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		<title>By: Qe26LILY</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2007/07/31/irb-slams-honiss/#comment-1497055</link>
		<dc:creator>Qe26LILY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 02:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Joe Maher</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2007/07/31/irb-slams-honiss/#comment-589342</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Maher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 03:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#33 For a nation that still believes in Suzie may I say it is extraordinarily rich for you to even suggest South Africans are whingers and crybabies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#33 For a nation that still believes in Suzie may I say it is extraordinarily rich for you to even suggest South Africans are whingers and crybabies.</p>
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		<title>By: Tomsta</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2007/07/31/irb-slams-honiss/#comment-589297</link>
		<dc:creator>Tomsta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 01:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[cane, can you tell your very good friend paul honiss that we (rugby players and supporters around the world including nz) think he is a crap ref.

you can quote me :)
i think bryce lawrence is really good. deaker is getting good now. walsh has been putting in better performances although i still think he wants too much tv time.

im really relived the likes of paddy and colin hawk have retired, they were literally blind.

of course i have similar opinions about the refs from SA, so dont go shouting the bias thing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cane, can you tell your very good friend paul honiss that we (rugby players and supporters around the world including nz) think he is a <acronym title="Keep it clean!">****</acronym> ref.</p>
<p>you can quote me <img src='http://keo.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
i think bryce lawrence is really good. deaker is getting good now. walsh has been putting in better performances although i still think he wants too much tv time.</p>
<p>im really relived the likes of paddy and colin hawk have retired, they were literally blind.</p>
<p>of course i have similar opinions about the refs from SA, so dont go shouting the bias thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Tomsta</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2007/07/31/irb-slams-honiss/#comment-589294</link>
		<dc:creator>Tomsta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 00:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[the fact that honiss is regarded as nz top ref is an insult to all those who ref competently around the globe. no one likes honiss. he is shocking.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the fact that honiss is regarded as nz top ref is an insult to all those who ref competently around the globe. no one likes honiss. he is shocking.</p>
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		<title>By: DEE DAH</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2007/07/31/irb-slams-honiss/#comment-589286</link>
		<dc:creator>DEE DAH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 00:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[tackler,
our whinging is merely, like ritchie McCaw, an optical illusion.
The AB&#039;s subjected to decent refs would be ranked below Italy. The reason you have not won a RWC since 1987 is because occassionally the refs conscience gets the better of them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tackler,<br />
our whinging is merely, like ritchie McCaw, an optical illusion.<br />
The AB&#8217;s subjected to decent refs would be ranked below Italy. The reason you have not won a RWC since 1987 is because occassionally the refs conscience gets the better of them.</p>
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		<title>By: cane</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2007/07/31/irb-slams-honiss/#comment-589246</link>
		<dc:creator>cane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 23:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have &quot;cut and pasted&quot; the whole thread, and sent it off to my very good friend Paul Honiss.


If he wasn&#039;t biased against SA before today, he certainly will be next time he reads his e-mail.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have &#8220;cut and pasted&#8221; the whole thread, and sent it off to my very good friend Paul Honiss.</p>
<p>If he wasn&#8217;t biased against SA before today, he certainly will be next time he reads his e-mail.</p>
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		<title>By: TheTackler</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2007/07/31/irb-slams-honiss/#comment-589223</link>
		<dc:creator>TheTackler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 22:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Honiss is a very good ref. And the proper, professional IRB people who rate refs officially agree with me.

The Yarpies who bag him are just a bunch of whingers and crybabies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honiss is a very good ref. And the proper, professional IRB people who rate refs officially agree with me.</p>
<p>The Yarpies who bag him are just a bunch of whingers and crybabies.</p>
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		<title>By: skopskiet</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2007/07/31/irb-slams-honiss/#comment-589184</link>
		<dc:creator>skopskiet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah was Kaplan]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah was Kaplan</p>
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		<title>By: Skim</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2007/07/31/irb-slams-honiss/#comment-589183</link>
		<dc:creator>Skim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The guy that reffed the Province-Cheetahs game was good, ws it Kaplan? I can&#039;t remember.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The guy that reffed the Province-Cheetahs game was good, ws it Kaplan? I can&#8217;t remember.</p>
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		<title>By: Weti</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2007/07/31/irb-slams-honiss/#comment-589127</link>
		<dc:creator>Weti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 19:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Paul Honnis shouldn&#039;t be a ref, he should go and coach ballet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul Honnis shouldn&#8217;t be a ref, he should go and coach ballet.</p>
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		<title>By: rex</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2007/07/31/irb-slams-honiss/#comment-589119</link>
		<dc:creator>rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 19:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The infamous incident in Dublin should have been enough to earn him a reprimand if not a suspension. That he had the nerve to admit that his impartiality is far from that, should have ended his career. 

It&#039;s like a doctor committing malpractice and then saying that it is necessary at times.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The infamous incident in Dublin should have been enough to earn him a reprimand if not a suspension. That he had the nerve to admit that his impartiality is far from that, should have ended his career. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s like a doctor committing malpractice and then saying that it is necessary at times.</p>
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		<title>By: Teebs</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2007/07/31/irb-slams-honiss/#comment-589088</link>
		<dc:creator>Teebs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In my opinion there&#039;s a very simple way to improve referees&#039; performance.

Let&#039;s say for argument&#039;s sake a referee earns R10,000 per game (irrespective of how well he performs).

Give him a performance-based match fee instead.

Up his maximum possible pay to say R15000. After each game he gets 5 ratings out of 10 - 2 coaches,  2 captains and TMO or some other IRB official. Take the average of the 5 ratings, multiply by R15000 and that&#039;s what he gets paid. If he gets 8/10 from all 5 he gets paid R12000, but if he gets 4/10, he only gets R6000. 

Dead simple - do your job well and you earn more money, but do your job badly and you get penalized.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my opinion there&#8217;s a very simple way to improve referees&#8217; performance.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s say for argument&#8217;s sake a referee earns R10,000 per game (irrespective of how well he performs).</p>
<p>Give him a performance-based match fee instead.</p>
<p>Up his maximum possible pay to say R15000. After each game he gets 5 ratings out of 10 &#8211; 2 coaches,  2 captains and TMO or some other IRB official. Take the average of the 5 ratings, multiply by R15000 and that&#8217;s what he gets paid. If he gets 8/10 from all 5 he gets paid R12000, but if he gets 4/10, he only gets R6000. </p>
<p>Dead simple &#8211; do your job well and you earn more money, but do your job badly and you get penalized.</p>
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		<title>By: Yetirat</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2007/07/31/irb-slams-honiss/#comment-589059</link>
		<dc:creator>Yetirat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with Honnis to the point where HIS decisions should be questioned and players should be encouraged to talk to him and question his calls because he is C%Â£CK!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Honnis to the point where HIS decisions should be questioned and players should be encouraged to talk to him and question his calls because he is C%Â£CK!</p>
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		<title>By: BigRed</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2007/07/31/irb-slams-honiss/#comment-589056</link>
		<dc:creator>BigRed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[its fairly obvious when a ref is out of his depth tho. Jonker had far too little experience to control the 1st Bledisloe match, that was obvious. But then Owen came in for the return leg and made an even bigger mess of the scrums. Refs have an almost impossible task to satisfy a public who have the benefit of endless slow-mo replays.

But its obvious that if linesmen were given the power to control the offside-line, then there would be more space available to backlines to work in ever-decreasing space. I cant ever see this as being a negative for spectators and players alike. I understand this has been trialled for the new &#039;Stellenbosch Rules&#039;. A great idea, surely. That is, unless, you have a backline that lives offside (lets look forward to seeing correlating intercept statistics).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>its fairly obvious when a ref is out of his depth tho. Jonker had far too little experience to control the 1st Bledisloe match, that was obvious. But then Owen came in for the return leg and made an even bigger mess of the scrums. Refs have an almost impossible task to satisfy a public who have the benefit of endless slow-mo replays.</p>
<p>But its obvious that if linesmen were given the power to control the offside-line, then there would be more space available to backlines to work in ever-decreasing space. I cant ever see this as being a negative for spectators and players alike. I understand this has been trialled for the new &#8216;Stellenbosch Rules&#8217;. A great idea, surely. That is, unless, you have a backline that lives offside (lets look forward to seeing correlating intercept statistics).</p>
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		<title>By: gretep</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2007/07/31/irb-slams-honiss/#comment-589042</link>
		<dc:creator>gretep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At the end of the day the Best Ref is the one that blows the least amount of penalties against our team and the most against the oposition.
We in SA say that Richie McCaw is allowed to get away with murder at ruck time. A number of Kiwi&#039;s will tell you that the SA backlines are offside more often then they are onside... And so the story goes. The game has become too complicated and teams push the laws to the limits these days.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the end of the day the Best Ref is the one that blows the least amount of penalties against our team and the most against the oposition.<br />
We in SA say that Richie McCaw is allowed to get away with murder at ruck time. A number of Kiwi&#8217;s will tell you that the SA backlines are offside more often then they are onside&#8230; And so the story goes. The game has become too complicated and teams push the laws to the limits these days.</p>
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		<title>By: BigRed</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2007/07/31/irb-slams-honiss/#comment-589036</link>
		<dc:creator>BigRed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#039;Steve Walsh the best ref in NZ&#039; ????

I suppose if being a vain-glorious, home-advantage, egotistical showpony qualifies you as &#039;the best&#039; then so be it. Im still figuring out how/why he was allowed to continue whistling after embarrassing the NZers far&#039;n&#039;wide on the 2005 Lions tour.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Steve Walsh the best ref in NZ&#8217; ????</p>
<p>I suppose if being a vain-glorious, home-advantage, egotistical showpony qualifies you as &#8216;the best&#8217; then so be it. Im still figuring out how/why he was allowed to continue whistling after embarrassing the NZers far&#8217;n'wide on the 2005 Lions tour.</p>
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		<title>By: allblackedout</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2007/07/31/irb-slams-honiss/#comment-589028</link>
		<dc:creator>allblackedout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[instead of making the rules of the game so complicated, the IRB maybe should explain how they select their referees.
btw honiss isn&#039;t even the best ref in NZ - Steve Walsh is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>instead of making the rules of the game so complicated, the IRB maybe should explain how they select their referees.<br />
btw honiss isn&#8217;t even the best ref in NZ &#8211; Steve Walsh is.</p>
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		<title>By: gretep</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2007/07/31/irb-slams-honiss/#comment-589018</link>
		<dc:creator>gretep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well put 4teen. The rules of the game are now so complex and open to interpretation that it has become almost impossible to find any consistency in the application of the laws. No doubt that anyone with an un-bias eye would be able to find inconsistencies going either way in any game if they tried hard enough.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well put 4teen. The rules of the game are now so complex and open to interpretation that it has become almost impossible to find any consistency in the application of the laws. No doubt that anyone with an un-bias eye would be able to find inconsistencies going either way in any game if they tried hard enough.</p>
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		<title>By: 4teen</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2007/07/31/irb-slams-honiss/#comment-588970</link>
		<dc:creator>4teen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 13:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So the IRB decided that Honiss must be the scapegoatâ€¦ OK he thoroughly deserves a few shots!

But, will it change the fact that there are a multitude of different interpretations among referees? 

No it will not! 

This just emphasizes the problem again. He just admitted that there is a problem. If one look at the context in which Honiss said that players should get involved he did not do much wrong.

The biggest embarrassment for the IRB was that once again the world could see that the game of Rugby has various rules interpretations and they are to blame and not in control. 

Honiss... It works for the political mind games within the IRB and will save them some face on the streets for now. But, it did not help the game of Rugby one bit going forward in resolving the referee crises!

I agree I donâ€™t like the chirping of players and I firmly believe that the referee must have the authority on the field. But the problem here is the various boundaries in the rulebook! 
 
The best thing to get momentum in sorting this problem is to get the debate between players, coaches and referees going. Structured, specific and if the teams and the referees did not do there homework they must be penalized. 

The coaching staff and one or two senior players should be allowed to debate referee decisions with the referee under the supervision of a match mediator a day or so after the match! 

It can even be done on a conference call basis but not just these post match reports.

The point isâ€¦ we need to lift the game from the ground up by all parties concerned. I say all parties because in the last decade, in my opinion, most of the rule changes were initialed by non other than Australia.  

This is great, but in the end it had much more to do to suit the Aussies style of play and the ambitions of TV bosses than any thing else. We donâ€™t need this polarity amongst the people giving direction to the game.

The same applies to the IRB referee panel. The way they are going to take the game forward should and must include the playersâ€™ coaches and us. They must strive for unity and get this I am unaccountability referees we have, with regard to the concerns of the players, on the carpet.

If referees are forced to do post match conferences with teams it will not just trim down the various rule interpretations but also build a generation of credible referees and educate the players too!

Good luck Paddy!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the IRB decided that Honiss must be the scapegoatâ€¦ OK he thoroughly deserves a few shots!</p>
<p>But, will it change the fact that there are a multitude of different interpretations among referees? </p>
<p>No it will not! </p>
<p>This just emphasizes the problem again. He just admitted that there is a problem. If one look at the context in which Honiss said that players should get involved he did not do much wrong.</p>
<p>The biggest embarrassment for the IRB was that once again the world could see that the game of Rugby has various rules interpretations and they are to blame and not in control. </p>
<p>Honiss&#8230; It works for the political mind games within the IRB and will save them some face on the streets for now. But, it did not help the game of Rugby one bit going forward in resolving the referee crises!</p>
<p>I agree I donâ€™t like the chirping of players and I firmly believe that the referee must have the authority on the field. But the problem here is the various boundaries in the rulebook! </p>
<p>The best thing to get momentum in sorting this problem is to get the debate between players, coaches and referees going. Structured, specific and if the teams and the referees did not do there homework they must be penalized. </p>
<p>The coaching staff and one or two senior players should be allowed to debate referee decisions with the referee under the supervision of a match mediator a day or so after the match! </p>
<p>It can even be done on a conference call basis but not just these post match reports.</p>
<p>The point isâ€¦ we need to lift the game from the ground up by all parties concerned. I say all parties because in the last decade, in my opinion, most of the rule changes were initialed by non other than Australia.  </p>
<p>This is great, but in the end it had much more to do to suit the Aussies style of play and the ambitions of TV bosses than any thing else. We donâ€™t need this polarity amongst the people giving direction to the game.</p>
<p>The same applies to the IRB referee panel. The way they are going to take the game forward should and must include the playersâ€™ coaches and us. They must strive for unity and get this I am unaccountability referees we have, with regard to the concerns of the players, on the carpet.</p>
<p>If referees are forced to do post match conferences with teams it will not just trim down the various rule interpretations but also build a generation of credible referees and educate the players too!</p>
<p>Good luck Paddy!</p>
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		<title>By: big g</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2007/07/31/irb-slams-honiss/#comment-588948</link>
		<dc:creator>big g</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 13:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[# 19 agreed :mrgreen:

honiss in my books fall in with dickenson,linston and willie rrrr..oos, they must be the wort of the poo-heap]]></description>
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<p>honiss in my books fall in with dickenson,linston and willie rrrr..oos, they must be the wort of the poo-heap</p>
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