Big Vic: I miss SA
24 Apr 2008
Victor Matfield was feeling a bit homesick when SA Rugby magazine’s Ryan Vrede visited him in Toulon.
‘You know the A80 highway, right?’ Sure. ‘Take the A80 from the training ground in the direction of Marseilles. You’ll see the Carquieranne signboards after about 10km and you want to veer off right then. Follow the road through three roundabouts before hitting a left. The road winds through a mountain and you’ll get to Avenue De Mist. I’m number 42. There’s a big green gate in the front. You can’t miss it.’
It seemed simple enough for SA Rugby magazine to find Victor Matfield’s Toulon home. Two and a half days in the southern France city was enough to inspire confidence that it would be a simple mission – even though by this stage I was convinced the GPS system was in need of exorcism.
It turned out to be mission impossible.
Twenty minutes pass and we have already called Matfield four times to ask for directions. A half hour later we’re in the meandering pass through the mountain that takes you up to Matfield’s home. Our Renault Clio rental is not keen on the steep incline, accelerating uphill with the speed, power and enthusiasm of a 40-year-old Os du Randt.
The road is so narrow that only one car can pass at a time, with the other forced into the dense bush that lines the roadside. Armed with the knowledge that the French place absolutely no material value on their vehicles, we end up in that bush more times than we care to remember. The arduous journey does, however, seem worthwhile when we arrive at Matfield’s pad.
Three storeys tall, the Provençal-style home overlooks the Mediterranean, the harbour and Carquieranne town centre. It’s like a scene from one of those movies your girlfriend insists you watch, and you secretly enjoy, despite your manly grunts to the contrary. George Gregan stays in a nearby suburb he’s dubbed ‘California’, while Andrew Mehrtens and Tana Umaga stay within 5km of Matfield. Monaco and St Tropez are a short drive away, and the island of Corsica can be seen from Matfield’s balcony. ‘I had the choice of staying there,’ he points out, ‘but travelling to and from practice would have been an absolute nightmare.’
During the 2007 World Cup, Matfield made two trips to Toulon to look at houses the club had picked out for him. Perhaps ‘houses’ is an inaccurate term (mansions would be more apt) because no expense was spared in ensuring that he would be comfortable in his new surroundings. Money wasn’t an issue when it came to his home. The club took care of it in the same way it set him up with everything else he needed or wanted. He is negotiating the trip between Toulon’s training ground and home in a club-sponsored Golf GTI, until his Toureg, a high-class SUV, arrives. Toulon is in the process of fully furnishing his home, and someone at the club’s head office would probably make the 30km trip from the city centre to mow his lawn or stir his coffee if he asked.
To say Matfield is worshipped in Toulon would be an understatement. Rugby is a religion in the city. And Matfield is God.
It’s a morning practice and about 100 middle-aged chain-smoking Frenchmen have turned up to watch their deity train alongside legendary team-mates Gregan, Merhtens, Anton Oliver and head coach Umaga.
By the afternoon session that number had swelled to 300 (I’m told that the captain’s run on Fridays attracts about 2 000 spectators), all discussing one thing: the impact Matfield has made since his arrival.
Matfield took just two minutes into his debut to capture the hearts of the Toulon faithful. His first contribution was a sinew-ripping tackle, before he stole two line-outs. Then he proved to be a secure target for Oliver to aim at on their own throw. Five minutes later he was dragged down 10m from the tryline.
‘If he had scored from that try the stadium would have cracked in half because of the noise the fans would have made,’ Patrick Fornet, president of the Toulon supporters club, says. ‘Matfield has been an absolute star for us.
Here in Toulon, Matfield is God.’
‘God’ takes 20 minutes to make the 80m walk from the car park to the change room before practice. Signing autographs, posing for pictures and talking rugby with his disciples has become part and parcel of daily life. So much so that ‘God’ took an hour to get to the post-match function after an away game to Mont-De-Marsan – and Toulon lost that one.
But even ‘God’ isn’t resting on his laurels. Matfield’s work ethic at practice is outstanding, and his conditioning is certainly not in question. He consistently beats loose forwards in 20m sprints and was at the head of the pack in repeat 80m brisk runs. His team-mates report that his gym work is unmatched and he has voluntarily taken highly rated France U20 lock Yoann Maestri under his wing.
‘Honestly, there were two primary factors for me coming here – the money and the appeal of being able to spend more time with my family,’ Matfield explains.
‘Two or three seasons here would set me up for life financially, and being able to see my wife Monja and daughter Jaime every day is something I’m loving. But there’s a perception that I’ve got an easy ride here, that I just take it slow and don’t really put in the effort. That’s rubbish. I work as hard and put in as much effort as I have at any stage of my career. I realise that with my price tag comes a responsibility to perform at a consistently exceptional level. I feel that pressure every day. I’m very aware that the expectations are extremely high.’
Monja is lounging on an oversized couch reading a magazine in the living room. It’s a glorious winter day in Toulon and sunlight is flooding the room, illuminating the space to good effect. It clearly lacks a woman’s touch, something she insists will change in the coming weeks. She arrived from Pretoria the day before we visited, having had to take care of the paperwork that sealed the sale of their luxury home and oversaw the renovations to another equally extravagant home on the outskirts of the city.
‘Monja’s been really great while I’ve been here,’ Matfield says, staring endearingly at his wife. ‘I’d be useless without her. I really missed her and Jaime while they were still back in South Africa, but the boys from the club took good care of me while I was alone.’
Wednesday night poker was one such pastime for Matfield. Toulon’s Pacific Island contingent are the organisers-in-chief, with former Sharks flanker Nico Breedt acting as Matfield’s wingman. ‘I’ve finished second twice and made about 60 euros off the boys. The first prize is usually about 100 euros although it has gone up to 300 euros when guys have got serious and bought back into the game.
‘I also had the South African guys [Breedt, Francois van Schouwenburg, Wessel Roux, Lawrence Sephaka and Chris Rossouw] over to my place for a braai. Man, it was freezing that night, but we made damn sure the wood caught fire so that we could at least just get a taste of some braaivleis. I was really missing home at that stage.’
Matfield still misses home terribly. It’s the week leading up to the opening round of the Super 14. His beloved Bulls are playing the Stormers and every day is a battle to try to banish thoughts about what it would have been like to be part of the build-up to that match, the sort of analysis he would have done on the Stormers’ line-out, the Bulls’ approach …
‘I think I made the move to France two years too early,’ Matfield reveals. ‘The decision to come here was based on the fact that I believed I had two years of international rugby left in me. In my mind, the Lions tour in 2009 was going to be my final series, so I decided that it would be good to finish by experiencing a different rugby culture and be paid handsomely for it in the process. Then, after the World Cup, I felt great. At this stage I want to play Test rugby for another four years, with the World Cup in New Zealand the obvious target. If I want to realise that goal, I need to be playing my rugby in South Africa.
‘You’d think that I grew tired of the pressure back home, but I really miss it for some strange reason. To test yourself against the world’s best players weekly is a privilege, and something that I miss terribly. Toulon is a great club and I‘m still dead set on playing my part in getting us into the Top 14. They’ve been very good to me, and for that I’ll be eternally grateful. But the Bulls have a special place in my heart. I miss what we’ve built up over the last eight years. The majority of that squad went through hell in the early 2000s in the Super 12. We came through that together and won the competition last year. So there’s a strong bond between the guys.’
Matfield’s tone and body language when discussing this subject tells the story of a man on the verge of returning to his first love. He has an escape clause in his contract that stipulates he is free to leave Toulon after six months. The question was begging to be asked.
‘If I can get stuff sorted out with Toulon and back in South Africa, I’ll probably be coming home,’ he says. ‘Guys coming over here have to be clear in their motivation. If they’re coming here for the retirement package and more time with their families, there really isn’t a better place than France, Toulon in particular. But if they still have ambitions to achieve something in South Africa, those “what if” questions will always be there. Those questions have haunted me a lot since I‘ve been here.’
But you’ve achieved everything you could in South Africa, I offer.
‘You’d think so, but the challenge is to surpass the standards we’ve set, whether it be with the Boks or Bulls. I know what it’s like to be gunning for the Crusaders, who were the top dogs in the Super 14. Now I want to experience being in their position, where everyone is gunning for you. To win the tournament like that would be a totally different experience. I want to win the Tri-Nations by winning four games, for example, and not sneaking through on bonus points. Do you know, I’ve never won a Test match in New Zealand? Those are unfulfilled goals.’
Matfield’s in the groove now. He’s relaxed and is speaking openly about issues that bother him. None has done so more than the saga of his supposed support of Heyneke Meyer for the Bok coaching job. Matfield’s voice is laced with irritation when he recounts the events of late November and early December 2007.
‘People were saying that I was backing Heyneke, but that’s not entirely true. I’d already signed for Toulon at that stage, but I had an escape clause in my contract that said if he became the Bok coach I would be able to play the Super 14 in South Africa.
‘Before I signed, he had approached me and asked me to stay if he got the job. Heyneke has done a lot for me, so I agreed. Now he’s not the Bok coach but I still feel I want to go back home and play for the Boks and the Bulls.
‘I have no issue with Peter de Villiers. Some sections of the media have suggested that my relationship with Peter will be strained because I was seen to have backed his main competitor. That’s rubbish. If he, or any of the other guys who were on the short list, had asked me early enough and provided good reasons for me to stay in SA, I would have considered it in the same way I considered Heyneke’s request.’
The other issue that eats at Matfield is the prevailing perception that he was the main instigator of the plot to lure Bulls and Bok team-mate Bakkies Botha to Toulon.
‘I had nothing to do with Bakkies’s dealings with Toulon,’ Matfield asserts. ‘He called me to ask me what the club was like to play for and how difficult it has been to adjust to the culture, and I gave him my opinions. Not at any stage did I say, “Bakkies, you have to come to Toulon”. That would be very irresponsible of me because I’m not even sure if I’m going to be staying here. The people of Toulon really want him to come, but that decision is between him and the Bulls. I have and want nothing to do with that.’
For the next four months Matfield has his sights set on success with Toulon. He’s already the club’s ten-pin bowling champion and has the purple trophy on his dining room mantelpiece to prove it. Now a slightly higher and more illustrious honour beckons: winning the French Pro Division 2, thereby securing promotion to the Top 14.
To achieve that will take a collective effort from some of the most gifted individuals in the game’s history. But history has warned that outrageously gifted individuals seldom ensure success. Spanish football giants Real Madrid experienced this in the latter stages of their Galácticos era in mid-2000 whereas English football’s big spenders Chelsea are struggling to keep pace with the league’s leaders.
‘I don’t think a collection of stars make a good team,’ says Matfield. ‘If you look at the greatest teams in the world, you’ll see that they have a good blend of exceptional players and honest grafters. I can only be as good as the guys next to me, so to expect Toulon to wipe the floor with everyone just because we have Gregan, Oliver, Mehrtens and Matfield is unrealistic. Gregan is one man with limited influence on a match, so is Oliver and Mehrtens. Matfield is not God.’
Sorry Vic, but that’s not what we heard.
By Ryan Vrede
This article first appeared in the April issue of SA Rugby magazine. The May issue is on sale now.
108 Comments
24 Apr 2008, 10:36 am
Why would he come back? I can think of no reasons, considering the picture sketched in this article. Lucky (gifted) bugger!
24 Apr 2008, 10:44 am
Stay there Vic, you have got it made son!
Nothing in Pretoria for you.
24 Apr 2008, 10:54 am
#2 Pietman: Except his “liefling” he he!
24 Apr 2008, 11:05 am
Wait a while Vic. I will give you the all clear to return, but until you hear from me stay overseas.
First there is some work to be done, otherwise you will be dragged down by the Dark Prophet that has come to destroy our empire.
24 Apr 2008, 11:16 am
France is such a lekker place, pity about the French.
24 Apr 2008, 11:23 am
Kom maar huistoe ou grote.
24 Apr 2008, 11:23 am
Jissus die man is darem baie baie sexy.
Oozes from every pore.
Ryan get that car out the ditch. Couldn’t the Monarchs organise you a 4 wheel drive. Renault indeed. Pffft.
24 Apr 2008, 11:25 am
i almost shed a tear…
dawn you are one under sexed overly horny old ****** he he…
24 Apr 2008, 11:28 am
Where’s he gone!!!
Put that picture back!!!!
NOW
24 Apr 2008, 11:30 am
#8 crikey_mate_did you see that shark:
Be careful.
You know not what you do.
24 Apr 2008, 11:32 am
I mean really.
I can’t help it if you are an overweight wannabe Aussie with skin the colour of a maggot’s ***.
Women would far rather look at Vic than at anyone who uses “crikey” in their nic.
You jealous of him? You better be.
24 Apr 2008, 11:36 am
Can someone please explain to me what that low-res picture file is doing at the bottom of this article. Is it even relevant to the interview with Vic?
24 Apr 2008, 11:36 am
he he dumb and undersexed…
i am true gent from the coast who surfs for a living, but you just really seem to take to many viagra (an by the way, they are for toppies) with you disprin and coke in the morning…
probably a stormer or bulls supporter as well…
24 Apr 2008, 11:36 am
“Victor Matfield was feeling a bit homesick when SA Rugby magazine’s Ryan Vrede visited him in Toulon A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO.”
A very slow day in paradise then?
24 Apr 2008, 11:39 am
it is so that tannie dawn can keep up bobZ
24 Apr 2008, 11:40 am
#13 crikey_mate_did you see that shark:
Are you calling me dumb?
Are you calling yourself a “true gent”?
You have a problem with women who like looking at attractive men?
Do you by any chance have a miniscule ****?
24 Apr 2008, 11:41 am
You surf for a living.
Part of the great ******* unwashed then.
24 Apr 2008, 11:42 am
“under sexed overly horny old ****** he he…”
He he he he indeed.
24 Apr 2008, 11:43 am
didnt think it will take long for that true colours and language to come out tannie dawn…
i am so glad you can read…
yes
yes
no
yes, only 23cm, i cry at night…
24 Apr 2008, 11:44 am
how was it when they pulled those front teeth tannie dawn?
24 Apr 2008, 11:44 am
dont worry i am sending a bottle of paarl perle and quality spirits to guide you through the day…
24 Apr 2008, 11:46 am
it is tough waking up and going to the ocean everyday for work, and touring around, but i get by handsomely thank you, and thank you for asking…
24 Apr 2008, 11:49 am
okay tannie, enjoy your nap…
time for me to go be washed up again…
24 Apr 2008, 11:51 am
#7 Dawn: Calm down Dawn – The Yetirat will get you for that comment – rugby only – no lewed thoughts!!! You have been warned!
24 Apr 2008, 11:59 am
“…and he has voluntarily taken highly rated France U20 lock Yoann Maestri under his wing.”
The thing that worries me most about our star players applying their trade in EU. What about our up and coming talents? In a couple of yrs this Meastri will be the new ‘maestro’ stealing Saffa ball in the line outs and considered to be the best on the planet, all due to ol’ Vic’s specialist coaching. SA and NZ has got to find a solution for the player drain. Albeit their (NH) players get less gametime but in return their youngsters get to learn from the worlds best.
24 Apr 2008, 12:01 pm
No Dawn do not find this Springbok at all cute! I will not go into what he reminds me of! But fortunately he is not paid to be cute but to play good rugby which he excells in so no complaints by me! Except to agree with Blue Blood above and I am not even a Bulls Supporter! Don’t come back yet Vic, stay in Europe till we tell you its safe to come home!
24 Apr 2008, 12:04 pm
#25 BokiNZ: what worries me too, is that its common knowledge that to improve and remain sharp you need tough oposition, it is common knowledge that the SH’s rugby is the best in the world, having played against “weaker” oposition will our players plying their trade in the North be as good a player as they were when they were constantly tested by the toughest oposition?
24 Apr 2008, 12:06 pm
Jordy, are you still out there?
24 Apr 2008, 12:10 pm
The first name on PDV list
24 Apr 2008, 12:12 pm
“under sexed overly horny old ****** he he…”
Ever try telling this to your girlfriend?
And for your information I am not some spirits swilling disprin popping toothless person.
Do you enjoy insulting women the way you do.
24 Apr 2008, 12:13 pm
I cannot comprehend how some men can be decent towards women, and some just downright abusive.
24 Apr 2008, 12:14 pm
#27 GirlShark: No problem with that GS. But the shift in balance too great. IMO. I mean, look at it! Toulon, a 2nd division club, has Matfield, Merthens, Gregan, Oliver and Umaga all the same venue. That is a lot of ‘knowledge’ gathered in 1 team. So Matfield is playing mentor to this Maestri and who knows what the other internationals are up to? Then ask yourself the question, who do we get? Tony Brown and Michalak? Comes down to money I guess.
24 Apr 2008, 12:14 pm
Crikey
You’re a marked man.
24 Apr 2008, 12:22 pm
Vic this, Vic that.
Stay in France or come back. Get on with it, will you?
Let’s play the game.
24 Apr 2008, 12:26 pm
#27 GirlShark: hey girlshark, not sure I agree with you on that one, I think overseas experience makes them better players, take Percy for example. I think the unfamiliar conditions forces them to become metally tougher, and exposure to the different styles tends to round off their games niecly, making them more complete players.
24 Apr 2008, 12:32 pm
#35 sondebok: You have a point there! Percy was definitely a more mature player when he came back and he mentored our youngsters like JP, Stephan the same! Yep I definitely would have to agree with you!
24 Apr 2008, 13:04 pm
Snor City calls. Vic feels he’s been away Toulon. He’s a tight forward and Toulon play Toulouse for his liking.
24 Apr 2008, 13:18 pm
Fantastically written article, as well rounded and perfectly balanced as a boerie roll!
24 Apr 2008, 13:27 pm
Tackler!
24 Apr 2008, 14:03 pm
how old was that article … why so long to print it here?
24 Apr 2008, 14:12 pm
#40 church – like chch but pronounceable: otherwise no one would have bought the magazine!
24 Apr 2008, 14:23 pm
tackler – just because you have a mullet and can’t grow a snor, doesn’t mean you have to be nasty
i have noticed that the stormers record agaist the highlanders is not pretty….everyone expecting the stormers to roll them??
what’s going on with superbru? 4 sharkies heading the table…come on guys, time to start thinking with your heads and not your hearts
24 Apr 2008, 14:25 pm
#38 your nick could be offensive to the chinese!
24 Apr 2008, 14:29 pm
i still think vic is doing subliminal advertising for red bull…
24 Apr 2008, 14:36 pm
#41 GirlShark
oh, ok
24 Apr 2008, 14:49 pm
# 43 how would you know, are you dyslexic?
24 Apr 2008, 15:07 pm
37 TheTackler
April 24th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
Snor City calls. Vic feels he’s been away Toulon. He’s a tight forward and Toulon play Toulouse for his liking.
Now that is a classy post.
24 Apr 2008, 15:16 pm
#46 no, i am chinese, you cnut!!
24 Apr 2008, 15:29 pm
Doubt he reads the comments but as a gut with a family living abroad its a clear decision (not easy decision):
He has proven himself as a rugby player, nothin else to accomplish. If he stays on he is set for life, him as well as his family.
If he goes back to SA he may not have a club to come back to in 3 years time – as its only question of time before all this gets regulated more by IRB.
Plus – his family is safe, and his kids actually have a future. If he goes to SA, his kids will get on a plane abroad when they’re 18 and the family will be split up.
At the very least, try and land some form of permanent residency in France – owner is powerful guy…use that. Then entertain going to SA for x months / 1-2 years…but make sure u can return – only way to ensure that is by getting the visa papers in hand, then returning frequently enough to keep it active.
24 Apr 2008, 15:33 pm
#48 BuckT:
Cool, so can you explain why it may be offensive?
24 Apr 2008, 15:44 pm
Tackler – that’s one of the best posts ever. Pretty good.
Dawn – if u act like a *** people treat u like a ***, its that simple. So calm down.
24 Apr 2008, 15:44 pm
Can anyone explain?
24 Apr 2008, 15:50 pm
#51 Johannes Expatinus:
Hi,
I thought that the original comment was over the top. Dawn could have done better in response.
Please use arrows.
Cheers
24 Apr 2008, 15:52 pm
#49 Johannes Expatinus:
yep common sence. Get that passport. In France it may take a while though
24 Apr 2008, 15:54 pm
Chch -
TNUC EHT translated to cantonese means:
Ur piepie is like tiny nuke engulfed with hair and tattoos.
I took chinese at school, in case I am faced with questions like these one day…
24 Apr 2008, 15:55 pm
I found SA beautiful. Why do all Saffers want to leave their homeland?
24 Apr 2008, 16:01 pm
#56 Saturday:
Quality of life is the obvious answer
Tough decision for anyone to make
one world no borders please
24 Apr 2008, 16:03 pm
#55 Johannes Expatinus:
BuckT should have said that he was Japenese.
i do actually get it but TNUC RM could have thought of a more sociably acceptable name
24 Apr 2008, 16:05 pm
wow church…the moment is gone, the irony is lost…it was but a joke…i only took offence when he made, what seemed like, a darogitory comment regarding dyslexia
#56 we don’t….! where are you from? i bet you will find a lot of your countrymen have imigrated to other pastures as well
24 Apr 2008, 16:06 pm
I would have thought if you were relatively well off you could have a good quality of life in SA. Certainly here in oz it’s getting tougher. The cost of living has gone through the roof, interests rates and petrol prices are high, crime is on the rise. I know Saffers who come here bemoan the very modest life they now have compared to what they enjoyed back home.
24 Apr 2008, 16:10 pm
johannes ex – you mentioned you played golf with trevor’s brother, were you also part of the WP golf foundation during the early 80′s? ryno, de wet, etc
24 Apr 2008, 16:14 pm
#59 BuckT:
I thought you were joking about taking offence. Just playing along
24 Apr 2008, 16:16 pm
#60 Saturday:
hehe. Like me not living in Asia any more …. can’t believe I have to drive myself
24 Apr 2008, 16:24 pm
CHH,
How goes it?
Whats all his preoccupation with losing arrows? You a red indian?
24 Apr 2008, 16:26 pm
CHH = CHCH = Logitech keyboard.
24 Apr 2008, 16:28 pm
losing – using = 1st G&T of the day.
24 Apr 2008, 16:28 pm
Saturday
There is a certain kind of Saffer that will not easily live under a black government, especially a South African one. They are racists, and they will always tell you that they are not racist. They seldom have anything good to say about SA but yet are forever blogging on SA websites and reading SA newspapers and magazines. Generally they are pretty sad people who would be better off directing their energies into assimilating into their new homes.
24 Apr 2008, 16:31 pm
#64 OCO:
I did not predict your presence today
24 Apr 2008, 16:34 pm
Well Vic, I think its a no brainer, stay there for the money. You want to win a test in NZ and a tri nations, you will probably get called up for the Bok squad anyway, they’ve got as good a chance this year as anytime. But who knows what will happen with the rules later on re overseas players playing for the Boks. On balance you are better off where you are…enjoy it.
24 Apr 2008, 16:34 pm
When they come to SA for their annual pilgrimage they will never tell you that life is / can be hard in Oz, NZ, etc but will only go on about how well they are doing and how good a life they are having.
24 Apr 2008, 16:35 pm
ChCH,
I’m always somewhere! Have a new laptop connected to wireless keyboard. Giving me the absolute sh_ts.
Hate laptop keyboards.
24 Apr 2008, 16:39 pm
OCO – he’s the last of the Moccasins
67 SuperStirrer – have to agree, was in london recently and all the ex-saffa’s did was ***** about the government and the currently advantaged in general…
while living in a shoebox, depressed, pale and never leaving the house. throw in government healthcare, hooligans, lager louts and Gordon Brown and you can keep it
24 Apr 2008, 16:42 pm
Depends what expat you meet, if you have a manor house in the english countryside they’re unlikely to come accross yobs, government healthcare or be pale. As for governments, the only thing they’re likely to be offended by is the ban on fox-hunting.
24 Apr 2008, 16:43 pm
#71 OCO:
I only use laptops now. Don’t mind the keyboard but who ever thought of using nipples for navigation!
I have often posted from my PDA using hand writing recognition or touch screen T9 keypad so think yourself lucky
24 Apr 2008, 16:50 pm
#72 BuckT:
I enjoyed London my time in London. Perhaps I should check out SA.
I grew up in a rough part of NZ. Lived in Peckham, Forest Hill and Honor Oak in London, lived in Manila for a couple of years and survived my time in Bangkok …. am I ready for SA?
I also lived in Australia and found wide open flat spaces very boring … is this a factor?
24 Apr 2008, 16:51 pm
#75 church – like chch but pronounceable:
… and I lived on the north side of the Liffy in Dublin (respect people)
24 Apr 2008, 16:52 pm
BuckT,
Shoe to you too!
ChCh,
Had my first ‘PC’ in 1977 (HP 9815). Have enough problems keeping up with my area of technology without adding IT.
Still use a mobile to make phone calls ….
24 Apr 2008, 16:54 pm
BuckT
Interestingly the UK is experiencing their biggest emigration of Britons from the island by Britons in their history. They are apparently leaving for warmer countries such as Spain and Oz.
I know a English missionary family that live in SA that cannot wait to return from their holidays to the UK so much so that he kissed the airport tarmac when he arrived back in SA after the Dec holidays. He reckons he has many pom friends that would give their left nut to come and work and live in SA but that the SA governments immigration criteria is so difficult.
24 Apr 2008, 16:58 pm
SupperSTirrer #78,
What problems? Only took me 6 months to get the immigration department to put my permanent residence sticker in my new passport Bellville Dept.
Apart from that I was told it might not be granted again as I was working outside the country (never mind having 3 kids born and bred in SA).
24 Apr 2008, 16:59 pm
#78 SuperStirrer:
I should check out a marriage scam with a UK chick. An EU passport means big bucks for me.
24 Apr 2008, 17:01 pm
#79 OCO:
Aplied to who? granted where? From what?
24 Apr 2008, 17:03 pm
ChCh,
SA department of uhmigration (sic) – like Ummm, how does I do dat?
Have been an SA resident for more than 40 years with no problems, now the kuk begins.
24 Apr 2008, 17:05 pm
#75 church – like chch but pronounceable:
You are more than ready for SA and you will not be dissappointed by the country or her people either (other than the whingers). SA really offers everything – from spectactular scenery, stunning mountains, beaches, deserts, fauna and flora, really good food, fairly good infrastructure and it is also affordable.
24 Apr 2008, 17:06 pm
ChCh,
I have an EU passport! However, a green card (or rather the ability to get one) would be more useful here. Held in high regard by the Filipino chicks …
24 Apr 2008, 17:09 pm
#84 OCO:
Where are you again?
24 Apr 2008, 17:10 pm
Bob #83,
Agree, marvelous country and people (for the most part).
Zim was the same but look what happened there. My worry for SA, especially with Mbeki around (apparently 10,700 attacks on farms since 1991 – and the Gov does sweet fanny adams about it – seems it’s getting more and more like Zim).
24 Apr 2008, 17:11 pm
ChCh,
Kuwait.
24 Apr 2008, 17:12 pm
#84 OCO:
If you are in the Philippines or associating with Philippine people then you need to learn the word ‘bading’ … because a ‘Filipino chick’ is a ‘bading …. a Philippina (note the letter ‘a’) on the other hand is a chick with no *****
24 Apr 2008, 17:13 pm
#79 OCO:
He was saying that to get in one needed to be highly skilled and that those skills had to be needed by the country – brain surgeons, heart surgeons, electricians etc. That is obviously going the formal route – you can always obtain free entry via Maybe your permanent residency makes it easier.
Are you in the Philipines? I met some Fillipino chicks in Durban some time ago and they wer HOT.
24 Apr 2008, 17:14 pm
Chh,
Will try and reeer that!
Thought Thailand was te bigger problem.
24 Apr 2008, 17:19 pm
Super,
No, Kuwait (Middle East). Must be more Phillipina here than at home.
Yup, you need really good qualifications to get into SA. You can see this if you go to Greenpoint Stadium flea market on a weekend. Lots of skilled Nigerian, Seira leone and Senagalese there …….
24 Apr 2008, 17:19 pm
Well then Vic come home to rape, murder, gratuitous violence, load shedding, government corruption, racism… you big softy Vic you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
24 Apr 2008, 17:22 pm
#86 OCO:
Crime is definatly a major concern and something which many feel the present governmnet has been too afraid to acknowledge. One really hopes and prays that there is enough savvy in SA to prevent another Zimbabwe. If SA were to go the Zimbabwe way then I know that there is no hope for the continent – never. I trust it wont come to that.
Im off, bye all.
24 Apr 2008, 17:24 pm
never in 92 should be ever.
24 Apr 2008, 17:27 pm
Yeh, we all hope that SA will reach its’ true potential. However with or ruling party saying there’s ‘no crisi’ in Zim I have my doubts.
We all helped to make the country what it is, sad to see the rot that has set in.
I’m still hoping my kids will stay and I can retire there (somewhere in the Garden Route) but I think my kids are better off overseas.
24 Apr 2008, 17:28 pm
Cheers Bob!
24 Apr 2008, 17:31 pm
#91 bryce_in_oz:
Yes Brycie, just like you did the other day – remember when you strolled around uShaka and couldnt find anything nice about it.
Im off.
24 Apr 2008, 17:31 pm
#90 OCO:
I think it is.
In the Philippines *** people are considered funny though. You have to be *** or act *** to be a commedian
24 Apr 2008, 17:37 pm
ChCh,
I think *** people are funny too, very peculiar
24 Apr 2008, 17:38 pm
Cheers Super!
24 Apr 2008, 18:05 pm
As a bulls fan i was very dissapointed when victor left the bulls,but i cannot blame him when he heard who the new coach was ludicrous.Well done the bulls management for making all our best players leave,you lot are truly a real bunch of ******* arseholes.
24 Apr 2008, 18:17 pm
OCO – atleast your president doesn’t look like the joker when he smiles. Have you noticed Gordon Brown when he smiles? Lyk net soos die Joker van Batman!! I just pray Cameron gets in and stops us becoming an eastern bloc country!!!
24 Apr 2008, 18:25 pm
Leean,
Not worried what they look like. Would rather have someone who had brains but looked like a ******!
What was it, two weeks back?, that Mbeki opened his mouth and swallowed not only his feet but his legs to boot when Brown was asked about restriction on UK work permits?
24 Apr 2008, 18:29 pm
BuckT – no I caddied for my brother Hugo – he played for WP and later made SA amateur goldf team. Recall those names, as he played with them.
My golf got stuck at playing 9 rounds starting with 4, never ever made it to the thirties…
24 Apr 2008, 20:44 pm
Hello, I’m from Toulon such as Romain, and I can tell you Matfield is doing a reel great job for our hometeam ! Last saturday we were enjoying his return back from injuries…we were playing a very important game against Agen (former fijian winger Caucaunibuca’s team) and we were in difficulties with our line-out. As Vic arrived, everything suddenly changed and then we stopped loosing our throws, and started catching Agen’s !
We’re on the final run with 6 matchs to go before the end of this 2nd div championship, and Mourad Boudjellal, our president promised us a even more better recruitment if we could reach top14.
Don’t be too rough with your beloved lock, he’s working hard as he knows we expect a lot from him…he is certainly not thinking of retirement yet, Oliver decided to stop, Gregan is on the way to stop very soon (i hope he’ll stay one more year if we reach top14), Mehrts will try one more season; and considering all of this you could thing Victor is in the same mood. Completely wrong !…I think winning the World Cup was such a challenge than after being world champion, he had to find another exciting goal to reach ! Mourad Boudjellal proposed him to be part of an exceptionnal adventure with most of the greatest names in the planet rugby, on top of that in a town where the stadium have an history, huge and noisy supporters
, on the French Riviera, and with a comfortable income !
What would you do if you were him ? 90% sure you would have done the same choice ! Now I can easily understand he misses SA, the super14 and surely he wants to be part of the next boks rendez-vous for the tri-nations ! PDV should not blame him for what he’s doing, his experience is so much important for your national team that it would really be a great mistake to leave him on the bench !
(sorry for my english, I hope you understood most of my words !)
I do invite you to watch last picts I’ve personnaly taken of his performance and Toulon’s teammates in general on this site :
http://www.flickr.com/photos/19928634@N06/
24 Apr 2008, 22:40 pm
Cool, now that i know his address i can go to Matfield’s place, from which, by the way, you *cannot* see Corsica.
25 Apr 2008, 03:18 am
Of corsica you cannota see Corsica. To see Corsica you musta go to Italia.
25 Apr 2008, 06:29 am
I found when I was in SA the rand went a lot further than our $. If you fix the crime problem it would be great. BTW I didn’t see any remote evidence of crime during my time there though I went forewarned so was alert and sensible. But crime is increasingly becoming a problem in our cities and as the standard of living falls I believe it will worsen. Your country is incredibly beautiful though and the people were hospitable.
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