Stofile stumped
28 Mar 2008
Mike Stofile is finished with SA Rugby after failing to beat off Regan Hoskins in the fight for the presidency.
Hoskins was re-elected for a second term and Stofile, who only challenged for the presidency, will play no part in the administration in the next two years.
Stofile, with Cheeky Watson at the helm of his campaign, was confident of victory and the talk prior to Friday morning was he had the backing of nine of the 14 provinces. Hoskins, in the week, admitted this would go to the wire and said he would take nothing for granted.
It seems he had more backing than Stofile anticipated, alternatively it was more a case of not wanting Stofile in at all.
Mark Alexander of the Golden Lions is the new deputy president and Rauties Rautenbach of the Valke is the vice president.
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28 Mar 2008, 17:28 pm
“Frankly you need to realise that transformation is a positive step to make all South African prosper not just a section of the population.”
Skommel that is a very dogmatic view, why do we need to accept its a positive step?…i think its very negative, its open to abuse and corruption and nepotism, it divides, it lowers standards. why is it that i am living in 1968 when you are putting forward that ‘like it or lump it’ attitude?
sorry, i am not trying to be rude but i wont patronise you either, if you have a solid argument to make, base it on something.
28 Mar 2008, 17:32 pm
BobZim
I am not defending Stofile here, but a principle of transformation.
Cab – that is exact complicity I a talking about. Why are we no so vociferous about taking rugby to the t/ships?
Especially those where there is interest e.g. EC & WC?
Why are you not so vociferous on building infrastructure in Soweto and other t/ships for rugby?
I went to the so-called model c school but that school did not even play against its neighbouring t-ship schools in the same town.
Funny enough they were decent rugby playing schools. That is the complicity & the hyprocrisy.
E.g why does Emerlo not play against the t/ships schools in Emerlo?
28 Mar 2008, 17:38 pm
152
i totally agree,
Take it to the township and to the schools, hell take it too parlaiment and get manto some exercise with a few ales after the game (joke). white and black complicity these days, there’s a black governemnt in power, victim mentality even if deserved will get one nowhere in life.
I have been very vocipherous as to why SARU is not committing money to develpment. As you know SARU is run by a black fella and the previous boss was too. Lets also not forget government, what has the sports minister actually done other than ***** and complain about transformation? the Oz government spends huge money on rugby, our lot? zilch.
28 Mar 2008, 17:44 pm
So what is the alternative Cab?
If transformation is reverse racism? Do we do nothing & hope for the best?
Or do we take pro-active action?
It is positive-discrimination. How is diversity lowering of standards? That is like saying because PdV is black we cant expect him to win us the world cup.
Who said transformation & excellence are mutually exclusive?
I work for a white co. i know they hired me coz I black but I also know that I good at what I do.
You see these are the same misconceptions you have that I have to dispel.
I am not ashamed of grabbing the opportunities created for me. Just like whites were not during apartheid.
Over the past few year, at one or other time, Makhaya Ntini, Berytion Paulse, Hashim Amla, Gibbs, Ashell Prince, have all been dubbed quota players.
Have they not added something to cricket or rugby? Did they lower the standards?
Did the black pilots at SAA lower the standards?
I see some of my white collegues getting away with murder. But there is much closer scrutiny when it come to me but for that I am stonger.
I had to work twice as hard to be where I am today.
I wished we could swop roles to realise how pervasise this thing is both in blatant and sublte forms.
the problem is white people have not even begun to understand what it is.
We freed your Mandela so now move on…it is not that simple broer.
Allow me to go have few cold ones…i have done my part as a quota/affirmative action employee.
Enough said.
P.S. Play Ball so when is your Great Trek to Perth? I would love to assist with the packing for Perth.
28 Mar 2008, 17:53 pm
skommel,
transformation is race reservation based on skin colour. there are many pro-active alternative solutions:
the alternative is that we pick an honest knowledgable rugby coach to select our teams, he will have to be black since whites are not trusted and deservedly so (done). But he must be judged on results alone (we shall see whether he is judged by different standards).
The alternative is to ensure access at grassroots to all, schools and townships and clubs, this is what the sports minister should be doing. (not done, dont be kidding, our sports minister prefers to talk about blazers and passports)
The alternative is that SARU’s gravy train and PC council are all pulled back in and the money is filtered down primarily for development (not done look at the deals, commissions, bonuses, salaries and sheer number of administrators).
The alternative is to scrap quotas and to keep whites interested long enough so that the skills and institutions are built up to the level that blacks can be selected and run them and excel on the global stage and no-one will care cos it will be based on merit not skin colour.
I am sorry you last sentence carries that tone, i thought we were having a reasonable discussion.
28 Mar 2008, 18:05 pm
on your situation, i could not even begin to comprehend it, but u sound pretty successful.
i absolutely reject the notion that any race is inherently infererior, but there are systems and institutions that equip ppl with skills over time. Habana is testament to just what can be achieved if one builds on these systems rather than tear them down. best player in SA and arguably the world. Transformation does lower standards since you are no longer selecting the best, which has knock-on effects.
Enjoy the cold ones.
28 Mar 2008, 18:06 pm
cab
Interesting discussion you are having here.
And I can see you are trying in all earnesty.
But i fear Skommel is just not ready for the new SA yet, too much baggage from the past.
His Ermelo comment says it all for me.
It will take time and patience bru, of which I am short on both counts…
28 Mar 2008, 18:08 pm
Pietman,
actually i did not realise that Skommel and Play Ball were having a go at one another.
28 Mar 2008, 18:12 pm
cab
It happened too me before here on keo as well!
Got caught in the middle.
Anyway, no harm done bro.
**** happens…
28 Mar 2008, 18:14 pm
Ag skommelx3, save your breath mate, you’ll get nowhere here. There are some inspiring white folks out there, doing some brilliant work, but you’re not gonna find them on this blog.
28 Mar 2008, 18:14 pm
You got the feet up for the rugby tomorrow Pietman?
must be in good spirits with your team, bladdy amazing turnaround actually.
28 Mar 2008, 18:15 pm
radiohead
that you shields, how’s the property development and sarsu going?
28 Mar 2008, 18:16 pm
lol, who wants inspiring, its overrated, fairplay is all you need.
28 Mar 2008, 18:18 pm
ag cab, cab, cab… the man who speaks the language of “shoulds”
28 Mar 2008, 18:18 pm
cab
Yes, I am feeling pretty hyped with my team, must admit.
It was a good day for us Capies.
28 Mar 2008, 18:21 pm
radiohead,
since this is a blog and since neither of our intengrity, comittment or actions can be validated and its all about ideas…what other language is there? 2nd guess, Skopskiet reincarnated on the transmigration wheel?
Pietman,
very good day.
am off, enjoy your weekends.
28 Mar 2008, 18:23 pm
pragmatism?
28 Mar 2008, 18:32 pm
i’ll stick with idealism and fairplay thanks.
28 Mar 2008, 21:08 pm
Skommie,
“I had to work twice as hard to be where I am today.” Pity some of your brothers at Eishkom didn’t follow your example.
28 Mar 2008, 21:45 pm
i just love the sound of these patronizing anti transformation protagonists as if they’ve ever had the boot on the other foot, not by a thousand miles have they ever experienced the experience and yet they sit on here with their toffy noses stuck up so high in the air as if they have any inclination about wtf any of it is all about.
Rather go sip another cabernet on the banks of the Seine and pretend for all you’re worth that you actually give a f’ck.
28 Mar 2008, 22:57 pm
lol, that the best u can do?
28 Mar 2008, 23:04 pm
how do u know i dont do exactly what u do, but without the boys to call me baas?
so busy trying to roll around in the **** with personal as per normal that you have totally ignored the actual issue being discussed.
28 Mar 2008, 23:48 pm
There simply is no issue being discussed here, its just intellectual toffy noses stuck up in the air, semantically discussing the why’s and wherefore’s of pretty much nothing at all.
So when you got something meaningful to contribute maybe there’ll be something sincere to discuss.
28 Mar 2008, 23:53 pm
ok how about this take?
What a life hey, only in SA, zero f’king skills, but u get to be Baas, one of many unskilled whites whose livelihood has been built off the backs of blacks. Didn’t make a peep of dissent when it was all going on, not a f’ng peep, but those that did you despise…why?
shout the ‘anti-transformationers’ down for all you are worth, that’s right polarize it damn it! Its bound to allay your conscience, but you should have been shouting or even voting differently along time ago, perhaps there’s a BEE contact in it for u as a ‘progressive’, after all you have become accustomed to a certain standard of luxury.
the old blue collar battler, lmao, bet u fancy yourself as a bit of a grizzled warrior banging on about your university of hardknocks, what a f’ing joke, a life of banal suburban luxury unlike any they will exp in any other country in the world and they know it…3 years in England too hard for you? Yeah u actually had to do your own work huh.
keep writing those letters into the Argus sport, u know the one that won letter of the month, someone’s bound to snap you up soon either for national coach or BEE honorary progressive builder…
29 Mar 2008, 00:12 am
Way off the mark, not even remotely close, maybe you describing yourself for all I know,
Something somewhere is making you want to scratch an itch you just don’t seem to be able to locate, when you get remotely close, be sure I’ll be the first to inform you.
29 Mar 2008, 00:15 am
way off the mark huh? i dont think so, but you wanted sincerity and are a big one for rolling around in the **** so there u go.
29 Mar 2008, 00:40 am
There who goes, what is it you really looking for cab, what fascinates you so about me or my perceived character, is it perhaps that I don’t buy your bullsh’t or that of pseudo fiction writers.
It could just be that I smell the likes of you pseudo bullsh’t artists a mile off and something about hitting the nail right on the head puts you so into a spin you just need to retaliate in order to verify your arrogant existence.
Other than that I can’t really fathom what triggers such incessant irrational arrogance from one who thinks himself to be so emphatically rational.
Like those you emulate, that is the pseudo personality you become, you and your hero are more alike than even you would know.
In fact I am beginning to almost take pity on the likes of you aristocratic forlorn lost fools.
29 Mar 2008, 00:52 am
my bullshit? i did not proclaim to know the truth, you are the one that preaches about penny dropping and enlightenment and on and on.
throughout this thread i said i am against transformation and gave my reasons, they many not be right, but we both know you are not interested in that, there’s a chip on that shoulder that some aristocrat has nurtured, god knows who, but i’ll feed it if u want…but anyway i digress we both know 4 u its all about wallowing in the ****.
29 Mar 2008, 01:01 am
Game over Stofile…now TRANSFORM your *** outta here !!!!!
29 Mar 2008, 01:09 am
No my aimless little friend, that is where you are so emphatically wrong, I expose the sh’t that you snot nosed aristocrats love to wallow in and drag the rest of those that have to associate with you into.
If its any consolation to you, it just might well be that you in fact know something beneath all this emphatic denial of yours is aching to be released, maybe deep down your heart or your psyche acknowledges the fact that there is a fountain head to some knowledge that your educated conditioning has led you far along the garden path away from, a simple understanding.
If that is the case, and I suspect it may very well be, then it would serve you well to accept your limitation and seek some well meaning guidance to your plight.
Believe me educated intellect can be a curse, the antithesis to that which the education was designed to enlighten when it has become so conditioned it has no leg of reasoning left to stand on.
29 Mar 2008, 01:15 am
can you be the one to lead me back onto the garden path o enlightened hardknock guru?
i am very limited and flawed, but i dont fool myself or claim to know all the answers, if you are going to provide better ones, i will change my mind, but dont come with your pseudo mumbo jumbo and try and browbeat me with horsemanure.
29 Mar 2008, 02:07 am
A wee little chink of hopeful uncertainty, now that might just be a window to the unfathomable unknown.
Could it be a beginning for hope, who knows? Only love will brave your heart.
29 Mar 2008, 13:17 pm
Andre Joubert was / is a rugby aristocrat.
29 Mar 2008, 13:51 pm
Mike will return
Oh yes he will…
And he’ll win
Close ur eyes,ur ears,move overseas etc all you want….
30 Mar 2008, 21:56 pm
Skommel
I think it is important to separate transformation and inclusion from quotas.
It is important to include all ethnicties, and to use sport to create national pride and togetherness. No one should be excluded on basis of their color.
But the inclusion should be on the basis of performance: It should not matter what colour you are, as long as you are GOOD enough.
NOTE: This goes for administrators as well as players!
To suggest that black players are being systematically prejudiced right now because of Apartheid structure is unrasonable. SARU has had black or coloured people running things for ages now. We have all played club rugby – we all see the sponsorships going to black clubs and traditionally “white” clubs struggling.
Inclusion of black or coloured players (or administrators) on any basis other than that of performance will just result in loss of respect between white, coloured and blacks, and just cause further division. It will not be accepted by any true sportsmen.
It is also not in the interestes of the game to lower performance standards for teh purposes of inclusion. Nobody suports losers (regardless of how black they are).
I do think what may be a problem is that black players are being poorly managed by the current inept management structures (I am not saying that management of the unions is good by any means) – the same way as the white players are being managed poorly by these same structures, and are just assuming that they are only being badly managed because they are black.
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