Comments on: Butch: I’m open to coming home

By: cab

cab — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 12:59:01 +0000

odogg,
who said ‘patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel’. patriotism is often hijacked by ppl with wholly different political views.

For all JW’s supposed faults, I doubt very much anyone for one second believes there are few ppl more proud and committed of the springboks then JW. He aged significantly while in charge and it was evident how in awe of the culture he was. am sorry I dont share your take on things at all in this regard.

As for Leon and the DA, the problem with this lot is the same as the problem the nats, which they are often spot on with their criticisms which those in power dont like. Be thankful there is at least some form of opposition to our 1-party utopia planners.

By: Durban Docks

Durban Docks — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 10:59:38 +0000

odogg. I hope so but highly doubt it. I feel you have selective eye sight when it comes to whats happening around you.

By: tight head

tight head — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 07:54:25 +0000

Odogg.
A country will not be built on rhetoric and good intentions.
Our government is full of the above as well as good words like you about equality, transformation and a fair deal for all.
However they are extremely short on practical delivery to the people they are filling with good words.
The only thing they have given practical priority to, is enriching themselves and their buddies at the expense of the very people they are promising all of these wonderfull warm fuzzy ideals to.

By: odogg

odogg — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 06:51:34 +0000

Jeez, I think I hit a nerve with the expats. Pietman, who chased away Butch James. PDV has repeatedly said he will select the best players. Before butch gets too big headed about his abilitites, give half the chance to a Peter Grant, Ishmaeel Dollie and any other very talented local flyhalves that jake gave Butch, see if they wont be better players in international stage. You see that is the classic right wing strategy. You empower, skill and give oportunity to your own kind or those chosen ones. Get them to a certain level (not without pains mind you) and suddenly when they are near being a finished product, you stand up and say there is nobody better so we must stick with them till forever. Obviously a Butch James will be better because he was the chosen one and given all opportunity (think apartheid). ITs the same with employment equity. White executives who run our economy didnt just become great business leaders by virtue of their skin colour. From varsity, they were given exposure and continually upskilled till a point where they can now run large companies etc. without employment equity, no White person was going to afford a Black man the same opportunity of the forementioned White executives, namely exposure, skills etc. Rugby is the same as our everyday life.

The problem with Charo and the like is that you make the big mistake in thinking Black people are stupid. We can see right through your bullsh!t strategy and you know what, kicking or screaming this country will come out of your racist shadow into one where every son and daughter of this great land has an equal opportunity to make a success of their lives. If you dont dig it, I will get back to my militant best and tell you to pack your bags and leave. SAme goes to Butch Jaems or any other player wh thinks the green jersey is his birth right. We are building a country here god damnit. Not a Black country, not a White country, but an equal and fair country. People need to take time to read the Freedom Charter to understand what it is we are trying to do with this country

By: greatest13gerber

greatest13gerber — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 06:20:46 +0000

Steyn or Pienaar at 10, end of story. Butch time is pass. Butch finished at the top, best ending possible.

By: Johannes Expatinus

Johannes Expatinus — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 05:34:30 +0000

WHAT? I thought the drop kick was real? JVDW promised the ref and all..:)

By: BHUPENDRA DU SOLANKY

BHUPENDRA DU SOLANKY — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 05:14:17 +0000

James is the man…while I like him, I think he cannot be guaranteed a Bok jersey!! Look at Jaco van der Westhuyzen..here is a man who was guaranteed the flyhalf position but then attempted to take a drop kick from his own 22…that is what happens when players believe they can walk into the Bok team…

By: charo

charo — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 04:46:05 +0000

sorry to say but odogg is an extreme racist – more so than any white blogger here.
to him, its pure hatred because white cops stopped him from burning down scools in the bad old days

By: whatever

whatever — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 02:50:57 +0000

Boys, it’s really a shame that we still have a few bloggers who always pull the racist card and tend to twist any sentence, phrase, comment into an anti “black” one. It is very frustrating and these guys need to take their prejudices elsewhere. I think we all know who these guys are as well………

By: CoachPete

CoachPete — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 02:39:00 +0000

Odogg. The jersey is Vics and Butches because they are faking good and the best players in their positions In SA.
Well said Pietman and Expat.

By: Johannes Expatinus

Johannes Expatinus — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 02:29:49 +0000

Pietman – yes I am stunned that all mines were shutdown the entire weekend just because power could not be guaranteed. Unless this changes, SA will lose lots of investments, Soccer WC as well. And none of us wish to see that ever happen. But ESCOM seems without solutions for next 8 years! This is very serious, and sad.

By: Pietman

Pietman — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 02:14:55 +0000

531# odogg
Please stop chasing good and skillful folks out of SA my black brother.
We have enough trouble luring back the ones that we already lost with this ‘empowerment’ policy (or whatever you call it these days), and as things stand now we are in dire straits with ESCOM, medical services, security, and you name them.
You don’t want to sit in the dark somewhere someday when you are old and frail, and neither do I.
So, let’s rather work together and restore stability and peace, instead of always inspiring ‘bring me my machine gun’ talk.
That I would expect from an uneducated revolutionary from the old school like oom Jacob, but not from you.
Your not an ‘old dog’, so you still can learn new tricks!

By: Pietman

Pietman — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 02:04:25 +0000

Morning boys.
Whatever, yes, you as a journalist should know better than the rest of us novices how reports sometimes get ‘coloured in’.
I have reservations everytime I see quotation marks in an article like the one above.

By: Johannes Expatinus

Johannes Expatinus — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 23:11:18 +0000

If I was Butch I would look at the Balance sheet:

Bok blazer in cupboard? Y
WC medal? Y
Bok legacy secured? Y
Bath dough in bank? N

Protect the Bath deal at all cost. That’s pen on paper, all else just promises. Period.

By: whatever

whatever — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 23:04:20 +0000

BH, no one can ask a coach for a “guarantee”. You have to prove your worth on the park. Current form, injuries etc are crucial. I think all BJ is asking for is an indication that he is still, or could still be, in the “mix” as it were.

Still have my doubts that this is a verbatum quote by BJ (and Adi Jacobs as Pietman noted yesterday) Not sure how much padding goes into these articles?

By: whatever

whatever — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 22:59:41 +0000

At least I can have a laugh at or with skoppie. Your comments are more sinister.

By: whatever

whatever — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 22:57:08 +0000

The only arsehole here is you odogg……..everything you say seems to have a racial slant. You need to wake up and realise that the country is not all a bed of roses and that critisism is a vital part of trying to sort out problems. Open your eyes dude!

By: Big Hit

Big Hit — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 22:38:36 +0000

531

Jake White guaranteed him the No.10 shirt 3 months prior to the RWC so perhaps he is used to that way of doing things.

By: odogg

odogg — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 22:31:58 +0000

Thinking about Butch’s and Vic’s comments only makes me wonder what the heck Jake White was telling these boys…………….the jersey is yours by birth right. Never mind transformation, was any other talented player in this country ever going to get an opportunity seeing as how Butch and Co are the chosen ones.

I think Jake irrespective of his WC success is an arsehole of a man and not very patriotic. I am glad he was dumped! He should go and join Tony Leon is the States bad mouthing South Africa

By: whatever

whatever — Tue, 29 Jan 2008 22:11:28 +0000

#524 The only person with JW Syndrome is you skoppie!!