Wilko equals world record
7 Mar 2008
Jonny Wilkinson drew level with Neil Jenkins after the IRB decided to include his 20 point-haul for the British Lions against Argentina in 2006.
Rugby’s governing body announced they recognised this match as a Test meaning Wilkinson’s international tally now matches that of Jenkins.
The England pivot should eclipse 1090 to become the most prolific player of all time when the Poms travel to Murrayfield this Saturday.
42 Comments
7 Mar 2008, 00:30 am
The poms have to get “something”
7 Mar 2008, 00:47 am
If only he didn’t get all these injuries and played for a REAL rugby nation…alas
7 Mar 2008, 00:53 am
1090 points,man thats alot of drop goals and penalties
7 Mar 2008, 01:21 am
Does he have to do that *** stance everytime he takes aim?
Couldn’t his trainer or teammates stop him the very first day he tried that?
Now we have to endure that every game
7 Mar 2008, 01:37 am
Soenmydonkie – thanks for reminding me – that’s why he plays for england – where iffy dainty men are embraced as hero’s. (Or men who take aim at goalposts like they have a 20 pound **** about to drop)
7 Mar 2008, 01:51 am
“Most prolific player of all time”??????
Most prolific points scorer with the boot, at best. Aside from kicking he’s got nothing on Larkham and Carter except a good tackle. With ball in hand, give me Butch, Carlos Spencer, Matt Giteau and the above two anytime. They are all great ‘players”
7 Mar 2008, 01:53 am
#4
Yep looks like he has dropped the soap in the showers and stands there awaiting the entry.
I bet all the **** love his stance
7 Mar 2008, 01:54 am
#6
Agree
7 Mar 2008, 01:58 am
And that little thing he does with his hands…like his begging for money or something. Or praying. With *** wide open. Very strange.
Worse thing about Liefling is he does the same damn stance, but then adds a little tongue thing too. Very disturbing.
7 Mar 2008, 02:00 am
#9
lol
7 Mar 2008, 02:10 am
haha, haters, let them hate, and watch the points pile up!
Wilko is KING!
7 Mar 2008, 02:10 am
Hurricane that’s why its always been watching Mehrtens – no fuss.
7 Mar 2008, 02:12 am
Game 22: Highlanders v Hurricanes: Hurricanes by 18
Game 23: Waratahs v Brumbies: Brumbies by 8
Game 24: Bulls v Lions: Bulls by 14
Game 25: Chiefs v Cheetahs: Chiefs by 10
Game 26: Reds v Stormers: Reds by 10
Game 27: Force v Crusaders: Crusaders by 20
Game 28: Sharks v Blues: Blues by 18
7 Mar 2008, 02:18 am
Why the Brumbies? They only beat a very poor Reds side…the rest actually looks like my tips!
7 Mar 2008, 05:15 am
Why knock the guy, with personal attacks? Whatever your feelings about him he is still a record holder. Give him his due; he has worked long and hard for it.
I am no fan of English rugby but they always seem to deliver at critical moments – I think of they had the right structure and coaching they would be devastating, perhaps we should thank God they do not; imagine how much more arrogant bullshit we would have to endure then!
7 Mar 2008, 05:19 am
We do anyway, even when they loose.
7 Mar 2008, 06:44 am
Enjoy it while it last Jonny. A certain Mr Carter is catching you very quickly!
7 Mar 2008, 06:59 am
*GOLFING** *
A Swede, an Irishman and a Scotsman take their wives golfing.
The Swede’s wife steps up to the tee and, as she bends over to place her ball, a gust of wind blows her skirt up and reveals her lack of underwear.
“Good God, woman! Why aren’t you wearing any skivees?” Ole demanded.
“Well, you don’t give me enough housekeeping money to afford any.”
The Swede immediately reaches into his pocket and says, “For the sake of decency, here’s a 50. Go and buy yourself some underwear.
Next, the Irishman’s wife bends over to set her ball on the tee. Her skirt also blows up to show that she, too, is wearing no undies.
“Blessed Virgin Mary, woman! You’ve no knickers. Why not?” She replies, “I can’t afford any on the money you give me.”
Patrick reaches into his pocket and says; “For the sake of decency, here’s a 20. Go and buy yourself some underwear!”
Lastly, the Scotsman’s wife bends over and the wind also takes her skirt over her head to reveal that she, too, is naked under it.
“Sweet mudder of Jaysus, Aggie! Where the frig are yer drawers?”
She too explains, “You dinna give me enough money ta be able ta affarrd any.”
The Scotsman reaches into his pocket and says:
“Well, ferrr the love ‘o decency, here’s a comb. Tidy yerself up a bit.”
7 Mar 2008, 07:25 am
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Jonny is still playing and accumulating points: 1,090 plus whatever he scores v Scotland this weekend.
Carter is on 676 but will be jettisoned by NZ when he’s 28.
7 Mar 2008, 08:26 am
Actually Wilkos stance reminds me of guy I new in India once who had really bad diarrhoea and was caught in a crowded bus stop when an ‘attack’ hit him and he couldnt move as he would s##t himself, so he stood there concentrating on keeping things closed up.
7 Mar 2008, 09:54 am
21
Wilko would break Carter.
7 Mar 2008, 11:24 am
#21
Wilko has 7 tries,and this is from approx 84 games
Carter already has 20 tries from 41 games,636 points.Already with that stat you can see who the better attacking player is.
Big Hit i think Wilko is a great player and has done England a world of good,sort of like Richard Hadlee did for NZ in cricket,practically carried the nation.But your jealousy for Carter isnt to good,really you have to knock it in the head and just admit,Carter could well be the Best #10 ever,if he plays the way we know he can
7 Mar 2008, 11:47 am
Johannes Expatinus, Soenmydonkie…. His stance as with DH is due to the kicking / coaching ethos that successful penalty kicking as in golf is all about teaching the body the same bio movements of the body that will duplicate accurate ball travel through the post with a high success rate.
Montgomery has his movement regime as does Andre pretorious from the Lions. In fact all the top kickers do that.
So lets save the bad mouthing of an aclaimed international player just because he plays for England.
I can well imagine that the two of you haven’t played a senior Club game between you. Perhaps you may in future concentrate on Rugby issues….
7 Mar 2008, 11:53 am
Congrats Yawnie. That’s alot of points. Hats off.
7 Mar 2008, 12:06 pm
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Who’s jealous? Wilkinson has been doing it for 10 years consistently. Carter has had 1 good year and has struggled to live up to it since.
I know who I’d want in my team.
7 Mar 2008, 14:37 pm
Big Hit,
Shouldn’t that be “I know who i’d want in my bed”?
Your love affair with ol’ Jonny knows no bounds
Well done to Mr Wilkinson though. Records are made to be broken, and someone, some day will break his points tally.
Just think how many points Wilkinson would have got if he wasn’t injured half the time.
7 Mar 2008, 14:47 pm
Why don’t we just put it this way.
With the record about to become his this weekend, Wilkinson will go down as the best kicker to have played the game thus far. I don’t think anyone can really dispute that title.
Best flyhalf there has ever been? Depends what you want from your flyhalf I guess. If you take kicking away (as you could have a Matt Burke or Percy Motgomery at fullback in your team), Wilkinson falls short as a backline general when compared to other flyhalves, yet he is rightfully at the top of the list in terms of defensive excellence along with the likes of Henry Honnibal and Butch James (in recent years).
He has proven BMT. He has supreme mental strength. He can be a match winner if manouevred into the right position by his team. But rarely will he win a game on his own by creating a piece of magic. When he does, they are rare moments of creative genius. He’s just not that sort of creative flyhalf. He does what he does well and consistently, and for that he will be remembered as one of the best flyhalves to have graced the game, but maybe not as THE greatest.
7 Mar 2008, 14:59 pm
Wilkinson is greatness Stodders.
I think he’ll win a second world cup on NZ soil and a Lions tour win to add to his two WC final appearances.
7 Mar 2008, 15:24 pm
Big Hit,
I don’t think he’ll be the incumbent flyhalf in 2011 and if SA lose to the Lions in this day and age of professionalism, they ought to be ashamed of themselves!
7 Mar 2008, 15:26 pm
Big Hit,
Wilkinson is one of the best players to have played for England, and indeed rugby union. But he’s far from being the greatest. When compared to the greats of rugby union, Wilkinson looks a mere mortal.
He’s not even the greatest player to play for England…
7 Mar 2008, 15:26 pm
#22 Hurricane you took the words right out of my mouth. Stodders is right to a ‘tee’. He’s a god kicker, good in defence which absolutley describes the english way of thinking and playing- defend and kick. Head to head in the skills department I would back Carter overall- he’s more complete- attack, defense,stratedgy wise, penetrates faster and deeper and he doesnt get as rattled as little Jonny does. Carter has more finesse in his handling and his ball skills are well above Wilko. Stodders is right in saying he is one of the best, but not the greatest. I dont think Carter is either but is well on his way to tipping the scales in his favour.
28# Hahaha – you really think Wilko will make the WC in NZ and win the tour-really bh what if he catches a cold?
7 Mar 2008, 15:40 pm
captain,
If Wilkinson were born into the Kiwi rugby development system, he would have been developed differently and would be a completely different player to the one he is now.
I think he would have made it through the system, but the weaknesses in his game would have curtailed how far he would have got in NZ, whereas they were glossed over in England because his prodigious boot, tough tackling and organisational skills are more required skills to play for england.
I mean, Charlie Hodgson is a more talented, better balanced player than Wilkinson, but he doesn’t have the defensive game or mental strength than Wilkinson, and he can’t kick for toffee.
All future flyhalves for England will need to have a good all round game but will also have to live with their goal kicking being compared to Wilkinson, something that shouldn’t be part of the criteria for picking a flyhalf IMO. I think it’s a fatal flaw, as the flyhalfs first priorities should be about controlling the game, keeping his pack on the front foot and freeing his outside backs. If he can kick – bonus. If he can’t, find someone who can and let the flyhalf get on with his real job.
7 Mar 2008, 23:54 pm
Stodders thanks for the feedback.Yes your absolutley right on all counts. It would be interesting to see how the other stats compare between Wilkos and Carter- tackles missed/made, metres gained etc. Cheers have a good weekend.
8 Mar 2008, 00:26 am
Stodders
I once had a debate here with Greatest13Gerber and Biggles about flyhalves, and i said the same words you said. JW is good a points machine but to call him the greatest flyhalf is stretching things a bit.
Where JW has his flaws are, kicking out of hand lately, inability to bring his backline into play the way that Carter, Spencer, Larkham and Merhtens do/used to do. I have never seen JW completing a backline move, his only weapon is the cross kick.
Another setback to his game is his poor distribution. The Lions lost in Aus in 01 due to his poor distribution skills. That ambitious skip pass he threw in the 22 and got intercepted by Roff turned the tour around.
It seems he uses his shoulders to generate power for his pass therefore miscuing his pass. Great distributers use their wrists e.g Larkharm, Mauger and Merhts, thats why their passes seem to hit the target impeccably most of the time.
8 Mar 2008, 07:56 am
rugby fan – I think that bh thinks jonny is so wonderful is he is the best they have– Hurricane pointed out the difference in tries Carter 20 and Jonny 7, the rest he has off the boot as that is the way the poms play- defend and kick and bloody boring… but hey, Big Hit is in love so theres nothing we can do!!
8 Mar 2008, 10:40 am
35 LOL
8 Mar 2008, 14:10 pm
Carter is a newbie and he’s struggled to live up the reputation of his first year.
Wilkinson has done it EVERY time and will go down as the greatest 10 in the game when he retires.
8 Mar 2008, 14:11 pm
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Wilkinson is one of the best passers in the world.
8 Mar 2008, 14:13 pm
u guys are losers trying to pick holes in a great like Wilkinson.
All the other flyhalves rugbystudent has mentioned have flaws a list the length of your arm.
8 Mar 2008, 19:33 pm
Biggles, Wilkinson is not the best passer! His strength is kicking for goals within range and taking drop goals. For this he will go down as the greatest kicker the game has ever seen but not as the greatest flyhalf.
Thank God international rugby is dying, otherwise guys like Frans Steyn would match the above qualities. Im yet to see JW bring his backline in to play, thats the primary and main purpose of a flyhalf.
I have just seen Sco thump Eng, main reason this happened was JW kicking aimlessly, why have Vainikolo in the team if you are not going to involve him?
If you say the 1st/5′s i have mentioned have flaws the length of an arm, thats not unusual, no one is infallible. What they do possess, that JW remarkably lacks is creation of try’s and innovation.
I liked the whole “u guys are losers trying to pick holes in a great like Wilkinson”, nothing against the guy, infact he is my favourite englishman.
He is never in the media and i admire his negative attitude to celebrity culture that english sportsman greatly and desperately desire.
9 Mar 2008, 02:08 am
you clearly know nothing about rugby.
9 Mar 2008, 11:06 am
at least its better than yours, i gave you facts NOT opinions and silly inane one liners of yours.
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