De Villiers: Believe in me
7 Mar 2008
Even the bad times are good for new Bok coach Peter de Villiers.
There are no photos on the walls of Jake White’s former office at Saru headquarters in Newlands. Nails, hammered in at various angles, balls of dried Prestik and traces of double-sided tape are the only evidence that this room was once well decorated. On the modest pine desk is a laptop, a silver pen and pencil set and a telephone. The comfortable-looking black chair behind the desk is the only sign of luxury in a room that now belongs to Peter de Villiers.
The new Bok coach is stuck in traffic and I’m sitting alone at a round table next to the desk. It’s only after a couple of minutes that I notice the small picture frame. In it is a poem. After two weeks in the job, this is the only personal item De Villiers has brought with him from his Paarl home. The words reveal a lot about its owner.
BELIEVE IN YOURSELF
You are your greatest asset,
There’s nothing you can’t do.
No one can keep you from dreaming,
Only you can make them come true.
What you achieve is determined
By the desire you possess.
There is no better feeling
Than the feeling of success.
Believe in who you are
And what you do,
Don’t leave things up to fate,
It’s strictly up to you.
When De Villiers walks in, I shake his hand and ask how he is. “Even the bad times are good,” he says with a smile, before pulling up a chair.
Interviewing the new Bok coach is like having a verbal joust. When I ask questions he’s comfortable with, he gives insightful, intelligent answers. But when I ask anything controversial, he either deflects the question with a question of his own or uses a range of metaphors.
De Villiers was born in Paarl in 1957 – nine years after the introduction of apartheid. When he was a child, his family was forced to leave their comfortable home because of the Group Areas Act.
He was a small child, but he refused to be bullied. “You know, there’s no fight like a fight with no rules,” he says. “I never allowed kids to push me around then, and I don’t let people push me around today. You don’t need a big body to have a lot of brains, you know.”
De Villiers began playing rugby at the age of nine, represented Boland Schools in primary and high school and made his provincial debut while studying to become a teacher. Later on, he was invited to Saru trials but missed out on selection for the non-racial national team.
He has no regrets about his playing career, even though he did not play Currie Cup and Test rugby.
“If white people didn’t want me to live among them, why would I want to play with them?” he says. “Rugby was only one part of my life, not my life. By not playing in white competitions, I was telling them I didn’t like the way they treated my people. However, those black players that chose to play with whites were not traitors. A traitor is someone who sells his country out. I decided to stay; my best friend – who played flyhalf in my team – chose to go, and we are still friends today. He later told me that the people [in white rugby] were dishonest with him and he wasn’t treated well.”
When asked about apartheid and the affect it had on him, De Villiers tells two stories. The first is about his family being forcibly removed from their home by the apartheid police. The second was later in life when he was a teacher and a respected member of his community. De Villiers was pushing his eldest daughter on the swings in a park when a white security guard threw them out. “He treated us like dogs,” he recalls. “But apartheid affected the lives of all South Africans – black and white. If you were a white person, you were not allowed to mix with black people. You can’t be a holistic person if you don’t interact with people from all walks of life.”
De Villiers, as the poem on his desk confirms, believes in himself. He also loves himself a lot.
“Loving myself enables me to love others and congratulate them when they achieve something,” he says. “I know what I want from life, and I always back my own abilities. I’m not afraid to use the expertise of others, but most of the time I rely on myself.”
De Villiers says his top priority in life is God, “because God is everywhere”, but admits his other priorities are determined by circumstance. “My job could be my top priority today, and my family tomorrow. When I wake up in the morning, I decide what my priorities will be for the day.”
While he gets on with most people, he often clashes with those who are economical with the truth. “I don’t like dishonest people. I tend to interfere in their affairs,” he explains.
De Villiers was always going to coach after he stopped playing rugby. “I knew I had something to offer other players,” he says. De Villiers enjoyed instant success with the SA Correctional Services and SA Colleges sides, before being approached by Tygerberg. After two years with the Cape Town club, he was appointed coach of the Western Province Disas, the union’s senior B team. However, although he took the Disas to three consecutive finals, he was never considered to coach Western Province’s Currie Cup team (he was only made an assistant coach in 1998).
I ask De Villiers if this lack of opportunity, early in his coaching career, frustrated him. Does he believe WP used him just to add colour to their coaching staff? Was there ever a plan to groom him to become the Currie Cup head coach?
“There’s nothing I can do if people are dishonest,” he says. “I don’t get cross if people don’t believe in me, because that’s their view. I got a job at WP and I was successful in that job. That’s all that mattered to me.
“As for only being an assistant coach, you don’t have to be a pilot to fly from Cape Town to Durban; you can be the co-pilot too. You still get to your destination safely.”
However, De Villiers was given a chance to coach internationally at age-group level – his SA U19 team finished third at the 1999 World Championship. Although he was also an assistant with the Bulls in the 2001 Super 12, no provincial union approached him to coach their senior side. It was only in 2002 that the Falcons finally gave him a break.
When he left the Brakpan-based union in 2004, there were allegations of racism, a claim the coach denies.
“Those three years at the Falcons made me the coach I am today,” he says. “It was a tough three years, though, because I lost 33 players and had a budget of R1.2 million compared with the R10 million at the disposal of the previous coach. But I’m grateful for the opportunity they gave me.”
When SA U21 coach Jake White got the Bok job in 2004, De Villiers was given another opportunity on the world stage. His Baby Boks finished third at the World Championship that year, won it in 2005 and finished second in 2006.
Yet in 2007, De Villiers was still waiting for another opportunity to coach at Currie Cup or Super 14 level. Instead, he worked as a consultant to Maties first team in Stellenbosch, and the club won the WP Super A League and the National Club Championships. Later in the year, he took the Emerging Springboks to Romania and won the IRB Nations Cup. When he returned home, he was amazed by the low-key reception the team received. Even more hurtful was the fact that no-one from Saru contacted him to offer their congratulations.
De Villiers was close to Newlands rugby stadium when he received the call from SA Rugby CEO Johan Prinsloo. “Hi Peter, Johan here. I need you to come to the fourth floor of the Sports Science Institute for a press conference. You’ve got the job.”
“I cannot describe the way I felt at that moment,” recalls De Villiers. “I had prepared myself for both eventualities, but I was still blown away by the enormity of it all.”
At just after 1.30pm, De Villiers walked into his first Springbok press conference wearing the Bulls blazer he’d earned in 2001. After facing the media – and hearing Saru president Oregan Hoskins admit that transformation had played a part in his selection – De Villiers drove home to find his house covered in Bok flags and messages from well-wishers scribbled on the windows in white wash-off paint.
At that moment De Villiers realised just how close his community really was.
The new Bok coach had switched off his cellphone before entering the Bok press conference and turned it on only later that night when things had calmed down. On his voicemail was a message from Jake White, wishing him all the best.
I ask De Villiers if he spoke to any of the other contenders in the days that followed. “Chester [Williams] was the only one who phoned me and we had a good chat. If I had missed out on the Bok job, I definitely would have called whoever got it and said well done.”
If De Villiers had spoken to Heyneke Meyer – who he edged 10-9 in the President’s Council vote – what would he have said? “I’d have told him to get on with his life,” he replies.
De Villiers won’t divulge the details of his presentation to the coaching committee, which recommended his name to the President’s Council. “I’ve been told it’s confidential,” he says. “But I can tell you I made them a couple of promises. I promised I would do everything in my power to ensure the Boks stay No 1 in the world, and I promised to take the game to the people.”
He aims to keep his promises by playing an expansive style of rugby – the total opposite of what we came to expect from Jake White’s Boks.
“Structure in rugby came from Australia, a country which doesn’t have a lot of rugby talent,” he explains. “I believe the more talent you have, the less structure there should be. We have a massive amount of talent in South Africa and I want to give them the freedom to express themselves. I want my players to be the best they can be, on and off the field.”
I ask De Villiers whether he thinks the Boks can realistically expect to beat the All Blacks at their own game. Under White, the Boks won three Tests against the arch-enemy by dominating up front and playing to a set structure – not by throwing the ball around.
“You’ll get your answer in July [during the Tri-Nations],” De Villiers replies. “I believe we can beat the All Blacks with an expansive approach. We just need to have a positive mindset. If we can be successful with a negative mindset – as has often been the case in the past – imagine what we could achieve with a positive one.”
Another White trait was to favour tall, big backs (Jean de Villiers, Frans Steyn, Butch James etc) over pocket rockets such as Brent Russell. Can the smaller provincial player in South Africa now dream of Bok selection under De Villiers?
“Let me put it this way,” he says. “A small talented guy will always be better than a big untalented guy, and a big talented guy is better than a small talented guy. I will select the best player for the job.”
Perhaps White’s greatest achievement was to create a winning culture with the Boks. So it’s good to know that De Villiers is a very bad loser. He says he can’t even handle losing a game of marbles and doesn’t know how he’ll react if his Boks lose a Test in front of a global audience.
“The Boks play 12 Tests this year, and I want to win all 12. One loss in a season is one too many. Any defeat hurts me,” he says.
There are those who say De Villiers is in a no-win situation. If he wins every game in 2008, he’ll have done it with the team Jake built. If the Boks start to lose, he’ll be the coach who stuffed up the world champions. De Villiers, however, refuses to accept that.
“No, no, no, no,” he says loudly. “If we win all our games, it shows we’ve built on the winning culture created by Jake. If we lose, perhaps it’s because there have been a few changes and we are busy rebuilding. So I think I’m in a win-win situation.”
I’ve saved the most hard-hitting questions of the interview for last, and as they start coming De Villiers gets more agitated and his answers more evasive.
“When the Boks struggled under Jake White in 2006, his kids copped abuse at school. Have you warned your daughters what could happen if you go through a bad patch?”
“No, why would I do that? We’re only going to have good times this year.”
“When will you pick your Bok captain?”
“After we’ve chosen the first match 22 on merit. I can tell you one thing, though: one of those 22 players will be the captain.”
“Do you rate Luke Watson?”
“I don’t want to discuss Luke Watson because it will put pressure on him. Why didn’t you ask me about Gcobani Bobo? Don’t you want to know about Bobo?”
“No, I don’t.”
“Then leave Watson out of this interview because he’s the same as any player to me.”
“Do you have a relationship with Cheeky Watson?”
“Definitely. I am talking to you now, so I have a relationship with you too.”
“Do you have a close relationship with Cheeky Watson?”
“I only have a close relationship with my wife. [Pause] Look, I listen to most people in life and then I make a choice who makes sense to me. Cheeky Watson makes a lot of sense to me when I talk to him. He’s a very intelligent man, and he’s a very honest man.”
“According to a newspaper article last year, you said you’d select 10 blacks in the Bok starting XV.”
“I never said that. What I told the journalist is that I don’t see colour, I only see rugby players, and I will choose the best possible Bok team.”
“If the best Bok team, in your view, is all-white, will you pick it?”
“You will never, ever in your life again see an all-white team. And you will never see an all-black team either. Each race group has different skills that complement each other.”
“According to some scientific reports, the white Afrikaner is more suited to rugby than non-white players for genetic reasons. Could that explain why 13 out of the 15 Boks in the World Cup final were white?”
“That’s absolute rubbish. Over the weekend I watched a white player [Stormers centre Corne Uys] carried off the field after being tackled by a coloured player [Boland wing Alshaun Bock].”
“How will you ensure Super 14 coaches select more black players this year?”
“I believe they will do that without me interfering.”
“Wouldn’t official quotas make more sense than this gentlemen’s agreement?”
“Quotas do more harm than good. Look what quotas have done to the crayfish industry in this country. When there are official quotas, those non-white players in the team are regarded as quota players.”
When our time is up, De Villiers breaks into a smile and claps his hands together. His PR manager, Neil de Beer, walks in and gives his client a new 2008 diary, with gold-edged pages. “Wow, look at this!” De Villiers enthuses. “It’s even got my name on it!”
As I prepare to leave, they start discussing a gala banquet to be held in De Villiers’s honour in Paarl. “I spoke to [minster of sport] Makhenkesi Stofile this morning and he confirmed he’ll be there,” says De Beer. “Oh, and Ceres is sponsoring the juice.”
As I walk down the passage, I can hear De Villiers laughing.
By Simon Borchardt
This article first appeared in SA Rugby magazine. The new issue will be on sale from Wednesday, 12 March.
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7 Mar 2008, 14:47 pm
96. No that is what YOU WHITEYS did , forcefully removed people from their houses just because they were a different colour.PLEASE don’t be stupid , we dont want to do anything to you, all you have to do is just change your mentality that’s all …
7 Mar 2008, 14:50 pm
ok, then explain why my 18 year old sister was forcibly and incorrectly jailed by two black policeman? and has several large bruises on her upper body?
7 Mar 2008, 14:51 pm
explain why, as a young white male, the only employment i can find that fits my experience is abroad?
7 Mar 2008, 14:51 pm
Sheriff.
Yes, Tiger is just a great human being and shining example to young people the world over.
Would it not be great if we judged people on nothing else, but the good qualities that someone like Tiger exudes.
Hard work.
Humanitarian.
Generous.
Honest.
Committed.
Reliable.
Imagine if we could find politicians with these qualities.
Mind you we are getting close with Patricia and Helen.
I trust those 2 ladies any day before the rest of them.
7 Mar 2008, 14:52 pm
my anger and hatred is caused by the CURRENT situation, not what happened in the past.
7 Mar 2008, 14:54 pm
Listen to a wise man.
If you want somebody to change their mentality towards you, then you have to change your mentality towards them.
7 Mar 2008, 15:05 pm
103 # I hear you and I can add that friends of mine had similar experiences.Those are criminal offences that I I will not accept and that should not be tolerated.You sound like a very reasonable person and I think colour is not a problem to you. If we can have more people like then we are on the right track.
7 Mar 2008, 15:07 pm
Fullback.
See it is not difficult.
If you want respect, you have to give respect first.
7 Mar 2008, 15:09 pm
badeesh
You still here?
I owe you an apology, yesterday I didn’t read your previous post properly and I completely misunderstood the point you were trying to make about Saru and the pc.
Hence, my reply didn’t relate to your full argument, I was off target.
Sorry, my bad.
7 Mar 2008, 15:11 pm
Awesome ouens!
Wow “keo” is doing his bit for the new south africa.
See that’s why I love SA, never a dull moment.
Later guys and Dawnee!
7 Mar 2008, 15:11 pm
Listen up all you f#&^$%#s
“Come on people now, smile on your brother. Everybody get together try to love one another right now.“
Capish
7 Mar 2008, 15:12 pm
101# fullback
That was how long ago?
You still that can be rectified in the new SA?
How?
7 Mar 2008, 15:13 pm
112# ‘You still think that can be rectified’…
7 Mar 2008, 15:18 pm
Dylan.
Thats the way brother.
We are putting people together here.
It is not difficult if you get rid of your own ego first and try to help.
7 Mar 2008, 15:47 pm
It all comes down to respect, I respect you like I want to be respected and then we are sorted.
7 Mar 2008, 15:59 pm
According to sherrif most afrikaners are quite primitive and LACK SOCIAL AND COGNITTIVE DEVELOPMENT
damn thats harsh!!!
7 Mar 2008, 16:00 pm
interesting and good article
wish he would have elaborated on his relationship with Cheeky and Luke.
Funny how whenever someone has a media quote played back to them that they regret they blame the poor journo
Seriously though, reading about his early childhood and been evicted from his home. It must have been terribly traumatic and I for one (despite trying not to) would be very bitter if it happened to me…
7 Mar 2008, 16:14 pm
Moola
Yes that Molla’s equivalent for my nick.
It’s Sheriff – double “f” and one “r”
Read my entry again. I said being racist, per se, is primitive etc.
If you feel that you want to ascribe that to a particular segment of our society then dont try and hide behind me.
COME OUT ON YOUR OWN AND SAY HOW YOU FEEL. DONT BE SCARED.
7 Mar 2008, 16:20 pm
just a little joke sheriff keep your panties on
7 Mar 2008, 16:30 pm
Yeah, a little joke. Thought you would not have the balls.
Now sit down now, gather your thoughts and come out and say what you want to say to Afrikaners.
Take off YOUR panties and be a man.
7 Mar 2008, 16:32 pm
Sheriff @ 87
From who do you lock yourself up in your security complex?
7 Mar 2008, 16:37 pm
SuperStirrer
Thanks for the question man…
It is clear that you’re trying to solicit some information, but I’m afraid you need to rephrase.
Do you want to know my real name or where I live … Let’s be to the point here.
7 Mar 2008, 16:44 pm
No, no Sheriff don’t want to know either but do want to know why you live in a security complex.
7 Mar 2008, 16:51 pm
SS
Why, do you? That was 10 years ago. See what an impact those words had on me.
You have most probably read my entries here and elsewhere and felt that here is an ******* who wants to be a “know -it-all”, but let me (that’s you) guide him to show him his own prejudices.
Perhaps you want me to say that I live there because of the new sa criminals.
I’ll answer you in this way. It is responsible to take ” all reasonable precautions to avoid any loss whether physical or financial”. It’s as simple as that. I told G13G yesterday that I’m a simple man.
7 Mar 2008, 16:53 pm
This guy, PdV is so fu…d he will not last 2 yaesr unless the “system: saves his ***…oh my where are we? where are we going to? We are so going down, and I mean deep down…
7 Mar 2008, 17:00 pm
Sheriff, from your posts you come across as a bit of a bohemian who wouldn’t choose to live behind security walls and electric fences. It was surprising to me that one with those views would live in a cage. I’m obviously mistaken.
7 Mar 2008, 17:09 pm
Hey Sheriff
You seem to be the blogs shrink – trying to get everyone to “let it all out”.
7 Mar 2008, 17:36 pm
Pietman, no problem. At the end of the day, we all just wanna be proud of our rugby, it is something that brings us untold joy and it hurts everybody when something we love is the source of such angst and difficulty.
I want a Springbok team that is impeccably managed, coached and run. I want a provincial structure that is succesfull and works to ensure the best talent in the world is available for our national side.
Regardless of race, religion, gender, everybody wants those things. And none of us will be happy or proud of who we are or the state of south african sport until that is achieved.
7 Mar 2008, 17:43 pm
badeesh
Right on, everything is cool then.
Thanx.
7 Mar 2008, 17:47 pm
i do notice now that no feasible answer can be offered by the black bloggers on this site why the current racist attitude towards white people from our government is any better than our forefathers attitude years ago.
two wrongs, clearly make a right …
7 Mar 2008, 17:52 pm
badeesh
As the old folks used to say, ‘Two black spots don’t make a white’….
But I suppose for some people two blacks spots are still the way forward.
But that attitude will also fall by the wayside, given time, I guess….I hope.
7 Mar 2008, 18:04 pm
RugbyStudent if u still out there, please take it from me. You are going way too overboard. my family endured more persecution under the apatheid government than u could ever imagine, and im not whining like you!
the bottom line is, this country does only have good ppl and bad ppl, like sheriff said. however, in your defence, this site is riddled with old white bloody racists, who long for (and are proud of) the old SA. And the problem is, they breed that attitude into their children.
So to all you “expats” who cant find work in Oz. good riddance…
7 Mar 2008, 18:05 pm
at the end of the day, it only creates more animosity and anger between people …
rugby for me, is the ultimate solution. it’s something we can get behind and grow our unity in.
and the pc and current situation with the government just creates untold amounts of animosity and anger. not to mention my 18 year old sister now being too petrified to drive at night because she’s more scared of the police than the car jackers.
7 Mar 2008, 18:10 pm
regardless of how incredibly awful the south african white population was in the past, no-one deserves to feel that way, no-one.
7 Mar 2008, 18:13 pm
zman
I don’t think so.
Who are the the ‘old white bloody racists’ riddling this site?
I don’t see any.
Please name them.
7 Mar 2008, 18:22 pm
132# Zman
And don’t make the mistake that all SA expats in Oz are white.
Quite the opposite, I believe, from what my sources over there tell me.
Over here in my part of the globe is the same, us white ex-pats are also slowly shrinking into a minority.
7 Mar 2008, 18:26 pm
zman, apart from pietieman, what about our okes that’s working in the the Gulf, we never want to be part of oz, oh and my family and their employees are now enduring much more stress and crime on our farm in RSA..so nothing changed, you are not whinning and so am i and RSA is the promised land…
7 Mar 2008, 18:38 pm
#132 “So to all you “expats†who cant find work in Oz. good riddance…” duh!, typical?
7 Mar 2008, 18:45 pm
so zman, in your own words, you hate a section of the white people on this site.
that makes you a racist.
7 Mar 2008, 20:09 pm
Bob
Unintentional though. But keo is a bit of an “uitlaatklep”.
7 Mar 2008, 20:11 pm
SS
Well I take that as a compliment mate.
On the contrary, probably one of more conservative bloggers on the site but I am interested in many things.
7 Mar 2008, 22:22 pm
# 64 saffa_guy……are we living on the same planet? Look, I couldn’t care what colour this guy is; he might as well be green for all that it would worry me. But he was not the best candidate; he was selected to make some kind of perverted statement that seems so necessary in South Africa today. Where incompetence, graft and corruption are rewarded and justified on the basis of “the wrongs of the past”. To which, despite any contorted logic that might be presented to convince me, I say rubbish.
Pieter de Villiers is certainly not corrupt or lazy, but he’s nevertheless got baggage from having been treated in a disgusting manner by insensitive, venal white people, and seems to have an agenda that does not seem to include the sole criterion of merit; his inability to be honest about his relations with the Watson family indicate this, at least to me. This is not to say that he shouldn’t be able to choose who he associates with, but if Cheeky Watson or his son Luke are foisted onto us because of some political agenda, then I say they can shove rugby. Times have changed and it is white people, many of whom have no idea what Apartheid was all about, who are being made to suffer.
Someone who can’t cope or can’t compete is always going to find a way to justify why they should nevertheless be appointed ahead of someone who can, and in South Africa this is going to severely handicap us for generations it seems, if not forever.
Call me racist if you want; I know I’m not and those who know me definitely know I’m not. But no amount of semantics is going to convince anyone that de Villiers is the best possible Springbok coach.
7 Mar 2008, 22:32 pm
Rugbystudent, I would like to congratulate you on a quality not many possess. The gift to stand up for what you think is right and oppose that you deem wrong. However, its never a good thing to generalise. I don’t know who post it but the “good guy, bad guy” analogy should apply. But I understand what frustrates you. You can correct me if I’m wrong.
Its a frequent and constant refrain on this site that most things non-white is up to no-good. You do get the exceptions like a Habana, who is a cut above anybody. Black or white. But that is what he needed to be to be accepted in all ‘white’ circles. To be spoken of with admiration from Veldrift to Ventersdorp. He had to be exceptional at what he does. But who of you can remember his early days at the Lions. He got much the same treatment as a ‘Danvil Dumbass’ or a ‘pathetic’ Kirhner (who even Joel Stransky rates). Frans Steyn thru away the S14 but no ‘dumbass’ for him. And I can go on and on about the injustices that exist in the mindset of ‘some white’ people. Like Ansie above, virtualy proving my point. PdV got the job but has to perform 10 times better than a HM ever would. Who would know? HM never got the job. So , its only natural to take it personal if you are called ‘Meraai’ because of the overtones that lies beneath. But same like Badeesh, there is a lack of comprehension of wrong doing. Total dis-respect if you ask me.
A lot of white Saffas I spoken to about this very thing, most of the time says the same thing. “they had nothing to do with it. i was 15 at the time”. No one ever said sorry that it ever happened and how they wished it was different. In total denial of the benefits they recieved from that same system. So my question is this . How must we (as the pd’s) forget about the past if some of you wont allow it?
7 Mar 2008, 22:39 pm
Ansie. Eugene Terreblanche glo dieselle tot vandag toe. And those who know you most probably feels the same way you do. Soort soek soort se hulle mos!
7 Mar 2008, 22:52 pm
Ansie I want to tell you about the neighbour I had in Auckland. We just moved in and was delighted to have ‘ex-saffas’ for neighbours. Naturaly, or in hindsight suprisingly, we got invited for a true SA braai. After dinner we chatted a bit on how we found NZ. And this bloke reckons, ‘you know these Moari’s are just like the k@ff1rs’. Understandably, the evening was over! He is what I call an expat that left SA for all the wrong reasons!
8 Mar 2008, 14:39 pm
Unlike you, BokinNZ, I have not run away from SA. I think that’s all there is to say in relation to your “vir die volk” posting.
8 Mar 2008, 14:44 pm
“…..all the wrong reasons….”. I expect that the right ones are “to experience life in the wider world”…”to broaden my horizons”…”for greater professional opportunity”….”because the fishing is great at Taupo”….”because I got a fantastic job offer”. How about being honest and just admitting that you left because you got sick of living with k@ff1rs and their incompetence, corruption, declining standards and racism.
Don’t preach to me ou broer.
7 Sep 2010, 22:10 pm
these were really hectic days on this site
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