Comments on: World pack dominates Boks

By: wicked wugby wascal

wicked wugby wascal — Mon, 05 Jun 2006 14:42:44 +0000

ktb and BMM

well said – Visagie was a walking penalt machine, and it dos seem like h doesn’t scrum straight uch, OR bind. The World XV coach is just hopping on teh bandwagon and defending the fact that if his team didn’t give away so many penalties, they would have had a couple of tries against them too. It is common for Oz and NZ sides to slow the ball down and lie over the back of the rucks when they are defending in their own half – they either slow down attack, or get pinged, either way, no tries against them. And if they dont get pinged- more’s the better. Watch how the Crusaders do it – no decent ball for any team playing them…

By: Stan

Stan — Mon, 05 Jun 2006 06:32:43 +0000

I am not a big Klappe Henning fan myself, but to blame him for the spectacle on Saturday is unfair.
The 2 captains had no control over their players and with all the mistakes, Klappe had no chioce but to breath through his whistle.
If he did not blow them up, he would have been accused of being biased and one eyed.

By: ktb

ktb — Mon, 05 Jun 2006 06:27:28 +0000

MMM, well said, & spot on, Visagie HAS FOR YEARS SCRUMMED IN ON THE HOOKER AND PENALISED time & again for this. Yes DEON had a hard time of it, but look who he had pushing behind — albert 105 kg monster.Shimmie is not an international hooker and never will be. The lien we were fed by JW WAS A LOAD OF HOG WASH — QUOTE” John[ smit] said that shimmie and andrews were the strongest he had scrummed against all S14″

Was that colloboration between captain & coach to suite a “purpose” — wer are being lead up teh garden path once again.

By: Drunkmonkey

Drunkmonkey — Mon, 05 Jun 2006 05:25:00 +0000

The stadium was kinda empty lots of open seats….. i feel for the okes that paid to watch this bad show. You should have listen to the okes at the bar nobody was happy and they didnt even pay to watch this.

The world team almost beat us if it wasnt for tappe it been a draw.

By: twojays

twojays — Mon, 05 Jun 2006 05:09:20 +0000

No pompies – out of my league. He went to Bishops.

By: pompies

pompies — Mon, 05 Jun 2006 00:14:22 +0000

2j’s did you go to school with Gibb’s?

By: twojays

twojays — Sun, 04 Jun 2006 23:28:40 +0000

One feels it may be a good thing that the Bok fifteen played so poorly. Expect mnay changes for Saturday. It did show up South africa’s lack of talent and the continueing playing people to satsify the quota is ruining S.A Rugby. The facts are tht there are no black forwards to international standard . Sephaka is a case in point. His scummaging is average at best and he is a trundler round the park. Has been for three years.On the other hand there are some very promising three=quarters and I think the twins must be so close to selections. The major weakness in South Africa is a lack of fly-halves. They are still churning out kicking fly-halves at school while the rest of the world are teaching youngsters the running game. In New Zealand they don’t have such things as fly=halves. Fom the cradle they are taught first five and second five i.e. inside centre to S.A, Consequently there are guys playing second division rugby in New Zealand who are better than the crop of fly-halves in S.A. Those who saw Carlos Spencer on Saturday should remember thare ara some just as good if not better playing in New Zealands. Incidently, the best fly=half I have ever seen in S A rugby was Hershell Gibbs. If his father hadn’t influenced him to choose Cricket after an injury. my bet he would have turned out the best Springbok fly= half for years. And he would have been .classified as a”quata” player. What a fiasco. Hamba Kahle

By: boooi

boooi — Sun, 04 Jun 2006 19:26:00 +0000

so much for the new scrumming machine. worked wonders

By: Redox

Redox — Sun, 04 Jun 2006 17:25:35 +0000

Agree with ddrek comments although i do think cobus scrummed very well its certainly not the first time he has been penalised for scrumming in and it wont be the last also its interesting that the article states that sephaka got a working over from cobus i actually thought things got alot better when lawrence he came on then again that may have something to do with the fact that cobus was subbed and most of sephaka’s scrums were against cristian califano again which is also ignored by the article but dont let the facts get in the way of a good story.

By: Veii

Veii — Sun, 04 Jun 2006 13:56:29 +0000

Cobus Visagie scrumed the life out of Deon Carstens and Lawrence Sephaka. If Visagie is not going to the world cup then Deon most certeinly is not going either. Cobus proved beyond the shadows of doupt that he is the best Tighthead available for SA selection. I wouldnt like to see what Heyman, White, De Veliers and Adam Jones could do to a ” child” like Deon Carstens. Jake better keep that door open, and he better pick Visagie for the world cup or we are going to suffer come world cup time. He can “invest” all he wants in these other props but quality is not somthing that can be tought.

By: TheTackler

TheTackler — Sun, 04 Jun 2006 13:21:13 +0000

The All Blacks will be licking their lips at the prospect of logging another 50+ point record score…

By: ddrek

ddrek — Sun, 04 Jun 2006 09:49:34 +0000

Thanks BMM
Thought i may get lynched for my not running with the pack commments re Visage.
You continue my point very well….better than i can write it. I sawboots and ll and Jake was sound on it. He must back his players and get them to where he believes he can and if not,as he said ,the door will remain open. Just look at jaco,Snyman and Percy. He’s been more open than any bok coach that i remember.
Stoffel
Yes JP Pietersen i think is many muppits favourite and it would be good to see.
I hate it when people say ‘he isnt intnl standars’ re the Ndungane’s (not yet saaid about JP) ,what do they think that a guy must be there pre being selected. half of Boks arent when rookies….they get the culture ,get developed and many of them reach those heights when the faith is shown in them and the opportunity is given. A few times.
I’d like to see all 3 of them given their chance sometime.

By: Viper6

Viper6 — Sun, 04 Jun 2006 05:42:09 +0000

The scrums were actually not that bad. I saw this dramatised headline on keo and then went to watch the game and didn’t see much wrong. Both teams were scrumming inwards at just about every scrum (especially Cobus), and obviously under a decent ref they wouldn’t be able to get away with that.

By: Stoffel

Stoffel — Sun, 04 Jun 2006 04:58:58 +0000

JP Pietersen should be with the Bok squad. He’ll make a fine winger and could be a star at the next WC

By: BMM

BMM — Sun, 04 Jun 2006 04:55:49 +0000

Oh and just to add to the saga of JW on Visagie – he has publically stated that he is not really looking at Visagie because he has identified a number of props that they have been investing in BUT the door is not closed to anyone. Now the media have spun that into some sensationalism – read between the lines. Special attention (and investment) is being paid to certain players that JW believes can be groomed to international standard HOWEVER if they do not perform OR some other player from outside that group performs significantly better then due consideration will be given.

But my personal opinion is that JW selects characters that he believes will fit in – outspoken players like Brits, Watson, Davidson won’t get a look in. He may well think the same about Visagie but I think he probably looks at the stats of how often he gets penalised. Now while it may be true that the refs don’t have a clue about scrumming and often the dominating front row gets pinged until that changes it is not worth having a rock solid front row that gives 6 points away every game! Rather just have a solid front row.

By: BMM

BMM — Sun, 04 Jun 2006 04:46:20 +0000

ddrek – some sanity on this board at last!!!
VISAGIE MAY BE RATED BY ALL AND SUNDRY FOR BEING THE BEST TECHNICAL TIGHTHEAD AROUND BUT HE IS CERTAINLY NOT RATED BY THE REFEREES!! HE HAS ALWAYS BEEN A LIABILITY FOR THE BOKS – A WALKING PENALTY! ALL HE DOES IS PUSH THE LIMITS OF THE LAW TOO FAR! HIS FACE IS ONE OF GUILT THAT EVERY REFEREE LOVES TO BLOW!

Now Deon may not have been up to much but before you comment on any prop you have to make sure he has a solid environment around him. He had Shimmie next to him – not match fit. Andrews – has not done much in S14 and behind there is Rossouw (a retreaded loosie) who has never been rated for his scrummaging and Van Der Berg (stringbean) another retreaded loosie!! In essence a completely new tight 5 combination. Difficult to judge them on this outing.

By: ddrek

ddrek — Sun, 04 Jun 2006 01:40:59 +0000

and stringbean behind.
im glad for this outing ,a worthwhile endevour pre Scots and French. If it were all 7′s baabaas style we would have learned less.

By: christian

christian — Sat, 03 Jun 2006 23:26:04 +0000

Don’t blame Carstens,there are 2 guys next to him.WP/Stormers got destroyed up front the last & this season,shall I say more.

By: ddrek

ddrek — Sat, 03 Jun 2006 22:17:28 +0000

Did Visage really look that good ? Or are you just listening to Garth Wright and then everyone follows suit?
He gave away many points,was on a warning ,scrummed in – as he has always done for the boks. Anyway what else does he offer? We had a weak 2nd row anyway.If our useless commentatots said it was Visage who needed to watch himself ,wouldn’t most of you be saying something like ,”ja he’s past his sell buy date” ?
Didnt see much from Snyman but then didnt see much from 13,11 and 15 either Except Monty and Gaffie’s boot.
Visage is overrated by all you sheep.Always was.
Carstens has a future ahead of him. Get Smit,Os,Bakkies and Vic back and Deon will be fine. Just think about the whole tight 5 vs the World 15′s.
I’d say forget about Visage ,unless we have a lot of injury’s (jake’sdoor should always be open ,as I head him say on Boots n all before the media blew it up) and think about if we really want WO on as a backup wing. Where is our wing depth???

By: stormers604

stormers604 — Sat, 03 Jun 2006 21:45:34 +0000

can jake white explain to the sa public why visagie is nt good enough? does n’t cobus visagie has one of the best technique’s? does n’t he understand the european conditions? does nt he have experience? white please explain why visagie cant make an impact, but someone like andre snyman on the wing can make a difference?