Matfield D-Day looms
22 Apr 2008
Victor Matfield will decide this week whether to return to the Bulls or stay with French second division club Toulon.
Matfield, widely regarded as the world’s best lock, joined big spending Toulon in December 2007 on a multi-million rand deal. He does, however, have a clause in his contract that allows him to reassess his position after six months.
In a recent interview with SA Rugby magazine Matfield hinted strongly that he would like to return to play for the Bulls, but said his earning potential and being able to spend more time with his family was the appealing thing about staying in the southern French city.
“Two or three seasons here would set me up for life financially and being able to see [his wife] Monja and [daughter] Jaime everyday is something I’m loving,” he said.
“[But] I think I made the move to France two years to early. The decision to come here was based on the fact that I believed I had two years of international rugby left in me. In my mind the Lions tour in 2009 was going to be my final series, so I decided that it would be good to finish by experiencing a different rugby culture and be paid handsomely for it in the process. Then, after the World Cup, I felt great, and at this stage I want to play for another four years, with the World Cup in New Zealand the obvious target. If I want to realise that goal I need to be playing my rugby in South Africa.
Asked whether the incessant pressure he was under in South Africa wouldn’t deter him from coming home Matfield said: “You’d think that I grew tired of it, but I really miss the pressure for some strange reason.
“To test yourself against the world’s best players weekly is a privilege, and something that I miss terribly. Toulon is a great club and I‘m still dead set on playing my part in getting us into the Top 14. They’ve been very good to me, and for that I’ll be eternally grateful. But the Bulls have a special place in my heart. I miss what we’ve built up over the last eight years. The majority of that squad went through hell in the early 2000s in the (then) Super 12. We came through that together, and won the competition last year. So there’s a strong bond between the guys.
“If I can get stuff sorted out with Toulon and back in South Africa I’ll probably be coming home.”
Last year, South Africa lost a host of World Cup winning Springboks to lucrative contracts with European clubs and there are currently 93 other South Africans playing in the Premiership, French Top 14 and Frennch Pro 2 Division. Matfield said players who sign to play in Europe have to be clear in their motivation.
“If they’re coming here for the retirement package and more time with their families, there really isn’t a better place than France, Toulon in particular. But if they still have ambitions to achieve something in South Africa, those “what if” questions will always be there. Those questions have haunted me a lot since I‘ve been here.”
Toulon are known to be very reluctant to release their star signing, hoping that he will be their trump card if they gain promotion to the Top 14 – which now looks likely with them seven points clear at the top of the table with six rounds remaining. It would not be surprising if millionaire club president Mourad Boudjellal offered to improve Matfield’s current deal to retain his services.
Boudjellal told SA Rugby Magazine that he envisages creating a team of stars who are able to compete for the title in their first year in the Top 14. Toulon, who are coached by Tana Umaga, already boast players of the calibre of George Gregan, Anton Oliver and Andrew Mehrtens. Last year they attempted to sign Schalk Burger and Jerry Collins but were rejected, while an approach was made to Bulls Super 14 winning coach Heyneke Meyer. Most recently they’ve been linked with Dan Carter, although French giants Toulouse look favourites to land the All Black flyhalf.
Matfield’s Springbok lock partner Bakkies Botha recently expressed his desire to move join Matfield at Toulon. Boudjellal told keo.co.za that he had signed a pre-contract agreement, committing himself to the club from 1 April 2008. However, the Bulls refused to release Botha, who last year signed a four year extension to his existing Bulls contract.
By Ryan Vrede
301 Comments
22 Apr 2008, 11:10 am
I don’t think he’s coming back. he’s making anough money that side. He will maybe come and play a year in south africa again and than retire from rugby. He will never get the kind of money he’s getting overseas.
22 Apr 2008, 11:12 am
Come home Dragon!!!!
22 Apr 2008, 11:14 am
Why on earth would he come back to be coached by the loser Frans?
22 Apr 2008, 11:15 am
I think the Toulon money will be too good to refuse. Their promotion looks certain now so it would be back to the French Top division, but obviously not the Heineken Cup for 2008/09.
Planet Rugby are reporting that Northampton are after him too. Same thing there, promoted to Premiership, no Heineken Cup.
22 Apr 2008, 11:19 am
if he is comes back he should go play for a team besides the bulls
22 Apr 2008, 11:22 am
Maybe he’s coming to coach the Bulls for next year. One never know’s what can happen
22 Apr 2008, 11:22 am
No loadshedding in france, he is better off. Although he might be able to afford a big generator.
22 Apr 2008, 11:23 am
Come back Big Vic………. the Bulls & Bokke need you here, firing on all cylinders…..
22 Apr 2008, 11:25 am
One of the Bulls weak points this year was their Line-outs. Ludeke needs this guy more than he will ever realize…..because he is a bad coach
22 Apr 2008, 11:33 am
Matfield stay there because: The money is greener and also you have a many CurrieCup championships, a Super14 Title and Worldcup under your cap.
Nothing more you can get from South Africa.
On the other hand if it was a shark player ” hell then you got alot to play for”
No Curriecup… no Super14.
No wonder sharks run away to go play on other side of the world.
22 Apr 2008, 11:35 am
Posted in Europe by Ryan
Showoff.
Could be Bosnia for all we know.
22 Apr 2008, 11:37 am
Vic is going to England.
22 Apr 2008, 11:38 am
I see that one of the high priority action plans in the Bulls management’s “turnaround strategy” is to do everything possible to get Big Vic back in Pretoria.
And talk about getting business partners invovled to sponsor key players with more attractive offers has been doing the rounds for some time.
So I reckon Vic will get an offer from the Bulls that is much greater than any Bulls players has gotten before, plus he will be getting massive fringe benefits and sponsorships.
Still not equal to what this Boudelealalala character can offer, but hopefully enough to convince him to return home. Hopefully being the operating word…
22 Apr 2008, 11:38 am
#8 grootblousmile: Howzit , jou span het goed gespeel Saterdag. Dis hoe ek die Bulls ken.
22 Apr 2008, 11:39 am
Between Bakkies and Matfield they don’t seem to know what they want. Perhaps they were confusing themeslves with line calls last year which is why the opposition couldn’t read them! Make sure the scrumhalf makes the line calls in French
22 Apr 2008, 11:39 am
Ryan flashing his CT arrogance
youwhoo..europe
22 Apr 2008, 11:39 am
Vic will play for boks this yr. Mark my words.
22 Apr 2008, 11:40 am
Corporate sponsorships over and above union contracts is a must if the game in the Southern Hemisphere is going to survive
22 Apr 2008, 11:42 am
if toulon are promoted, they can only have two foreigners playing for them at any time innit? so, who will they ditch? will it be the big lock they play at flank or one of the all blacks? arent they after fancy dan too?
22 Apr 2008, 11:42 am
LOL Dawn!
Don’t know if it was intentional, but Europe is a category like Springboks, Super 14, Currie Cup…
22 Apr 2008, 11:45 am
Vic is tailor-made for Snor City.
22 Apr 2008, 11:45 am
Hooooowzit julle klomp stoutertjies!!!!
Dammit ek sukkel om hier op Keo uit te kom. Vrek besig. Anyways…….Vic kry jou gat in rat en in Pretoria. Miskien kan jy FL se kop bymekaar kry!!
22 Apr 2008, 11:45 am
G13G
Tell me, what’s life like there in NZ?
Standard of living and so on. What is the average salary of a management level graduate, say with a master’s degree?
And if you’ll be so kind, how does that compare to the average house price?
Just doing a bit of research, and tapping into your knowledge gained on the ground over there.
Appreciate the help.
Oh, and very importantly, do you get to see all the Bulls games over there?
22 Apr 2008, 11:46 am
Tackler is tailor-made for a kakhuis…….
22 Apr 2008, 11:46 am
Lekker Kwagga!
Ons het revenge gevat vir julle met die action cricket! Ek het daai windgat laaitie moer hard geboul! LOL!
22 Apr 2008, 11:50 am
#15 greatest13gerber:
I’m beginning to wonder whether you were once slapped around by a few Greenpoint Moffies hence all this CT contempt
22 Apr 2008, 11:50 am
#13 Andre_WP: Ja dankie broeder, Bulls het met passie gespeel Saterdag.
Ek moet sê, ek is netso beindruk met jou span, hulle lyk of hulle nou die regte spoed beginne vang !
22 Apr 2008, 11:52 am
Sharkie
Nee dis goed so. Het die eerste game die jaar teen hulle amper sy kop af geboul. Daarna was hy so mak soos n lammetjie met my….hehehehehe
22 Apr 2008, 11:53 am
#27 KWAGGA ROBERTSE: Hello Pampierdier !
22 Apr 2008, 11:53 am
GBS
Dagsê ou grote. Hoop rerig ons bulletjies dra hierdie vorm oor na volgende naweek. Ons kan net baat daarby as ons n goeie laaste drie games het.
22 Apr 2008, 11:55 am
TheHeckler, true, was in “Snorcity” last week. Fitting name.
Vic musn’t come back to the disgrace that is the Bulls right now. Let us first work together to get rid of FL then we can look at it again. Those of us that have been humiliated and embarassed for the last few months must stand together to get FL fired.
It will take years for us to get over this lowest of lows. From champs of 2007 to the utter rubbish of 2008. We have never been so utterly humiliated as this season. So let’s first get rid of the first and biggest probelm i.e. Ludekak.
Once he is gone we can move on to phase two of salvaging what is left of our pride.
22 Apr 2008, 11:56 am
#22 Tacitus: You leaving us? To join the other two stooges, tackler and g13g?
You know that the only lekker-luister ligte Afrikaanse vermaak over there is Jurie Els?
22 Apr 2008, 11:57 am
Boys, ek hoop julle bewys ons n paar gunsies oor hierdie volgende week of twee! Julle kan die Waratahs en die Brumbies vir ons opdoner!
22 Apr 2008, 11:58 am
Dawn 10 and G13G 10 – I certainly can’t help that the web guy set that line up to read Posted in Europe by Ryan. If you look at the other threads “Posted in Super 14 by Ryan” for example, you’ll see that I’m very much in CT flashing my arrogance. So Dawn, if you want those spanky pants and fake eyelashes you left at my place last night I’ll meet you in Thibault square at 1. G13G I’ve got a bag of personality for you … meet me at the same place.
22 Apr 2008, 11:59 am
Tacticus
Listen very very carefully. It is NZ. If by odd chance you get invited to Jurie’s house for a ‘skaap boud’ be very very careful….hehehehehe
22 Apr 2008, 11:59 am
#30 BlueBlood:
Blueblood, I too am pissed off about the state of affairs, but one must be careful not to become a 2nd Skopskiet in his blind hatred of Jake White.
If Ludeke has indeed turned the corner, then I think we should wait and see what happens. If on the other hand, we keep stumbling along as we have until now, then he must go.
Lets see what happens next weekend first. A 30 point thumping of the Waratahs will go a long way in convincing me that the Bulls are back. A narrow victory on the other hand, will still leave me with a lot of doubts. And needless to say, a loss will mean Ludeke needn’t close the door on his way out.
22 Apr 2008, 11:59 am
ooh, ryan hits back! good one ryan but maybe you should keep that bag of personality for yourself old chum.
22 Apr 2008, 12:00 pm
Bwahahahahahahaha. Nice one Ryan!!!!
22 Apr 2008, 12:00 pm
#29 KWAGGA ROBERTSE: Ja my mater, ek hoop ook die hoofligte is nou aangeskakel by die Bulls spelers en van hier af aan ry hulle nie meer op dimms nie.
Fokkkittt ons getroue Blou ondersteuners het al swaar gekry die seisoen !
22 Apr 2008, 12:00 pm
France versus Frans…. tough call
22 Apr 2008, 12:00 pm
Rangerman
How yo doin?
22 Apr 2008, 12:01 pm
howdy kwagga! well done to your team on the weekend.
just to let you know, i am in touch with skunk and plan to help out.
22 Apr 2008, 12:02 pm
#33 Ryan: What are spanky pants? Do you get them at Adult World?
22 Apr 2008, 12:02 pm
GBS
Baie jare laas soveel pakslae oor my span gekry maar ek is soos n olifant. Die wat nou uitdeel beter ****** koes kom die tyd dat die Bulle weer in volle vaart terug kom!!!!
22 Apr 2008, 12:03 pm
Rangerman.
Good stuff bud. Your mail sorted out? Same addie?
22 Apr 2008, 12:03 pm
#22 Tacitus: the bulls games are shown Teusdays at 8 on New Zealand’s Funniest Home Videos.
22 Apr 2008, 12:04 pm
#43 KWAGGA ROBERTSE: Ja Kwagga, die wiel draai al draai hy stadig, ons beurt om shots uit te deel sal weer kom, een of ander tyd.
22 Apr 2008, 12:04 pm
Van Jurie Els gepraat:
Steve Hofmeyer, Patricia Lewis en Jurie Els stap in die veld. Hulle kom by n doringdraad en Jurie die sensitiewe gentleman hou die draad oop dat Patricia kan deurklim.
Met die deurklim haak haar bos hare vas en Steve sien n gap. Hy gryp haar beet en laat sy legacy voortleef. Toe hy klaar is gryp hy die draad en se vir Jurie: Vat so ou maat – jou beurt!
Jurie begin huil. Steve vra: “Nou wat nou”
Jurie: “My hare gaan nie vashaak nie!”
22 Apr 2008, 12:05 pm
#45 $(the blogger formerly known as peanut): Same time as your attempt at “One night in Paris”
22 Apr 2008, 12:07 pm
#47 King Shark
Hehehehehe. Goeies!!
22 Apr 2008, 12:10 pm
Right eks weg. Praat later. Cheers!!
22 Apr 2008, 12:16 pm
‘n Ou omie lê in die hospital, op pad teater toe. ‘n Jong blonde verpleegster kom ingetrippel met sy mediese verslag in een hand en ‘n bakkie met skeergoed in die ander hand.
“Goeiemôre, oom! Af met die broekie vir my!”
“Nou vir wat, nursie? Wat wil jy nou maak?”
“Ek wil jou skeer, oupa, want ons gaan jou mos vandag besny,” antwoord sy geduldig.
“Nee man, ek is hier vir ‘n oogoperasie!” gil die oupa verskrik.
Die verpleegsterjie verloor haar humeur en spreek hom streng aan: “Kyk oupa, ek het nie tyd vir nonsies nie. Hier staan in jou verslag: Verwydering van die horingvlies.”
posted by katman in South Africa.
22 Apr 2008, 12:20 pm
More kwagga – esp fr you :
While attending a marriage seminar on communication, Paddy and his wife listened to an instructor declare: “It is essential that husbands and wives know the things that are important to each other”. He addressed the men “Do you know your wife’s favourite flower?” Paddy leaned over and touched his wife’s arm gently and whispered “Selfraising”, isn’t it honey”? And thus began Paddy’s life of celibacy.
22 Apr 2008, 12:25 pm
Bul ondersteuners is dit waar?
We, the undersigned, loyal Blue Bull supporters, declare:
1. The Blue Bulls have a long and proud rugby history, as the most successful team in the history of the Currie Cup, and reigning Super 14 Champions.
2. The Blue Bulls have been a large contributor to the success of South African rugby as a whole, including the recent successful World Cup campaign.
3. The Blue Bulls rugby development structures are generally recognized as world-class, if not leading the world.
4. The Blue Bulls Company is financially the most successful in South Africa, enabled by the confidence shown in them by their sponsors, investors and supporters.
Therefore, we, the undersigned, loyal supporters of the Blue Bulls, note with concern the performance of the Vodacom Blue Bulls in the 2008 Super 14 competition, and the severe decline in the overall performance of the team, and wish to state the following:
1. We declare a position of no confidence in the current coaching staff. We acknowledge the major transition between the previous and current head coaches, but feel that given the amount of talent available, that the transition to a new coach plays a large role in the current under-performance of the team.
2. We declare a position of no confidence in the current selection process. We acknowledge the loss of senior players to European clubs, but feel that some senior players are selected just to protect the Blue Bulls Company investment, instead of selecting in-form players.
3. We declare a position of no confidence in the communication processes of the Blue Bulls Company. Despite the very obvious fact that the Blue Bulls are under-performing, there has been no statement of concern, nor an acknowledgment of the fact that the Bulls are not performing up to the high standards that we the fans have come to expect.
We also feel that the communications process around the medical condition of Pierre Spies and the contractual situation of Bakkies Botha was poorly handled, leaving room for conspiracy theories and wild speculation.
Therefore, we, the undersigned, request the following:
1. Clear, open and honest evaluation of the performance of the entire coaching staff, and an undertaking from the Blue Bulls Company to rectify the situation as soon as possible.
2. Clear, open and honest evaluation of the performance of the senior players in the team, and an undertaking from the Blue Bulls Company to rectify the situation as soon as possible.
3. Clear, open and honest communication with us, the fans of the Blue Vodacom Bulls.
Please note that we are NOT threatening a boycott of the team’s home games, but will point out that continued mediocre performances will have that effect anyway.
The Blue Bulls have a long and proud history in the game. We, the undersigned fans, cannot continue to see the problems, and keep quiet about it. We are as much a part of the proud history and culture of the team as the players, the coaches and the Blue Bulls Company.
Please see this document as our expression of concern for the team we love, and not as a threat or undue criticism.
Sincerely
The Blue Bulls Fans
22 Apr 2008, 12:33 pm
#53 stoutwetter:
Wow…..I haven’t seen this but sounds good to me!!!!!!!!!!!
22 Apr 2008, 12:34 pm
#51 katman: LOL! Lekker een!
22 Apr 2008, 12:34 pm
Well if Ryan accepts my previous post the adress is there where you can sign the petition…
22 Apr 2008, 12:35 pm
#53 stoutwetter:
Old news. In response, the Bulls management posted a statement on the Bulls website about a week ago.
22 Apr 2008, 12:35 pm
#52 Rugby_Princess: Pragtag!
22 Apr 2008, 12:40 pm
#6 Andre_WP: Hey if Johnson can become manager of England (ha ha) surely Victor can coach the Bulls – he can’t do a worse job than the Loser!
22 Apr 2008, 12:46 pm
#14 FrenklyMuDeah: Hey maybe their relationship is deeper than we think and they need to get back together?! Just wonder who would be the bull & who would be the cow?????
22 Apr 2008, 12:49 pm
#59 Gr8ter: Ja nee , dink die bulls moet dit oorweeg. He will do a beter job than Ludeke , only problem he still have alot of rugby in him.
22 Apr 2008, 12:51 pm
#53 stoutwetter: Stoutwetter – my heart bleeds for all you Bulls Fans – you’r just going to have to live with it for a while – we had to live with the likes of Kevin “Bloody” Putt for a while – Life’s a cycle! Sterkte ou bull!
22 Apr 2008, 12:54 pm
#61 Andre_WP: Hey Andre – player/coach – that way he gets both salaries (which could then mach a French offer)? The problem is if we stick to ELV’s then it much diminishes the value of locks like Victor!
22 Apr 2008, 12:55 pm
Statement from the Blue Bulls Co. :
To all our 12,000 loyal fans who came to watch us in our rare win against a very poor Highlanders team, many thanks.
In this, our darkest hour, we appeal to you to convince your fickle friends out there to join us for our remaining home games. We have spent all the money we made from our wonderful Super14 campaign last year and if we dont want to lose more players to european clubs we need to sell wors rolls and klippies half-jacks fast! Please note that any lack of effort on your part will be punished by drastic increases in the price of said staples.
On the Frans Ludeke front, we regret to announce that your protests have been noted but shall be ignored. Oom Frans has fitted us like a glove. he is malleable and ductile. These are qualities which are not to be underestimated. Once all of you have finally accepted mediocrity, we can start slowly building our network of jobs-for-pals. It worked for the nats and seems to be in fashion again. Oom Frans is just the beginning.
Many thanks.
The Blue Broeder Company
22 Apr 2008, 12:55 pm
#62 Gr8ter:
I have a feeling that Kevin “Bloody” Putt would have even been ‘n better choice than old kondoomkoppie
22 Apr 2008, 12:57 pm
#64 rangerman: Einaaaaaaaaa
22 Apr 2008, 12:58 pm
Nee nee manne eks n WP ondersteuner. Ek vra maar net of die bulletjies no al sover gatvol is. Ek moes met Fester saam leef…
22 Apr 2008, 13:01 pm
gbs
sorry mate, no harm intended for my blue bulls mates here but it pisses me off no end to see a proud union go down the drain. we moan about mugabe and govt incompetence but it is the same thing.
sorry again, maybe i am a little cranky today!
22 Apr 2008, 13:03 pm
#67 stoutwetter:
Ja maar nie Fester of Kevin Putt het al ‘n champion span so laat implode nie, dis blerrie verregaande!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In die jare wat die Bulle swak was, was dit omdat hulle ‘n span moes opbou, dit was nie vol bokke nie en s14 champs nie….die idioot weet seker nou nog nie wat hy moet doen omd ie span vir die elv’s te coach nie…………..
22 Apr 2008, 13:05 pm
#22 Tacitus:
Mr Tac,
here in NZ, income is good for graduates but the competition is stiff. If you are a young Island or Maori rugby player, making a living from sprots takes precedent over education. The white kids here excel in many fields.
The cost of living here is one of the highest in western world. Many chokers leaving for Aussie where living costs are lower and income to match.The cost of houses here is very high..and the bubble is ready to bust.
Yes, I get to se the boys play from over here..little early in the morning BUT we still dressup and beer up for the game like the chokers here do.
life here in conclusion is good..if you have money.
22 Apr 2008, 13:05 pm
#68 rangerman:
No worries Rangerman, what can we say? I have no words hehehe, and I’ll have you know for me that is a very strange experience!!!
22 Apr 2008, 13:05 pm
#68 rangerman: Just imagine if you’re gatvol and pissed off with the doings and screwings at the Bulls how gatvol US, the loyal supporters of the Bulls are this year, after last year’s S 14 season.
Murder, abduction, assault and other wayward behaviour has been seriously contemplated on various occasions !
22 Apr 2008, 13:07 pm
Sekere Bulls ondersteuners is net so pateties soos die huidige span, liewe hel, almal kry af seisoene, my liewe WP het 6 K@K seisoene agter die rug maar nooit was daar soveel str@nt en drama soos nou nie…
Aanvaar dit, julle verloor, die wêreld gaan nie tot stilstand kom nie, want behalwe julle, voel niemand ‘n F@K nie, as ons verloor is ons: (En hierdie kom uit Bloubul ondersteuners se monde uit) Plein K@K! So geniet julle seisoen, ek hoop julle word bloots gery tot by die 14de posisie.
‘n nuwe coach gaan boggerol help nie, julle span het maar net so lekker moer-my houding, JP Nel & Barbie’s Boyfriend Olivier is al tussen 3 en 5 jaar lank K@K maar almal kom dit nou eers agter. Vir hoeveel jaar kla almal dat julle span ‘n hoop Een-Dimensionele-Vervelige-Klomp-Clowns is, nou met die ELV’s kan julle kamstig nie aanpas nie…
Universiteite pas aan, skolerugby pas aan, maar nee, julle klomp onfikse dikgatte kan nie…siestog!
Dalk moet julle bietjie gaan draf, dan kan ou Puddingface Fourie en Drillbakkies Botha weer in shape kom, betyds vir volgende jaar se Super 14…
Sorry oor die uitbarsting, maar ek kan die ge-moanery nie meer hanteer nie…
22 Apr 2008, 13:08 pm
“The Blue Bulls have a long and proud rugby history, as the most successful team in the history of the Currie Cup, and reigning Super 14 Champions”
The most successful team in the history of the Currie Cup? Based on what? Number of Currie Cups? Because WP is far ahead on that count. WP is also the only province to do the five-in-a-row.
22 Apr 2008, 13:09 pm
#33 Ryan: thank you sir for exercising your right of reply. I hope WP are paying you enough for your under the table PR work you are doing for them this S14 campaign.
have a good afternoon bru
22 Apr 2008, 13:09 pm
ja tripple, condolences.
gbs
i feel your pain mate.
22 Apr 2008, 13:10 pm
#73 thesaint:
Ai tog!!!!!! en dan se hulle die bul ondersteuners is arrogant!!!!!!
22 Apr 2008, 13:13 pm
#77 Tripple E: Dis nie arrogant nie, nêrens prys ek my span nie, anyway, die bul ondersteuners glo dis hulle reg om te wen, al daag hulle net op, so, ja, hulle is arrogant
22 Apr 2008, 13:13 pm
grootblousmile
Is daai Jakarandaboom nog gereed? En die galgtou?
22 Apr 2008, 13:14 pm
#78 thesaint: so jy se nou al die bull supporters is so……….gaan speel met jou hoenders man!!!!!
22 Apr 2008, 13:14 pm
The Saint
Hierdie Pudding Face dikgatte het die Stormers gewen. ***, wanneer laas het die Stormers die Bulls gewen??
22 Apr 2008, 13:17 pm
lol @ saint
22 Apr 2008, 13:17 pm
#81 kwensie:
As jy net leef om die Stormers te wen, en dit dan jou seisoen volmaak maak, is dit jou probleem my vriend, daar is 12 ander spanne ook, onthou dit maar…
Middag Steyna
My hoenders is dood, onthou jy nie?
22 Apr 2008, 13:19 pm
#83 thesaint: Ek weet hulle is dood….dit is hoekom ek se gaan speel met hulle.
Daai pot is groot jy moet roer boet………
22 Apr 2008, 13:19 pm
#80 Steyn the Disgusted Bull:
Jy weet ek het net die hoogste respek vir Tolbooth Will, GBS en SUPA, julle is nie ingesluit nie…
22 Apr 2008, 13:19 pm
#73 thesaint: My vet vriend, miskien is ons Bulls net nie bereid om 6 seisoene te wag soos julle geduldige klomp boomrokers nie….
Ons aanvaar nie die stront van hierdie jaar nie want ons is nie tevrede met enigiets behalwe ‘n voluit poging nie.
Natuurlik kan die Bulls, selfs met meeste van hul bestaande spelers, beter doen……. dit gaan oor motivering, passie en geestelike ingesteldheid……. soos uitgestal hierdie afgelope Saterdag toe die Bulls spelers eenvoudig gesê het “genoeg is fokkeennnn genoeg, ons SAL opstaan”
Ludeke MOET ‘n groot deel van die blaam dra as man-manager en motiveerder vir die swak poging hierdie jaar.
……… en moenie met die kakk kom dat die Bulls nie onder die ELV’s kan gedy nie……… dis loutere tos !
22 Apr 2008, 13:20 pm
Ag Steyn, jy mors jou asem met thesaint, dis net blah blah blah
22 Apr 2008, 13:21 pm
Saint jy oraait vandag.
Wie het in jou pap gekak vanoggend?
22 Apr 2008, 13:22 pm
Mirrag die wat ek noggie gegroet hettie!!
22 Apr 2008, 13:22 pm
86 Goooooo GBS!!!!! kan nie glo dat hy kom rant en rave hier, genade ons moes dan 6 jaar na hulle geween en gekners van tande luister!!!!
22 Apr 2008, 13:22 pm
#86 grootblousmile: Dis nie ek nie GBS, die Blou Bul Maatskappy het dit gepubliseer in hulle persverklaring…
Hulle het gesê: “Die Blou Bulle kon dit nie regkry om soos die ander spanne die ELV’s implementeer nie”
Nie my woorde nie, julle span s’n…
22 Apr 2008, 13:22 pm
Hello Kwagga!!!!!!
22 Apr 2008, 13:23 pm
#90 Tripple E: Wie is jy mannetjie? Jy het klaarblyklik nie ‘n clue met wie jy praat nie, jy beter by die huis kom sodat jou ma kan kinders tel…
22 Apr 2008, 13:24 pm
#88 KWAGGA ROBERTSE: He he he, net so bietjie stoom afgeblaas…
22 Apr 2008, 13:24 pm
Manne julle is meer as welkom om met my te verskil maar die Bulls is by verre die mees ‘passionate’ supporters in die land. Ons duld eenvoudig nie kuk nie. WP manne sal vir 6 jaar toekyk hoe hulle span vir n bol kak gaan en niks daaraan doen nie. Rugby lewe in elke Bulls supporter se hart. Dis nie net naweek vermaak nie. Dis deel van ons lewens.
Voel vry om te chirp hieroor ek voel fukkol maar in julle harte weet julle dis die waarheid.
22 Apr 2008, 13:25 pm
#93 thesaint:
EEE is eintlik ‘n vroutjie!!! LOL.
Sy doen die telwerk.
22 Apr 2008, 13:25 pm
#93 thesaint: Tripple E is n
lady…..nie soos die goet wat jy optel nie!!!!!!..hehehehehe.
Die stormer supporters se bekke is lekker groot
22 Apr 2008, 13:27 pm
#69 Tripple E: Tripple – don’t confuse the issue – Ludeke does’nt know how to coach – full stop! He F’ed up the Lions with the old rules and a not so bad team and now he id F’ing up the Bulls with a good team and the ELV’s ! What figures? I wonder who he has got something on to still be in the coaching world?
22 Apr 2008, 13:27 pm
Hallo Kwagga
Ek kom kuier daar in julle dorpie die naweek. Kyk uit vir my, ek is die ou met die Camry waaruit die Sharks vlag wapper.
22 Apr 2008, 13:27 pm
#93 thesaint:
hahahaha jy gaan buk vir ‘n pakslae boetie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
22 Apr 2008, 13:27 pm
#94 thesaint:
Nee ek sien jy is nukkerig…hehehehe.
22 Apr 2008, 13:28 pm
#95 KWAGGA ROBERTSE: Daar is ‘n verskil tussen passievol en temperamenteel…
Ons het vir 6 jaar, elke Saterdag Nuweland nog steeds vol gesit en ondersteun, ons het geweet dinge kan beter, al het ons nie trofee’s nie, het ons darem nie SO kuk gedoen nie…
Elke nou en dan het die manne iets BRILJANT gedoen, wat ons dan vir nog 10 games laat kans sien het, dis Passie my maat, om jou span te boikot en die games nie eers by te woon nie, is net swak…
22 Apr 2008, 13:29 pm
#83 thesaint: Jou hoenders is dood, maar:
Why did the Chicken cross the road:
ESKOM: I do not care as long as he saved 10% electricity crossing the road.
KINDERGARTEN TEACHER: To get to the other side.
JAN F.E. CELLIERS: Dis die hoender, dis die pad, dis al.
NATANIEL: Ek was vreeslik op my nerves vir sy part tot hy anderkant gekom het. Ek dink dit was stunning.
NAAS BOTHA: Aan die einde van die dag maak dit nie saak hoeveel Keer hy oor die straat is nie. Wat saak maak is die telbord.
NELSON MANDELA: It was his long walk to freedom. A true Rainbow chicken.
PIETER-DIRK UYS: Was dit ‘n he-chicken of ‘n she-chicken? Does it Pik?
ALLAN BOESAK: How can the motives of a chicken who had done so much for chickenhood be questioned? It must have “struggled” to cross the road.
DULLA OMAR: I am sure the chicken is innocent. He did what he did because of the apartheid legacy.
NGCONDE BALFOUR: The government will ensure that a fair quota of black chickens cross the road as well. Why should black chickens remain on this side of the road? I only watch black chickens crossing the road anyway…
TREVOR MANUEL: Makes me think: we don’t tax chickens crossing roads yet….
VAN SCHALKWYK: Let’s join the chicken and cross the road!
TONY LEON: No matter where the chicken goes, we have the guts to fight back.
DESMOND TUTU: We should have crossed the road with him. Together we will make a difference
THABO MBEKI: I don’t really have an opinion about this…
MARK SHUTTLEWORTH: I would have paid a million to see the chicken cross the road!
MUGABE: Stop that chicken! It must be repossessed together with the farm it belongs to. And the farm on the opposite side of the road, where It was going, and all the chickens on both farms. Repossess it all. And it’s nobody’s business what I do in my country. It is Britain ‘s fault for bringing chickens here anyway.
JACOB ZUMA: The showers were across the road
MANTO: Whish schicken (hic!) – I saw many … pink shikkins
22 Apr 2008, 13:29 pm
Trip
Slaan sy gat aanie brand!!!!!!
Snoek
Waar in Petoorsdorp gaan jy rondsluip?
22 Apr 2008, 13:29 pm
Nothing wrong with Saint, he is just doing what his Rice Krispies told him to do this morning…
22 Apr 2008, 13:29 pm
#98 Gr8ter:
that is exactly my point tooooooo!!!! he is useless…..was just reacting to that rantings of thesaint my friend
22 Apr 2008, 13:30 pm
#100 Tripple E: Ek is die SAINT, eens die sameroeper van die Keo Broederbond, vra vir die mense wat nog uit Keo se glory days oor is, hulle ken my…
22 Apr 2008, 13:30 pm
EEE, like jy dit as die manne bietjie buk?!
22 Apr 2008, 13:31 pm
#102 thesaint: nee, al wat dit wys is…julle sal daar sit en die kuk op vreet jaar na jaar….ons wys ons sal nie sit en die kuk op vreet nie….net die beste is goed genoeg vir n bul…..
Julle is gewoont aan n span wat verloor…en nou dat julle n paar games wen…..nou is alles weer reg……vir ons gaan dit oor die ding huis toe bring..nie net deel van dit is nie….
Kom nou Siant…….jy weet mos nou al
22 Apr 2008, 13:31 pm
After listening to that damn boring show on Kyknet last night I could not help but wonder, was this Johan oke on drugs and would any of the Bulls supporters that ******* and moans on this show do any better than the guys in charge.
Always easy to shout from the terraces.
22 Apr 2008, 13:32 pm
#102 thesaint:
Ek **** wat jy sê maar onthou daai sêding van different strokes for different oks”
Stem ook nie saam met die hele boikot van games en kak nie maar as dit hulle tot hulle blerrie sinne ruk sal ek bly wees.
Tekens van die tye as jy my vra. Ons volg die res van die land se voorbeeld en strike en maak kak as ons nie ons sin kry nie…..sad indeed
22 Apr 2008, 13:32 pm
By the way, Tacitus, for a mid-level management position in New Zealand you’re looking at an average of between NZ$60,000 – NZ$80,000 per year.
The median house price in Auckland is NZ$443,000; the national median house price is NZ$343,500.
22 Apr 2008, 13:32 pm
snoek # 99
niemand hier in pta het meer vlae wat wapper en die enigste hoeters wat mens saterdae **** is die taxis s’n
22 Apr 2008, 13:33 pm
PissAnt
How the hell are you? It’s been ages…
(Do the Crispies talk to you too?) hehe
22 Apr 2008, 13:33 pm
#102 thesaint:
Ag please man….Nuweland was baie leeg gewees en julle het julle span netso hard ‘n hele paar keer gekoggel en geboe…..Nuweland is nou vir die eerste keer in jare weer vol…..en ek love dit, ek love dit as al die spanne perform!!!!
105 – maybe he sniffed his pro-nutro and smoked his weetbix too? who knows
22 Apr 2008, 13:33 pm
Kwagga
Ek gaan dalk nie so available vir die Tahs game wees nie (moontlike familie stories…), maar die een daarna met die Brumbies book ek nou al vir n ordentlike kuier!
22 Apr 2008, 13:34 pm
Ag I’s good hey, kicking it up here in CPT now.
22 Apr 2008, 13:34 pm
Ek ken nie die plek so goed nie, maar dit is daar in Menlyn se omgewing.
22 Apr 2008, 13:35 pm
#108 King Shark:
Juffrou Gouws?
22 Apr 2008, 13:35 pm
If the rules suddenly changed in favour of a game where driving mauls, set piece play and tactical kicking were the dominant factors, then the Stormers and Sharks would be moaning about not being able to adapt.
The Bulls had a style of play that worked for them for a long time. It is the good fortune of the more flashy teams like the Stormers that the ELV’s just happen to suit their style of play more.
The Bulls will adapt, but it will take a while. Then you’ll be getting clobbered on a regular basis again.
I love the self-righteousness with which some southern fans take pride in the fact that they were able to ADAPT to the ELV’s as if this was somehow an achievement on their part. In truth, they were just LUCKY that the ELV’s happened to suit the style they have ALWAYS played, and require far less adaptation than it did for the likes of the Bulls or even for national teams like England.
Tomorrow the rules may change back again, or maybe in 10 years time all kicking will be outlawed, or perhaps scrums will be abolished altogether. Then the Fijians will rule the world of rugby and the Stormers will moan as loud as the teams with a more traditional style of play.
To me it seems more like a case of good fortune than wonderful foresight or great adaptation skills.
22 Apr 2008, 13:35 pm
#113 daniel: My Sharks vlag wapper elke Saterdag nog
22 Apr 2008, 13:35 pm
#110 PissAnt: Unfortunately I also watched the show, especially laughed at the idiot that said, Rassie is trying to take the competitive edge out of scrumming, getting the Stormers to scrum uncontested the whole time…
The whole time being 7 scrums in 9 games…
22 Apr 2008, 13:36 pm
#118 Snoek:
As jy nie te besig is nie moet ons kyk of iewers oor die naweek n koue enetjie kan deurwerk. Sal weer later innie week reelings tref.
King
Nee dis reg ou mater ek is hier vir altwee games so laat weet net
22 Apr 2008, 13:37 pm
107 I stand in AWE!!!!!!
22 Apr 2008, 13:37 pm
#121
dis ok.
solank dit nie blou is nie.
dis noggal stil en rustig hier bo op die oomblik.
Bulls doen hul deel vir load shedding en skakel saterdae vir 2 ure af
22 Apr 2008, 13:38 pm
#115 Tripple E: Never as empty as Loftus…
#120 Traditional Style of Play meaning “The English Approach” vir ‘n klomp hardegat afrikaans sprekendes geniet julle darem erg die manier hoe die rooinekke dinge doen…
22 Apr 2008, 13:39 pm
#119 KWAGGA ROBERTSE:
Bwaaahahahahaha
22 Apr 2008, 13:39 pm
#124 Tripple E: JA JA OK, I know it sounds pathetic…hehe
22 Apr 2008, 13:41 pm
#123 KWAGGA ROBERTSE:
Dit klink goed, ek soek nog ‘n plek om die Sharks game te kyk.
22 Apr 2008, 13:41 pm
#74 WP Till I Die:
Western Province also have the best record of any Provincial Team Anywhere against the AB’s.
In fact they have a Superior record to Argentina, Ireland , Scotland, England and the British and Irish Lions. Weepees take a bow.
22 Apr 2008, 13:41 pm
#121 King Shark:
en my bulls vlaggie ook **** hehehe, ek het so gelag daar is ‘n ou in Genl Louis Botha daar by Constantia park, sy vlag vlieg halfmas as die bulle verloor en vlieg hoog as hulle wen……shame het die hele seisoen amper halfmas gevlieg
22 Apr 2008, 13:42 pm
#120 Tacitus: The ELV’s are also known as the Stellenbosch Rule Variations, luck has nothing to do with it…
22 Apr 2008, 13:42 pm
#120 Tacitus: I think your being a little self righteous yoursellf – Some teams do adapt better than others – some teams have a particular composition that lends itself to a type of play – lets face facts in SA we are always slow at imbracing change – its in our history – be that as it may when you’ve got some thing to crow about do it we all get our turn (all except the Lions)!
22 Apr 2008, 13:42 pm
Kwagga, Cuzzy, EEE en ander Pta bewoners. Ek gaan verseker die week n bier of twee moet drink – ek heel flippen week of training by die werk, of honeursklasse. Genoeg om myself te bekuk. Skree as julle julself in so n plek bevind…
Vir nou moet ek eers gaan. Daar is twee eiendomsagente wat nou opgedoner moet word.
22 Apr 2008, 13:43 pm
#129 Snoek:
Sal iets gereel kry en jou laat weet.
King Shark maar dan moet ons n iets aan die gang kry dat ons die kerel iewers kry vir n Sprite en n half white.
22 Apr 2008, 13:44 pm
#128 thesaint:
Ok Saint – skietstilstand – hehehe
22 Apr 2008, 13:44 pm
#131 Tripple E:
Dink hy het hom daar vas gegom na die Hurricanes game!!!
22 Apr 2008, 13:45 pm
In defence of Tacitus, it is the Bulls style of play that wins us World Cups.
22 Apr 2008, 13:45 pm
Saint
Hello daar ou grote!!!
Hoe hang die balle in Pumaland?
22 Apr 2008, 13:46 pm
Mirrag ou Pietta. TV nog op sy plek of het hy weer gekak….hehehehe
22 Apr 2008, 13:46 pm
Kwagga
Klink mooi.
As jy nie die skimp gevang het nie: wanneer drink ons n bier? Vandag, more of oormore?!
22 Apr 2008, 13:46 pm
The Bulls style as well Ex-WP & Ex-Natal kicking boots, on both occasions…hehe
22 Apr 2008, 13:47 pm
Pietman, dis DONNERS koud hierso, was gisteraand -5 grade…
22 Apr 2008, 13:48 pm
#141 King Shark:
Kom ons ruk n ding Donnerdag deur die keel
22 Apr 2008, 13:50 pm
OK ek is weg. Praat later.
22 Apr 2008, 13:50 pm
Klink goed. Ons reel later – kyk wie hierrond jy nog kan dorsmaak! Cheers ouens!
22 Apr 2008, 13:50 pm
#144 KWAGGA ROBERTSE: Daar is soveel maniere om dit te sê, en 90% van die ander maniere klink nie asof Jurie Els jou gaan verkrag nie…
22 Apr 2008, 13:52 pm
Well, just got back from Thibault Square.
No Ryan.
22 Apr 2008, 13:52 pm
Kwagga
Moenie praat nie, Pampeon is nie beindruk met my nie!
Gelukkig nie gebreek nie, dit het op die bed geval, langs haar, maar dit kon erg gewees het as die ding haar raak geval het.
Ek het die tv nou geskuif na die ander hoek, vir die volgende Stormers game, nodeloos om te se…..
Saint
Ja, hier het ons nou ons eerste lentedae, ek is gatvol vir koue, dit was n lang winter vanjaar.
Wanneer is die troue?
22 Apr 2008, 13:54 pm
#149 Pietman: Seker Desember 2009, ek hoop so, ons kyk maar of sy dit met my uithou…
22 Apr 2008, 13:54 pm
#148 Dawn: Lucky fish, that Ryan…
22 Apr 2008, 13:56 pm
#120 Tacitus: driving mauls, set piece play and tactical kicking are very much part of the elv’s – if you want them to be.
i think you are missing the point – elv’s need quick decisions because of the plethora of free kicks. not like the old days when teams had time to ponder what to do with a penalty.
22 Apr 2008, 13:56 pm
The next time he stands me up he will find himself in intensive care.
22 Apr 2008, 13:59 pm
#152 charo: Tacitus often misses the point, nothing new there…
22 Apr 2008, 13:59 pm
#153 Dawn: If you can find him that is, he seems very agile…hehe
22 Apr 2008, 14:00 pm
#153 Dawn: hahahaha howzit Dawn?
22 Apr 2008, 14:01 pm
Where’s Ruck today?
22 Apr 2008, 14:04 pm
#148 Dawn:
You still got it Babe.
22 Apr 2008, 14:05 pm
Taciturn, I don’t want to look back in 3 years from now and say we should have gotten rid of Ludekak in 2008. The gamble is too great. If we were 5th or 6th and playing better every weekend, yes, there is an argument that he must stick around.
But we are the biggest disaster in the history of Super14 rugby. Never has a team imploded like we did. It is a horrendous thing to be a Bulls supporter now. Ludekak makes me want to puke the way he f@$#ked up the Bulls.
There are no excuses and he must f#$k off now.
If he sticks around we will suck in 2009 and 2010 and then he will go like with the Cats. Sure, we may end up 6th or 7th but those places are reserved for teams like the Stormers and Lions whose supporters accept patheticness. We are different. We will not accept pathetciness.
FL is not Jake White. Jake White had a plan which he openly laid before the public. What is Ludekak’s plan? What is it? Tell me. Tell me what his plan is.
He must f@$#k off now. I got offered box tickets last weekend. I declined them. I will not go to Loftus to support a Bulls team coached by Ludekak.
22 Apr 2008, 14:05 pm
Ryan babes.
How could you keep me waiting like that?
22 Apr 2008, 14:05 pm
Halloooooo Saint en die ander ouens hier wat NIE hulle rugby ken nie.
Matfield moet sy kop laat lees om terug te wil kom. 3 Seisoene daar en hy het moer baie geld. Nou wil hier op Loftus kom staan en na Liefling en luister….en dit in ‘n span wat op die afdraende pad is……hy gaan nou nie so ‘n moerse verskil maak nie.
22 Apr 2008, 14:07 pm
#159 BlueBlood: Type slower, spell better…
Even though we are mid-table magicians (The Stormers that is) we never ended at the bottom, NEVER, you guys have been there a few times now, is it really as much fun as you guys make it out to be?
22 Apr 2008, 14:09 pm
Blueblood
I think the plan is to get Eddie Jones in after his 3 year stint at Saracens. Jones himself hinted as much in his interview on the Bulls site a couple of weeks ago.
Until then, I don’t think they have a Plan B.
22 Apr 2008, 14:10 pm
#159 BlueBlood: “He must f@$#k off now. I got offered box tickets last weekend. I declined them. I will not go to Loftus to support a Bulls team coached by Ludekak.”
You are a part of what is wrong with Blue Bull Rugby (Mooiweers-ondersteuners), Why did the BB Company appoint Ludeke, why can your players not tackle anymore, surely it’s not Ludeke tackling for them?
22 Apr 2008, 14:11 pm
I reckon BB just bliksemed his screen with a brick after reading that comment from Saint now.
22 Apr 2008, 14:13 pm
the’aint’, you guys chose to accept the rubbish the Stormers were dishing up over the last few years. That is your decision.
At the Bulls we choose not to accept rubbish. Is that a crime?
22 Apr 2008, 14:13 pm
You know the Bulls won when you see Tacitus posting.
Good on you Ludeke.
22 Apr 2008, 14:13 pm
Matt Dunning has a new nickname!!
“The Hedge”……Looks bug and impenetrable but you can go right through him.
22 Apr 2008, 14:15 pm
bug = big
22 Apr 2008, 14:16 pm
Bug.
That’s true.
22 Apr 2008, 14:18 pm
#166 BlueBlood: Again, I am theSaint not the’aint…
Secondly, we have had to watch your boring rubbish for quite a few years now…
Face it, a coach can only do so much, you had 13 players, that played in 2007′s Super 14 final, in your team against the Hurricanes. Are you telling me, there isn’t enough natural talent in Pretoria to play at least competitive losing rugby?
Your team’s players are to blame, pure and simple, they are like spoilt children, they need to be disciplined…
The Bluebulls are up to ****, and Ludeke is a pathetic coach! I agree, but it’s not all him, definitely not all him!
22 Apr 2008, 14:19 pm
#159 BlueBlood: the only ‘patheticness’ we stormers supporters accept is the ‘patheticness’ of bulls supporters such as blueblood, g13g, etc
22 Apr 2008, 14:22 pm
I reckon the Streets in Pretoria stay clean these days, met die dat die “Bloubul nou weer van die vloer af eet” hehehe
22 Apr 2008, 14:23 pm
Hey Saint, jy moet moooooi wees met my maatjie EEE, ek en sy was saam op skool in matriek, net so skuins na die Groot Trek !
PS ! Sy het mooi dogters ook indien jou verlowing nie uitwerk nie…… hehehe
22 Apr 2008, 14:24 pm
Ah now I get it. Thanks Saint.
So what you’re saying is that we should be more like the Stormers fans. Meaning that we’ll then get the same reaction and results from the Union’s management. (Which is 6 years of low to no performance.)
So, if we gladly support the team while they are dishing up bad rugby, we can look forward to contending for a semi-final spot again in…say…2014.
Thanks, but I think I’ll stick to throwing my toys out the cot now, and getting us back on track by the time of the 2008 Currie Cup.
22 Apr 2008, 14:25 pm
Wow. A North vs South debate, rapidly devolving into a mudslinging contest.
Just another day on keo it seems…
22 Apr 2008, 14:27 pm
Hey wat soek julle WP Moegoes hier op ‘n Bulle thread…….. f-off !!
Hehehehe
22 Apr 2008, 14:27 pm
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the great BlueBulls.
Who can forget how we crushed the sharks in Shark tank, claim the Super14 title for first time and then we went to France and Won the Worldcup.
No South African team has ever done that before and i doubt will do again.
We would be on semi-final this year had a few calls came to our side .So they a bit tired and who can blaim the great BlueBulls.
So Victor stay there as you have won every title in SA!!
Bly by die blou.
22 Apr 2008, 14:28 pm
Strange that when the S14 goes pear shaped the wait for the CC argument comes up.
CC is up to maggots judging by last years finalist’s result in the S14 so far
22 Apr 2008, 14:29 pm
#175 Tacitus: Tacidoos, what I said was, Frans Ludeke is not your main problem, your problem is your players, but hey, do what you guys do so well, SULK, fire everyone, do the Bafana Bafana thing, strike and toyi-toyi, excellent, it wouldn’t change the fact that you are a bunch of whining sissy boys who couldn’t even beat the Reds, and that your current crop of players, even with Graham Henry or Robbie Deans at the helm, couldn’t play their way out of a wet paper bag…
22 Apr 2008, 14:30 pm
Not that I am actually interested in becoming involved, but what does throwing your toys out of the cot, as a normal supporter of a team, going to do to change the fortunes of your team?
You think management, and Ludeke gives a **** on what people say here on Keo?
22 Apr 2008, 14:31 pm
Saint probeer “fight Club” stir hier………. hehehe Saint jou flokkkerrrrr !
22 Apr 2008, 14:32 pm
Middag mense??
I see their are in house fights about the Bulls here. I as a Sharks supporter agree that Ludeke must make like a tree and branch! The Bulls have quality players and should still have been in contention for a play off place even if Ludeke is there! He is the reason! Finish and klaar!
22 Apr 2008, 14:32 pm
#180 PissAnt: I am certain if he reads this he will regret the fact that he has a cushy job with major benefits, and resign, because people don’t like him very much…hehe
22 Apr 2008, 14:33 pm
But who am I to judge?
The last two times the amateur arm or supporters forum of the Blue Bulls tried to show muscle by giving a vote of no confidence in a coach the respective coaches went on to win the Super 14 (Meyer) and the World Cup (White).
So the supporters obviously know what they are talking about…
22 Apr 2008, 14:33 pm
#181 grootblousmile: EK? NOOOOIT!!!
22 Apr 2008, 14:34 pm
My personal opinion, I dont think Vic will be back. He’ll get a better offer from Toulon (money) and will stay to the end of his career.
22 Apr 2008, 14:34 pm
#184 PissAnt: They call their Flyhalve LIEFLING!!! Enough said…
22 Apr 2008, 14:35 pm
#180 PissAnt: Mr Mier, to be fair, the Bulls Union is taking seriaaaaaaaas note of the unhappyness of us Bulls supporters, quite evident in their statement of 16 April 2008.
If we don’t moan & groan and display our dismay there would be something wrong with us !
There is nothing wrong with me……. with me………. with me……….
22 Apr 2008, 14:36 pm
12 players from last years final???? Ludeke!!!
22 Apr 2008, 14:36 pm
#179 thesaint: Saint your both right and wrong. As they say in the classics a fish rotts from the head! I think that the Bulls have some very good payers and should be a lot more competative and I think a coach lile Deans or Henry would have produced diffrent results – Frans is just plain **** – he couldn’t do it at the Lions and is prooving it again at the Bulls! The players must also bear some of the blame after all its a professional sport – you get paid top $ to perform!
22 Apr 2008, 14:37 pm
#175 Tacitus:
So where were you, oh, about ten years ago?
1998: Bulls 2nd last
1999: Bulls last
2000: Bulls 2nd last
2001: Bulls last
2002: Bulls last
Now, I’d classify that as “low to no performance” as you put it, for five years. Did you throw your toys out of the cot then, too, Tacitus?
Or, more likely, have you only recently started supporting Bulls?
22 Apr 2008, 14:37 pm
Pissant:
Haha. No, Keo – as much as some of the bloggers seem to think otherwise – is not the world. I am actually referring to voting with your feet, staying away from the stadium, picketing in front of Loftus, drawing up petitions and sending email complaints to Loftus etc etc.
All of these things have been taking place or have been in the planning phases, and to such an extent that it requried a formal response from the CEO via the press.
12000 people pitching for a game at Loftus last week really made the statement. It seems to me like the guys in Cape Town liked to whinge when Kobus van der Merwe was coach, but they still pitched up at the stadium on Saturday after Saturday, meaning that their complaints fell on deaf ears since it didn’t affect the bottom line.
Believe me, Van Graan felt it on Saturday. And the pressure on Ludeke increased exponentially, in my opinion.
22 Apr 2008, 14:37 pm
I say keep Ludeke…this will help the Reds record at least a win every year,
22 Apr 2008, 14:37 pm
#184 PissAnt: U said it all. game set match!!!!
22 Apr 2008, 14:38 pm
Jizuz okes, cool it. Lets all be nice to each other and instead rave about Watson’s hand in the Stormers super try this past weekend. Now wouldn’t that be alot more pleasant than the current handbag’s bickering?
22 Apr 2008, 14:38 pm
#188 grootblousmile: You are right they really take you guys up very seriously, what did that statement say again? “Ludeke’s job is not in jeopardy!!!”
Mauler
It’s not Ludeke, its Puddingface Fourie, Seephandjies Rossouw, Drillbakkies Botha and the rest of the behemoths…not forgetting “I Should have been a Prop” Nel
22 Apr 2008, 14:41 pm
I personally know about ten guys who suddenly started supporting the Bulls a year or two ago. I can’t help but feel like it’s their just dessert after jumping ship from their previous teams.
But hey, I guess everyone likes a winner. Speaking of which, I’ve also noticed quite a lot of new Stormers supporters coming out of the woodwork.
I **** in their general direction, these unprincipled “mooiweersvriend” supporters…
22 Apr 2008, 14:41 pm
#190 Gr8ter: When I checked the last time, both the Cheetahs & The Lions (The Cats) were doing pretty k@k, Ludeke isn’t there anymore…
22 Apr 2008, 14:42 pm
Ek sal maar die galgtou en die Jakarandaboom ding MOET doen met Ludeke……. want ek gaan nie vir 5 jaar opgeskeep sit met hierdie twakkies nie…….
22 Apr 2008, 14:42 pm
#197 WP Till I Die: Ya, I hate those “draadsitting” bokd@se!
22 Apr 2008, 14:42 pm
#192 Tacitus: Oh don’t you believe it – the Bulls won last week the faithful will flood Loftus again! It will be a while before Ludeke makes an exit!
22 Apr 2008, 14:43 pm
184/PissAnt
That was brilliant Sir, could not have wished for better.
22 Apr 2008, 14:45 pm
Thats the problem with this country. The majority accepts patheticness. If the govt. stuffs up people just accept it and sugarcoat it by saying things like ‘oh but it happens in Mongolia too’, ask Rangerman, the oke who justifies crime but saying that it is a worldwide problem.
Why should we accept Ludekak? No reason too. He had his chance. Jannie Botterbal could at least have made 6th or 7th spot with the Super14 champs.
The’aint, who calls their flyhalf liefling? Not the Bulls. Don’t even go there because the WP are the tinkerbells of SA rugby. Look at Bobby girl and Percy. Percy remains the only player to have the unique ability to always face the camera regardless of the direction he is running in.
22 Apr 2008, 14:45 pm
#197 WP Till I Die:
And that is reason we love supporters like Tac and G13. True allegiance to the end.
22 Apr 2008, 14:45 pm
#201 Gr8ter: The faithful? Surely you meant to say “two-timing sons of *******” hehe
22 Apr 2008, 14:45 pm
#200 thesaint: They are not true supporters of the game! Just want to say they support a winning side when they are around a fire toasting a chop so they can fit in!
22 Apr 2008, 14:47 pm
Why coloureds can’t be terrorists:
We are always late. We would have missed all 4 flights.
“Mooi kinnes” on the plane would have distracted us.
We talk loud and would bring attention to ourselves.
Met free kos en cooldrink oppie plane, we’ll soema forget why we’re there.
We praat with our hands, so we’ll continually be putting the weapons down.
We would ALL want to fly the freaking plane, ending in a moerse fight with each other.
We’ll somma argue and start a fight in the terminal before we even get on the plane & one of us bound will say out loud: “Gaan kak man! dan hijack jy die ****** plane alleen!!
Os kannie ‘n secret hou nie. We would have told everyone a week before doing it, telling them: Moet vir niemand sê nie, ho!
We would have insisted that the plane fly past Strandfontein Pavillion.
We would have all lined up to get our photograph taken by one of the hostages.
When we enter the cockpit, we would have used the intercom system for a karaoke session, with one doos trying to sing ‘I did it my way”.
We would first rob everyone’s of their Ray-Bans, cellphones and goldteeth, just before we crash the plane.
Our whole freaking family plus neighbors would have been at the airport to see us off, crying their bladdie eyes out, and your mother saying to the white ou next to her: I’m so proud of him. It’s the first time he’s hijacking a plane!
We would have dressed like terrorists for our airport go-way clothes: balaclavas, jumpsuits, karate skoentjies, dark glasses, en ‘n moerse attitude.
Two of us would have forgotten our passports at home.
Three of us would have overweight luggage.
All of us would have luggage.
We would have all wanted to watch the in-flight movie finished first.
Before we went over into action, we would have all queued up at the toilet to first gel our hair.
We would have taken the plane for a joyride first, played the music at full blast and try to park the plane somewhere where kinnes can see us.
22 Apr 2008, 14:48 pm
Tac,
Van Graan is appointed by individuals over which you, and Joe Soap on the street has no influence over, unless of course, you are an active member of an affiliated club within the union.
Ludeke, is appointed on these very same principles.
The Lions has survived as a union through back-stabbing, baatjie vir boeties and similar tactics with only 5 people pitching up for games in the last 5 years, so it did not actually affect their bottom line now did it? So how will it affect the Bulls’?
The Lions, WP and SARU are 3 major entities within SA Rugby that has bordered on annual financial losses for more than a couple of years now, yet they still go about doing things exactly the same way things have been done in the last 20 years and even longer.
I remember telling you specifically during the whole Spears saga a while back that be careful on how you interpret decisions made, as was the case with the Spears, where tactics are used to stab people in the back and screw people out of opportunities, money and games, i.e. success in rugby – because if it is done today to one guy, nothing stops it from being done tomorrow to another guy, maybe even a guy that screwed guy A in the first place!
You can picket all you want to, you can exceed the Bill Gates emails of paying you $1 for every mail you forward with petitions, fact remains, these guys at the top, does not gives a rats *** what you do mate.
As long as they are in their positions of power, you are powerless.
Which brings me back to another thing I have told you and many others before; supporters in SA Rugby deserve exactly what they get from administrators in our game…
Because as long as their kak decision making does not affect you, you are happy and even defend it – as soon as it affects you however, which it surely will any supporter irrespective of what team you support, you want to picket and sign petitions…
22 Apr 2008, 14:49 pm
#203 BlueBlood: Are you denying that Derick Hougaard is “Die Liefling van Loftus?” and that he has his own theme song? That is sacriledge you better watch your back in Pretoria hey, I know a few oompies that will gut you like a fish…
Oh, and Percy and Bobby both lost their jobs at WP and went to the Sharks, we give them(the sharks) all the credit…
22 Apr 2008, 14:49 pm
I am Gods gift to rugby.
May as well be the headlines after reading the latest SA Rugby mag. Meyer will win every S14,or World Cup or Curry Cup or Pretoria North under 10 league, if only only he had been given the opportunity to put his vision into practice.
Thank you God, he is not the coach and Victor not the captain.
22 Apr 2008, 14:50 pm
#205 thesaint: Supportes are fickle – I went to Kings Park for home games when Natal played B division – would like to see most of the “fans” do that today!
22 Apr 2008, 14:51 pm
#203 BB
Pity that Bob and Percy must be brought up.
Skinstad had more natural talent in one finger than all the Bulls loosies combined.
Percy, who was booed at loftus, has certainly showed that they know f…all about rugby.
Danie and JP look like idiots so they play like idiots.
Province guys look sharp so they play sharp
22 Apr 2008, 14:52 pm
Woohoo!
22 Apr 2008, 14:54 pm
#211 Gr8ter: Same here, I am a Stormer, and will stay a Stormer, through good and bad, yes, we had bad, but the wheel always turns…
22 Apr 2008, 14:54 pm
#203 BlueBlood: And Wynan Olievier isn’t a poser????!!!! BB are full of them as well!
22 Apr 2008, 14:56 pm
OK, I’m out!
22 Apr 2008, 14:57 pm
#209 thesaint:
Thanks for giving Percy and Bobby to us, we developed them into world cup gold.
22 Apr 2008, 14:57 pm
#214 thesaint: The Lions are still trying to invent this wheel.
22 Apr 2008, 14:58 pm
Saint
Its def coaching! The Stormers only have a few new guys in the team. Last year players like Moller werent even mentioned! Look at him now that Rassie is there. Jantjies is playing some of the best rugby in his career! Coincidence? The locks? Rassie! Chavanga? Rassie! The list goes on. Ludeke has no inspiration at the Bulls! If the Lions and The Cheetahs won their close games they would have been mid table now! So you cant compare it!
22 Apr 2008, 14:59 pm
#214 thesaint: it does indeed – we had Kevin “Bloody” Putt for a while you had Kobus – the Lions & the Bulls had Frans ( pity BB didn’t learn from the Lions mistake).
22 Apr 2008, 14:59 pm
Only a Blue Bull supporter would ever challenge the pedigree of Percy or Bobby, Bob was never a favourite of mine but with all respect he was a great player! Percy on the other hand is on paper the according to stats that i think count the Best Springbok – most caps, most points, (i think most tries in Green and gold)!!! How can you muppets challenge this!!!
Are you trying to say you got to be an ugly F#$ck to play good rugby? Clearly it’s a Bulls requirement only!
22 Apr 2008, 15:00 pm
Ek’s freegin honger, ek forkoff nou om te gaan eet……… dink ek moet biltong ook gaan koop……. en kondensmelk…….. en sweets…….
22 Apr 2008, 15:03 pm
#219 THE MAULER: Too true – on paper a few years ago no one would have given the Cheetas a chance to win the CC – Rassie took a average team and made them great – I’m sure he will have the same effect in WP – its all about passion, belief and unity!
22 Apr 2008, 15:04 pm
Pissant
Van Graan is accountable for the financial performance of the Bulls. By the accounts of some of the players (Kuun, if I recall correctly), he flew over to Perth specifically to give the squad an earfull about the financial consequences of empty stadiums if they didn’t lift their game.
I disagree with you therefore. If the bottomline feels it, then the CEO feels it.
I cannot speak for the Lions or WP, but at the Bulls the effect of the supporters unhappiness – specifically their stay away action from the stadium – has had and will continue to have a significant impact.
Van Graan may stick it out to give Ludeke a more than fair chance to prove himself, but the pressure he is under is undeniable.
What happens at the Lions is anyone’s guess, as they ceased to be a major union about a decade ago. Let’s face it, they are in such a state that they struggle to attract and retain top players to their franchise.
The Bulls fans are FAR more volatile and impatient than the fans of any other union, and their tolerance for lack of performance seems to be very low. (Maybe because of the stark memories of the 90′s, a return of which they want to avoid at all costs.)
22 Apr 2008, 15:05 pm
#212
You forgot their hooker, seriously is that the best they have .they should try and make jp nel a hooker
22 Apr 2008, 15:05 pm
middag moffies ……..
o, en middag aan al die stormers, sharks, lions en cheetahs ondersteuners!
22 Apr 2008, 15:07 pm
#219 THE MAULER: You’re right brother…… it’s coaching……
It’s making the team believe in the coach…….
It’s man-management and motivation.
It’s about not picking doooooooooose like Demas.
It’s about laying the law down about dicipline !
It’s about picking the right assistants to enhance / supplement the coaching staff.
It’s about Ludeke’s inability to do all the above !
22 Apr 2008, 15:08 pm
How does Warren Buffet put it? In the business world, the rear view mirror is a lot cleaner than the windscreen!
#14 Tacitus:
“The Bulls union’ success is built for the most part on structures and culture, rather than pure technical coaching expertise. In that context Ludeke’s appointment makes sense.
Especially if Meyer is envisaging returning at some point in the future as Director of Bulls Coaching.
Protecting the family culture at the Bulls is of primary concern. The results will follow after that.
As for the Bok position: Of course White is going to recommend whatever candidate will regard his own possible future involvement/influence most favourably.
Personally, given SARU’s rocky relationship with White, I reckon White’s recommendation might well be the final nail in the coffin for Allistair’s bid.
Teh smart money is still on Heyneke.”
22 Apr 2008, 15:09 pm
Oops, that didn’t work properly. Anyway, the comment byline should read:
14 Tacitus
December 5th, 2007 at 9:40 am
22 Apr 2008, 15:09 pm
Tac,
Mallet also flew over a year or so back and I remember some tongue lashing after a loss to Boland by WP a while back too.
IN a professional environment it does show at the end for sure, but unfortunately once the damage has been done like the case is with the Lions, it is almost impossible to reverse.
I simply believe that for all this to change, and for the supporters’ voices to truly mean something with actions as mentioned above, rugby needs a constitutional change at SARU level making the companies (unions) answerable to investors from all walks of life.
Until that happens, we are pissing against the wind mate.
22 Apr 2008, 15:11 pm
Privatise rugby !!
22 Apr 2008, 15:14 pm
WPTILLIDIE
What’s the point of that? I got it right that Allistair wouldn’t get the Bok job.
I said Heyenke would, and I was wrong by 1 vote. We all know the circumstances surrounding that decision.
As for Ludeke, well, he has been a disappointment, hasn’t he. That’s why I am in favour of the supporters insisting on drastic action.
22 Apr 2008, 15:15 pm
#227 grootblousmile: Sounds like the Bulls need kamp staaldraad!
You are right, but it’s also about different thinking and not drilling routines into teams, they need to use thier flair, the bulls have some great players but when you drill the natural flair out of players you basically remove sections of their skills tool box they need to differentiate themselves and win games! Good coaches playing the Bulls can read their rigid structure like a book and they pay for this approach to the game!
22 Apr 2008, 15:15 pm
It’s safe here on the ground, under the flying missiles.
22 Apr 2008, 15:17 pm
#228 WP Till I Die: Is that egg on Tac’s face?
22 Apr 2008, 15:17 pm
thesaint & WP till I die:
Super rugby:
2008 Bulls 16 Stormers 9
2007 Bulls 49 Stormers 12
2006 Bulls 43 Stormers 10
2005 Bulls 75 Stormers 14
22 Apr 2008, 15:19 pm
Im not saying Bobbygirl and Percy couldn’t play rugby or didn’t have talent. I am saying that they are tinkerbells who were afraid to get dirty.
We must kick FL now, or we will go back to those dark days of 1998 – 2001.
22 Apr 2008, 15:20 pm
#236 Eina bliksem!!!!! So hoe kuk is dan nou eintlik. Sien 2008 is ook n wen…..sjoe
22 Apr 2008, 15:22 pm
Egg on my face? For predicting a good S14 for a team full of World Cup and S14 champions?
If believing that such a team will do well is outrageous, then I fully accept that label. Any reasonable person, however, would no doubt believe otherwise.
In fact, Ladbrokes had the Bulls as 3rd favourites for the 2008 title, when the competition kicked off. So I guess I wasn’t completely alone in my thinking…
22 Apr 2008, 15:24 pm
#233 PlayBall: For sure, a head coach MUST have the vision to assess the strenghts and weaknesses in his group, to then decide on how to most effectively implement that so that the strenghts are enhanced and the weaknesses minimalised….
I say the head coach needs not be the most astute technical coach but a master tactitian and superb man-manager. His assistants however need to be excellent technical coaches.
For a looooooong time I have believed most of our coaches in SA has neglected flair and natural talent and wrongly forced overly rigid structures off on individual players and teams…….
22 Apr 2008, 15:25 pm
Bulls Stormers
1996 Semi Finalists 1999 Semi Finalists
2005 Semi Finalists 2004 Semi Finalists
2006 Semi Finalists
2007 Champs
22 Apr 2008, 15:25 pm
Tinkerbelle!
Just a matter of time before that came out.
22 Apr 2008, 15:27 pm
1998: Stormers 9th, Bulls 11th
1999: Stormers 2nd, Bulls 12th
2000: Stormers 5th, Bulls 11th
2001: Stormers 7th, Bulls 12th
2002: Stormers 7th, Bulls 12th
At least the Stormers were never, ever wooden spooners…
22 Apr 2008, 15:29 pm
Bulls
1996 Semi’s
2005 Semi’s
2006 Semi’s
2007 Champs
Stormers
1999 Semi’s
2004 Semi’s
22 Apr 2008, 15:30 pm
Ons MOES mos ‘n paar houtlepels bymekaarmaak om mee PAP te roer…….. daar innie Kaap eet julle mossie pap nie !
Hehehehe
22 Apr 2008, 15:33 pm
243-True, both teams have had their ups and downs. I’m trying to encourage some fact-based balance!
22 Apr 2008, 15:34 pm
Lions (Transvaal)
1993 – Champions
22 Apr 2008, 15:36 pm
Super Rugby ranking table, showing the ranking point positions of each team since the first Super 12 match in 1996:
1. Crusaders (87.6315)
2. Sharks (84.7636)
3. Chiefs (83.9305)
4. Waratahs (83.4056)
5. Hurricanes (82.9247)
6. Stormers (82.8433)
7. Brumbies (81.9590)
8. Blues (79.9765)
9. Bulls (78.2094)
10. Force (77.2454)
11. Reds (76.4332)
12. Cheetahs (74.3490)
13. Highlanders (73.4055)
14. Lions (72.9227)
22 Apr 2008, 15:36 pm
You go Tacitus!
Sock it to ‘em!
22 Apr 2008, 15:37 pm
#247 katman: 1995 – World Champs.
22 Apr 2008, 15:37 pm
No denying we sucked 1998 – 2002 but we can not allow ourselves to go back to that time.
Going from being champs in 2007 to the rubbish in 2008 is like walking into the promised land and finding the place inhabited by Aussies.
22 Apr 2008, 15:37 pm
This is quite hilarious, me and Klipspinnekop are engaging in some statistical karate!
22 Apr 2008, 15:39 pm
Julle kan probeer maar julle sal nooit vir Tacitus buig nie.
22 Apr 2008, 15:40 pm
248-Nice one-about what I suspected.
22 Apr 2008, 15:44 pm
#248 WP Till I Die: Looks quite similar to the current table?
22 Apr 2008, 15:44 pm
#237
You have a rather disturbing fixation with Tinkerbelles china.
By your use of the word I am assuming you are saying that Bobby and Percy are weak and fragile folk.
Are you perhaps forgetting that Percy played over half the world cup final with torn knee ligaments and performed like a Trojan, kicking all his goals and staying immensely calm under pressure. If that’s a tinkerbelle I wanna be one too
22 Apr 2008, 15:45 pm
Stats can say anything…….
Face it, this year the Bulls are kaaaaaaaaaaak, last year the Stormers were kaaaaaaak.
What is important is that we do not accept that the Bulls are now kaaaaak and that something is done to remedy the situation…….. that’s all……
All this bragging / show off stunts and stats about “my DAD was bigger than your DAD years ago…….. now your DAD is bigger than my DAD” is utter bullshit !
A bigger & better BULLS, STORMERS, SHARKS, CHEETAHS & LIONS is better for all of South Africa !
22 Apr 2008, 15:48 pm
Ah, here’s one for greatest13gerber:
Rangi was standing on the doorstep watching Tama collect rubbish. As Tama went past Rangi he yelled, “Hey, bro, where’s your bin?” Rangi replied: “I bin in Australia.” “NO,” replies Tama, “where’s your Wheelie Bin?” Rangi grins and says, “Oh, I wheelie bin in jail, but I tell people I bin in Australia.”
22 Apr 2008, 15:59 pm
So let me get this straight, we are now disputing who is the better team, bulls or Stormers? And everyone wants to force their team down on the other, and then say how great it is to stay true to your team? Very confusing… I mean we all know the Stormers are better…
But in all seriousness, FL is useless and my only fear is that if the Bulls start winning now (maybe help the Stormers), FL will say: See it just needed time!
Could the changing of a captain make such a difference?
22 Apr 2008, 15:59 pm
there is still only 1 stat that really counts…..
Bulls 20 Sharks 19
The Stormers may never have been wooden spooners…..but they haven’t been actual champs yet either.
So who would you say is the most succesful?
hell, when did WP last win a CC? or the Sharks for that matter? Did their vodacom cup side ever actually win it?
Do you okes actually know what winning and being champions means?
22 Apr 2008, 16:08 pm
nice brawl folks, i am off to the pub.
the bulls suck this year and i think it is a combination of bad administration, bad coaching and bad attitudes.
blueblood
i did not condone crime anywhere you crackhead. lol, you still banging that tinkerbelle drum? you are probably a tinkerbelle yourself mate. go sing liefling and cheer for your team you nut, its when a team is down that they NEED support, when they are up its a bonus!
sheesh, thought fans knew that!
22 Apr 2008, 16:17 pm
the biggest problem Ludeke has now is that it would appear that he has lost the changing room.
…this usually means curtains in any sport.
To compare the bulls off 2008 with the Bulls of the late 90′s is laughable. Look at the talent availible at Ludeke’s disposal compared with what Meyer had to initially work with.Hell, the recently selected junior Bok side is 70% Bulls.
Ironically, I still imagine that ludeke has a wealth of rugby knowlege and know-how, but he misses that key ingredient….a little luck. Give me a lucky coach over a good one any day.Sure, there must be massive planning and all other aspects that go into a head coaching position, but finally, regardless of how great your work is during the week, a coach is strictly judged on 80 minutes every saterday. Important wins at the right time saved jake whites arse many times. Imagine the Bulls had beaten the sharks,blues and force….all games they probably should have won.Hell, imagine the players had taken all the early chances against the Reds. The Bulls would be looking at an extra 16+points on the log and would now be contemplating semi-final time.
Ludeke, as a coach, does not appear to get wins at the right time.
I also class Meyer in the good as well as lucky category, had Derrik Hougaard not won him a CC in 2003 I think he would have got the boot also. The rest is history
22 Apr 2008, 16:58 pm
#22 Tacitus: Holy **** – Tacitus & Gerbs together. I’m speechless.
Almost.
Tacs – I don’t think you get any extra points for your pristine assortment of Blue Bulls collectibles. I think that the JamJams and duvet cover will have to be left behind – you ok with that?
22 Apr 2008, 17:17 pm
SodaJoe, and the Pierre Spies *** doll
22 Apr 2008, 17:24 pm
Vergeet van Matfield, hy kom nie terug nie.
Hy het nou die groot geld geproe.
Sy volgende stop is die UK.
Hy sal nie weer terugkom Pretoria toe nie.
22 Apr 2008, 17:27 pm
Hello Pietman en Boerboel
Ja Matfield gaan dalk Northamton toe…klink my baie ponde aangebied.
22 Apr 2008, 17:28 pm
#264 Boerboel: Hahaha goeie een!!!!
22 Apr 2008, 17:31 pm
#247 katman: Katmancan’t/won’t/don’t – glad to see you still have a sense of humour relative to the Mighty Lions.
We need Shaun Edwards or Graham Henry, or Pissant.
22 Apr 2008, 17:32 pm
#266 K9_BaasPatrolliehond:
Ek dink Bakkies is ook op pad.
22 Apr 2008, 17:34 pm
#264 Boerboel: The one with the blue undies? I think he would rather die than leave that behind.
22 Apr 2008, 17:36 pm
Yes manne
22 Apr 2008, 17:37 pm
I was always interested in Tacitus’ screenname. Here’s some illumination for all:
Publius (or Gaius) Cornelius Tacitus (ca. 56 – ca. 117) was a senator and a historian of the Roman Empire. The surviving portions of his two major works—the Annals and the Histories—examine the reigns of the Roman Emperors Tiberius, Claudius, Nero and those that reigned in the Year of the Four Emperors. These two works span the history of the Roman Empire from the death of Augustus in 14 AD to (presumably) the death of emperor Domitian in 96 AD. There are significant lacunae in the surviving texts.
Other works by Tacitus discuss oratory (in dialogue format, see Dialogus de oratoribus), Germania (in De origine et situ Germanorum), and biographical notes about his father-in-law Agricola, primarily during his campaign in Britannia (see De vita et moribus Iulii Agricolae).
Tacitus’ historiographical style in his major works is annalistic. An author writing in the latter part of the Silver Age of Latin literature, his work is distinguished by a boldness and sharpness of wit, and a compact and sometimes unconventional use of Latin.
So the biggest difference is that the Roman Tacitus wrote in an annalistic style – whilst our beloved Blue Bulls Broer writes in an analistic style – he’s far up his own arse and usually speaks ****.
Interesting.
22 Apr 2008, 17:37 pm
K9, ek dink ons Storemers supporters moet die Stormers/Lions westryd daar by julle kom kyk. Sal jy kan kaartjies reël
22 Apr 2008, 17:37 pm
#270 SodaJoe: haha…..with a WO wig…….
22 Apr 2008, 17:40 pm
#273 Boerboel: Dit sal nou GREAT wees. Ek sal kyk wat ek kan doen. Sal bietjie by daai ander klomp stormpies **** wat sê hulle ook……
22 Apr 2008, 17:41 pm
Ons ry net nie trein nie!! Ons sal maar moet vlieg.
22 Apr 2008, 17:47 pm
#276 Boerboel: Ja-nee…treinry is uit soos visvang in ‘n geyser. Ek sal ook nie weer nie. Vlieg en kry klaar.
22 Apr 2008, 18:16 pm
Jy weet K9, in my jongdae het ek gereeld trein gery Upington/Stellenbosch. Dit was lekker met eetsalon en skoon beddegoed. Deesdae is dit blykbaar heel anders.
22 Apr 2008, 18:24 pm
If he what he says then he has no choice BUT to come back. Many of the WC guys should remember that they would probably not have been there if not of Bulls. Think about it, most WC guys came from the Sharks and Bulls, and the Cheetahs had a few, arguably there based on their CC results. And in 1995, where did alot of the squad come from, and who was the first team to then win a super series. YES the TvL.
The Stormers/ WP had ONE guy in the squad at the end of the WC, but look where rugby in the Cape is now…
Bakkies, Matfield, Fourie, Habana and the whole bloody lot should remember where they come from or just **** off. SARU should place a limit on players going overseas, hopefully they will realise the real shade of green then…
Personally I feel that Matfield should be shocked and horrered about what is going on at the Bulls SO much, that he would have no choise BUT to return. And when he returns and the Bulls are back to (almost) full strenth, and if they still do bad, people will stop using the KAK excuse that the Bulls lost valuable players (John Smit, Butch James, Percivelle), and realise that Ludicrous should not ever again come near a rugby field.
22 Apr 2008, 18:25 pm
sorry “If he means what he says”
22 Apr 2008, 18:31 pm
Steph, excuse my ignorance, but are you a boy or a girl?
22 Apr 2008, 19:00 pm
South Africa should join the Top 14 rather then the Super 14
that way we keep the players, the better money and we are in
the same time zone for the braai. Best of all we move away
from those awful Kiwi refs and commentators who think that
rugby revolves around them.
22 Apr 2008, 19:17 pm
Here in Toulon, i think that Matfield will leave us to go back to SA.
Sure he’s winning alot of money but he doesn’t seem very motivated to play. My guess is he’ll outlook the pay and go back to the one club he loves, even though it’s not fairing well in 2008 and people aren’t happy with coach FL.
It seems ridiculous to think that he’ll move to Northampton, or they must have made a truely great offer. But as he said, he could be set for life by staying in Toulon a bit longer.
Go where you’re happy Victor.
As for #18′s question, we have two “foreigners” in Toulon (for the league) and Anton Oliver leaving at the end of the season will leave one spot available for one aussie/NZ player
22 Apr 2008, 19:33 pm
STORMER FANS….
Boerboel has come up with a FAN-******-TASTIC IDEA…
We fly up to Jhb for our boys last game against the Lions on the 17th of May….C’mon folk – air travel is cheap….Ellis Park is cheap and our boys opposition is cheap…..(JOKING..GRRRR FANS)
It will be a blast and we would be sure to be on the telly….
22 Apr 2008, 19:35 pm
Romain, we must do all we can to prevent Victor from coming back. We are a disgrace and he must stay away to protect his good name. Rather, he must go to England and allow us to try and salvage something from the ashes of our once mighty Blue Empire. We are faced with an impossible challenge, but still we go on.
22 Apr 2008, 20:01 pm
Darth BlueBlood Vader – do not be so pessimistic. It might be a double edged sword (coz you might have to keep Ludeke) but don’t write off your beloved Blue Empire yet.
22 Apr 2008, 20:02 pm
#284 ruck(STILLTHINKFLECKSHOULDCOACHTHEBULLS): Robbie would just be punching everyone in sight. He might even punch his own players.
22 Apr 2008, 20:07 pm
#287 – Robbie is ideal for the Bulls…He is a moral, humble and culturally sensitive dude. He is also my FAVE FAVE player of all ****** time….(anywhere in the world – ever)
And you don’t think some of those Bulls players need a good ****** punch? hahaha
I WILL CONTINUE WITH MY CAMPAIGN…..
22 Apr 2008, 20:10 pm
Blueblood, the Bulls have changed into Tinkerbells!! Do you agree?
22 Apr 2008, 20:11 pm
Could have been a legend – Greatest13Fleck (aaargh imagine another sibling in Aukland) if he kept his mitts down and mouth shut.
On the field – which is all I know of him – and you know him personally.
Did you read the Coastal thread yesterday? All time best ever.
22 Apr 2008, 20:15 pm
Blueblood, what about calling your team the Tinkerbell Bulls
22 Apr 2008, 20:30 pm
ek het klaar tickets vir daai game kani wag ni gaan my stormers trui met groot trots daai dag dra………….
22 Apr 2008, 21:29 pm
This isn’t a chatroom for rockspiders. It’s a rugby forum. In English.
22 Apr 2008, 21:34 pm
Tackler
Hierdie chatroom is vir ouens wat die WorldCup gewen het. En jy is buitendien net so ‘n rockspider soos die meeste van ons.
22 Apr 2008, 21:47 pm
Hi Kingpaul, ignoreer die dr@l.
Hoe gaan dit met jou?
22 Apr 2008, 21:50 pm
Tackler moenie hierdie boere die moer in maak. Rugby is tweetalig.
Can’t understand why I responded.
Just when you were developing a sense of humor.
23 Apr 2008, 00:15 am
i must say the bulls fans are feeling q
23 Apr 2008, 09:00 am
Boerboel. Boy, like Stef Bos… ja, I know. It happens, unfortunately.
23 Apr 2008, 09:11 am
#264 St.Petersburgbok:
Agree, BUT Jake didn’t leave things up to chance, especially at the world cup-he even had tha guys learning French to counter the lineout calls, should we play them in the Semis or final. And as a one Gary Player once said, “Gholf is a game of luck but the more I play, the luckier I get.” Point is, Ludicrous-useless can create his own luck, but I just don’t think he has it.
(It=balls)
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