Wales tortured at Twickers
4 Aug 2007
England gave their World Cup hopes a boost when they destroyed Wales 62-5 at Twickenham.
This “friendly” (sold to the public as a Test) told us nothing we didn’t know already. England’s pack can match any in the world, but their backs are pretty ordinary. Wales were awful in the Six Nations and judging by today’s effort they’ve spent the off-season improving their tans.
Wales’s pack was understrength, but they will still be embarrassed at how they were pummelled by the Poms. Six of England’s nine tries came from the forwards, who mauled like they were up against local club players called in to help at training.
The tone was set when England scored twice in the opening quarter through No 8 Nick Easter. The first came after a break by scrumhalf Shaun Perry down the blindside and the second from a 5m line-out and subsequent driving maul.
Wilkinson uncharacteristically missed two of his first three shots at goal, including an early penalty, but helped set up England’s third try when he broke two tackles inside Wales’ 22. The forwards cleaned up quickly and second-rower Steve Borthwick barged over. Wilkinson added the conversion and slotted a penalty soon after to make it 22-0.
England’s dominance continued after half-time when Easter was driven over for his hat-trick. Perry then finally claimed one for the backs, although it was the forwards who helped him across.
At this point England were leading 36-0, but Wales hit back when winger Daffyd James found himself on the end of a rare overlap and scored in the corner.
The biggest cheer of the day came when Lawrence Dallaglio replaced Easter midway through the second half, and the World Cup winner repaid the fans support with England’s sixth try.
Perry then scored his second to bring up 50 points, before Jason Robinson and Mathew Tait completed the rout with another two touchdowns.
England –Tries: Nick Easter (3), Steve Borthwick, Shaun Perry (2), Lawrence Dallaglio, Jason Robinson, Mathew Tait. Conversions: Jonny Wilkinson (7). Penalty: Wilkinson.
Wales – Try: Dafydd James.
By Simon Borchardt
600 Comments
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4 Aug 2007, 21:50 pm
I’ll put money on England beating SA next month.
SA have won LESS THAN 10% of their away games against England over the last 5 years and the trend should continue.
Despite this, many SAFFERS are over-confident and have written off England. Incredible arrogance and pomposity from the yarps. Arrogance comes before a downfall. The day of reckoning is approaching fast. Jake White’s ragtag mob will be shown up badly.
Delek told you first.
4 Aug 2007, 21:55 pm
#295 Hahaha spot on.
#298 I’m hoping Los Pumas gets the second spot. Firm supporter of the Argies
4 Aug 2007, 21:55 pm
New Zealand has won 66% of away games against England in the last 5 years. I wish we drew England
4 Aug 2007, 21:57 pm
#301 Delek you are going to make enemies on this board
4 Aug 2007, 21:58 pm
302 john_doe,
I prefer Argentina to take 1st spot
Somoa taking first spot would also make things interesting …. England may have to play 17 players just to be sure
4 Aug 2007, 22:01 pm
john_doe,
I just checked my World Cup spreadsheet (where I have already filled in my predicted results) and I have Argentina finishing 2nd ahead of Ireland
4 Aug 2007, 22:04 pm
International packs from best to
1) All Blacks
2) Argies
3) England/Springboks/French
4) Wallabies
5) Wales/Italy…
4 Aug 2007, 22:06 pm
307 john_doe,
Does Somoa not beat Italy?
4 Aug 2007, 22:06 pm
David 299
See my post 258.
Note that I have envisaged a specific role for Albert against England, coming from the bench…
4 Aug 2007, 22:07 pm
International backlines from best to
1) All Blacks
2) Wallabies
3) French
4) Argies
5) England
6) Springboks
7) Wales/Italy…
4 Aug 2007, 22:07 pm
Actually some of the AB forward play in the tri-nations was a bit off … Woodcock and Hayman don’t usually have off games but they did
4 Aug 2007, 22:09 pm
#311
And the question is WHY…
Disrupt Vickery (not in the scrums necessarily) and England will have problems…
4 Aug 2007, 22:10 pm
#308 They are all grouped together…
BTW #307 & #310 is based purely on test wins.
4 Aug 2007, 22:11 pm
310 john_doe,
A bit harsh … in an average games the Bok backs have a lot more to do than the English … English backs are always fresh
4 Aug 2007, 22:13 pm
#309 Whats Alberts role?
4 Aug 2007, 22:16 pm
Cheers folks, I am off to bed … have to get up for Canterbury game tomorrow …. I will have to find out Alberts role then but I think I already get the idea
4 Aug 2007, 22:16 pm
#314 Ok then I’ll group them together. Both have non-existent backlines really.
4 Aug 2007, 22:18 pm
#315
To aid in the breakdown and to cover defend…running behind the backline on attack.
Not necessarily standing as wide as Jack or Williams for the ABs, but you get the idea…
Read post 295 of chch, it is proposed in similar vein here…
4 Aug 2007, 22:18 pm
Yes guys I am also out for now.
See later!
4 Aug 2007, 22:20 pm
How good is this English coach? Wasn’t he the former backline coach? On last years end of year tour the English backline resembled a Std 6 team. Terrible passes
4 Aug 2007, 22:26 pm
WOW they are a world cup threat….I thougth so when everybody was writing them of….They have the forwards
4 Aug 2007, 22:28 pm
Just reading the above comments. I can’t believe these guys even think England have a chance after one good game.
4 Aug 2007, 22:29 pm
272. It’s so petty, if you wanted to be bad mannered towards someone, simply insult them (and you could do that by using their handle as well)
Do you agree that if people want to preach, then they must be beyond reproach?
4 Aug 2007, 22:32 pm
BIG HIT, PRAY TELL WHAT WAS ENGLANDS PLAN B TODAY, I CERTAINLY FAILED TO SEE IT?
4 Aug 2007, 22:34 pm
South Africa 55 – 22 May 2007
South Africa 58 – 10 England
NEED A PLAN B …..?
4 Aug 2007, 22:42 pm
Jis… BH England cannot compete with The Boks don’t you realise that? We have superior players on skill, commitment and ability levels…
4 Aug 2007, 22:45 pm
If the game showed anything today it is that Johnny W is about half as good as he used to be.
It could have been Hougard out there except for the defence.
4 Aug 2007, 22:51 pm
The Poms showed they will have a good pack, but showed that they have no fluidity in their backs or confidence in them either.
Will be interesting to see how the Poms play against the French who have the pack to more than match the limmies.
4 Aug 2007, 23:01 pm
France will be a force at home. But literally any team can win the cup. The team who always under-performs in the group stages ends up winning.
4 Aug 2007, 23:06 pm
What utter nonsense you guys talk … England outplayed Wales bigtime … Both teams were literally at full strength … The English team that played today would have beaten any South African concoction Jake White and his boeties would have put together.
The final result of todays mismatch is that the final will be contested by a possibility of three teams:
New Zealand
England
France
No possibility of us getting to even the quarters.
But you know what… talk to me at the end of the World cup !!!
All your idiotic concontions of Springbok teams etc will make no differance, except if the Boks were playing the Blind pensioners, no cup this year, is coming back to South Africa, certainly not the Web Ellis Trophy…
Wrong Coach, wrong coaching methods, wrong selections and def. wrong administration !!!
4 Aug 2007, 23:11 pm
325. Wow England sent there big hitters to South Africa and they never got ill !!!
Might as well put up the New Zealand loss South Africa got when we sent our “Full Strength Team” to play in the final SA Match of the Tri-Nations …
Wales have been considered as an obsticle to Teams in this years world cup!!! do your Maths….
4 Aug 2007, 23:13 pm
Gawie,
give up the wit blits boet, no chance of making the 1/4′s boet i will give you 100/1 on that ,,,,show me your money
4 Aug 2007, 23:19 pm
Gawie you talk kak! Even the commentators said that Wales were badly under strength. They had their first choice front 5 missing by choice.
England bullied them & did it well. But the backs were shown up by the forwards who displayed way more skills the 10 -15.
Maybe it will be enough come WC, I doubt it, but we will see. There are others sides who have forwards to match, but are prepared to use their backs.
4 Aug 2007, 23:36 pm
Princess you about? Thanks for the oldfriends site in NZ found the person I was looking and a few others to boot.
Man what a blast talking to someone after thirty years. Have a good weekend and chat later.
4 Aug 2007, 23:41 pm
gawie can see the poms making the quarters but Ireland and Argentenia will be putting in a show as well. England wont make the semis and we will probably see a Sth Africa, NZ, France and Ireland semi. Dont let a blown out scoreline mislead your thinking that it translates into any sort of placing in the WC.
Consistency like the AB’s over a long period is a slightly better formula. I think thats the Poms first win in 4 years isnt it?
4 Aug 2007, 23:45 pm
No captain. England soundly beat South Africa in November 2006.
4 Aug 2007, 23:49 pm
Gawie #330 good post.
The writing is on the wall for this SA team and in around one month they will implode. Many SAFFAS probably sense this deep down inside, but because rugby means so much to them they are in denial and going around saying they will “win the world cup”.
Yeah Right.
4 Aug 2007, 23:55 pm
The Bill have you actually stopped to consider how weak, uncoordinated and ineffectve the Bok backline is??
In the Durban test this year the ball went down the Bok backline to the no.13 a TOTAL of THREE times. IN an entire game. Three backline moves. In the same game the AB’s attacked with their backs 26 times.
Butch James is inconsistent and limited. I would rate the SA backs as worse than the English. I know this is not a politically correect view on this site but on the evidence of the last few seasons this is fact. Yet Yarpies are blind to this. A huge Bok implosion will happen at the World Cup.
5 Aug 2007, 00:24 am
338, and still only won it in the final 10 minutes and we had a yellow card.
your point is absolutely futile. much like all the other **** you post here.
5 Aug 2007, 00:49 am
Fantail
Happy to help
It is cool catching up with old friends isn’t it ? Well, sometimes …
5 Aug 2007, 02:50 am
323# Jet
You still there?
Then read jacarandauk from #30 onwards, and you will see what Willie meant when he referred to ‘manners’.
This guy jacaranda is just out to slag us Saffas,
he never discusses any rugby here.
And I for one, won’t stand for it.
It has nothing to do with Korea or cheap labour, or whatever else you might want to drag into it..
5 Aug 2007, 02:53 am
Hello Cappie
Heng, ek het al gaan slaap en is weer terug.
Ek sien jacaranda het n maatjie bygekry, maar ou Willie het hom op sy gewone. diplomatiese manier tereggewys.
Goeie, gemanierde mannetjie, daai Willie…nie soos ek en jy en GBS wat net mo#r vloek nie!
5 Aug 2007, 03:00 am
338# Delek
Your 20th celebration of the AB WC win finished then?
What is this new word you discovered, ‘implode’, implosion’?
The last time that happened at a WC was when Dominici left you guys for dead in the 1999 semi’s, twice.
And when Wilson started spewing at Ellis Park in ’95 after Chester spear tackled him!
‘Implode’ at the WC? Yes, you should know all about that…
5 Aug 2007, 03:21 am
Hey Pietman I guess I asked for that.
Don’t forget I’m a huge fan of Bok rugby but I HATE the limited way the Boks play now. Big stodgy forwards (who get dominated by most other teams except in the lineout where they are quite strong), One dimensional losse forwards who are just not good at the breakdown, and a conservative, unadventurous approach to the game by the backs. Come on man, it’s not inspiring stuff, Jake White has a VERY poor record as Bok coach, his overseas record is appalling, one of the worst in Bok history. And when last have you seen the Boks playing ‘thinking’ rugby??
SA could do MUCH MUCH better.
Now as for the AB’s although they often slip up in the semis, they are the most consistent team at the world cup, they are the ONLY team to have made the semis of EVERY world cup, and they have played in them all. Overall they have the most consistent form of all tteams in world cups, but yes, they do have a habit of slipping up in the semis or finals.
SA are currently very limited and uderprepared and I look forward to discussing with you on this site in eight weeks time what went wrong for the Boks and what the way forward is.
5 Aug 2007, 04:43 am
Delek
SA is going to win the WC!
JW is a wily old fox.
You ain’t seen nothing from SA yet, believe me.
WC is whole new ball game.
5 Aug 2007, 05:38 am
Great win for England, but how much do we really read into it? A question that will be asked by the England camp first and foremost come Sunday morning review.
The England pack displayed great rugby from the top shelf, but against a Welsh team that left out 10 of its top tier players, but what may worry the English fans, is the way the backs played. Cueto injured in the warm ups and that was probably an omen into how the backs played.
62-5 or 16-5, it is always better to go into the RWC with any sort of momentum.
5 Aug 2007, 05:44 am
JW a “wiley old fox”? Wile E. Coyote, more likely. Eternally in a vain, fruitless chase after the far-smarter Beep-Beep the Roadrunner.
Jake fluked a 3N win on debut, thanks to an identical win-loss scorecard to Aus and NZ, but with a non-rugby “bonus point” to clinch it.
Since then?
Nothing at all.
Zero. Zip. Zilch. Nada.
Cobwebs in the trophy cabinet.
5 Aug 2007, 05:48 am
Tackler
I have marked this post of yours, until after the WC!
5 Aug 2007, 05:53 am
uhh…john doe
englands back line is even worse than South Africas. and in your rating of forward packs are you talking tight five strength? cause no way can Argentina compete with SA, France or Australia in terms of a complete pack (loosies)
5 Aug 2007, 06:32 am
347# Tackler
I remember you talking in the same vein ahead of the S14….
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