Hoskins to chat with Jake
28 Jun 2006
Saru president Regan Hoskins will meet with Jake White on Thursday to discuss his future as Springbok coach.
The meeting will be an informal one to discuss recent events that could result in White being appointed England’s new elite director of rugby – a job that would earn him R20 million over the next four years.
White wants his Springbok contract extended to the 2009 Lions series, a decision that Saru has referred to the presidents council.
“We are having a chat with Jake,” Hoskins told the Cape Times. “The matter is one of extreme concern. I’m on tenterhooks.
“I think Jake wants to coach the Springboks and I don’t want to throw away what has been achieved under him over the last two years.”
Hoskins said there was no-back plan should White quit.
“You don’t become president to put another coach in the backroom. Let’s just relax.”
However, should White leave, Bulls coach Heyneke Meyer and SA U21 coach Pieter de Villiers are expected to coach the Boks in the Tri-Nations.
37 Comments
28 Jun 2006, 07:40 am
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28 Jun 2006, 07:40 am
Appears we stuck with him for a little longer then…
28 Jun 2006, 07:41 am
heyneke meyer i dont rate is backline just kick up and unders like fourie du preez no attack we need a decent backline coach our forwards or okay though man i hope jake stays another coach another tri nations lost
28 Jun 2006, 07:45 am
Jake Jake .. surly we need to see what happens in this year 3N and next years world cup before we decied if we want you till 2009 .. your on a slippery slop into a hole you’ve dug yourself.
28 Jun 2006, 07:50 am
I think as South Africans we have to make up our minds as to whether the Bok coach has to be a South African or not. Frankly, after Jake White, I don’t think anyone else is qualified to do the job – possibly De Villiers, or Mallett – proven winners.
However, why not cast the net wide and recruit a foreigner – I mean this is the professional era – we should recruit the best that our money can buy. Wales, Scotland and Ireland recently had foreign coaches, and look at the world of good it did to their rugby.
Bob Woolmer coached our cricket side and produced probably the best cricket SA has played since the days of Rice, Cook, Kourie, etc.
So what about getting the likes of a Robbie Deans to coach the Boks – that’s if you can convince them.
28 Jun 2006, 07:54 am
paws
the oppo i.e. England have a contract until 2009. in work situation my employer has to offer the same or i will leave – based on previous performances, and yes answer to ?tion can i still add value! jack is negotiating, nothing wrong with that. saru should get conclusion on the big ?tion. do we want him, are we willing to give him what he wants. last two years performance answer should be YES! business decision to be made!
28 Jun 2006, 07:58 am
His extension should be linked to a good performance at the World Cup – reaching the semi’s.
28 Jun 2006, 07:58 am
They are just gonna have a nice friendly chat. Nothing more. After all Jake is free to go if he wants.
Reality is that its Jake vs SARU, the media, the public & the provinces. The guy does not have peace of mind.
28 Jun 2006, 08:01 am
No we can’t go over seas for a coach , one week in Sa politics and he’ll be gone. Hell no.
28 Jun 2006, 08:08 am
green blood … it is a buisness decission .. and I would say No .. what has JW really acived in the last two years which makes it essential that we keep him upto 2009?
Lets look at it in buisness terms … JW has managed to stabalise the home market, but has failed misrably in breaking into the overseas market.
28 Jun 2006, 08:10 am
Paws,
He has beaten the Wallabies overseas and almost beaten the All Blacks twice.
28 Jun 2006, 08:13 am
Thank goodness we have someone with a cool head at the helm.
28 Jun 2006, 08:15 am
Simon, beaten a Wobbly team at their lowest low in a number of seasons, whoopie!
As for almost, I almost had *** with Angelina Jolie…
See, it counts for nothing!
28 Jun 2006, 08:16 am
Koos, that is more than we’ve done in all the years since 1998.
28 Jun 2006, 08:18 am
Simon … 1 win from 2 starts against a team everybody beat last year… lets see if he can make it 2 from 3 this 3N.
The point is he has not beaten the AB, England, France and Ireland overseas .. they are the main competitors. To win the WC and to become and remain number 1 you need to be abel to beat these teams in there own back yards. And JW has upto now not proved he can do it .. so .. let him prove in 2006 and 2007 that he can, and then even I will have to support him coaching until 2009.
Weather you lose bu a point or by 10, a lose is a lose .. almost is not good enogh.
28 Jun 2006, 08:25 am
Paws, we beat NZ at home, not once, but twice!
That is more than we can say about the previous years.
28 Jun 2006, 08:29 am
I think it is a bit of a cheeck that England even think of offering a position. Typical of the Poms. They have so much cash, that it is easy to lure a coach from another nation.
I reckon, that the rule that applies to the players, maybe, should apply to coaches as well. Once you have coached your country, you cannot coach another.
Just because England have had a lot of Old Players retire, they won’t find a quick fix in another coach.
I only hope we can beat England at Twickenam twice at the end of the year.
Jake should wait until then, The Poms will offer him R40 mill!!!
SA Rugby, Just give him a contract until 2009
and get on with it.
28 Jun 2006, 08:33 am
Nicks … are you happy with mediocrity? … Yes, we beat them twice at home and they beat us twice in there back yard … then they went on and beat the French, English, Irish and all others before them in there own back yards. We could not.
Do you not believe that the boks are capable of doing that? I believe that they can, and therefore will not just settle for,” but we are doing better than previous years”
28 Jun 2006, 08:44 am
JW must stay – but if he goes i support the idea of looking at a foreign coach for the Bok job.
There should really be limitations that rich countries (read: England) can’t just buy coaches like JW. There should be a re-straint of trade for a few years barring them from coaching another international team.
28 Jun 2006, 08:46 am
Brains, that’s the most logical, sharpest comment made all day. Why the F*&^ aren’t there any restraint of trade agreements in a coach’s contract that prevents him from being poached..??
28 Jun 2006, 08:46 am
i saw Pieter DeVillers on TV last night along with the U21′s. WHAT is wrong with his voice? he sounds ridiculous how can he be taken seriously with such a kak voice?
28 Jun 2006, 08:48 am
Henri F #7 exactly! There is nothing wrong with giving him an extension to 2019 as long as there is a performance clause! You don’t perform you are on your months notice buddy. A bit like the rest of us!
But I do feel that this is being blown up into a war before a disagreement has occured! I like the way that everything has been upfront and open – from Jake anyway. I hear that he requested an extension to his contract in Jan and SARU have done stuff all about it so now Jake is doing something about it. I really do not believe that JW will go at all. First he won’t get the English position and 2nd SA Rugby will crisis manage it and extend his contract at the last minute!!! (ooooh whats that my coffee is cold!!)
28 Jun 2006, 08:50 am
Paws, I just dont think there is anyone who can do a better job.
Heyneke Meyer and Pieter De Villiers definately cannot!
28 Jun 2006, 08:53 am
BMM 2019!!!! Loooong time mate…
28 Jun 2006, 09:03 am
The chat will be one way and two words
“You’re Fired!!”
28 Jun 2006, 09:09 am
Nicks .. almost agree with you. I would love to see somebody like John Mitchell having a go, but what are the chances of us ever hiring a overseas coach, never mind the fact that overseas coaches might not want to work here.
I can’t shoot down P De Villers coaching chances as I know very little about him. All I do know is that he coached the u21 to world champs last year and took them to the finals this year, the same root as JW. The spears were to short lived to make a dissision based on them. Based on the u21, there might be something as it all did occure overseas.
H Meyer is a great forwards coach. I dislike the bulls, but you can’t hide the fact that there forward play can be awsome. So, when it comes to forward play, I would definilty listen to what he has to say. He is however not a complete coach, and JW has proved that the bulls style of play does not work at international level.
28 Jun 2006, 09:43 am
Regan Hoskins:
Now is the time for you to deliver. Get Jake signed to 2009 (with a performance clause).
For those people suggesting Pieter de Villiers and Heyneke Meyer: Both of them are not even in the same ball-park as Jake when is comes to coaching ability.
Note I’m a Bulls supporter.
28 Jun 2006, 09:55 am
No,
Don’t talk with Jake….beg him for forgivness and say 10 “hail Mary’s”.
28 Jun 2006, 10:29 am
St.P
Slightly over the top but you’ve got the gist of it!
28 Jun 2006, 10:46 am
I dont think jake white will leave…….the media is just creating all this hype because normal negoitiations with contracts,it happens in every proffession……
28 Jun 2006, 10:54 am
Jake must stay, but Allistair Coetzee is a serious concern. I don’t mind an all-black or all pink coaching team, but Allistair is out of his depth. Rather bring in Paul Treu or someone with fresh ideas about running lines and putting people into space. We need Jake to eat some humble pie on mistakes he’s made. He sure as hell reminds us often enough of the good things he’s done. We need Cobus Visagie and Luke Watson and our backup locks are weak in Johan Muller and Albert VD Berg.
28 Jun 2006, 10:59 am
Not even **** muir (and what he has done for the sharks) is in the same league as jake white……and i am a huge sharks supporter.
28 Jun 2006, 11:04 am
“The performance of the Springbok side is the No 1 priority for me. We’ve said let’s sit down and talk about what is worrying Jake. Let’s put SA Rugby first, and Jake White and Oregan Hoskins second,†said Hoskins.
Hoskins continues to impress. He has never aimed a personal attack at Jake. He has continued to hold a position of integrity and power.
He could have echoed Jakes response to Schalk Brits and referred Jake to Leonie for help with his travel booking (probably what Jake deserved and hopefully something that might have occurred to the Boks coach).
If White and SARU are to move on from this, both parties need to be seen to win. Hoskins seems to understand that.
28 Jun 2006, 11:21 am
meyer is the crappest coach in sa. with all the talent he has, the bulls sholud have won a s12/14 by now
28 Jun 2006, 11:32 am
Koos #24 I am serious I meant 2019. The point is you can give a guy a 5, 10, 20 or 50 year contract and it won’t cost you a penny more if there is a performance clause – because lets face it if he is performing you want to keep him if he is not you let him go at no extra cost!
Give Jake his extension with a WC performance clause and annual review thereafter – hey presto everyone is happy!!!
28 Jun 2006, 11:35 am
Would a Meyer/de Villiers combo mean “Goodbye Alistair”?
This could be seriously tempting.
28 Jun 2006, 13:27 pm
Jake’s request in January (supposedly) for an extension should have been a bit higher up old president’s agenda. If it wasn’t on the agenda, wtf is on his to do list?
Any of you guys out there also under contract? The norm is renegotiation before the contract gets to the 76% mark isn’t it.
If JW had to dance the same dance last year, does it not tell us as much about the PC as it does JW?
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