all work in the IT industry. They can only spell IT so they stuck with it.
There seems to be some consistency of rubbish written with nonsense and swearing.
Pretty limited vocabulary.
4 Jun 2006, 06:41 am
Delek he played in the 2003 World Cup only three years ago so he wasn’t that young. A decision I’m sure he now regrets. This is an example of where I think the IRB should allow a player to play for another country after serving a requirement of say 3 years. Nacewa prob won’t play for Fiji again so the game of rugby loses because a guy of his quality can’t play for any other team. Similarly Kees Lensing couldn’t play for the Boks cos he played for Namibia even though he won’t play for them again. Similarly Pacific Island rugby could benefit as ex All Blacks could turn out for them and strenghten Pacific rugby
4 Jun 2006, 06:42 am
BokInOzzie just let it go
4 Jun 2006, 07:37 am
Bunch of indisciplined pricks! Roussouw and AJ should know better than coming in with cheap shots.
The rest of them lacked any sort of creativity. Totally **** performance.
4 Jun 2006, 07:46 am
What a shocking performance by the Boks, a complete embarrsement.
The only good points to come out the game were:
1.) Percy’s kicking
2.) Solid debuts for Ruan & Olivier
3.) Big Joe doing what he does best in the first half.
4.) Our centre pairing, solid if not spectacular!
5.) Andre Snyman, solid on attack, very strong on defence-caused 2 turnovers.
However, the bad points completely outweight the few good ones:
1.) Shocking Front Row performance in all aspects of the game, showing how weak players like Eddie & Shimi are.
2.) AJ Venter’s discipline
3.) Januarie-who got caught with possesion way to much & gave away stupid penalties.
4.) Gaffie, who was completely useless on defence-anyone realise that both the tries came down his wing.
5.) Jaco’s inability to create anything for the outside backs.
6.) Rossouw, whilst occasionally good with the ball in hand, overall very poor on defence & discipline.
7.) Van Heerdan – too slow for this standard of rugby.
8.) Jake White’s usual tactic of leaving the one player capable of creating some spark in attack on the bench all game -Brent Russell
The only real thing that the game of Rugby on a whole can take out of a match like that is the knowledge that Tapa will never ref another international again – he was a disgrace.
4 Jun 2006, 07:56 am
what about the fact the the boks couldn’t create a try???
there were enough regular boks in the backine to have scored a try!!!
Percy
Jean DV
Jaque Fourie (MIA)
Jaco
Januarie
and isn’t Snyman the current 1st choice wing?
It was an ABSOLUTELY **** GAME and the Boks should feel ashamed.
4 Jun 2006, 08:12 am
KEO YOUR BONES SUCK PAL !!!!
BOKS TO SCORE 50 !!!! hahahaha
“The bones, after an extended spell in rehab, are back and predicting carnage for those yesterday’s heroes, who on Saturday will parade as a World XV.”
4 Jun 2006, 09:13 am
Pete (137) – ja, the front row wass poor, yet you don’t mention the player who suffered worst in the front row, Carstens?
4 Jun 2006, 09:23 am
Wow what is left to be said about that,I am still in shock,did that game really take place. The last time I have felt this disappointed was 24 April 2004 when Sharks lost 5-6 to the Reds in what is the benchmark for poor rugby.
On a brighter note there was Bishops 18-16 triumph over Paul Roos.The rivalry between these institutions dates back to 1876 and this is a fine result for the 8th ranked Bishops over Top School Paul Roos.
4 Jun 2006, 09:48 am
The wp/stormers pack would have done better than the boks.It was poor, Jake are you letting us down now, with poor, old, selection. Boks were outplayed.
4 Jun 2006, 09:50 am
Hey at least we won
4 Jun 2006, 09:58 am
I can’t see which other tight forwards he could have picked. Smit, Du Randt & Matfield sitting with niggles. Botha, other Botha, Steenkamp etc injured.
Playing without a fetcher though – that was daft.
So we won with the 3rd choice pack.
4 Jun 2006, 10:24 am
Stoffel, mcCawesome, Delek
The questions raised regarding Nacewa appearing for the JAB deserve better answers.
If a player is ear tagged for life if they play in the Senior 15, next best 15 or a national 7′s team for one country, how on earth does the IRB allow that to represent another county in ANY other National qualifying team?
Aren’t the JAB the next best designated team out of NZ after the AB’s?
I could care less that those selected were numbers 40 – 65 in the pecking order, we know “A” teams don’t get test status. Reality is, any and potentially all of the players selected for the matches against Ireland and Argentina could get test caps..
Which means the JAB are NZ’s second team below the AB’s, irrespective of where the players appear in the pecking order of the AB selectors.
4 Jun 2006, 10:28 am
Keo, where did you get your bones from?
they arent working .
If you need help i can point you in the right direction.
4 Jun 2006, 10:33 am
My mistake – appologies.
Ignore post 147
4 Jun 2006, 10:45 am
Lol Brads I was struggling to follow you
4 Jun 2006, 11:05 am
What a weekend of schoolboy rugby it was again and some interesting results:
Bishops 18-16 Paul Roos
Maritzburg College 19-15 Affies
Paarl Boys High 16-14 Boland Landbou
4 Jun 2006, 11:06 am
Well I read up till about post 40, when the usual drivel usually gets the best of most, so apologies if I say something already mentioned.
I was generally disappointed with the game, there was no structure or flair so to speak, and I find it hard to see what good teh camp did.
I know our best was not on show, and in some cases our third best player took the field yesterday, but apart from one or two, these guys are not new to the Bok-setup. And I guess that is what bothers me.
Yet again I did not see any player, or rather the team move forward from last year.
First the good stuff.
Don’t worry too much about the result, yes it was poor but we beat a team with some brilliant individuals in the World team. The fact that our pack suffered and we still managed to pull off a win is positive.
Speaking of the pack, it really pisses me off that Joe seems to be a completely different player when he pulls the Bok jersey on.
Joe was the stand out guy in the pack for me with AJ doing allright but I was really disappointed with the yellow. After this year’s S14 I really believed AJ left that **** behind him, seems not – but did anyone actually see a punch? I did not and they weren’t exactly revealing with replays.
Anycase, I don’t want to stand up for the guy if I dont have evidence so lets leave it at that.
But Stan old buddy, he was not the player of the day in my view.
I would like to invite everyone to go watch the game and see how Joe attacked space next to players and not run over them as is the norm in SA rugby, and look how much meters he gained.
True, he did fade a bit in the second but he was the best player on the park in the first 40.
Danie and Albert were disappointing, we have a serious problem with depth at lock.
The front row debate…
Well I always said I am not an expert and nothing has changed. I would just like to figure out why, when the prop issue comes up, do people refer to Os, Carstens, blah blah when they want Cobus in the team.
Carstens is by no-means the best LOOSEHEAD we have and everyone expected him to have a torred time.
Sephaka has become the Shimmie of the Cats with the amount of game time he got so it did not surprise me that he looked rusty, I still rate him though but he is also a LOOSEHEAD.
I am interested in Cobus simply because I believe, apart from BJ and our other injured TIGHTHEAD, we are in deep **** in this department, like we are at lock.
Some guys name 6 props on this blog but fail to realise that we are, or I am, talking about our depth at TIGHTHEAD, yet you name a host of loosehead props.
If anyone can name me 4 decent tightheads I will shut it, and no, not conversions Jake has made, or is trying to make tightheads, the real deal.
Reason for this is every single person that does know a thing or two about playing in the engine room that I spoke to, says tighthead is a specialist position, but also, you only become great as you get older, i.e. late twenties.
Name me any class tighthead who is a specialist, not converted, and over the age of 25.
The World team’s first try also came from a brilliant right shoulder on our 5 meter line which gave them oodles of space on the blindside with very little defenders – this is test match rugby stuff, and obviously, to me at least, Cobus is the unsung hero of that first try.
On the backline, January was piss-poor but then I never quite rated him, simply because I think he is not a thinking type player and he has more brainfarts than moments of brilliance. His service is also bloody slow lately, and this hop-skip-pass bloody tactic pisses me off and puts your whole backline under pressure from the word go.
I have yet to see Jaco run straight since 2004.
Our problems in the backline starts at 9 and 10, and those two were beyond kak yesterday.
Jean Div had an interesting game. I really thought his work rate was brilliant, as was his defence. he also seems to gain meters in the tackle and takes 2 defenders with him all the time, but I guess that is the problem I have, he is becoming another DeWet.
It is fine when you click with your flyhalf and outside center and you are able to off-load after you have taken in 2 defenders, but they and he always go to ground and set up another ruck.
Not a bad game from him though, but nothing to make me believe he is our saviour in backline play and heaven forbid, has the most flair in SA.
Fourie and the two wings did not have much to do, because they did not get much ball, but I would like to ask some of you okes to tell me why Snyman and Gaffie were kak?
What did they do yesterday that was so kak?
They had one or two runs, provided cover at the back for Percy and Gaffie’s boot yet again proved crucial.
Talking of Percy, his one mistake again brings out all the Percy haters – it is quite pathetic really.
I guess you forget that Johan Roets made the same ****-up last year and it basically cost his team the CC.
Percy was never caught out of position at the back, and as Marshall said, they kicked a **** lot more.
When he did attack or join the line he looked good and if it wasn’t for a slightly forward pass we would have had a try in which he was heavily involved in.
Scoring 27 points on his own also highlights his value to the team.
The subs did nothing to impress or give the necesary fire I expected them to.
Man of the Match: Chabal – can’t believe he is not in the French setup.
4 Jun 2006, 11:20 am
PA – some quality comments. Good judgement on JdV – I hope he only seemed another DWB due to the flyhalf play yesterday. Never once did he get good running ball.
As for your prop debate – which is well laid out – I think you would only find 3′s like that in the Boland/Valke/Pumas/Griquas sort of teams, players that have been serving the team for 3/4/5 years scrumming their guts out – and they never get a representitive look-in anyway.
Percy screwed up by trying not to screw up. Great judgement pulling out the tackle, but then forgot to carry on playing.
4 Jun 2006, 11:34 am
CHeers gecko,
I actually think he thought Nacewa has gone to ground, or will…
It was just bad luck, but he should have competed a bit more for the ball, i.e. jump perhaps.
We find Ozzies are very good in these situations, but our SA guys, apart from Habs & Ndungane (who were great chasers) and what happened with the BUlls this year an FDP’s box kicks, no-one seems to want to commit on a 50/50 ball.
4 Jun 2006, 11:50 am
Percy was about 2m to far away to jump for it.
4 Jun 2006, 11:53 am
Pissand
Good comments my man.
4 Jun 2006, 11:57 am
Whashappening?
4 Jun 2006, 11:57 am
Not to catch it out of the air gecko, but only once it bounced, that is what Nacewa did, but it is easier to jump going forward when the ball is going forward too.
Anycase, a mistake, but it happens to anyone, I saw far worst **** on the field yesterday.
Cheers veltie
4 Jun 2006, 11:57 am
goeiemore kerels.
Hoe lyk dinge?
4 Jun 2006, 11:58 am
PA – very good comments.
You mentioned everyhting except for Wickus.
I cant believe these guys can say he was poor or average yesterday! How many tackles did he make, I lost count at 6 turnovers after 50 minutes. If wasnt tackling he was 1st to the brakedown everytime, so to these guys out there -OPEN YOUR f$^&*ING EYES!!!
What did AJ do in the game?? and Joe only played well in the 1st half!
You guys make me madd
4 Jun 2006, 12:00 pm
Were any of you boys at the 7′s yesterday? Kenya klapped the aussies. I almost felt sorry for them. Whenever tehy touched the ball the Poms were booing the **** out of them. Last match of teh day, Oz got their revenge though by beating the Poms very convincingly.
4 Jun 2006, 12:01 pm
No no no no no no NOOOO! We’ll get our buts kicked by the aussies and the kiwis if we keep on playing like this! First of all, our forwards were bullied and didn’t win the fight. Cobus Visagie had an outstanding game and Jake has too pick him with BJ and Os on the bench. Then secondly, the ball never went passed Jean de Villiers in first fase atacking. We should have won this game much further. I’ve accepted it but it’s bloody bad if you think about it, SA teams will always play boring, oldfasioned and conservative rugby. The only team who plays good running, exciting rugby is the Sharks. Come on Jake! Wake up and start playing like the kiwis or the sharks.
4 Jun 2006, 12:01 pm
Any enemy of Australia is a friend of mine.
4 Jun 2006, 12:02 pm
lol skim
just add the poms
4 Jun 2006, 12:02 pm
Skim – maar vir wie skreeu jy as Engeland en Aussie teen mekaar speel? Gelykop?
4 Jun 2006, 12:03 pm
And the yanks….
4 Jun 2006, 12:03 pm
Veltie
Jy boo altwee
4 Jun 2006, 12:04 pm
…nee wag beter: Skree vir die ref
4 Jun 2006, 12:05 pm
hahahahah. Bloemleeu, dit was lekker. Aan my linker was kakies bek-af en aan my regterkant was aussies bek-af. Ons boertjies kon nie minder omgee nie.
4 Jun 2006, 12:05 pm
Bloem,
I did not – weird.
Anycase, he was not bad, he did the hard graft – but as you know, I am a big believer in combinations, and to me the combo in the loose forward department simply did not gel well.
But yeah, to say he was kak is a bit rich. Actually I cannot remember him making one mistake, but also, he was not prominant – but ask the WP loosies what happens when you have ot play of the backfoot…
4 Jun 2006, 12:09 pm
Skim,
Your postings using only numbers showed you in better light.
(like your off the stuff)
4 Jun 2006, 12:09 pm
Wikus only looked poor as we played with AJ on the other flank – so Wikus was expected to play fetcher. Not his role, never has been. AJ was much worse yesterday than W.
4 Jun 2006, 12:10 pm
PA -The biggest disappointment wasnt the score, but the way the tight 5 played, they were totally over shadowed.
JDV as you mentioned are starting to play like Barry. Where are the times when a 12 got the attention of both centres and then offload to a speeding 13 on his shoulder. The bad thing is he never looked like passing the ball
4 Jun 2006, 12:14 pm
Bloem,
As a Stormers supporter I knwo all too well what a kak tight 5 means, luckily we had better class at the back and Monty’s boot.
4 Jun 2006, 12:15 pm
Pissant
yes Pecy kicked dmned well. Not saying he shouldnt be in the team etc etc ,but i prefer Jaco at 15 as he can take a high ball. Percy has been around since 97 I think. He is our veteran and 1st choice 15. That similar mistake keeps reoccuring. And it results in tries against us rather often.
If it was some or other mistake,hey as you say mistakes happen ,and yes he was good for 27 points….but its the (in)consistency of his taking the high ball that has me crapping on the couch each game. It is his weakness. Unless there’s nobody around.
Yes Roets screwed it last year at CC final and also got ripped for it. When it turns into points against which can be crucial they need to take the wrap.These guys are our last line of defence. Imagine Chris Latham doing that. I dont think so. A little more balls please boys. Oh ,and while about it….eyes on the balls too please.
4 Jun 2006, 12:16 pm
Good points PA
Taking a rational look at what is available in this country I have found the following:
Loosehead Prop
There is of course Os the elder statesman,he is ably supported by Gurthro Steenkamp and I do believe given opportunity Sephaka will be a Test standard LOOSEHEAD,not a tighthead.Eddie Andrews has covered this position adequately in the past.In Heinke v/d Merwe there is a huge talent coming through,but he still needs to be nurtured.
Deon Carstens did himself no favours yesterday and still has a lot to proove.
Tighthead Prop
CJ v/d Linde fit and in form is a huge talent, but is still on a learning curve.Pat Barnard is another who is reaching maturity now and must not be forgotten.BJ Botha is yet to be tried at the highest level,but has really impressed of late.Cobus Visagie is undoubtedly the best South African tighthead in the game at present.
Hooker
John Smit is a much undervalued performer and is without peer as player and captain.Gary Botha is another superb player and has good leadership qualities.In Schalk Brits we have possibly the most dynamic hooker in world rugby at present. Hanyane Shimange will get the job done,but adds little to any team.Tiaan Liebenberg was for me the form SA hooker in Super 14 this season and if he can maintain this form will always be a threat.There are also some fine talents in this department,none more than Chilliboy Ralepele. Danie Coetzee is also an experienced campaigner and solid performer
Locks
What is there behind Bakkies and Vic?Albert is getting on and Danie Roussouw I’m afraid is not of international standard.The return of Selborne Boome and good form of Hottie Louw should be noted and in Skeate,Bekker,Muller and van Schouwenburg there is a bright future.Add to this the availability of Johan Ackerman who is a massive presence and true enforcer.
Openside
Schalk is the best in the business and must be played here.In Tiyabilika and Dlulane we have two solid back-ups and Luke Watson is a fine fetcher,wether liked or not.Kabamba Floors has done well for the Cheetahs,but lacks mongrel. Hendro Scholtz has never attained the heights expected of him.Warren Britz has shown the way for the old-dogs and Cobus Grobler has shown he has plenty talent.Jaqcues Botes of the Sharks is for my money the real deal,versatile and super value he will wear green and gold at this rate.
Blindside
No shortage of options here.There is all-star Juan Smith,the hardman AJ Venter,the tireless Wikus van Heerden and throw in Jacques Cronje,though he has performed poorly this year.
No.8
Joe van Niekerek seems to raise his game for the Boks and will vie with the in-form Pedrie Wannenburg.Pierre Spies is an amazing talent and needs only to decide where to play.Ernst Joubert of the Cats had a good season and will be a man to watch in the Currie Cup.
Of the overseas loosies Shaun Sowerby is reportedly in good form and Jake Boer is a legend in the UK.
Scrumhalf
An embarrasment of riches for sure.Fourie,Ruan Pienaar and out of form Januarie all have the ability.One feels Bolla is passed his expiry date as with de Kock and Davidson.Paul Delport leads the charge of the youth with Vermaak, Carse and Adams coming through the ranks.Michael Claasens is for my money not good enough.
Flyhalf
This is a real headache.With the flaky Pretorious and unreliable v/d Westhysen top of the pile.Wether or not Butch James can return successfully remians to be seen and Meyer Bosman has a lot to learn.Naas Olivier is a good talent and in Hougaard we have a mercurial talent.Steyn has not enhanced his reputation this year and the rest are a pretty poor bunch.
Wings
Another area of concern the retreaded centre Habana leads the way and when fit Willemse has shown good form.The Ndungane twins had good seasons,but are not top class.Gaffie du Toit is an absolute anomaly.Perhaps the veteran Andre Snyman can add some much needed value.Henno Mentz has shown great form at regional level,but didn’t grab his chances at higher levels.There are a few exciting youngsters,but players like Tonderai Chavangha,Jongi Nokwe and Rayno Benjamin have been found wanting.Giscard Pieters is simply not Test material and Wylie Human is past his prime.
Centre
Cursed or Gifted?anyones guess.There is no doubting the talent of Jean de Villiers and Jacques Fourie and De Wet Barry and Marius Joubert have played well before.The youth brigade led by Wynand Olivier,Brad Barritt and Ronnie Cooke are as exciting as they come.The playmaking abilities of Wayne Julies are not to be discarded either.There is depth in the midfield.
Fullback
Percy is still the oldhand.In Johan Roets,Brent Russell and Conrad Jantjes there is experienced backup.The youth are again well represented and JP Pietersen is a sublime talent.Throw in the youngsters like Gio Aplon,Shandre Frolick and Marius Delport and there is plenty yet to come.
Earl Rose is no doubt talented,but needs to up his defensive game.
4 Jun 2006, 12:21 pm
gecko and PA
Lets have a look at the loosies yesterday and the work they was required to do and what they actually did.
-WvH was the fetcher- He got about 7 or 8 turnovers, and he made a lot of takckles. He did his job 100%
-Joe made good tackles too and carried the ball well in the 1st half but then faded I will give him 90% first half rating and 50% secondhalf.
-AJ was he even on the park yesterday, except for the lineouts. Did he make any yards? I cant even rate him on that performance if I can call it that.
-Pedrie made a lot more impact in the game even though he made a mistake or two.
So the question we have to ask ourselfes, was it the combination that didn’t work or if one guy didn’t do his job!
4 Jun 2006, 12:31 pm
Rasta,
Well summed up buddy.
It is all about the right combinations for me. We have the quality, but we are getting our combo’s wrong.
Hooker; You hit it, I am on record not being a huge Schalk fan, but he reminds me of Uli but just need the mongrel I love in hookers. Liebenberg was also my hooker for the S14, but John is our best – still.
I really hope Jake has a look-in at Boome, he is back in SA and he can only add value in a department we are not looking to good at if we consider the WC.
I am afraid, that although the Bekkers, Skeate’s and Van Schouw’s (who for me will become a legend) we have run out of time to properly blood them.
On the loosies, I believe that Botes, like Smith is a thinking player, and will be one of the best in years to come – but I would seriously consider him for blindside or 8th man. His vision and skills will be a great asset as a link between backs and forwards, a skill or job not needed for an opensider.
Flyhalf is a majot concern, I will like to see Bosman at 12 in the future – but yeah, headache of note.
ddrek,
It is a major weakness of Monty, there is no doubt and I also cringe when a bomb goes up. I used Roets just highlighting that **** happens, Roets is actually the best under the high ball in my opinion. But it was just to shut some neigh-sayers up jumping on the hate-bandwagon because a player they dispise made one mistake.
Hate me for it, but I would play Monty at 10.
4 Jun 2006, 12:36 pm
Bloem,
I will stick by my point on combinations – for me that did not work.
AJ is not a good blindsider imo, much better 8th man, same with Wikus, not a fetcher – which is why I guess Joe looked the part for a bit in the game and not the others.
Some comment above also mentioned the World team playing extremely negatively yesterday, and I agree fully, and I believe it is also something we need to consider.
Does anyone have the penalty count?
4 Jun 2006, 12:37 pm
PA – yip, currently the lack of 10′s puts Monty in the picture, with Jaco at 15 where he can counter, and not be expected to get a backline away.
Anyway, sun in shining, girlfriend has at last got up so off to a wine bar in the sun I go.
4 Jun 2006, 12:40 pm
PA
19 -13 in favour of Boks
4 Jun 2006, 12:41 pm
PA
Its all water under the bridge. Well Im looking forward to the tests because we can only get better.
As for Monty at 10 wouldn’t be a bad Idea, because I dont rate Jaco as a flyhalf, he even had a poor game against the Shimlas.
I will pick monty at 10 until Petoors are back.
PS JDV must play wing with Snyman at 12 and Bosman should play 12 asswell
4 Jun 2006, 12:41 pm
36 penalties (22-14 to the Bok XV)
maybe this explains it all:
http://www.suparugby.co.za/Pages/Default.asp?More=Bokke%20Tap%20dance%20to%20Henning’s%20tune&FeatureID=7172&SectionID=1
4 Jun 2006, 12:42 pm
My penalty count from http://www.superrugby.co.za
4 Jun 2006, 12:43 pm
Is it possible that all of you(thats all you Saffa Bloggers on here)so weight down your team and coaches with criticism that the weight and expectation is too much for them to carry.
If any of them ever logged onto this site they would be hard pressed to remain positive thereafter.
Look at the positives;
-you won.
-this was probably going to be the worst performance of the yr.
-many of your star players are yet to return.
-it does appear JW has “a plan”
-there were many old foxes in that w15.
4 Jun 2006, 12:43 pm
Snyman played 12 in Straueli’s first test, then got dropped. Why, he can’t pass. Never could.
4 Jun 2006, 12:44 pm
gecko
Is that any different from Barry or JDV??
4 Jun 2006, 12:46 pm
… if you have to crash ball, Andre is heavier and more powerfull
4 Jun 2006, 12:46 pm
Can’t believe everyone is on Tappe’s back … had he let the game flow, the World XV would have put at least 50 points on the board. I’ll say it again, Tappe and the injury to Carlos saved the Boks from embarrasment.
Sorry, Bloem Leeu, cannot agree with you on Wikus – he is **** and Pedrie should have started. Unfortunately form doesn’t count in SA anymore.
4 Jun 2006, 12:48 pm
Not from Barry, but JdV can pass. The problem, we took so long so get the ball down the line, by the time the ball got JdV, Castaignede was serving tea and biscuits next to Fourie, so we never could shift the ball.
4 Jun 2006, 12:48 pm
Kevin
On form from the S14 Wickus is the best no 7 by far twat,
4 Jun 2006, 12:51 pm
gecko – that brings us back to the Flyhalf, which played ****, so point taken
4 Jun 2006, 12:51 pm
cane,
Rugby is entertainment and probably the biggest entertainment money spinner in the country. If Jake and his OUT-OF-FORM plonkers don’t entertain, then I have every right to criticise – that’s what they are paid to do. It’s like going to watch the Metallica and the do Backstreet Boys covers!!!!
The only real entertainment was old Chabal … what a character – he looks and behaves like Monster from the Muppits!!!
4 Jun 2006, 12:52 pm
Bloem Leeu,
That’s why the Cats had more success when he wasn’t playing!!!
4 Jun 2006, 12:54 pm
And how **** were the commentators … they had the two World XV centres wrong the whole game. I sometimes wonder what people in all spheres of SA rugby get paid for?
4 Jun 2006, 12:55 pm
What success??
And if you are a Bulls supporter, then I dont need to argue with you!!… your mother is calling run off!
4 Jun 2006, 13:01 pm
okay, Bloem Leeu – the Cats had more success when their inspirational captain (who looks like he is always about to burst into tears) and form no. 7 according to you was injured.
So i’ll run off to my mom now – she knows more about rugby than you clearly
4 Jun 2006, 13:08 pm
Kewin
Wickus is the or close to the best no7 in SA and if you didn’t or cant see it…
Go **** yourself!!!
Sorry IG
4 Jun 2006, 13:20 pm
Kevin W (197)
LOL…
4 Jun 2006, 13:35 pm
no comment
4 Jun 2006, 13:38 pm
I believe bringing Andre Snyman back to SA and playing him on the wing was an inspired choice. Look at the facts, top countries like England (who played Cohen & currently Cueto) usually have a big powerful winger. Snyman is very good on defense, is still quite quick and has improved on his handling skills considerably. When you add to this the fact that he is one of the few South African exports to have prooven experience & individual success playing in the North,then you have something SA rugby needs.
4 Jun 2006, 13:45 pm
Pete77,
Your comment”Top countries like England”, is flawed.
England are not a top ranked Rugby nation.#5 if I recall.
Also “success playing in the North”, well most top Southern hemisphere players are able to extend their careers by going north because the game is less intense up there.
4 Jun 2006, 13:48 pm
Also, the team Andre Snyman played for was relegated …
4 Jun 2006, 13:53 pm
My review.
**b>What a load of bollocks
I was at the World XV vs. Springbok XV match. The problems started when the World XV set out determined to be the first such team to beat the Springboks. And the Springboks set out determined to defend an unbeaten home record. It made for dour uninspiring stuff. A level of ineptitude added to the occasion. And having paid R300 consigned it to the scrapheap of things I wish to forget.
Let me get this out of the way. Deon Carstens must never don a Springbok jersey again. There is no defence of his drilling at the hands of Cobus Visagie. 20 minutes into the second half, he required medical attention, such was his annihilation. Cobus Visagie was impressive. None more so than when his enormous effort set up the World XV’s first try. To fail to recognise this is to ignore the sight of the entire World XV high fiving Visagie as he retreated from the scrum that set up the try. Hats off sir. Jake White’s arrogant remarks on Boots & All were a shame and you showed that.
On the subject of those remarks, Jake should learn. I was taught that if one has nothing good to day, rather keep quiet. Jake, you should learn the lesson. Your pre-match commentary has attacked Bill Young, the Irish and the World XV. You appear to have the makings of a great coach. But keep your trap shut. I would have no compunction in telling that to your face. Why could you not merely have said, “I do not believe Cobus is one of our best props at this stage, but hey Cobus, prove me wrong.” Instead you said, “I am right and you are wrong” in so many words when you said, “I will not be watching Cobus this Saturday, I’ll be watching Deon.” Sheer arrogance and pride. As the saying goes, “Pride cometh before a fall.”
Enough about that rant. Let’s move on.
As much as Carstens’ drilling was complete, I must come to the defence of Eddie Andrews. Many have jumped into the fray to criticise his performance after this match. Many have named each black player. Shame on you. I sat on Eddie’s side of the field during the second half. Tappe Henning paid complete attention to the other side of the scrum where Visagie continued his showing against Sephaka. Sephaka was an improvement on Carstens, but certainly also suffered. But on Eddie’s side, Dave Hewett refused to bind, and all things considered, Eddie stood up well. Further, he was one of the few forwards committed to ruck time and cleared the ball very quickly twice in one move during the first twenty minutes. Given my passion for quick clearance at ruck time, that brought tears to my eyes.
Which brings me to Januarie. Jake betrays his teaching past by making selections based on history or favouritism (teachers pet?). Januarie is low on form and fitness. Further he was low on spark and one has to question his lack of attack around the fringes of a scrum against a team with limited time together and as such, suspect defensive patterns.
Jaco van der Westhuyzen looked similarly poor. His kick straight up the middle of the field towards the end of the first half brought back memories of his poor tactics against the Crusaders. He continues to blow hot and cold as he has done in the Springbok jersey. We cannot afford to alternate the jersey between Pretorius and Van der Westhuyzen just to motivate the guys. It is time to move beyond them.
On the subject of moving on. Players with records who continue to misbehave must be told they have no future in the game. AJ and Roussouw’s truculent behaviour is tiresome and could have cost us the game. On a purely sporting note, anybody who strikes a blow from behind deserves to wear yellow for the rest of their playing career – not merely receive it as a card. What is with South African players – Burger Geldenhuys, Kobus Wiese, AJ and Danie Roussouw: I’d rather go down in a losing heap than lose my honour by taking a cheap shot. If you’re cowards in a fight, you’re probably lacking in values and effort in other areas of the game too.
Now, somewhere Jake was right. Jean de Villiers looked a different player today than in the Super 14. Granted it was a small step up, but the making his tackles and looking to be involved as captain was a pleasant change. He made one or two breaks but failed to set anything up due to the generally slow play from his half backs. Big Joe and Jaque Fourie made some good runs. Fourie suffered for the same reason De Villiers did, and Big Joe lacked support runners.
Monty kicked well. Apparently he did not make a tackle on Nacewa to avoid giving a penalty. I’d have rather seen him give the penalty. Watching the tape, it was a piss-poor effort, and if he’d timed his tackle, there would have been no problem at all.
I cannot judge Gaffie or Snyman on the basis of today’s performance. Given the style of the game, it was not possible to draw any conclusions. However, SA teams do not chase kicks, and fullbacks look silly when their wings do not drop back on the assist and chase a upfield kick. This can also be said of today’s game. Nevertheless, I remain to be convinced that either Snyman or Gaffie deserve their place ahead of the Ndungane brothers.
Wannenberg made a big difference when he came on today, and between him and Van Niekerk, we have two fine runners with the ball in hand. However, loosies must hunt in packs and today we were shown up for failing to do what the Kiwis do so well – running support from pick-and-goes, rucks or scrums. This invariably results in turnovers or slow ball.
Shimange was average – his throwing in was good but it was difficult to assess his scrumming inside of Carstens. Van den Berg looked similarly average, and it boggles my mind that a player from the Sharks reserve bench was elevated to the starting line-up. Surely this was an opportunity to blood Johann Muller – who played ahead of him for the Sharks.
For the World XV, I was disappointed. I would have expected them to throw the ball around a bit more – in pursuit of a win but with less caution regarding a loss. It was truly a great team and I doubt we’ll see another like it for a long time to come. I am looking forward to the match against Krige’s WP XV next Friday – I believe we might see more of the festival rugby we missed today. All of that said, the World XV were good on defence and in rucks and mauls when considering they don’t usually play together. Chabal was very impressive.
But there was one moment I jumped out of my seat in appreciation of skill and vision – Carlos’ banana kick 26 minutes in. The man is sublime and I wish he’d finished his rugby in SA rather than the UK.
Now onto what to take away from this match. Not a lot. The Boks will make a lot of changes. So would I. And more radical ones than Jake is likely to make. Monty has slowed up with age, but is wiser and the general the Boks need at flyhalf. Put him there.
Further the Boks look as creative as a white-painted wall. We need more tries. Put Habana in at outside center. Put Fourie inside him. Believe me it will work. It gives us crash ball at 12 and creativity at 13. Further, both Fourie and Habana run good lines.
It won’t happen, but put Akona Ndungane at wing and if Jean de Villiers decides to play, him on the other. Otherwise Odwa Ndungane.
Bring Bevin Fortuin in at the back. Now that’s a line that would run many sides ragged.
Since my previous selection, I’ve made a few changes based on form in the final few matches of the Super 14 – and some changes in thinking. We need more on attack. My team (free of injury):
First Choice Second Choice
15. Bevin Fortuin Brent Russell
14. Akona Ndungane Giscard Pieters
13. Bryan Habana Jean de Villiers
12. Jaque Fourie De Wet Barry
11. Odwa Ndungane JP Pietersen
10. Percival Montgomery Jaco van der Westhuyzen
9. Ruan Pienaar Fourie du Preez
8. Joe van Niekerk Pedrie Wannenburg
7. Juan Smith Tim Dlulane
6. Schalk Burger Luke Watson
5. Victor Matfield Ross Skeate
4. Bakkies Botha Johann Muller
3. Cobus Visagie Eddie Andrews
2. John Smit Schalk Brits
1. JD Moller Lawrence Sephaka
4 Jun 2006, 15:28 pm
The 2006 Boks are going to be easybeats.
4 Jun 2006, 15:42 pm
Yes Tackler,
And your “B-team” only managed a 18 point victory over Fiji.
The Maori’s scraped against a S14 team.
You have never won a World Cup
I remember you saying that it will be 4 NZ teams in the S14 semi’s aswell earlier this year.
We convincingly beat NZ at home in the last two years, and lost out in the last minutes to NZ at home (I can’t say lost against you because you are a wannabee NZ supporter)
For more years you idiotic twat.
4 Jun 2006, 15:44 pm
remind us all again quickly where Fiji is on the world rankings, and then use your expert analasys and rate each fiji player against that of the world XV to substatiate your expert opinion.
our 2nd, even 3rd team beat a world XV, what have you done so far?
4 Jun 2006, 15:46 pm
Storm_Saam
I would like to take issue with a few of your observations above.
1. Carston vs Visagie. I have mentioned in a previous thread that it is difficult to judge Carstons too harshly on this game based on the locks behind him and the fact that Visagie just scrums illegally and gets pinged for it at least 3 times. (He was actually on a warning for it) and cost his team 6 points. Visagie should be smart enough by now to scrum on the edge of the law and not the wrong side of the law. He is a liability and always was in the Bok jersey.
2. Jake Whites comments on Visagie. It is very funny how you put your own spin and interpretation on his comments. My interpretation of what he said is exactly what you said he should have said i.e. ” “I do not believe Cobus is one of our best props at this stage, but hey Cobus, prove me wrong.†Come on of course he is going to say that he will be watching Deon and not Visagie – FFS he has to watch and support his own selections!!! He NEVER ruled out Visagie. On B & A he finished by saying “hey the door is not closed on any player.” HOW DO YOU INTERPRET THAT!!!
3. Danie Rossouw – I think you need to look at that on the tape again. He was going for the ball. It was not a deliberate klap from behind – clumsy and slow but deliberate with intent. You really need to be fair in judgement!
4 Jun 2006, 15:49 pm
Sorry ….NOT deliberate with intent
4 Jun 2006, 16:05 pm
The biggest EVER Bok win over the All Blacks in all of test history over NZ was the 17-0 thumping delivered in Durban back in 1928.
4 Jun 2006, 16:09 pm
And, Pissant, NZ and SA share equally the number of RWC’s won and not won.
One apiece.
4 Jun 2006, 16:16 pm
TheTackler
Lets not forget the fact that SA has played one less RWC.
Hence we have a higher success rate.
4 Jun 2006, 16:55 pm
my friend in Manawatu say he knows the tickler,little runt that is often seen in sheep pens with his pants down
4 Jun 2006, 17:09 pm
Australia 1-1 Holland
4 Jun 2006, 17:10 pm
Tackler (210)
I think at that time a try was worth 3 points and conversion 1.
4 Jun 2006, 17:13 pm
I told you guys that Eddie would do well against Dave Hewet. And for once none of you buggers have anything on Eddie. He scrummed a hell of alot better than Deon and also better than Lawrence. I’m sure Jake agrees with me, thats why he didnt bring on Jannie Du Plesis. Eddie is one if the strongest scrumagers in SA. The problem you people have is that you are either racist, or you misiterpret the role of a prop. His primary job is to scrum, second to that is to ruck and maul, third is to suport the lineout jumper and the rest come after theese. He does what he has to with distinction. Need I remind you that your favourd C.J v/d Linde was crushed by Graham Rowntree. And need I remind you that Rowntree couldnt move Eddie. GIVE CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE!!!!!!!!!!1
4 Jun 2006, 18:36 pm
This article is a little unfair on both teams as at no point do I see Mr. Borchardt address the woeful reffing display by Mr. Henning – this played a massive role in the diabolical rugby seen yesterday – referee never allowed some festival leniancy??? The fact that anyone on that park got paid yesterday was a disgrace and I think that SARPA, SARU and the sponsors should be ashamed at the ticket pricing fiasco – PS: Jake don’t say nything about the ticket prices hey!
4 Jun 2006, 19:35 pm
jondood, hw are you buddy. As promised had a massive T bone for you yesterday. How is the soggy island????
4 Jun 2006, 22:08 pm
tackler,
do i need to remind you again that in 1987 it was not a world cup, it was an invitational event where teams were invited, they did not qualify.
you did not win a world cup yet.
four more years twat.
4 Jun 2006, 22:17 pm
5 Jun 2006, 00:31 am
PissAnt,(post 210).
While abusing Tackles is encouraged i must take issue with your clain that SA has won a Rugby World Cup.
While the Name SA may be etched upon it. Win it you certainly did not.
A game of rugby is 80 minutes.
At the end of 80 minutes the match was tied, therefore the title was shared.
If it were not for that **** Suzie, you could not even claim a share in the Title.
As for Our glorious victory at the inaugural WC,if SA was not given an invitation to attend that is SA’s problem.
5 Jun 2006, 00:44 am
Pathetic, absolutely pathetic. The Boks could not even score a try against a team that spent more time in the Pubs than on the field training!
As for the much vaunted Bok pack, it got murdered.
The Boks are going to have to vastly improve if they are going to be competitive in the Tri Nations.
Tappe Henning was disgraceful-never allowed the game to flow and thus made sure he was the centre of attention.
5 Jun 2006, 01:34 am
Post 213 tell us more.
5 Jun 2006, 01:35 am
Na never mind he’s just a Kiwi wanabe plonker.
5 Jun 2006, 01:37 am
Pissant (post 206),
This was not our “B” team, it was closer to our “D” team.
While it sounds better to say so when arguing with tackler, it is not true to the facts.
39 players have been picked for the AB’s squad. At least 6 players are injured who Henry has said would make the AB’s (James Ryan, Sione Lauaki, Nick Evans, Andrew Ellis, Conrad Smith, and Angus MacDonald [Derrin Witcombe]).
This takes the total to 46 (including Witcombe).
When you also take into account guys like Ruben Thorne, Jonno Gibbes, and even Tana (which makes 49 players), who have decided not to play at this level or, in Gibbes case, has been put in the Maori squad for leadership purposes, this Junior AB’s team is about #s 50+ on the AB’s selectors minds.
Hardly our “B” team!
5 Jun 2006, 01:43 am
post 225 you can only field 15 players and when dem kiwi’s play da boks it is always their best players that are played why is this.Maybe TT can explain.Sorry I forgot it is da Queens birthday today he’s down on da farm with da sheep.
5 Jun 2006, 01:50 am
The Junior AB’s got named on the sunday, they got together on the monday, would have had a light training, then spent the following couple of days training and then a day getting over to fiji and acustomising and then 1 training over there. The springboks have had alot longer than that to prepare and couldn’t even get a try against a team which had barely trained. I would hardly call it you b,c or d team considering you have players like fourie, de villiers, venter, wannenburg, van niekirk etc. in it. As for the maoris they have had the same time to prepare and are up against super 14 semi finalist who have had a whole season together. A team of new zealands best maori players, no matter how good they are, are not going to smash a solid team like that, winning a game is much more than having all the players, most is team cohesion and how well you play together
5 Jun 2006, 01:58 am
pompies,
your missing my point, although I am thinking you are just trying the tackler out (so to speak).
I am well aware of how many players we are allowed to put on the field. However, you wait for the 3 nations. The AB’s top 15 will be at least slightly different each time. A case in point is that Henry has already stated that he is going to try Muliaina at 13 this season. This can really only happen some time in the 3 nations.
My point in post 225 was that that this is not our 2nd 15 (as Pissant stated), and it is a fabrication of the facts to say so. Therefore, the point that Pissant was trying to make (that our 2nd stringers could only bear Fiji by 18 points) is a manipulation on reality.
5 Jun 2006, 02:06 am
I can take you a bet that if Henry loses his first game no maybe his second he will quickly rush in his big boys so to speak. An example will be when they go to Sa for there two test matches, this I’m really looking forward to cause there will be no excuses there after.From da Jaapies that is.
5 Jun 2006, 02:19 am
The 2 tests in SA for the AB’s are going to be a great reality test/check for this expanded AB squad, as I think Henry will continue to use this tactic until the Nthern Hemisphere tour. He is saying that that tour is like a dummy WC run, as there are 4 good test matches on 4 consecutive weekends (assuming we are playing England A; maybe 3, depending on the Welsh).
At this time, he will become more settled on his squad. However, in many positions, there is not much between #s 1 and 2 in a given position, and Henry is quite vocal about the need to have quality back-ups in each position (referring to the MacDonald decision at centre in the semi in 03).
5 Jun 2006, 02:29 am
Point of thought with regards to this huge squad he has formed , did Sir Clive not use the same formula for his big Lions tour of the land of da long white cloud?
5 Jun 2006, 03:05 am
wpforever post# 213;
don’t be insulting, I’m from Manawatu and our sheep have much better judgement than that!
Not speaking from experience of course
5 Jun 2006, 03:13 am
He He I knew some Kiwi would jump on that one no pun intended.
5 Jun 2006, 03:51 am
how did andre snyman play??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
5 Jun 2006, 04:46 am
Pompies,
A favourite position in the Manawatu area, is to conduct the above lurid activity on the edge of a cliff.
i.e.
The sheep push back harder.
5 Jun 2006, 05:05 am
cane, dare ya to say that to Mark Shaw, or even Jason Eaton
5 Jun 2006, 06:16 am
good on you Tana,Officer of the New Zealand Order of Merit from the Queen and her corgis
5 Jun 2006, 07:28 am
should have been tappe saves the boks.
5 Jun 2006, 08:22 am
The greatest out come of this meaningless game is that Boks don’t have depth. Without first choice tight 5 we were murdered. Once our tight 5 started going back the rest of the team couldn’t find any rithm. I really believe that JW’s obsession over contituity by picking players who played for him but totaly out of form and not giving experience to other in better form will get boks to the situation where they will have only 15 international class players in the whole SA and the rest will be poor.The 2-nd or even 3-d all blacks team would have had a better game on Saturday.
5 Jun 2006, 09:50 am
Did anyone see how much the entire World Xv backline was offside! They were offside alot, how can the ref yellow card rhe entire backline. I think the Boks did well, they beat a team that was spoiling the game
5 Jun 2006, 10:36 am
the ellis park crowd should have demanded their money back for this ****
henning should never be allowed to come close to a rugby ground again
the refs society should be investigated onthe appointment of henning to this game when his record speaks for himself
all in all a disgrace
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