Double blow for Boks
5 Jul 2006
Bakkies Botha and Jean de Villiers were on Wednesday ruled out of the away leg of the Vodacom Tri Nations.
De Villiers has not recovered from the rib injury sustained against Scotland and is likely to miss the entire away leg, which comprises three tests against Australia (twice) and the All Blacks.
Botha has been troubled with a calf, ankle and achilles for some time. He has not played this international season because of injury and his absence will be felt against the physical All Blacks.
De Villiers, though, is a massive blow to the creativity of the back division.
Joe van Niekerk, Breyton Paulse, Danie Coetzee and Bryan Habana were all given fitness clearances to get on the plane to Australia on Thursday.
The Bok management had not confirmed the replacements for De Villiers and Botha but two additions to the squad would be named in the next 12 hours.
The Boks are already without Schalk Burger. To lose the likes of De Villiers and Botha could prove devastating.
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5 Jul 2006, 18:32 pm
OMFG PICK JOHAN ACKERMAN TO REPLACE BAKKIES PLEASE!
5 Jul 2006, 18:34 pm
Hmmmm,
Can Barritt play #12? Conrad Smith isn’t the quickest for NZ, but his distribution skills and tackling ability allow him to play #13. It depends on what sort of backline you want – one with creative distributors, or one with big okes happy to bash it up all day. SA don’t have a world class #10, so you need some creativity somewhere in your centres.
5 Jul 2006, 18:34 pm
Jaco is not a natural fullback.
It was the doing of Straulie that he started playing there.
He has always played fly half, never world class though and just not all that good lately.
5 Jul 2006, 18:37 pm
Hmmmm,
Habana when on his game is capable of world class rugby. Granted he’s not a natural ball runner like a Sivivatu or Caucau, but when you give him an inch with a clear line to the line, there’s noone going to stop him. That is world class wing play because he can win a game on his own if given the opportunity.
5 Jul 2006, 18:41 pm
bluebard,
There must be a good reason why Barry has been picked by Mallett, Viljon, RS and now JW TIME and AGAIN, despite all his obvious technical lmitations
And I haven’t seen a more committed Bok defender since Mulder/Muellr/Fleck. You just can’t leave the back line defence in the hands of Jd.V, Percy or Paulse, its not on
5 Jul 2006, 18:42 pm
Conrad is much quicker than Barrit stoders, come on.
And Barrit has proved nothing in distribution in my opinion, not in the S14 (check the stats) and I watched every Baby Bok game and did not see anything special there either.
I like his defence though. No Japie Mulder or Pierter Muller and although he missed a few in the U21′s, if memory serves correctly he had a 95% hit rate in the S14 from like 60 tackles.
5 Jul 2006, 18:44 pm
stodder,
I doubt the ABs are that clever,,,
5 Jul 2006, 18:46 pm
Stodders, Habana cannot win a game on his own. When last have you seen him beat even just one person.
You can add Rathbone, Tiquiri, Sailor, Joe to that list he does not compare too.
All his try’s were straight sprints for the line. Given he is hellova fast but pace does not make you world class, and he’s not the fastest out there, I think there was 3/4 that was faster than him in the S14.
In any event, he is by no means even at S14 level an 11. If he plays it should be 14, but then again Pulse is a better finisher
5 Jul 2006, 18:51 pm
De Wet Barry was a great 12 at his best, he ran great lines and has the most feared midfield defender at a stage.
But he is so poor at this moment you struggle to remember those days.
5 Jul 2006, 18:53 pm
Jake’s conservative policy is now back-firing. Playing only with a core group has exposed the lack of depth. Not that we don’t have depth, but because the talent was never developed. And the TriNations is not a breeding ground, not for the faint-hearted!
5 Jul 2006, 18:55 pm
viper6,
Would that not be great. At least just for the away leg.
5 Jul 2006, 18:59 pm
were’e scraping the barrel!
5 Jul 2006, 19:02 pm
Hmmmm,
You go to war with the strenght you’ve got at your disposal, please name a better midfield defender than Barry in SA rugby?
5 Jul 2006, 19:04 pm
If all were injury free or selected i reckon a backline with :
9-Ruaan Pienaar-Gifted talent,best pass
10-Butch James-in your face attitude 11-Habana-speedster
12-Jean de Villiers-Flair
13-Jacque Fourie-Best we have
14-Brent Russell-small but pacy and fearless
15-Percy Montgomery experienced
this would be a nice option:-)
5 Jul 2006, 19:07 pm
yes WPforeover, agree.
perhaps Willemse and Russel at 15 with butch doing the place-kicking?
5 Jul 2006, 19:10 pm
cj on current form, everybody that played in the S14. he had like a 71% tackle hit rate from 63 or something.
Even Doppies, Grant and Julies had better tackle hit rates.
I wont even let him guard the gate at this stage, never mind war.
5 Jul 2006, 19:13 pm
wpforever – best backline we could have. But with the problem at hand, Butch needs to be on that plane for the away leg. He will have to cover at 12, although i think Wynand will do alright. This is possibly a blessing in disguise, JDV and Bakkies will both be able to rest.
5 Jul 2006, 19:15 pm
Cab,yes thanks for reminding me ..i forgot about Ashwin:-)
5 Jul 2006, 19:26 pm
Hmmmm,
Let us agree to disagree!
If any statistics does exist about Julius then it must be a faked one, Julius doesn’t tackle, you could see it clearly when the French scored next to him last test at Newlands
5 Jul 2006, 19:28 pm
Get Campese involved in our Bok setup,love him or hate him,he was pure class and see how he is doing wonders for the Sharks backline.He has the knowledge and skills to transform our backline
5 Jul 2006, 19:29 pm
And the French scored twice through Barry?!?!
5 Jul 2006, 19:35 pm
Butch James may get a few yellow cards,but he has the “in your face” attitude thats needed to unsettle the Kiwi and Oz players.The Kiwis especially can be exploited with a robust and gutsy player disrupting their attacks.
5 Jul 2006, 19:45 pm
I see a lot of talk about our backline and who to play scumhalf/flyhalf inside centre.
I am not sure butch james is the answer – I still think that JVDW is the best of an average bunch.
I am also not convinced that Ruan Pienaar is as good as what everyone says. One CC/or one Super 12 does not make a world class player.
Also Aus/NZ is a very difficult place to make your proper debut. There is nowhere to hide. Not to compare as there is a huge difference between the class of the two players, but look what happened to David van Hoesslin in NZ … would hate to see the same thing happen to Pienaar eventhough he is a far better player.
His time will come but I agree with JW – his time is not yet.
Interestingl enough, last year before the end of year tour to Northern Hemisphere we had a few beers with JQ and he said that he reckoned Conrad Jantjies could be the next bok nu 10. He picked him on the wing because he said very often the winger is the first reciever 2nd/3rd phase and he wanted to see how he went. Obviously he never took his opportunity.
I still think Wynard Olivier could make a good 10
5 Jul 2006, 19:56 pm
Now how long do we wait until a “ej” posts.
5 Jul 2006, 20:05 pm
Poll on Superrugby
Who should replace the injured Schalk Burger at the side of the Springbok scrum?
Luke Watson 62.82%
Pedrie Wannenburg 11.55%
Wikus van Heerden 7.98%
Tim Dlulane 4.29%
Keegan Daniel 4.16%
Jacques Cronjé 4.09%
Solly Tyibilika 3.35%
AN Other 1.76%
5384 votes have been cast.
5 Jul 2006, 22:08 pm
Watch hoe kies hulle 2 kwotas om die plekke te vat.
6 Jul 2006, 00:54 am
Johan Muller was picked in place of Bakkies, but no replacement was named for JdV. Meyer Bosman will cover both flyhalf and center.
6 Jul 2006, 02:42 am
Well at least that takes the pressure off. Who in his right mind believes we can win a game on this tour? So if we do OK in any of the games it’ll be a bonus. My real concern is for the games at home; I doubt we’ll win any of those either.
In the absence of anything else, it’s time for Gysie to tell his boy to concentrate on fly half.
6 Jul 2006, 02:56 am
Lighten up ansie, we’ll be fine…
6 Jul 2006, 03:06 am
Our backline will suffer without Jean. I am a bok 100% and always support my team full out. But sadly i predict us finishing last in this year’s Tri Nations.
Aussies had good games against England and seem to be very settled with their new coach. The All Blacks have enough depth to kill anyone in world rugby. In other words , Ons gan k@k
6 Jul 2006, 04:34 am
Butch is not international quality. Good provincially , but not internationally. Name me one flyhalf who’s “in your face attitude” has done anything remarkable in world rugby. Larkham , Merhtens , Spencer , Wilkinson , Pretorius , Carter , Honiball. “in your face” attitude is done by forwads and some centres like a De Wet Barry of 2004.
Remember the Sharks had Tony Brown for the most the Super 14 tournament and their has been only been 2 Currie Cup Games. Butch has proved nothing!
6 Jul 2006, 04:45 am
O sh*t.
6 Jul 2006, 05:08 am
Koooooooos where are you?
6 Jul 2006, 05:08 am
o sh*t yes!
6 Jul 2006, 08:00 am
Not good, We desperately need a playmaker like jean, Wynand hasnt done anything spectatcular at international level yet, neither at Super level either, so hopefully Wayn julies gets a go at inside centre, with J fourie also a lion.
Bakkies needs a rest, so this isnt too bad but no one can really replace him. Boome? Geo Cronje?, Danie could do the job
6 Jul 2006, 08:10 am
Wat my bekommer is die feit dat daar absoluut niemamd is wat weet wat aangaan in die Springbok kamp nie.
Jake is die kluts so kwyt dat hy selfs sy eie twee fetchers sal kies.
Die twee “hulp afrigters” weet niks van rugby af nie.
Lyk my selfs die spandokter en fisio weet niks want Bakkies is al weke beseer en NOU eers kom hulle agter hy het ‘n operasie nodig.
My agterlyn sal so lyk:
15 Percy
14 Akona
13 Jacque
12 Wynand
11 Habana
10 Meyer
9 Fourie
Reserwes:
Jaco
Russell
January(net omdat daar niemand anders is)
6 Jul 2006, 08:44 am
morning everyone !!! Any word on when thePointmachine be fit to play rugby again?
6 Jul 2006, 08:51 am
Maak die Bulle almal krokke….!
6 Jul 2006, 16:11 pm
ahhaha u guys are the funnies ppl i have ever met!
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