Seven steps to glory
30 Jun 2008
The Springboks have not won a Test in New Zealand since 1998. Former Springbok mental coach Henning Gericke explains how Peter de Villiers can achieve what Jake White couldn’t.
White may have a World Cup winner’s medal, but the former Springbok coach has something missing from his impressive CV – his side never beat the All Blacks in New Zealand.
In 2004, White’s first year in charge, the Boks came agonisingly close to claiming what would have been a shock victory in Christchurch. With 30 seconds to go, they led 21-18, having scored three tries to nil. But a botched line-out call 5m out from the Springbok tryline led to an All Blacks scrum from which winger Doug Howlett slid over in the right-hand corner.
In 2005, the Boks arrived at the House of Pain in Dunedin needing a win to clinch their second consecutive Tri-Nations title. With six minutes to go, they lead 27-24, only for All Blacks hooker Kevin Mealamu to be driven over from a line-out for the match-winning try.
The Boks were never going to make it third time lucky for White in New Zealand last year, after the coach opted to rest almost all of his first-choice players ahead of the World Cup. While the second-stringers put up a good fight and trailed 12-6 with 20 minutes to go, three All Blacks tries in the final 10 minutes resulted in a 27-point thrashing.
Former Springbok mental coach Henning Gericke was a key member of White’s management team during that time, and it still grates him that the Boks never won in 2004 or 2005. He believes that while they were mentally prepared for the task, they didn’t have the experience or self belief that the finished product, which won the World Cup, had.
‘I honestly believe that the Boks can win one Test, if not two, in New Zealand this year,’ says Gericke. ‘They just need to focus on these seven points …’
1. HAVE A NO-RESPECT MENTALITY
‘Springbok teams are guilty of putting the All Blacks on a pedestal and believing they are unbeatable. Don’t get me wrong, they are a great team, but we’ve shown them too much respect over the years. We now need to change our underdog mentality into a world champion mentality. We mustn’t listen to all the talk that we haven’t won there since 1998 or that we have never won a Test in Dunedin. We are the world champions and we should believe in ourselves.’
2. AIM TO DOMINATE
‘If your enemy responds to you, you are strong; if you respond to them, you are weak. The Boks must arrive in New Zealand, with the intention of dominating the opposition.’
3. PLAY TO YOUR STRENGTHS
‘The Boks must do what they do best. The All Blacks don’t like to be tackled hard and confronted physically. New Zealanders throw 50-50 passes in the Super 14 because there’s space, but in Tests you can close that space down and put them under pressure. Playing a physical game doesn’t mean you are playing boring, one-dimensional rugby. It means you are playing clever rugby and giving yourself the best possible chance to win.’
4. HAVE SEVERAL LEADERS
‘The more the unyielding the challenge, the more flexible your leadership has must be. In 2004 and 2005, [captain] John Smit was the only real leader in the team. The Bok side of 2008 will have quite a few leaders, and that could make a big difference. Jean de Villiers was an excellent captain for the Stormers this year, while Juan Smith did a good job with the Cheetahs. Victor Matfield captained the Bulls to the Super 14 title last year. The All Blacks, meanwhile, don’t have many strong leaders, which is why I believe they lost to France in the World Cup last year.’
5. BECOME A FAMILY
‘You need to create an inner circle that creates positive energy. If you have a family environment, you will be able to handle outside pressures because you are so tight-knit. However, it may take time for De Villiers to create the kind of family vibe that we had under Jake. Look at what happened to the Bulls when Heyneke Meyer and a couple of key players left. That family structure was broken to some extent.’
6. SEE OPPORTUNITIES, NOT OBSTACLES
‘When you are in New Zealand, you must really want to be there. Embrace the people, the culture and even the weather. Go out and explore the country. If you have a negative mindset about how terrible a place it is, your game will suffer.’
7. HAVE BIG MATCH TEMPERAMENT
‘When you play the All Blacks in New Zealand, the games are going to be close more often that not. You’re going to find yourself in a situation where there are just three or four points in it with a few minutes to go. Your players have to be able to stay mentally strong and close out the game, which is what the Boks didn’t do in 2004 and 2005.’
What Peter de Villiers says:
ON THE CHALLENGE AHEAD
‘It goes without saying that playing the All Blacks anywhere is one of the toughest tests in the game, but in New Zealand it becomes even tougher. New Zealand have been the most successful rugby country in the world over the last decade, with the exception of their World Cup performances. They are true rugby thinkers and they play with supreme confidence at home, resulting in an attitude that does not contemplate defeat when on home soil. I’m not surprised at all that we have struggled there since 1998, but it should be remembered how close the Boks came to victories in 2004 and 2005.’
ON MENTAL PREPARATION
‘We will leave this country with our minds focused on the first Test [in Wellington] and the first Test only. There’s no use planning and getting worked up about the novelty of two Tests in New Zealand. The reality is one Test is played after the next, so I will prepare the squad for the first Test only. When it’s completed, we’ll reassess and then prepare for the second Test [in Dunedin].’
ON WHETHER HE WILL VALUE EXPERIENCE OVER YOUTH
‘I trust all South African rugby players, and will pick the side I feel has the best chance of winning. That doesn’t just go for the New Zealand Tests. Whoever I name in my 22 for any Test, regardless if they have one cap or 100, will have my full faith and backing.’
ON WHETHER HE’LL BE HAPPY TO WIN JUST ONE OF THE TWO TESTS
‘I am not a loser. I will never be satisfied if we lose.’
By Simon Borchardt, in SA Rugby magazine
928 Comments
30 Jun 2008, 07:46 am
Dragons???????????
30 Jun 2008, 07:54 am
With McCaw out the Boks should already have 50% more mental strength. The other 50% is of course Carter!
30 Jun 2008, 07:55 am
What’s a mental coach.
30 Jun 2008, 07:55 am
Howzit Richie my nemesis!!
30 Jun 2008, 07:58 am
Ons gan die Kiwi’s BUIG!
30 Jun 2008, 07:58 am
Agree wholeheartedly with number 1. That’s the starting point.
30 Jun 2008, 08:00 am
#4 Dawn:
Morning missy
30 Jun 2008, 08:01 am
Bakkies Botha should be the Bok mental coach!!
30 Jun 2008, 08:03 am
Carter has never really bothered the boks as much as McCaw has… Don’t think the boks are bothered that much about carter
30 Jun 2008, 08:06 am
Ah what the heck.
Viva Fernando Torres!!!
30 Jun 2008, 08:06 am
Someone like Ricky Januarie has had the better of Carter on various occasions…
30 Jun 2008, 08:07 am
#9 WatKykJy:
With Daniel scoring an average of 15 points a game I’m sure he bothers every player and coach (even if they don’t like admitting it)
30 Jun 2008, 08:08 am
I am a bit worried about our defense from the line-out setpiece… Hope that who-ever plays Nr8 will neutralise that threat!
30 Jun 2008, 08:09 am
#12 Richie_7: No doubt that he bothers anyone – He is truly world-class, but he won’t bother the Boks anymore than Butch will bother them
30 Jun 2008, 08:13 am
When Carter plays for the Crusaders against any SA S14 franchise, he bothers the **** out of me… but in the test arena the Boks have almost always been able to close down his space… Thing about him is that he is brilliant at stealing the ball in the contact situation – Ask Danie Rossouw about that! That bothers me a bit… The Boks and the Blacks are both most powerful on a quick-unexpected turn-over… They can punish us there, and vice-versa.
30 Jun 2008, 08:16 am
Everyone seems bothered today.
30 Jun 2008, 08:16 am
#3 Dawn: Someone who coaches mentals? Or could be a dental coach who can’t spell.
Seriously, he helps the players to prepare themselves mentally for the game. With somebody like Lobberts it is very difficult, because all he can think about is to do what Julius Malema suggested.
And Province wins!!!
30 Jun 2008, 08:17 am
Yeah, but with McCaw missing the AB pack will lose some of that mongrel in the rucks
30 Jun 2008, 08:18 am
HAve a no-respect mentality. Dis ietwat breindood.
Hoe kan jy nie die AB’s respect nie?
My pa het my destyds geleer: Jy hoef nie bang wees vir jou motorfiets nie, jy moet hom egter altyd respekteer.
Ekt my gat gesien en as die bokke hulle nie repekteer nie gaan hulle ook hulle gatte sien!
30 Jun 2008, 08:21 am
#19 Blou Zebu:
I agree, you can respect something or someone without being afraid. Respect lets us be cautious without being scared
30 Jun 2008, 08:31 am
Think whoever can retain proper focus througout the 80mins will take this one… PdV is planning to play a bit more expansive – but to the Boks’ strengths… Not exactly sure on how he will achieve this – it remains to be seen… Another thing is this: I don’t see Nonu as a good distributer of the ball… I think he will crash it up in the middle a lot, and expect a few switches in the mid-field between the two centers… Masoe will be there to give away his fare share of penalties aswell… perhaps even a yellow? That would be vital!
30 Jun 2008, 08:33 am
ABlacks by 15 or more. Boks have already decided they have won without Richie. Dominate the scrum and the battle is half won-SA do not have the srum to trouble NZ
30 Jun 2008, 08:35 am
Perhaps I’m wrong about Nonu? What do you think?
30 Jun 2008, 08:36 am
#22 scatman68: They may not trouble you as such, but they will definately hold their own… Whether it be legal or not…
30 Jun 2008, 08:38 am
#13 WatKykJy: if spies plays 8 we might be in trouble. unless he’s learn’t to tackle in the past 2 weeks.
joe at 8 pleeeeaaaaaase.
30 Jun 2008, 08:39 am
even if mcaw was playing it does’nt matter he always ends up second best against skalk (whether it’s for the boks or stormers)the problem here is that mcaw intimidate the refs ,which means skalk gets penalised for certain things while mcaw gets away with di\oing exatly the same thing
30 Jun 2008, 08:43 am
Predicting a Blacks win be 15 is also ludicrous… The Boks B team held their own against the AB’s last year until 10mins from the end… The Boks A teams have been unlucky not to beat you in NZ a couple of times… this time round the belief is there that we will beat you, unlike in the past… Don’t be surprised if we beat the AB’s…. The S14 sides (Stormers especially) have shown us this year (and last year -Sharks) that we are capable of beating NZ in NZ… With the AB’s missing Collins, Kelleher, McAllistor, Mauger, Hayman, McCaw and whoever else whom are notoriously good against SA…. Expect an interessing match-up… It will be close… I’m thinking a last minute decider is on the cards…
30 Jun 2008, 08:44 am
#26 st.a.t.w:
Well then McCaw is a smarter player than you give him credit for
30 Jun 2008, 08:44 am
allthough i would’nt mind luke playing at 8 i don’t think it’s gonna happen
what’s clear to see in the first tests of the year is that spies is not the answer (to many shortcomings) so i would start with either joe or kanko(depending on his fitness) with luke on the bench(he can cover all the looseforward positions)
30 Jun 2008, 08:49 am
The all blacks will find our weeknesses and punish us there. We have in my opinion about 3 weak points, and that is way to much to seriously bother the all blacks at home.
30 Jun 2008, 08:49 am
#28 Richie_7: maybe, maybe not
the problem with the rugby watching population is not only do they put the AB’s on the pedastill but some of there players too,and mcaw is doing a good job using that to his advantage
in that case i think you could be right
30 Jun 2008, 08:50 am
#3 Dawn: A coach who has lost the plot completely. You often find them in European soccer. They regularly get banished from the touchlines. They’re on medication.
30 Jun 2008, 08:54 am
#31 st.a.t.w:
I think the problem with Schalk is that he tends to be a little “floppy”. He flings himself into rucks and just makes himself seem too obvious. There’s no denying he has oodles of talent, he just needs to tighten up his approach, and fine tune his approach to situations. I would love to see Richie take Schalk under his wing and teach him a few “tricks of the trade”
30 Jun 2008, 08:54 am
#11 WatKykJy: Aaahh… Newlands 2005. I’ve never seen Carter look so ordinary in my life. Ricky was in his face the whole time and he fell apart – not something you see every day.
30 Jun 2008, 08:54 am
#30 Snoek: 3 weak points? I know our scrum is not great, but what else? Outside centre/ Right wing channel defensively? I think that having someone other than Chavanga at RW will help us defensively here. What’s the 3rd? Remember the All blacks also have 3 weaknesses: Line-outs (terrible even against England!), Wings terrible going backward and now they have a fetcher problem.
30 Jun 2008, 08:55 am
McCaw knows when to draw the line… that’s all… He’ll get away with murder, until the ref pins him for it, then he will refrain from doing that again… Besides, with the up-and-unders he’s almost ALWAYS in front of the ball… The players behind the ref usually runs up from an offside position! I’ve seen McCaw do that various times with great success… Playing the ref…
30 Jun 2008, 09:06 am
#36 WatKykJy: he’s allowed to be in front of the ball as long as the kicker or someone behind the kicker puts him on side.
30 Jun 2008, 09:07 am
Ons sal net wen as daar nie ingemeng word met die spankeuse nie en as die regte kombinasies gekies word. Sal stupid wees om Steyn op loskakel te laat speel na een game in die posisie vir die boks. Die senter kombinasie moet ook reg wees en dis belangrik dat die regte heel agter op draf , gelyk of Percy beseer is oor die naweek toe hy vir sy klub gespeel het. Glo ons sal die lynstane oorheers en ek hoop ons agterlyn gaan goeie bal besit kry. So ja ons kan wen maar die regte spelers en kombinasies is belangrik
30 Jun 2008, 09:10 am
”Watkykjy” is did Gibbons van WKJ?
About the rugby… it’s going to be hard there are no easy tests between our two countries. We getting way ahead of ourselves if the presumption is McCaws absence will change their team’s commitment, we must just keep it simple and annihilated at the breakdown. From there we can use our game breaking loosie to set up the platform for our backline.
30 Jun 2008, 09:10 am
#34 siener:
daniel carter never plays a good game when he’s playing against the boks and he hates it when riki january is the oposing 9
it’s only against weaker teams that performs “brilliantly”
30 Jun 2008, 09:13 am
#38 Andre_WP:
in alle honesty as gekyk word na heelagter se vaardighede is conrad die beste wat ons het,i know percy has all the experience and medals but conrad has been playing brilliantly this year and not forgetting that he has played in the 3N before
30 Jun 2008, 09:16 am
#41 st.a.t.w: Why not play Conrad at 14?
30 Jun 2008, 09:17 am
#41 st.a.t.w: Hmmm , yes think he’s our best bet ,atleast we have another two kickers in the team in James and Frans. Think the centres will have to be Frans and Jean for the All Blacks games. Nonu is a strong player and runner. Not sure if Adie will stand up to him. January will have to be at his best. Don’t see any problems with our forwards for the game.
30 Jun 2008, 09:18 am
Blou Zebu, I agree with you totally on the issue of no respect mentality.
The second comment I would like to add is around point number 5 about becoming a family. I personally agree with that point, but how is that different to the laager mentality SA teams are being critisized for on a regular basis?
30 Jun 2008, 09:20 am
Eish , my Superbru doesn’t look good at all.
Anyways , question i wanne ask is , is there a qwota that says how many players of colour should be in the runon side ?
30 Jun 2008, 09:22 am
#43 Andre_WP: i agree that steyn and jean should start at centre, but i don’t know why everyone is going on about adie not standing up to nonu. nonu is 12 and adie is 13. they’re not opposite each other.
30 Jun 2008, 09:23 am
WP, jou lekka ding!
30 Jun 2008, 09:25 am
#43 Andre_WP:
my point exatly even though i think f steyn is over rated ,it will be wise to have him in the starting 15
should the kickers struggle they can always bring on percy sooner rather then later
30 Jun 2008, 09:25 am
#35 Francois Steyn is over-rated:
You got two, and the third in my mind is fullback.
30 Jun 2008, 09:26 am
Are they using the ELV where you have to be 5m behind the scrum? Won’t that effect the Boks rush defence, which is what Carter really doesn’t like?
30 Jun 2008, 09:30 am
#49 Snoek: Wouldn’t Percy at 15, Conrad at 14 help alleviate those weaknesses defensively? Also lets give Adi a chance to disprove us, if his defense fails we can drop him for the 2nd test. He deserves a chance? Our scrum is a real problem, especially in the ELVs that will be in effect.
30 Jun 2008, 09:30 am
#49 Snoek:
explain to me why full back is a problem
30 Jun 2008, 09:39 am
Gotta say I love that PDV doesn’t like losing.
May he never lose whilst at the helm of the Boks.
30 Jun 2008, 09:41 am
#51 Francois Steyn is over-rated:
i hear what you’re saying but it’s gonna be to much of a risk if we lose the first test then we’re definatly gonna lose the second test aswell .like the rest i also think he’s gonna be a liability on defence(whether or not nonu is his direct opponent) they have big strong wingers asswell.i’d bring him on in the last 20 odd minutes,defencively jdv and you’re boy steyn is our best option does’nt matter who plays 12 or 13 as long as jdv is 12 when we’re on attack
30 Jun 2008, 09:42 am
Here goes again.
Viva Fernando Torres viva!!
30 Jun 2008, 09:45 am
Well we will have to be sharp comes Saturday , see it’s raining and cold down there so lets hope the guys get some practise time. Alot of people say we can do it this year by beating them All Blacks at home , even Eddie is behind the boks. Henry is not a stupid coach , but i believe we can take this 3N this year.
30 Jun 2008, 09:49 am
in what stadium did the blacks play the irish a few weeks ago, from what i could see from o’driscol post match interview after the game it was p#ss cold that day
30 Jun 2008, 09:53 am
Why so many steps, I only have one.
1. Play to you potential.
ohh, yes, a secondary one
2. Keep Spies the hell away from the game!!!
30 Jun 2008, 09:53 am
#54 st.a.t.w: Ya maybe Steyn’s boot and physical presence will be more valuable in the wet, than Adi’s creativity? I still say give Adi his chance. He deserves a chance to disprove us. If he fails defensively, then sure drop him.
30 Jun 2008, 09:59 am
#55 Dawn: fark. a bunch of greaseballs won. but then again it could have been the krauts.
30 Jun 2008, 10:00 am
#58 coma: point 2. halleluya.
30 Jun 2008, 10:02 am
#60 the peanut gallery: The Krauts were lucky to lose by a goal only. It should have been about 4 nil. As a commentator aptly summed things up : “It was a 1-0 ANIHILATION
30 Jun 2008, 10:02 am
#54 st.a.t.w: Everybody was writing Adi off before the Wales tests…Big & fast centres running all over and through him…I have not seen anything… rather Jacobs doing the job for the Boks…The All Blacks midfields defence still needs to be challenged…the English prima donnas were not worthy opponents…
30 Jun 2008, 10:02 am
#59 Francois Steyn is over-rated:
i also want to give the guy a chance but can you imagine the aftermath,if the boks lose by 2 or 3 points and ad’s defence was broken once or twice (maybe leading to a try for the blacks )the media and the sa rugby supporters are gonna eat him alive and at the same time question pdv as a coach
30 Jun 2008, 10:04 am
#64 st.a.t.w: If Steyn’s cost the Boks through his inconsistancy then what ?
30 Jun 2008, 10:06 am
#61 the peanut gallery:
one year is a looooooooong time, isnt it?
i remember the shock expressed when we heard that spies will not be going to the wc (because of the form he was in … and because the dimension he added to the boks game)
….
and now, ????
now suddenly guys want to “keep him away from the game”.
dont get me wrong, i also believe that kankowski (at the moment) is the form player and should start,
i just cant believe that spies in one year went from an “exceptional player” to a k@k one!
30 Jun 2008, 10:07 am
as a guy said in the pub during the semi’s – “i support the russians, because they don’t wear alice bands.”
30 Jun 2008, 10:07 am
#66 asha1: You are wrong about Kanko. He is not physical enough to handle a NZ winter tour. Trust me on that. Still think that Pakslae should be in the squad for this reason.
30 Jun 2008, 10:08 am
#64 st.a.t.w: I don’t think if we lose by 2 or 3 points PDV will criticized. We are playing in NZ! However if AD fails defensively, then maybe he should be criticized and dropped from the boks? However, people forget that Frans Steyn also missed a crucial tackle through his channel in the WC final. Only the brilliant cover defense of Victor and Danie in the corner saved Steyn some blushes. I think PDV will pick Adi anyway, so lets get behind him. If he steps up then we must stop tuning him, if he falters in defense he must be dropped. Its that simple.
30 Jun 2008, 10:11 am
#68 pauld:
last time i checked, pakslae wasnt in the squad!
30 Jun 2008, 10:12 am
#70 asha1: Thats what I said. He should be in the squad
30 Jun 2008, 10:12 am
#60 the peanut gallery:
Greaseballs? Krauts????
Shut up!
Torres is a beautiful sight to behold!
30 Jun 2008, 10:13 am
#72 Dawn: He looks like a girl who has been hit with a wetc copy of The Weekend Argus
30 Jun 2008, 10:13 am
#72 Dawn: You got to admit, El nino looks a bit like a girl?
30 Jun 2008, 10:16 am
#71 pauld:
ok ….
of the guys who are indeed in the squad
………
who would you start?
30 Jun 2008, 10:16 am
#73 pauld:
He’s stunning. Been watching him for a while.
Looks like nothing physically but deceptively strong.
And a smile that can light up a stadium.
30 Jun 2008, 10:17 am
#74 Francois Steyn is over-rated:
Not really.
30 Jun 2008, 10:17 am
#69 Francois Steyn is over-rated: Agree…Let’s get behind the Boks…no matter who’s playing…it’s about the team and not the individual…
30 Jun 2008, 10:17 am
#72 Dawn: read #73 and #74. need i say more.
actually – and he looks like a grease ball.
30 Jun 2008, 10:18 am
#75 asha1: Schalk , Juan , Spies. #76 Dawn: He is a class player indeed. Just looks like a ladyboy
30 Jun 2008, 10:19 am
#74 Francois Steyn is over-rated:
By the same token Clermont wing Rougerie also looks like a girl.
And girl he ain’t.
30 Jun 2008, 10:19 am
#75 asha1: And Watson off the bench
30 Jun 2008, 10:19 am
#78 Charlie: Yeah! Bok befok! Can’t wait till the weekend! This week is going to drag. We stand on the brink of history…….
30 Jun 2008, 10:19 am
#81 Dawn: So does Wynand Olivier for that matter
30 Jun 2008, 10:20 am
#79 the peanut gallery:
Both teams looked like that.
And it’s offensive to call them greaseballs.
30 Jun 2008, 10:20 am
No matter who plays where or how. The basics against are NZ are. Don’t give away the ball. Dont kick aimlessly. Take your opportunities to score points. Tackle like hell for every possible moment. Only then will we have a chance of winning. Most of all, we must be arrogant in our self belief about winning, ala the bulls at Loftus.
30 Jun 2008, 10:21 am
#85 Dawn: Would spics , daego’s , latinos be better ?
30 Jun 2008, 10:21 am
#63 Charlie: E Francois Steyn is over-rated:
i think you’re misunderstanding me i’m not a f steyn fan ,if it were up to me he would’nt be in the starting 15 any time soon .i don’t want to sound bias but (as a combination and j fourie being out)i would have played jdv and bobo together they were the best centre combo of all the sa teams in the S14.
Hey they can always play either butch or grant in the centres.
30 Jun 2008, 10:22 am
#73 pauld: My wife saw him last night for the first time. She reckons he looks just like a girl. In fact, she thinks half the Spanish side look a little girlie. Particularly that Ramos fella. But they sure can play.
30 Jun 2008, 10:24 am
#87 pauld: The term ‘spic’ is as bad as using the ‘k’ word…be careful of being ignorant…or maybe it’s too late for that
30 Jun 2008, 10:24 am
#87 pauld:
I suppose so, for someone who’s social and political thinking is still stuck in the 70′s.
30 Jun 2008, 10:24 am
#89 katman: Morning Kat. I agree. Watching a side play like that gets me interested in football again. Ze Krauts were lucky to get away with 1-0. The passing and running into space by the Spanish was superb and at the end of the day they played every game like that and fully deserved to win. Having said that I must say that the entire back 4 for Germany should be sacked. Not even schoolboy quality.
30 Jun 2008, 10:25 am
Okay guys so who would you have as your starting backline???
My choice:
Februarie
Butch
Habanero
JDV
ADI
Steyn
Percy
Bench:
Ruan
Jantjies
30 Jun 2008, 10:26 am
#81 Dawn: Not nearly as much as Torres though. Rougerie has a toughness in his face that Torres lacks. But enough of your fantasies, do you have any rugby insights this morning or are you just working yourself up for a steamy date with Ryan, or is it JC?
30 Jun 2008, 10:26 am
#90 The Insider: Oh dear , I seem to have said the wrong thing again. Apologies to the entire PC brigade. I therefore obsequiously prostrate myself before you all and say I AM NOT WORTHY.
30 Jun 2008, 10:26 am
#84 pauld: With one BIG difference. Torres is one of the best…….Meisiekind not.
30 Jun 2008, 10:26 am
First off this mal coach is the same mal coach who helped the bokke lose in 2004 and 2005, he blames experience, but with the same team he says their heads are in a better place, meaning he didn’t have their heads in the right place, meaning why are we listening to you?
1. HAVE A NO-RESPECT MENTALITY
This has been done before with the Woodward Lions, BOD Irish, Andrew England and the Boks since 1998.
2. AIM TO DOMINATE
By everyones admission nobody doinates the NZ pack and SA certainly has not, not even in a S14 match What then when you fail? What happens after the first 20 minutes when you may?
3. PLAY TO YOUR STRENGTHS
‘NZ love the physical stuff they look forward to playing SA because they can test themselves and enjoy the victory, because all other nations complain wen they get bashed about. SA can only last 20 minutes a this stuff anyway.
4. HAVE SEVERAL LEADERS
I believe that SA had these players in 2004 and 2005 it was part of Whites plan not to rotate. This **** comes from a ‘What Jake did to win the RWC’, not,a ‘Jake manual on how to beat NZ in NZ’.
5. BECOME A FAMILY
This **** comes from a ‘What Jake did to win the RWC’, not a ‘Jake manual on how to beat NZ in NZ’.
6. SEE OPPORTUNITIES, NOT OBSTACLES
This so lame, like a sales training power point presentation on how to sell more photo copiers.
7. HAVE BIG MATCH TEMPERAMENT
Sorry you don’t give yourself BMT, you’re borne with it or you mal coach attaches electrodes to your family jewels are makes them in to brass.
Maybe some people needed this pep talk from an ex mal coach, sorry not me, I am al kla mal.
30 Jun 2008, 10:26 am
Dawn…..what part of Spain are you from???
30 Jun 2008, 10:27 am
#91 Dawn: Broad and sweeping statement again Dawn. You must be very fit with all your knee jerk reactions and jumping to conclusions exercises
30 Jun 2008, 10:28 am
#94 Francois Steyn is over-rated:
You got a problem?
30 Jun 2008, 10:28 am
#96 K9_BaasPatrolliehond: Agreed
30 Jun 2008, 10:28 am
There is a lot of talk at the moment around us going there and dominating the All Blacks. While its good to adopt a positive frame of mind, we need to be realistic and take into account the manner in which we played in our last two tests, as well as the opposition involved. While nothing would give me greater pleasure than to beat the buggers in their backyard, I am not convinced we have a solid structure or gameplan inplace. We seem a little disorganised, what with 50/50 passes and lock-forwards kicking for touch – we will get a caning if we carry on like this.
30 Jun 2008, 10:29 am
#99 pauld:
No conclusions to jump to.
I read all the posts.
30 Jun 2008, 10:30 am
#93 eight ball:
there you go again desperatl;y trying to find a place for f steyn
30 Jun 2008, 10:30 am
#92 pauld: There’s just too much class in that Spanish squad. At the start of the tournament I thought it would come down to the Dutch and the Spanish.
The Krauts looked a bit rattled for most of the game – as though the pace and intensity was too much for them from the word go. A bit like the Ruskies in the semi. Instead of patiently building, every pass had to split defenses. Ended up handing a lot of possession away to a very nimble Spanish counter-attack.
Great tournament.
30 Jun 2008, 10:32 am
#100 Dawn:
you spanish?
30 Jun 2008, 10:32 am
Simon/Keo
When I was traveling around Australia in 2003 there was an article I read in a NZ Rugby magazine that rubbished SA rugby and said that we were not a power anymore and that the Aussies were now their toughest opponents. I remember the article giving SA no respect. If you can source it and send it to the Bok management in NZ it will mentally prepare the guys.
30 Jun 2008, 10:32 am
#95 pauld: I think i’ve posted this joke somewhere before, but anyway. Hear about the *** Latino, Never let a Daego by.
30 Jun 2008, 10:33 am
#105 katman:
only spanish person i support,fernando alonso
30 Jun 2008, 10:33 am
#100 Dawn: Maybe its the soccer talk on a rugby thread? Not really though, just having some fun. What about you? You got a problem?
30 Jun 2008, 10:34 am
#101 pauld: Been following the Euro2008 with intense interest. Can understand why football has such a huge following. It is a flowing game with not too many rules. Simple game. Thats why rugby will always be a stop start afair………just too many rules and its getting worse.
30 Jun 2008, 10:36 am
#107 XV: I remember when the S12 changed to S14 Clyde Rathebone said SA would never have the depth for 5 sides. A few years later, we had 2 in the final!!
30 Jun 2008, 10:37 am
#107 XV:
i think it was because by 2002/2003 (i think) nz succeeded to win the “gladys louw” cup back from the aussies after a very long time!
and to be fair, around 2003 we werent very competitive, were we?
30 Jun 2008, 10:37 am
Spanish team last night was sublime. Killed Germans with speed and midfield control. Great game to watch. Germans came into touurnament weak but did really well with relatively poor squad. Played a bit like the Argentinians in the RWC.
30 Jun 2008, 10:37 am
#105 katman: The Krauts (PC Brigade said nothing about Krauts so I will use that then) didnt attack the ball. They got a lot of guys behind the ball and then waited for the Spanish (hope thats better than Daego’s etc) to run at them instead of going for the ball.
Best EC for many many years. I attended 3 of the games (Dutch v Italy , Croatia v Turkey and Spain v Russia). The atmosphere and the general crowd behaviour was superb as well
30 Jun 2008, 10:37 am
Getting back to rugby…….(and the article). There are 4 important times for total concentration and effort – the first 5 and last 5 minutes of each half. In almost every single one of our games against the All Blacks for the last 15 years – home and away – we have generally been able to dominate the 1st 5 minutes but then totally lose the plot in the other three.
30 Jun 2008, 10:37 am
#109 st.a.t.w: Alonso drives like my grannie. She also used to drive a Renault.
30 Jun 2008, 10:38 am
#104 st.a.t.w: You must have me mixed up with someone else, I’m not a huge FS fan.
Just would like to see sources for courses and think he would be better on 14 for this weekend.
30 Jun 2008, 10:39 am
#110 Francois Steyn is over-rated: Maybe a lack of SPANISH FLY
30 Jun 2008, 10:39 am
#115 pauld: Lucky sh… Can’t wait for 2010.
30 Jun 2008, 10:40 am
#118 eight ball: Its horses for courses! And maybe you have a point.
30 Jun 2008, 10:41 am
#120 FrenklyMuDeah: Speaking about 2010 I see Sepp Blatter making noises about security fears in SA after all this Xanadu shite we had a few weeks back. Allegedly England being mentioned as a back up if we continue burning okes in their mattresses
30 Jun 2008, 10:43 am
#121 Francois Steyn is over-rated: ummm dude it’s actually either…sources for courses refers to sauce and food course, in case you never learned that at school.
What’s your choice back line?
30 Jun 2008, 10:46 am
#123 eight ball: Wouldn’t that make it sauces for courses? Anyway, I get your point.
Ricky
Butch
Habs
JDV
Adi
Jantjies
Percy
30 Jun 2008, 10:46 am
#122 pauld: Howzit Paul, actually the FIFA ruling regarding the host nation having the tournament taken away for any reason sees the tournament go to the previous host, so in this case it would go to Germany again.
30 Jun 2008, 10:47 am
#123 eight ball:
#13 == Marius Joubert
I only caught the first few minutes before the ref blew for me to scrum under the duvet, but he looked in great form. Remember 3 tries in one match v the ABs?
Maybe John can smuggle him across in his suitcase…
30 Jun 2008, 10:47 am
Where is Valkman this morning. See True Blue Smit scored a try this weekend.
30 Jun 2008, 10:48 am
#124 Francois Steyn is over-rated: yes, you are absolutely correct, flip and I usually get on people’s cases for poor English. There I go falling on my sword…
I would be happy with your team too, who do you have on the bench?
30 Jun 2008, 10:49 am
#110 Francois Steyn is over-rated:
So why don’t you kuk everyone else out who’s talking football.
30 Jun 2008, 10:50 am
#126 Dust/Fume: I think Marius has more chance playing Hooker for NZ.
He is not even on PDV’s radar I can assure you.
30 Jun 2008, 10:51 am
#128 eight ball: Ruan, Grant, Steyn
30 Jun 2008, 10:53 am
#90 The Insider:
Can I buy you a drink?
30 Jun 2008, 10:53 am
if we go into this game with the mindset of play 110% or lose the game and along with it your WC glory status…. we will win
if we go into this test with a we have a good chance of winning attitude. we gonna get caned !
30 Jun 2008, 10:54 am
#117 katman:
are you saying he’s a kuk drivr or he’s driving a kuk car
30 Jun 2008, 10:54 am
#131 Francois Steyn is over-rated: So we are close. The only reason I would start with Steyn at 14 is because he has a certain amount of x factor. But either way I would be happy.
30 Jun 2008, 10:55 am
#128 eight ball: I think the only difference in our sides would be swapping Steyn around with Jantjies in the team sheet. Also a solid backline. I believe we NEED Grant on the bench in case of an injury to Butch. Steyn will lose us the match if he plays 10.
30 Jun 2008, 10:55 am
#132 Dawn: Ryan would be jealous…and he’s sitting right across from me.
30 Jun 2008, 10:55 am
#118 eight ball:
so jantjes is’nt gonna make you’re side.
30 Jun 2008, 10:56 am
#122 pauld:
See what I mean?
30 Jun 2008, 10:57 am
#136 Francois Steyn is over-rated: Agreed on that.
30 Jun 2008, 10:58 am
#137 The Insider:
We broke up.
We are “seeing other people”.
30 Jun 2008, 10:58 am
#138 st.a.t.w: I have him on the bench.
30 Jun 2008, 10:59 am
i wonder if rathbone is rooing the fact that he went to australia.
30 Jun 2008, 11:00 am
#122 pauld: Heard that and that French news had program saying tournament to be shifted to Aus. The strikes at Nelspruit are continuing, scary story. After agreeing to not strike over pay again approx 500 chanters went on rampage over pay after Mbeki visited site last weekend. He said, and I quote a source on site “festive atmosphere as though the soccer was already playing played” when he saw the Toytoy. All 500 were dismissed and same source says Mbeki has asked French consortium and Basil Read to re-instate them. Both are refusing and say they may pull out if forced to re-employ trouble makers!
30 Jun 2008, 11:01 am
#141 Dawn:
Actually he sees dead people, but that’s another story.
30 Jun 2008, 11:02 am
#143 st.a.t.w: No he’s not. In fact his family are moving there too now. Mom and Pop.
Why would he be rooing it anyway? Was the rooing intended?
30 Jun 2008, 11:02 am
#142 eight ball:
i would’nt start with perecy but if he is to start surely jantjes would be better option on the wing then f steyn
30 Jun 2008, 11:02 am
#139 Dawn: ???? No I don’t
30 Jun 2008, 11:02 am
#144 FrenklyMuDeah:
Omigawd we are in deeeep shite.
30 Jun 2008, 11:04 am
#143 st.a.t.w:
Nice pun
30 Jun 2008, 11:05 am
#143 st.a.t.w: ‘rooing’, pun?
30 Jun 2008, 11:05 am
#149 Dawn: Lets stay positive. remember what people said about Athens 2004. Lots of talk about giving the games back to Sydney as Athens were so far behind schedule. JZ will sort out the okes. Once he’s finished with Mugabe that is
30 Jun 2008, 11:05 am
#147 st.a.t.w: I just think Steyn is bigger and a better defender. Also he has those moments that could change the game in our favour. Unlikely to screw up on the wing too.
30 Jun 2008, 11:06 am
#149 Dawn: Still believe WC will happen here, will be best world cup ever (if you ignore the muggings, rapings and hi-jacking and just concentrate on the cheap beer, great scenery and 99% of population who are really the best people in the whole world). SA will be a great destination.
30 Jun 2008, 11:06 am
#153 eight ball: yep, Steyn should play winger on Saturday
30 Jun 2008, 11:06 am
#150 Dust/Fume:
That couch is worn out after the weekend.
30 Jun 2008, 11:07 am
#146 eight ball:
i’m talking purely rugby , he has’nt achieved much with the aussie rugby side .he was jake white’s captian when white coached the under 21 side,surely he would have been a regular in the bok side wilst jake was coach he probebly would have had a WC medal too
30 Jun 2008, 11:08 am
#151 Big Hit:Alliterations aside…
30 Jun 2008, 11:08 am
#153 eight ball: Steyn is too slow for wing, definitely will not be able to contain opposite number if there is any space. By slow I do not necessary mean straight line but turn and acceleration, any wing with decent side-step will leave him dead.
30 Jun 2008, 11:08 am
Who’s refereeing the game on Saturday?
30 Jun 2008, 11:09 am
PDV “I trust all South African rugby players”
Does that include Wynand Olivier?
30 Jun 2008, 11:10 am
#154 FrenklyMuDeah:
Please. I’m not debating the 2010 World Cup with anyone here.
30 Jun 2008, 11:10 am
#160 Big Hit:
Its not a game. Not a test either. Its a lot bigger
30 Jun 2008, 11:10 am
#161 Yetirat: And the convicted murderer playing for the Leopards
30 Jun 2008, 11:10 am
#157 st.a.t.w: He’s been injured for a long time and hence why he hasn’t been in the Aussie team. Trust me he would have had he been playing.
30 Jun 2008, 11:11 am
Stuart Dickinson (Australia)
30 Jun 2008, 11:11 am
#162 Dawn: Why not ? You can’t always pick and choose which battles you want to be involved with and which not.
30 Jun 2008, 11:11 am
howdy all.
30 Jun 2008, 11:12 am
#161 Yetirat:
I saw WO put a big woah (hit) (tackle) on Wylie Human this weekend
I was impressed
Does that make him a SA rugby player?
30 Jun 2008, 11:12 am
#163 Dust/Fume: yeah ok, so who’s the ref?
30 Jun 2008, 11:12 am
#159 FrenklyMuDeah: Not so sure about that, I think he’s a better option than JPP, Odwa and Jantjies though.
30 Jun 2008, 11:12 am
#165 eight ball: From what I have read there is a strong possibility that he never plays again.
30 Jun 2008, 11:12 am
best thing about the 2010 wc will be all the easy pickings for the criminals.
they will leave us alone for a while at least.
30 Jun 2008, 11:13 am
#158 The Insider:
Are you responsible for all this headline alliteration?
30 Jun 2008, 11:13 am
#166 Francois Steyn is over-rated: oh dear, Boks are screwed then
30 Jun 2008, 11:13 am
#168 rangerman: WE BEEN HAVING IT
30 Jun 2008, 11:13 am
#169 Dust/Fume: Not difficult against Wylie Coyote. He only has two speeds. Dead Slow and STOP
30 Jun 2008, 11:13 am
#170 Big Hit: Read my post!
30 Jun 2008, 11:13 am
#162 Dawn: Luckily were not debating, debilitating or delivering, appears like a role over and play dead.
30 Jun 2008, 11:14 am
#176 eight ball: we be havvvving it!!!!!!
30 Jun 2008, 11:15 am
#172 pauld: No apparently he is starting with a Aussie club side in the hope that he may make the end of year tour.
That’s if Robbie Deans watches club rugby.
30 Jun 2008, 11:15 am
#175 Big Hit: Sorry, a bit of lag going on. I am not a big fan of Stu, but I think he is one of the better Southern Hemisphere refs at the moment.
30 Jun 2008, 11:15 am
#153 eight ball:
to big a risk if ad is gonna play 13 and steyn on the wing the blacks are gonna target that channel (not cause steyn a bad defender)they are gonna pull both him and ad in creating the overlap for the wing
30 Jun 2008, 11:15 am
maybe our metro and saps coppers will have another gun battle to see who gets to hand out the “spot fines”.
30 Jun 2008, 11:15 am
#177 pauld:
I was still impressed. He actually put in a tackle
30 Jun 2008, 11:15 am
#173 rangerman: The muggers , rapists and car-jackers are all undergoing intensive language training to be able to have their victims understand them in a whole host of languages. Who said the WC wasn’t going to be good for the local economy ?
30 Jun 2008, 11:16 am
#3 Dawn: A mental coach is someone who prevents the onset of cognitive collapse in players.
30 Jun 2008, 11:16 am
#176 eight ball: great win for our boys hey?
30 Jun 2008, 11:17 am
After witnessing that Italy/Argentina abomination, Matt Goddard should not be allowed near a referee’s whistle ever again.
30 Jun 2008, 11:17 am
#186 pauld: apparently only i.d. carrying south african criminals will be allowed to commit crime.
the rest can wait their turn.
30 Jun 2008, 11:18 am
#189 Dawn: i wish steve walsh could ref the game.
he is a hero.
30 Jun 2008, 11:18 am
#182 Francois Steyn is over-rated: I’m willing to bet he costs SA the game this weekend
30 Jun 2008, 11:18 am
#190 rangerman: Ah yes. As long as the paperwork is in order all the rest is incidental
30 Jun 2008, 11:18 am
#183 st.a.t.w: I think Adi is going to prove us all wrong, well I certainly hope so. Steyn is fairly disciplined on defense lines. So I’m not worried if this is the line up. Just doubt that PDV would do this actually.
30 Jun 2008, 11:18 am
#186 pauld:
That’s why I’m not debating it.
30 Jun 2008, 11:19 am
#195 Dawn: Are you a mugger , rapist , car-jacker ? Or a cop ? Is there a difference ?
30 Jun 2008, 11:19 am
#175 Big Hit: That’s a bit harsh. Give Dickinson a bit of credit for the huge improvement he’s made in the last couple of years. He’s definitely one of the top SH refs now, along with Mark Lawrence, Craig Joubert and Lyndon Bray.
Regards
30 Jun 2008, 11:20 am
#187 Edmond Dantes:
You take the words out of my mouth.
If I’d said it, pauld would’ve accused me of posting hackneyed drivel.
30 Jun 2008, 11:20 am
#188 bigg: I never got to see it sadly but to come back from that half time position against the bulls is just freakin marvelous.
30 Jun 2008, 11:20 am
I wonder if PDV will wear that grotesque pink tie again on saturday.
30 Jun 2008, 11:20 am
#156 Dawn: Bloody Perseverance Tavern was closed on Saturday, thus denying Sondebok the steak,egg & chips he was looking forward to all week.
30 Jun 2008, 11:21 am
#185 Dust/Fume: Wynand Olivier was rated by Heynecke and had a good season at outside centre run-up to WC. Got no time there and but did get a bad reputation (probably got a bit swollen headed too). Been through rough time, anyone who has to play with JP Nel outside of him must carry some damage.Give him a chance, could still surprise us.
30 Jun 2008, 11:21 am
#161 Yetirat: Obviously the players in PDV’s Bok squad…
30 Jun 2008, 11:21 am
#193 pauld: my wife went to get a new i.d. the other day.
i am still waiting for the call informing me that she is married to four pakistani brothers who have a major BEE deal on the go.
hopefully she is married in community of property.
30 Jun 2008, 11:21 am
#165 eight ball:
i don’t think you understand i know he’s injured what i meant is that since he’s 4 or 5 years in ausie land the team has gone nowhere .
he left SA as one of our best and promising centres(he and jdv played together in the u21 WC) only to go and play wing ffor the ausies
30 Jun 2008, 11:21 am
#198 Dawn: You got that right. But I did like your use of the word abomination today. You can be on my Scrabble team anytime.
30 Jun 2008, 11:22 am
#192 Big Hit: Big Hit, can you be specific and tell us the last time Stuart Dickinson screwed up so badly? Thanks.
Regards
30 Jun 2008, 11:22 am
#196 pauld:
Oh nice!
30 Jun 2008, 11:22 am
#191 rangerman: 3 weeks and counting! Can`t wait to hit the east coast!
30 Jun 2008, 11:23 am
#192 Big Hit: Okay you are on. If we lose as a direct result of a Stu stuff-up I will change my nic to: Francois Steyn is under-rated, however if SA win or Stu does not directly lose SA the game through poor reffing you change your name to Little Weiner. Are we on?
30 Jun 2008, 11:23 am
#204 rangerman: The advantage of being married to those okes is that all she has to say is : I divorce you , I divorce you , I divorce you in front of three total strangers and bobs her uncle the marriage is over. They can then all move back to Warziristan.
30 Jun 2008, 11:24 am
#201 sondebok:
Ag nee man!
Why were they closed?
30 Jun 2008, 11:24 am
did any one watch the sharks boland game?
30 Jun 2008, 11:24 am
#207 Rooinek07: he interfered in the NZ/Eng game from the touchline a couple of weeks ago and ensured England had a penalty against them for a non-offence when they were on NZ’s line
We’ll see on Saturday how he gets on, but expect no favours from him.
30 Jun 2008, 11:26 am
#209 sondebok: gonna e good mate. i will place a call to the hinians and tell them to send the daughtes out into the curry patch in the backyard.
its always better fresh.
30 Jun 2008, 11:26 am
#213 st.a.t.w: Some. It seemed like every time I managed to catch a glance, the ref was awarding a penalty.
30 Jun 2008, 11:26 am
#210 Francois Steyn is over-rated: I would take you up on your bet,but I’m afraid its against my principles to lie and the inclusion of ‘little’ in the proposed name-change would be doing precisely that
30 Jun 2008, 11:26 am
#213 st.a.t.w: Yes
30 Jun 2008, 11:27 am
#212 Dawn: No idea. Had to watch the game at the Kimberly and pour the R13 double brandy and coke down my gullet. Hardly a substitute.
30 Jun 2008, 11:28 am
#213 st.a.t.w:
Yeah, what a joke
30 Jun 2008, 11:28 am
pauld #196
Your question to me refers:
“Are you a mugger , rapist , car-jacker ? Or a cop ? Is there a difference ?”
Would your scrabble club allow me in the door.
30 Jun 2008, 11:28 am
#205 st.a.t.w: I know, but he did perform on the wing, having to remove Sterling and Matt would have been difficult for getting into the centre.
30 Jun 2008, 11:30 am
#217 Big Hit: Hey if you are scared, just say so. You don’t have to be embarrassed. Is the bet on or not?
30 Jun 2008, 11:31 am
Seven steps to glory
Posted in SA Rugby Magazine, Springboks by Simon
This Gericke Oke has forgotten the most crucile Step.
So we’ll call it:-
7A – Score more points than the opposition.
30 Jun 2008, 11:31 am
#221 Dawn: A non-discriminatory scrabble club dawnie. All are welcome. The advantage of having muggers , rapists etc there is that the rest of us get to learn all the legal type words and phrases. Like coitus interruptus and all that
30 Jun 2008, 11:31 am
#214 Big Hit:
if anyone else have made that statement, i wouldve believed it …
coming from you …
well, are you sure about that?
or is that just something you tell yourself?
oh, and by the way, how is your hitman-hates-all-islander-poachers-campaign going?
30 Jun 2008, 11:32 am
#211 pauld: bobs her uncle?
that means i qualify for a free farm in mazoe too!
things are looking up for me.
i also have inquired about having my eyes stretched so i can qualify for chinese-cullart status. the chaps at the local home affairs reckon that it will cost the usual R16 plus a nominal sum of R10,000 + an as yet undefined percentage of turnover for my i.d book to reflect my name as Fah Kyo Tu.
i think i will go for it. i have bought some chinese tapes so i can speak it in my home. they had no “coloured” language tapes at my local Exclusive books though.
30 Jun 2008, 11:32 am
226
hitman ….
shouldve been bighit-hates….
30 Jun 2008, 11:33 am
Didn’t Aus game improve by 1 000 000 % after that useless Lote went off.
Where’s wallabie.
30 Jun 2008, 11:33 am
#202 FrenklyMuDeah:
WO has seen my studs in a few rucks I admit
He had a good last 1/4 of the S14 season, I agree.
(please dont anyone ask me whats 1/4 of 13 games. 13 is a prime number)
30 Jun 2008, 11:34 am
#227 rangerman: Like the definition of a *** change : Snip snip and Bob’s your Aunt
30 Jun 2008, 11:34 am
I believe the first step in winning in New Zealand is selecting the best players available above all else.
There are a few player sitting around here in SA and abroad who should have been on that plane!
30 Jun 2008, 11:35 am
#217 Big Hit:
Go on Biggles . You know you want to.
30 Jun 2008, 11:35 am
Ha ha
If katman can do it, so can I
30 Jun 2008, 11:36 am
#229 Dawn: That sounds like the inflation rate in Zim Dawn. It has improved by 1,000,000 %. From 1,000,000% to 2,000,000 %
30 Jun 2008, 11:36 am
#232 iceman: Agreed iceman.
30 Jun 2008, 11:37 am
the way jc was blowing i cuol’ve sworn he has ia personel score to settle with the boland ,penalties all over the park yellow cards flying there was apoint where i actually felt sorry for them.
in all the games on saturday most of the tries was refered to the TMO(forward passes) why was’nt the last try of the sharks game refered .can you imagine what a confidence booster it would have been for boland if the held the mighty sharks to 3 tries
i found out yesterday that boland is the only team in CC that doe’nt have a sponser
30 Jun 2008, 11:37 am
#235 pauld:
The Zim dollar must be a collectors item
Imagine a trillion buck note in your hand, equivalent of R20
30 Jun 2008, 11:39 am
#217 Big Hit: Okay, what about Big Wet then, since you are so defensive of your weiner size.
30 Jun 2008, 11:39 am
#214 Big Hit: One wrong touchline intervention doesn’t make him a bad ref . . . if it was indeed wrong, I don’t recall the specifics of that incident. All referees make mistakes and anyone who expects the ref to get it 100% right every time is delusional. If you want a perfect ref then maybe you should be looking for extra-terrestial life forms because the current refs are human.
Sadly, the average South African rugby supporter is a knuckle-dragging half-wit who doesn’t have the first clue about the laws of the game, has no appreciation for how hard it is to ref a game of rugby and invariably whines and ******* about the ref whenever his team loses.
If you accept that it’s not humanly possible to get every decision right then the only time you can point a finger at the ref is when he consistently makes mistakes that consistently favour one side. Stuart Dickinson was guilty of that a few years ago but he’s cleaned up his act a lot and he’s definitely one of the most competent refs around these days.
Regards
30 Jun 2008, 11:40 am
i have taken a decision that the boks WILL win in Nz this year.
it wasnt just me though, it was the “council” of five (a loose confederation of hard drinking rugby players).
hell if the mayor of the sol plaaitjies municipality (an ornithologist of note!) and his council can force flamngos not to fly with a simple resolution, then gettings the AB’s to lose in Nz should be a breeze.
30 Jun 2008, 11:42 am
#240 Rooinek07:
good post!
regards
30 Jun 2008, 11:43 am
#239 Francois Steyn is over-rated: Sorry to interfere but how does you changing your nic to ‘FS is under rated’ demean you when you want Big Hit to change to something demeaning to him???? Doesn’t appear fair at all.
30 Jun 2008, 11:44 am
#241 rangerman:
Cant we make that same council the presidents council then?
They seem to have the right credentials!! Or at least better ones than the current lot.
30 Jun 2008, 11:44 am
#238 Dust/Fume: But just try imagining folding that fcuker toget it into your wallet. Could be used as a cheap option to wallpaper your lounge tho
30 Jun 2008, 11:45 am
#243 eight ball: What about Francois Steyn is better than Butch? What do you suggest?
30 Jun 2008, 11:46 am
#244 Boots: its a highly secretive organisation boots.
kinda like the ANC.
we arent used to single malt though so it may have some benefits for the taxpayer.
30 Jun 2008, 11:48 am
but enough of all that eh?
lets get serious for a change here shall we?
the boks will win at least once in NZ this year. and judging by the wallabies perormance, the aussies should be a breeze.
30 Jun 2008, 11:51 am
Okay Big Hit, I’m calling you out! You said you were prepared to bet, well where are you? If Stu costs us the game (directly, ie Try not a try and we lose by 7 or penalty in front and we lose by 3, I think Ryan, JC and Keo should be the judges here), I will change my nic to whatever you want, however if Boks win or Stu doesn’t directly cost us the game you change your nic to Little Weiner or Big Wet, you get to choose. You have until high noon to respond or I will forever refer to you as Big *****.
30 Jun 2008, 11:52 am
#247 rangerman:
Ok but keep us informed if they give you any more inside info. ie is Snor going to pick Adi Jacobs at 13.
The council in my brain says he is cause no one else has had enough game time in that combination.
30 Jun 2008, 11:53 am
#245 pauld:
Like I want Mug-face staring at me when Im watching my team
30 Jun 2008, 11:54 am
#240 Rooinek07:
“Sadly, the average South African rugby supporter is a knuckle-dragging half-wit who doesn’t have the first clue about the laws of the game, has no appreciation for how hard it is to ref a game of rugby and invariably whines and ******* about the ref whenever his team loses.”
Speak for yourself.
30 Jun 2008, 11:54 am
#251 Dust/Fume: But just think how your darts prowess will improve
30 Jun 2008, 11:56 am
#252 Dawn: I always do.
Regards
30 Jun 2008, 11:57 am
#250 Boots: adi will start. fransie will sub.
the council will have to be consulted though.
#252 Dawn: thats all true dawnie. this soutie seems to know his way around a whistle.
30 Jun 2008, 11:59 am
#240 Rooinek07:
then why do certain refs manage to make the same mistakes on a regular basis
are you stuart dickerson?
30 Jun 2008, 12:00 pm
#253 pauld:
He’s got better things to look at when watching his team.
Ask me.
30 Jun 2008, 12:02 pm
#257 Dawn: Ok. I am asking you. Tell me
30 Jun 2008, 12:02 pm
#253 pauld:
Ja, I know lots about darts – and allow me to say again – VALKE!!!!!
Jis, chinas, I got snotdronk on Saturday, ek sê.
30 Jun 2008, 12:03 pm
We are prepared to KILL for our team!!!
so says the council.
disclaimer: we did not mean kill. we were drunk. we would never condone this type of behaviour unless it was by us.
30 Jun 2008, 12:03 pm
#259 Valkman: Another cultural day on the East Rand on Saturday then ?
30 Jun 2008, 12:04 pm
#259 Valkman: congrats valkman.
30 Jun 2008, 12:06 pm
Hey Big Hit. Since you made the following statement I have been trying to get you to put your money where your mouth is:
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June 30th, 2008 at 11:18 am
#182 Francois Steyn is over-rated: I’m willing to bet he costs SA the game this weekend
But you have firstly refused and then just disappeared off the thread. I gave tou more than ample time to respond, but you just chickened out. I have to go now, but I dub you Big ***** from this moment forward.
30 Jun 2008, 12:07 pm
#246 Francois Steyn is over-rated: If it’s going to be demeaning to you how about ‘I think Franscois Steyn is HOT’
30 Jun 2008, 12:09 pm
OK, come on, how many of you okes expected MY BOYS to beat the Griquas? Ja, we’ve shown everyone that we can also play lekker rugby.
True Blue Smit is a hero!
30 Jun 2008, 12:10 pm
#264 eight ball:Read 249, Big ***** could have chosen, but he jsut likes to talk **** and doesn’t have the guts to stand-up for his gutless statements. He also says he doesn’t lie, but then why doesn’t he take the bet. He said he was willing, but he wasn’t.
30 Jun 2008, 12:11 pm
Where’s the Valke thread?
30 Jun 2008, 12:12 pm
#266 Francois Steyn is over-rated: ha ha ha ha
30 Jun 2008, 12:12 pm
I bet you as I disappear from this thread, Big ***** will return.
30 Jun 2008, 12:13 pm
#265 Valkman: Congrats man. Fkkd up my superbru though.
30 Jun 2008, 12:14 pm
#85 Dawn: they choose to look that way, so it’s not offensive.
30 Jun 2008, 12:17 pm
waar’s al die bullietjies vandag.
must say, i’m feeling quite bullish after saturday.
30 Jun 2008, 12:22 pm
Interesting poll results from rugbyheaven.co.nz
How do you see the All Blacks v Springboks Tri-Nations test in Wellington finishing?
Big win to All Blacks (85 votes, 8.9%)
Narrow win to All Blacks (568 votes, 59.3%)
Big win to Springboks (36 votes, 3.8%)
Narrow win to Springboks (251 votes, 26.2%)
Draw (18 votes, 1.9%)
30 Jun 2008, 12:25 pm
#273 bok2007: those results aren’t interesting. they’re as expected.
30 Jun 2008, 12:25 pm
everyone gone?
cmon guys, i was joking about killing.
30 Jun 2008, 12:26 pm
#240 Rooinek07: You should not refer to your family in this manner
You most probably a Sharks supporter and an young one at that
30 Jun 2008, 12:28 pm
#274 the peanut gallery: 79.6% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
30 Jun 2008, 12:28 pm
#276 JL1: why a sharks supporter JL1?
because he is a rooinek?
30 Jun 2008, 12:30 pm
#272 the peanut gallery:
Waar’s al die Griekwas vandag?
30 Jun 2008, 12:31 pm
#279 Valkman: op hulle perde.
30 Jun 2008, 12:31 pm
#280 rangerman: maar hulle sit nie so hoog vandag nie.
30 Jun 2008, 12:33 pm
ON WHETHER HE’LL BE HAPPY TO WIN JUST ONE OF THE TWO TESTS
‘I am not a loser. I will never be satisfied if we lose.’
i like the statement…really is doing nothing more than what should be considered the norm but i think peter de villiers is trying hard to settle into the media and the public.
Some of his analogies have been thoroughly entertaining…players compared to as a can of coke
I rate even bakkies needs a hug now and again, bet u his marriage was straining without Vic to stand by his side
Would of welcomed him into the Sharks….god do we need some physical presence in the 2nd and back rows
30 Jun 2008, 12:34 pm
#279 Valkman: Die ‘Kwaste kry eers oor vier jaar die internet.
30 Jun 2008, 12:37 pm
South Africa will not lose this test, provided I wear my lucky springbok jersey. It`s never been on the losing side in a test before. 3 out of 3.
30 Jun 2008, 12:40 pm
#276 JL1: You got 1 out of 2.
I didn’t mean to offend anyone but hey, if the shoe fits then wear it.
Regards
30 Jun 2008, 12:40 pm
am worried about the statement above…although it is vital for a coach to have faith in all his players (how could anyone expect jake to run around while he was babysitting for regan), a coaches faith alone does not win test matches.
An Adi Jacobs with divine faith being bombarded with constant attacks in an outside channel will still struggle im afraid with expertise of counter attackers and space such as sitivatu, nonu (although he does seem to prfer the maori side step), smith, kahui, macdonald, muiliana, sitivatu…lets not even get to Australia who are under the guidance of arguably one of the most succesfful coaches in the preofessional era.
Lets hope than pdV takes off the blinkers and doesnt let emotions cloud his judgment…
PdV its our team under ure guidance, don’t stuff up…the boys are ready, now let them do it!
30 Jun 2008, 12:44 pm
#279 Valkman: they’re too embarrased by the ‘wildeklawer’ part of their name to be seen in public.
30 Jun 2008, 12:47 pm
what is wildeklawer anyway?
30 Jun 2008, 12:48 pm
#275 rangerman: Let me guess . . . you were misquoted in the press?
Regards
30 Jun 2008, 12:48 pm
#284 sondebok: you obviously bought it during the wc last year.
30 Jun 2008, 12:51 pm
#265 Valkman: did you okes win? the mags must have been screeching in the east on saturday night.
30 Jun 2008, 12:51 pm
#277 sondebok: only 29.3% of the time though.
30 Jun 2008, 12:52 pm
#289 Rooinek07: exactly.
30 Jun 2008, 12:52 pm
#291 the peanut gallery:
Of course we won! Ja, much rum was drunk on Saturday night.
30 Jun 2008, 12:52 pm
4 in a row. ssssssomeboby sssssstop me.
30 Jun 2008, 12:53 pm
#293 rangerman: thanks
#294 Valkman: thanks
30 Jun 2008, 12:54 pm
#294 Valkman: lank pregnant chicks on sunday morning.
30 Jun 2008, 12:58 pm
#290 the peanut gallery: Actually no, I bought it just before the first test against Wales, a replica of the 1906 jersey
Still, who am I to lose faith in a jersey that`s never let me down? Of course I could retire it now to preserve it`s 100% record.
30 Jun 2008, 12:58 pm
Ja ja, children in Benoni used to be created because people try to drown their sorrows, but on Saturday night it was a bit different for a change. It was very lekker.
30 Jun 2008, 13:02 pm
#299 Valkman: OOooooooo Brakpan man, vat my hand, ly my tot oos rand se kant!
30 Jun 2008, 13:03 pm
#299 Valkman:
They should use more of the alcahole that Charlize Theron’s folks drank when they drown their sorrows then. At least they will be nice to look at then
30 Jun 2008, 13:14 pm
#301 Boots: the theron’s used so much that mrs theron shot mr theron
30 Jun 2008, 13:15 pm
#302 pauld: allegedly.
30 Jun 2008, 13:15 pm
#288 the peanut gallery:
An onion.
30 Jun 2008, 13:16 pm
#302 pauld:
Well, thats a good result. you end up with eye candy like Charlize and also one less to deal with.
30 Jun 2008, 13:18 pm
#304 Dawn: well onions can make you cry.
30 Jun 2008, 13:18 pm
#305 Boots: yes. her dad was a panelbeater
30 Jun 2008, 13:18 pm
Who knows what the extent of the injury to the Bulls replacement losse forward is. I think his name is Dewaldt Potgieter. Blonde hair. He went off last weekend, was only on the field for a few minutes.
Good player
30 Jun 2008, 13:20 pm
#265 Valkman: Congratulations Valkman! Well done to your team.
30 Jun 2008, 13:21 pm
A stranger was seated next to a little girl on the airplane when the
stranger turned to her and said, ‘Let’s talk. I’ve heard that flights go
quicker if you strike up a conversation with your fellow passenger.’
The little girl, who had just opened her book, closed it slowly and said
to
the stranger, ‘What would you like to talk about?’
‘Oh, I don’t know,’ said the stranger. ‘How about nuclear power?’ and he
smiles.
‘OK, ‘ she said. ‘That could be an interesting topic. But let me ask you
a
question first. A horse, a cow, and a deer all eat the same stuff -
grass -
. Yet a deer excretes little pellets, while a cow turns out a flat
patty,
and a horse produces clumps of dried grass. Why do you suppose that is?’
The stranger, visibly surprised by the little girl’s intelligence,
thinks
about it and says, ‘Hmmm, I have no idea.’
To which the little girl replies, ‘Do you really feel qualified to
discuss
nuclear power when you don’t know ****’ ?
30 Jun 2008, 13:24 pm
Too much of anger!
30 Jun 2008, 13:36 pm
7 Steps my arse.
This is THE weakest AB team since 1998 under Taine Randells dire leadership. That was the last time the Bokke won in NZ. If a full-strength Bok team cannot beat this team regardless of away records, then all those that fling choker tags around like yesterdays news, need to take a long hard look in the mirror. DC apart, this AB team is shorn of talent, leadership and mental-toughness.
It will hurt NZers badly if they lose and give those disgruntled Henry-haters something to chew on. But if the Kiwis win, then dont expect any favours at the House of Pain, the scarfies will let the visitors know what a choker looks like.
30 Jun 2008, 13:42 pm
#312 BlackPanther: making excuses already?
30 Jun 2008, 13:43 pm
#97 magog: lol brilliant!
I agree he says: ‘If your enemy responds to you, you are strong; if you respond to them, you are weak. The Boks must arrive in New Zealand, with the intention of dominating the opposition.’
Bullshit! What happens if you get taken out by tackles in the first 10 minutes? Then you are weak? This guy is a joke. He spews psychological cliches without displaying any real insight into the mind. A clear case of a man who does well at uni, loves rugby but ultimately has no real feel for the mental factors involved. Actually quite pathetic.
30 Jun 2008, 13:44 pm
#297 the peanut gallery:
Yeah, makes a nice change from being bliksemed all the time
30 Jun 2008, 13:45 pm
#314 zeitgeist: PDV et al should concentrate on rugby and not all this psycho-babble mumbo jumbo.
30 Jun 2008, 13:45 pm
build snow men
30 Jun 2008, 13:46 pm
#315 Richie_7: By the way Richie_7 , somebody else used the Lord’s name in vain on this thread today and I didn’t see a Bible packed punch from you. Am I the only one classed as a Grade A blasphemer ?
30 Jun 2008, 13:47 pm
#318 pauld:
only you, sinner
30 Jun 2008, 13:48 pm
#319 Richie_7: But does the good book not say , thou shalt not judgeth ?
30 Jun 2008, 13:50 pm
I didn’t judge, I asked you to tone it down
30 Jun 2008, 13:51 pm
#321 Richie_7: *****. It was one word. Are you one of those Jimmy Swaggert types. Spews fire and brimstone but is secretly a chaser of hookers and other nasties ?
30 Jun 2008, 13:51 pm
7 steps to beating the All Blacks in Wellington:
1. Ruan Pienaar. In the absence of FDP, he is the best choice to play scrum
half in the large puddles on the wellington fields. His kicking game is far
superior to Januarie, who would come back into the frame on a dry field.
2. Butch James. His form and class is explanation enough.
3. Habana. See 2.
4. Peter Grant. With Jacque Fourie injured, there is not exactly an
overwhelming wealth of midfield talent that inspires great confidence against
the likes of nonu. Grant would offer great defence and has plenty of pace and
creativity.
5. JDV. See 2&3.
6. Steyn. He’s not the best flyhalf in South Africa and i’m not sure he ever will
be. He may one day be the best fullback in the world, but for now he is our
best bet on the right wing and if he is going to play full back (where I think
he will eventually settle), he will be getting great experience in the meantime
7. Montgomery. His intelligence and experience still gives him the edge over
Jantjies and I would play him for one more season whilst grooming Steyn
as a long term successor.
A backling of Pienaar, James, Habana, Grant, De Villiers, Steyn and Montgomery has plenty of speed and more creativity than we’ve had for a long time. Most of all, away wins in the tri-nations will be achieved through rock solid defence, and this combination would offer that.
30 Jun 2008, 13:52 pm
Valke beat the Griekwas who narrowly lost to the Cheetahs, the Cheetahs beat the Lions.
I think that means the Valke can beat the Lions, ek sê.
30 Jun 2008, 13:54 pm
#312 BlackPanther:
Win or lose on sat. What reaaly puts a smile on my face is that there is a little bit of doubt in NZ at the moment which has never been the case before. That in its own is a victory for South Africa.
30 Jun 2008, 13:55 pm
Weather in Wellington: Wed max 13 and raining; Thurs max 12 and raining; Fri max 12 and raining. Can’t find forecast for Saturday, but i’m sure it will be more of the same. There goes our expansive game plan!
30 Jun 2008, 13:57 pm
#322 pauld:
No Paul, but you’re clearly still hypersensitive because somebody dared ask you to not to blaspheme. Spend your whole weekend fantasising about how you’d tell me off today? Tell me, how’s it working it out for you?
30 Jun 2008, 13:57 pm
#322 pauld:
Dude, dont fall for his bait.
30 Jun 2008, 13:58 pm
#323 toughnrumble: good thing you’re not the springbok coach!
30 Jun 2008, 14:01 pm
funny how the kiwi fans come on here and tell us off evry time there is a positive article on the boks chances.
i mean wtf?
why arent they happy to have a benchmark to look up to?
30 Jun 2008, 14:01 pm
#328 Boots: He has clearly run out of crayons and his colouring in book is full.
30 Jun 2008, 14:03 pm
329 st.a.t.w: back up your crit. let’s hear where you think that backline can be improved on?
30 Jun 2008, 14:03 pm
#331 pauld:
Whatever paul; I’m sure your little chirps will keep your Internet gang pals amused. I’m here to talk rugby
30 Jun 2008, 14:04 pm
#333 Richie_7: And you don’t do that particularly well either I’m afraid
30 Jun 2008, 14:05 pm
#26 st.a.t.w: What total **** – McCaw always comes out on top when he plays against Burger , even when Burger has luke at his side …… give credit where credit is due.
30 Jun 2008, 14:06 pm
#330 rangerman: I`ve noticed how less friendly tthey have become now that it`s getting closer to Tri-Nations. They are probly scared of the springboks and sondebok`s lucky jersey.
30 Jun 2008, 14:06 pm
#327 Richie_7: guys just chill. pauld is just defensive because he never intended to insult in the first place, I presume. We in SA know all about the importance of respect for different faiths and customs.
30 Jun 2008, 14:08 pm
#335 stew: Thats nonsense and you know it. Amazing how all AB’s supporters always seem to think they have the divine right to have the best loose forwards in the world. Remember how we aere told that Michael Jones was the best to have ever played the game. Cowboy Shaw , Zinzan et al. Get over it. They are good but there are others as good if not better
30 Jun 2008, 14:08 pm
#313 the peanut gallery:
#325 Boots:
who is making excuses ?
in fact, as you say, there is unquestionably ‘a little bit of doubt’ in the NZ camp. What that means is actually that the pressure is on SA to win. The intriguing question this poses is that the Boks, irrespective of their strength, always turned up in NZ as underdog. So when the tables are suddenly turned – and what self-respecting Safa would deny this with Bill locked away in the cupboard – then if they lose the damage to the psyche will be deep. The Boks took shelter under that underdog status for far too long but there will be nowhere to hide if they lose the 1st Test.
In fact, its nothing short of amusing to watch you SA-supporters in various ways shying away from favouritism. What ‘excuses’ could they possibly offer ?
30 Jun 2008, 14:08 pm
#335 stew:
In SA you cannot discredit Schalk. Unfortunately in my opinon he is too often overrated and doesn’t always live up to the hype. But try telling that to some die hard Bok fans
30 Jun 2008, 14:09 pm
#332 toughnrumble:
9.rikki
10.butch
11.brayn
12.jdv
13.ad/steyn
14.?/jantjes
15.jantjes/percy
30 Jun 2008, 14:10 pm
#336 sondebok: there is defo an undercurrent of unease with these kiwis at the moment.
a little nagging voice of doubt.
it may be sondeboks lucky jersey.
but three of their players have been snatched by the law this week for booze related incidents.
now if their thirst to win is all encompassing, they may ignore the discipline issue. but thats sure to lead to more trouble down the line.
oh, its a tightrope.
30 Jun 2008, 14:10 pm
The Valke are THIRD on the Currie Cup log!
30 Jun 2008, 14:11 pm
#335 stew:
good thing the ref is aleays on richie’s side,luke and skalk does’nt stand a chance
30 Jun 2008, 14:12 pm
#339 BlackPanther: uh buddy, it cuts both ways eh?
you are scrambling to come up with reasons that we should win because you are nervous. and if the AB home myth is shattered by the boks, whose fragile psyche do you think will be affected?
30 Jun 2008, 14:12 pm
#343 Valkman: I’ll give you 10/10 for perseverance
30 Jun 2008, 14:13 pm
#342 rangerman:
If they ignore the dicipline issue then they will also receive less support!
30 Jun 2008, 14:15 pm
#340 Richie_7: Fact is , Schalk and Juan Smith would be the first name on the AB team sheet if they were Kiwis. Schalk would move to no.8 to accomodate McCaw
30 Jun 2008, 14:15 pm
#342 rangerman: They are obviously depressed. That`s it. Depressed people drink more don`t they?
30 Jun 2008, 14:15 pm
yip these sports shrinks are perhaps useful at the highest level, but i dunno about no 1, a no-respect mentality is ridiculous cos you are fooling yourself. The only way to really develop self-belief is to go out there and do it, i.e. to win which is what White tried to get the boks to do. The boks are slowly getting there with the RWC and the S14 in 2007 and some narrow losses, but having no respect against new zealand is simply delusional.
surely the way to approach the tour is with the greatest of respect, but train and play to win, dont let them dictate, if they get stuck in, get stuck in back. If the boks played like they did in the RWC final with that level of committment, they will win imo.
30 Jun 2008, 14:16 pm
#339 BlackPanther:
What tables are turned?
Both SA and NZ betting have SA as the most likely losers
30 Jun 2008, 14:16 pm
#341 st.a.t.w:
9. Refer to the last game against Italy to compare Januarie and Pienaar in wet weather. Januarie has had a good season, but with FDP out, I’d feel a lot more comfortable with Pienaar on a wet pitch.
your only other clear difference from me is really in the centres where you obviously don’t rate my suggestion of Grant and De Villiers. Your only other options are to play Steyn there leaving a big lack of pace on the wing, or else to play Jacobs there. As much as I like Jacobs, I don’t feel confident watching him defend the likes of Nonu, Kahui or Mortlock. I suspect PDV’s going to pick him, so I will be waiting for a “I’m sorry tough – you were right’ from you next monday!
I do rate your suggestion of ? at 14 though.
30 Jun 2008, 14:17 pm
#351 church – like chch but pronounceable:
crazy hey?
30 Jun 2008, 14:18 pm
#349 sondebok: that must be it sondebok!
they are depressed! now why could they be so depressed?
30 Jun 2008, 14:19 pm
#354 rangerman: Because it pisses down 360 days a year
30 Jun 2008, 14:20 pm
#348 pauld:
Paul, I don’t disagree. However to believe Schalk is a finished product is not right by a long shot. There a lot of aspects of his game that need some fine tuning before he can be considered to be better that McCaw. McCaw doesn’t just play rugby, he adjusts his game to the opposition, the ref, even the opposing flanks. If Schalk can do the same there is no doubt in my mind he would be the worlds best.
As for Juan, well he’s in a league of his own
30 Jun 2008, 14:21 pm
#279 Valkman: Is da iemand wat hulle support?
30 Jun 2008, 14:21 pm
#278 rangerman: No, lack of knowledge, most in fact 80% of Sharks fans only started supporting the Sharks in the 90′s, which means they are there more for the party than the game. They are also the one who shout Sharks when there is a win, but when the team played, Sport Pienaar and Currie Cup B, these so called fans were hiding or not watching rugby at all. I have met of these Shark fans who still do this day ask “Who is playing on Saturday” or ” I missed the game because the FA or Premiership” was on
So comments slagging the supporters of SA who pay for the rugby via, tickets and satellite subscription does not sit well with me. As it is a a general statement his making with no reference attached to the comment. So running of your mouth would usually be attributed to an youngster and lack of knowledge of rugby to a “new” Sharks fan
30 Jun 2008, 14:21 pm
i am copying my comment from another thread here for all kiwi fans!
i am sick of the pc talk. we are gonna give you guys the stuffing you deserved in the world cup had you not bowed out ignominously!
30 Jun 2008, 14:22 pm
#352 toughnrumble:
i’m sorry but you lost me completly just the thought of pienaar starting
i guess you havent watced much rugby this year
30 Jun 2008, 14:24 pm
#356 Richie_7:
so mcaw is the finished product?
30 Jun 2008, 14:24 pm
#340 Richie_7:
what self-respecting fan of the oval-ball wouldnt have McCaw and Burger on the flanks of their current fantasy team ?
The Bokke have the best loose-forward combination out there, by a mile. McCaw apart, noone can match Burger-Smith-Spies. And thats without considering Kankowski, who is unbelievably promising, and Big Joe, who would certainly improve NZs stocks in that department. Soaiolo is a warrior but not really in the classic no8-mould than any of the SA options avail.
Burger may be more vim’n'bluster compared to Richies clinical and accurate execution but there is no way to deny his overall package. And playing with that huge smile on the dial just endears him to all 2-eyed fans. Allegiances apart, you wouldnt choose Burger over McCaw for the same jersey, but otherwise the 2 are head and shoulders better than the trailing pack of loosies around.
30 Jun 2008, 14:24 pm
#354 rangerman: It will take three more years to answer that question I`m afraid.
30 Jun 2008, 14:25 pm
#324 Valkman: Congrats! I was thinking of you Saturday when the Valke ruined my potential perfect weekend at Superbru.
Whatever you do, please don’t beat the Lions though. My father-in-law is the world’s biggest Lions fan. As you can probably imagine he has been in a deep depression for a number of years now and a loss to the Valke might just push him over the edge.
30 Jun 2008, 14:25 pm
#356 Richie_7: You seem to forget that Schalk made his debut in 2003 and has played 40 tests. Would have been a lot more had he not broken his neck against Scotland. So to say he is not the finished artcle beggars belief. The fact that McCaw can manipulate refs is not something I would see as a plus. People say that Schalk is indisciplined. He is not. The fact is that as numerous coaches have said he does the work of 3 or 4 players. With his work rate and the way he gets around the park , bounces up after tackles etc the refs naturally think he must be doing something illegal as he appears everywhere. Schalk Burger to Rugby is what Tiger Woods is to golf. He has no equal right now
30 Jun 2008, 14:25 pm
#361 st.a.t.w:
no player is ever the finished product, but he far closer than any other player currently
30 Jun 2008, 14:26 pm
#324 Valkman: Natuurlik. Die Lions is kak
30 Jun 2008, 14:27 pm
#356 Richie_7: Care to comment on Schalk being the IRB player of the year.
30 Jun 2008, 14:27 pm
#362 BlackPanther:
this man knows his stuff, but so ‘ialo remains a great player.
very underrated too. he could walk into most teams at openside, blindside or 8, that is what really makes him special, and his committment, full on. I’d say he’s very similar to Burger actually.
30 Jun 2008, 14:28 pm
#365 pauld:
Yeah, I’m not so sure paul. Players who play with him in the Bok squad will sing his praises after test matches, but then claim fouls or penalties when playing against him. I think we all need to accpet that fetchers will always play on the edge, Burger just happens to get pinned more than others
30 Jun 2008, 14:28 pm
#358 JL1: well! thats a huge generalisation now aint it JL1?
loftus is empty when the bulls are on a losing streak too. look at the attendances this s14 for the “champs”.
in fact, it is just a silly statement mate. sorry, but i have heard this line before and it really is a load of nonsense.
all teams have their supporters who know little about the game but enjoy the vibe. its just that we have the venue for it!
apparently 87% of the rest of the country wish they were sharks supporters, but 67% of them are unwilling to spend money on a new jersey but 23% of them have one hanging in their closet for their annual trip to the sea.
30 Jun 2008, 14:28 pm
#368 JL1:
Sure. Just broke onto the scene in 2004. Since then hasn’t won an award
30 Jun 2008, 14:28 pm
#358 JL1: Sounds to me like you packed the Venter trailer and went down to Durban on holiday, but your wife or girlfriend met some Durban oke, shacked up with him and you’ve never gotten over it.
Listen, chump, if you’ve never walked out of a stadium and heard supporters of the losing side grumbling and moaning and blaming everything on the ref then I doubt you’ve ever attended a live game.
Regards
30 Jun 2008, 14:30 pm
#373 Rooinek07: Thats a bit out of line Redneck. Dont care what you say to the individual but I have never seen anybody have a go at somebody’s wife , kids , girlfriend on here before. So cool it a bit.
30 Jun 2008, 14:31 pm
#365 pauld: I spoke to Jake W and Eddie J and they both commented the respect that all the other international players have of Schalk in fact, they even mentioned players like Jerry Collins actually being “afraid” of Schalk. The only weakness that they di mention which Eddie J has worked on with Schalk was that he tends to run into a player instead of going for a gap and off loading. They attributed this to his liking to inflict pain on an opposing player which is also not a weakness, just a something that needed to used at the right time
30 Jun 2008, 14:33 pm
#375 JL1: I would tend to think thats a pretty accurate summary
30 Jun 2008, 14:33 pm
#365 pauld:
“The fact is that as numerous coaches have said he does the work of 3 or 4 players.”
i wonder if richie 7 believes the same can be said about mcaw
i wonder if the 2 of them are related
30 Jun 2008, 14:33 pm
#374 pauld: Well then go ahead and report my post if you find it offensive. This guy has some serious issues with Sharks supporters so it’s a valid conclusion . . . and before you get too self-righteous, he’s the one who brought my family into it first. Scroll back and see for yourself.
Regards
30 Jun 2008, 14:34 pm
#368 JL1: I’m on your side in this, but that is not a good point to bring up – McCaw was player of the year in 2006.
30 Jun 2008, 14:34 pm
#345 rangerman:
‘myth’ ?
10 years. 9 consecutive defeats.
Im interested in your definition of myth. That aint no unicorn youre playing there fella.
Fact remains that NZ currently cannot be considered favourites irrespective of any bookies odds. If SA, arriving as reigning W.Champs, 13 wins on the trot and facing a team recently shorn of their best player and Captain, cannot enter this match as clear-but-slight-favourites, then the battle of who retains the ‘fragile psyche’ has already been decided.
30 Jun 2008, 14:34 pm
#350 cab:’ The only way to really develop self-belief is to go out there and do it, i.e. win ‘ difficult to call cab, what if you have been losing? That is when you need to find self belief. The question is how do you do this if you are not winning!
30 Jun 2008, 14:35 pm
#371 rangerman: pre ’87 the Sharks fans were few and far between
WP have not won since 2001 and still maintain the highest number of season ticket holders
#373 Rooinek07: That must be it, lucky I tend to go on holiday towards the Cape. I would rather keep it civil and leave the personal stuff out of this unless you want to carry on
30 Jun 2008, 14:36 pm
#377 st.a.t.w: Don’t get me wrong. I do rate McCaw. But I refuse to accept that he is the benchmark by which all fetchers should be compared to.
30 Jun 2008, 14:36 pm
#177 pauld: I cant beleive that Wylie Human is still playing …. I wonder why ??????
30 Jun 2008, 14:37 pm
#378 Rooinek07: Have a coke and smile. They are giving them away for free at Ellis Park or Coke Park or what ever they call it these days.
30 Jun 2008, 14:37 pm
#377 st.a.t.w: Yes, Schalk has a very high workrate but when it comes to carrying the ball, he does the work of half a player . . . or less.
If you insist on comparing Schalk with McCaw (even though they have vastly different styles), then McCaw wins it simply because he doesn’t fall down on first contact every time when he’s got the ball. Schalk does and it remains a big weakness.
Regards
30 Jun 2008, 14:37 pm
#379 siener: No, do not misunderstand me Richie is good, very good-not a good captain, but a good player
30 Jun 2008, 14:38 pm
#383 pauld: Because of his overblown Catholic celebrations when he scores a try. He receives haelthy backing from the Pope
30 Jun 2008, 14:38 pm
#381 zeitgeist:
yes thats also true, but think then need to look at it realistically, from the bok viewpoint they have not won in years, but have taken them close and they know they are getting better, they also know they have the players to do it, must play hard for 80mins and they will do it…but its a very big test match. if they lose there’ll be many questions but if this team wins they will go down as legends. depends how much they want it.
30 Jun 2008, 14:38 pm
Waar’s katman? Ek skat die Valke kan hulle vat, tjomma.
30 Jun 2008, 14:38 pm
#324 Valkman: We’ll see about that. Lions are going to beat your lot like a ginger stepchild. We’z gonna whip you like a rented mule, tjomma.
30 Jun 2008, 14:39 pm
#362 BlackPanther: It would be great to have a NH/SH tournament. Kind of a “European lions” against a “Southern Challengers”. Then we could see Richie Mccaw and Schalk in the same team!!!!!!
30 Jun 2008, 14:40 pm
#375 JL1: were you at the same breakfast as sharks_lover?
30 Jun 2008, 14:40 pm
Sadly most bloggers missed this Rooinek slating all of us off on this site and anyone else who supports rugby
Soi f you missed it have a look again as he reckons he/she/it is the rugby guru, the know it all rugby fan
“Sadly, the average South African rugby supporter is a knuckle-dragging half-wit who doesn’t have the first clue about the laws of the game, has no appreciation for how hard it is to ref a game of rugby and invariably whines and ******* about the ref whenever his team loses.”
30 Jun 2008, 14:41 pm
i am cautiously confident that if the correct players are selected and they are committed, i.e. play to their potential, the Boks will win. bj and rossouw were a huge mistake tho.
30 Jun 2008, 14:41 pm
#393 the peanut gallery: No I actually bumped into them at The Stoop
30 Jun 2008, 14:41 pm
#380 BlackPanther: i got one!
look, the “myth” is supposed home ground invincibility.
now how would it look if the boks beat your boys twice in a row, at home?
by the way, uncorns are a genetic anomaly. not a myth.
and they dont play rugby.
30 Jun 2008, 14:42 pm
#377 st.a.t.w:
Well then, please explain with an additional 2/3 players on the field how McCaw manages to turn over ball when playing the Springboks? Or how other teams find a gap in the defence?
30 Jun 2008, 14:43 pm
Hurricanes have the CAKE TIN , LIONS the COKE TIN. Would it be safe to assume that Boland will soon have the BREAD TIN given Bokomo’s involvement there ?
30 Jun 2008, 14:43 pm
#240 Rooinek07: Oh and on another point that must then include Graeme Henry who highlighted seventeen (17) errors that a referee made during the 2007 Quarter final game between NZ and France. So is he also a “rugby supporter is a knuckle-dragging half-wit who doesn’t have the first clue about the laws of the game, has no appreciation for how hard it is to ref a game of rugby and invariably whines and ******* about the ref whenever his team loses.”
30 Jun 2008, 14:44 pm
#365 pauld:
Burger is to rugby is what Tiger is to golf’ ?
Excuse the hyperbole…….
Now Im as big a fan of the Bokke loosies as anyone (Kankowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww ski !), but youve been blinded a little by hyperbole there. Burger is a physical brute, incredible fitness and bravery. But to compare him to Tiger is a complete nonsense. His banning in the RWC showed up his deficiencies (which are few) – who worth his salt gets banned for rough play vs lightweight Tonga ? At the very least he was reckless, if not dangerous, and that just highlights mental flaws.
Tiger obviously has the physical attributes but its his top-2-inches that separate him from the chasing pack. Burger, as brilliant as he is, aint no Einstein on the paddock.
30 Jun 2008, 14:44 pm
#382 JL1: ag man, that old WP-are -the-be-all-and-end-all argument again eh?
cmon mate, who cares how many sharks fans there were TWENTY years ago.
live in the now.
30 Jun 2008, 14:45 pm
#396 JL1: who’s stoop was that?
30 Jun 2008, 14:45 pm
#380 BlackPanther:
but its the bookies who rate the boks as underdogs, not the boks themselves.
the Boks are going to NZ to win, like they tried to do in France with success.
the ABs are under tremendous pressure, especially with Henry and some players whose careers could be decided saturday.
30 Jun 2008, 14:45 pm
#344 st.a.t.w: puh-lease……how much stick did we Kiwis receive for blaming the ref for the loss against France….now the ref is always on Ritchies side…keep clutching at straws mate…you have no Idea….
seems that that excuse (which is used often by SA supporters) has no credence this year, so for your sakes I hope your team wins, imagine not beating NZ when they are minus THE REF’s MATE ……..really would be discouraging no doubt…….I could list a litany of excuses if NZ dont win, but I wont….I will congratulate SA if that is what happens, but then I look at factors like some of your WC stars not having played ELV’s, our buildup has been slightly better (not much diff. between England and Italy really, aye Big Hit !!),
the pressure of winning in NZ (much like the AB’s and the WC), and a new coach and combinations that havent settled (same as the AB’s)…..the ELV”s are going to be the difference, and we all seen the result once all the AB players where back in the S14…the trophy returned to the right country…and Im sure any objective SA fan realises this…..
30 Jun 2008, 14:45 pm
#383 pauld: i’m not attacking you i’m agreeing
did you p*ss the rooineck of cause he’s having a go at me know
30 Jun 2008, 14:46 pm
#389 cab: agree cab it all depends on how much they want it.
30 Jun 2008, 14:46 pm
#401 BlackPanther: Lets be honest , Einsteins are not actually in abundant supply in rugby. Not these days at least. Point is , Burger has redefined aspects of the game. Simple.
30 Jun 2008, 14:47 pm
#403 the peanut gallery: Show your lack of knowledge, hey?
30 Jun 2008, 14:47 pm
#397 rangerman:
My apologies. I mistook you for someone who knows what theyre talking about.
Explain ‘supposed home invincibility’ ? I deal in facts, not, er, ‘myths’.
Au contraire. How would your Champion boys look if they lost both Tests against the weakest AB team in 10years ?
30 Jun 2008, 14:49 pm
#409 JL1: just yanking your chain. chill
30 Jun 2008, 14:49 pm
#406 st.a.t.w: I know you are not having a go at me dude. The rooinek forgot his FACTOR 45 this weekend and we all know that heatstroke leads to erratic , irrational and delerious behaviour. So take him with a pinch of salt.
30 Jun 2008, 14:49 pm
#398 Richie_7:
cause the exrea 2 or 3 guys are struggling to keep up with skalk
30 Jun 2008, 14:50 pm
#410 BlackPanther: Weak strong teams, that is all irrelevant when it comes down to test match rugby
That 1995 AB team was supposedly the best AB team in 20 years and they got thumped 15-12 at the Coke Tin
30 Jun 2008, 14:50 pm
#405 poppa69: the AB’s have a new coach?
i heard richie was helping rodney prepare but i didnt realise he was now player manager!
poppa, slow down. accept the possibility that we will stuff your team twice right now and it wont hurt as much when we do.
30 Jun 2008, 14:50 pm
#410 BlackPanther:
The All Blacks have nothing to lose. They’re playing the World Champions with their weakest team in 10 years – the Boks simply have to win this one or face humiliation
30 Jun 2008, 14:51 pm
#410 BlackPanther: Why are you banging on about the weakest AB team in years. I for one have never seen a weak AB team particularly at home.
30 Jun 2008, 14:51 pm
why is’nt richie mcaw the IRB world player year in and year out
30 Jun 2008, 14:52 pm
#408 pauld:
this looks more entertaining than I could have imagined. Please explain the aspects of rugby that Burger has ‘redefined’.
Redefined ??????!!!!!!!!
he’s good. Bloody good. A potential Great.
But redefined ?
Gee, I wish I was a teenager again. You can say anything and actually bloddy well believe it !
30 Jun 2008, 14:53 pm
#413 st.a.t.w:
Concentrate on his direct opponants, the opposition team’s game plan, and especially the ref…
30 Jun 2008, 14:53 pm
#416 Richie_7: if this is their weakest team, which was their strongest?
30 Jun 2008, 14:53 pm
#414 JL1:
1995 ?
be careful chucking the abuse around without a firm grip of the facts. The Cake Tin wasnt even built in 1995.
30 Jun 2008, 14:54 pm
#419 BlackPanther: The tackle would be one. And what he does after making the tackle. Everybody tries to do it the way he does it these days. Thats why he got pinged so often in the beginning. Refs could work out how he could make a big hit , bounce back to his feet and win the ball. All in a flash.
30 Jun 2008, 14:54 pm
#418 st.a.t.w:
The same reason Schalk isn’t
30 Jun 2008, 14:54 pm
#410 BlackPanther: now now lets not get nasty shall we? its you boys who keep talking up the fact that we havent won there in 10 years. keep it up. pile on the pressure mate. your team must be loving having to defend that statistic.
is this the “weakest All Black team in 10 yrs”?
or is it the strongest bok team in years?
perception, they say, is reality.
30 Jun 2008, 14:54 pm
with the current AB tight 5 (which remains their greatest strength) and so’ialo and carter there and with all their depth, no ways they are a weak side, they’ve just annhihalted twice an england side that is not as bad as made out.
30 Jun 2008, 14:55 pm
#422 BlackPanther: He said the COKE Tin. The new name for Ellis Park
30 Jun 2008, 14:55 pm
#383 pauld: McCaw is a great. I think he is the benchmark and I’m definitely not an AB fan. He reads ref’s incredibly well and adapted well to new ELV’s before others did. He has a weakness, doesn’t enjoy it when opposing players don’t give him the respect he thinks he deserves, both Scahlk and Pedrie have shown him up last season. I also don’t think he’s handling the captaincy well.
30 Jun 2008, 14:55 pm
#422 BlackPanther: Coke Tin, the “new” name for Ellis Park and the score is was and will always remain 15-12
30 Jun 2008, 14:56 pm
#421 the peanut gallery:
over the past 8 years they’ve had much stronger teams. Strong enough to win a world cup? No. But a lot more experience and talent that the current one
30 Jun 2008, 14:56 pm
#417 pauld:
Im sorry, where did I say the AB team ‘is weak’ ?
Weak-est.
They are the weak-est AB team in 10years. Fact.
Not weak tho. But nowhere near as good as AB teams since 1998. Which part of that do you NOT understand ?
30 Jun 2008, 14:57 pm
I`m going to see if oats can be sown on the Sharks thread
30 Jun 2008, 14:58 pm
#425 rangerman: What are the stats
10 Years without losing against SA in NZ and what 5 years off not losing at home against anyone except against Tana and his handbags
The pressure is mounting on the ABs, I can smell a choke coming up
30 Jun 2008, 14:58 pm
#416 Richie_7: Nothing to lose? Tell another one.
With the whole Deans/Henry fiasco many NZ fans are already pissed off. Should the AB’s lose on Saturday that pot is going to boil over.
30 Jun 2008, 14:59 pm
#431 BlackPanther: Weak , Weaker , Weakest. All semantics. Fact is that you are hedging your bets and thats always sad. There is no such thing as a weakest AB side. Prior to this current 3N , none of your other sides played ELVIS rules for example so how you can call your current team the weakest in the last 10 years is beyond me. Hey , they might still surprise all of us.
30 Jun 2008, 14:59 pm
i love the “weakest team in 10yrs” manta that is being developed here by the kiwis.
love it!
just shows how much they rate McCaw and how devestated they are by his loss.
for my part its a pity. if we beat them now, we will never hear the end of the “McCaw was missing” moan. it will join barnes and suzy in the lexicon of Nz sporting disasters.
30 Jun 2008, 14:59 pm
question to all you rugby gurus. you can only pick one – schalk or mccaw?
30 Jun 2008, 15:00 pm
If anyone out there has the chance go and watch the federe hewitt match. Tie break Federer 9/7 first set. That man is magnificent. If only he could play flyhalf.
30 Jun 2008, 15:00 pm
#400 JL1: sorry ??? how many times have we heard SA supporters whine on about Dickinson ?????????? face it, you guys are scared that you have what you think is a dominating team, who won the easiest WC ever, and the lack of belief you supporters hold in them, the only way to make yourselves feel good is to berate the AB’s who could list thousands of reasonsd why we shouldnt win this series, but we wont…best team wins on the day, but its nice to see all the SA supporters hiding behind a hollow yellow cup, thinking they are going to roll over a country that had what was rightfully theirs stolen in 87……our first chance to show the world the injustice of last year…without the REF’s MATE (as some SA poster refers to on this thread)….
nice to see how NERVOUS SA’s are , you are expected to win, your the WC champs and the No.1 ranked side….how could you lose ????????
30 Jun 2008, 15:01 pm
#416 Richie_7:
“The All Blacks have nothing to lose”
is’nt there 3N title at stake?
30 Jun 2008, 15:02 pm
#437 the peanut gallery:
mccaw … any day!
30 Jun 2008, 15:02 pm
#429 JL1:
very good !
the 1995 AB team proved to all’n'sundry their quality about 6mths after the Final.
Thats what quality teams do. They win matches on foreign soil. No argument. No debate. 1-off matches are 1 thing, away-Series are absolutely another.
If SA win 2-0 in NZ, there will be absolutely no arguments. 1996, Loftus……..happy happy days.
30 Jun 2008, 15:03 pm
#439 poppa69: WTF ? Let it all out. Don’y hold back please.
30 Jun 2008, 15:05 pm
#442 BlackPanther: lol, i seem to recall the same kinda confidence in 2007.
nice to see you are finally back to yourself mate. hopefully (for your sake) the boks dont COMPLETELY shatter your fragile psyche.
30 Jun 2008, 15:05 pm
#434 siener:
And how does that relate to the players? Surely the pressure would be on the coach/administrators?
But the boks walk off the field on Saturday having suffered a loss and it’ll be post 2003 England all over again. And who will get it then? The players? The coach? The administrators? Quotas? Selections? Luke Watson? Face it, another loss could destroy everything the 2007 WC win created.
30 Jun 2008, 15:05 pm
#435 pauld:
I cant name 1 AB team since 1998 that wasnt better than this one.
2 wins over an England team who fielded props in midfield is no marker for establishing ‘quality’. Who in their right mind thinks a win over any England team since 2003 is anything to shout from the rafters about ???
30 Jun 2008, 15:06 pm
#439 poppa69: Two words. Sour and Grapes. Come on , surely you can do better than dragging that old chestnut out again.
30 Jun 2008, 15:06 pm
#439 poppa69: if we won the easiest world cup ever, then that means you lot couldn’t even make the semis of the easiest world cup ever.
30 Jun 2008, 15:07 pm
#439 poppa69:
Only ranked number 1 on the IRB site that gives tripple bias to WC games.
The IRB ranking is biased (statisticly)
30 Jun 2008, 15:07 pm
It will be lovely if we can win this one.
It’s like Province beating the BB’s this weekend.
92% of the joy comes from the fact that you know the losing party will feel the pain more than most.
30 Jun 2008, 15:08 pm
#439 poppa69: lol, slow down crackhead. you are gonna pop a vein.
we are gonna pillage and plunder your islands. dont try any fancy tricks with your womenfolk either. we dont want any dirty tricks.
30 Jun 2008, 15:08 pm
#440 st.a.t.w:
Well according tp Bok supporters the only thing that matter is the William Web Ellis trophy, so regardless of how manay times the All Blacks have won the 3Nations and S12/14 in the last 10 years all we ever hear about is 1995 and 2007.
Make up your mind
30 Jun 2008, 15:08 pm
#439 poppa69:
and here i was thinking the 1987 world cup was the easiest
30 Jun 2008, 15:09 pm
9.Pienaar, 10.Butch, 11. Habana, 12. Steyn, 13.De Villiers, 14. JP, 15. Percy, back to Penguin Backline, all white, with black wings!!!
30 Jun 2008, 15:09 pm
#450 Sheriff: howzit sheriff. ya. haven’t seen any bulls supporters on here today.
30 Jun 2008, 15:10 pm
#415 rangerman: oh I can rangerman, and I will be the first to congratulate you , but , and big but here….are you seriously that confidant ? some of your team havent even played the new ELV laws , doesnt that worry you ???PDV doesnt have a settled combination yet does he ?? lineouts you will reign supreme, guess what Einstein, there are not that many lineouts with the new laws ….and you have a very much untried front row at test match level…while we have a team that for 1, wants to right what went wrong last year, 2. prove that your win in the WC was just that , luck of the draw and 3. bury the myth that we are half the team without one R. McCaw….
Anyone that pulls on a black jersey (as I assume it is for SA’s) is ready to die for that jersey, and that is was your team faces….
A wounded, dis-respected rugby nation that should be respected regardless of the team they put out…….no way in the world you will win 2, one maybe, but not two……..its the 3N’s now, you know, that competition you have won , how many times , once is it ???????????
30 Jun 2008, 15:10 pm
#449 church – like chch but pronounceable: ja chch, if your lot had won a few more games (like 3) in that wc, they would be no. 1.
but whatever helps.
30 Jun 2008, 15:10 pm
#448 the peanut gallery:
Two roads to the final. i remember SA being taken close by Tonga and Fiji. Lucky you didn’t have the other route, aye?
30 Jun 2008, 15:10 pm
#436 rangerman:
more the point, what will be said if the McCaw-less team beats the World Champions ?
NZ certainly has no monopoly on excuses. Paddy Obrien. Aus-NZ conspiracies. ‘Speak to your men’. Transformation. Piet van Zyl………
Like it or not, those choker jibes are gonna rebound real quick if these Boks depart NZ shores w/o atleast 1 good win.
30 Jun 2008, 15:10 pm
#451 rangerman: The Maori’s already did that when they invaded a few hundred years ago. Did you know that trench warfare was first developed by the Maoris many years ago. They used it to lay siege to all the non-compliant villages who were not prepared to accept their rule. Used with great effect against the Poms as well. Then it was copied by the English. Fine warriors the Maori’s were back then.
30 Jun 2008, 15:11 pm
#456 poppa69:
TriNations 2007 – all Carter did was kicked the ball back upfield and NOT out. removed lineouts from the equation, and the rest was history
30 Jun 2008, 15:11 pm
#459 BlackPanther: When you guys win the next WC then we can stop with the choker jibes. Until then its business as usual
30 Jun 2008, 15:12 pm
#450 Sheriff:
I think that the South Africans will feel much more pain losing than a South Island Kiwi
30 Jun 2008, 15:12 pm
#452 Richie_7:
can’t speak for the rest but i’m a bok supporter and having the webb ellis trophy for the next 4 years is importent i sure would like to have a couple of 3N titles aswell
30 Jun 2008, 15:12 pm
#445 Richie_7: There is a massive amount of pressure on the Springboks, but that does not mean that there’s none on the AB’s.
You don’t think administrative troubles add pressure to the players? Hell, that’s usually the story of SA rugby. I’m glad the shoe is on the other foot – for the moment at least.
Also, since the World Cup it seems that people in NZ have been trying to cope by saying that the AB’s are the better team even though the Boks won. A win for the Boks and that security blanket will be gone.
30 Jun 2008, 15:13 pm
#455 the peanut gallery:
It was a hard game to watch.
Province played very Allister-like for the biggest part of the game, I’m referring to the lack of the ability to finish.
Sour ‘n sweet. ‘n Blou Bul kry altyd ekstra seer.
30 Jun 2008, 15:13 pm
sharks thread thin.
30 Jun 2008, 15:14 pm
#465 siener:
And a loss will just reinforce the rest of the world’s view that SA has an easy road to the cup
30 Jun 2008, 15:14 pm
#465 siener: Re your last paragraph , they said that in 95 as well. And in 99 when the Frogs mashed them
30 Jun 2008, 15:15 pm
My my the AB’s are getting uptight, fragile. The Bokke are harder mentaly – that may just be the deciding factor.
30 Jun 2008, 15:15 pm
#461 Richie_7: my point exactly Ritchie……who is better at broken field football, SA or the AB’s…and thats what will decide the result under the new ELV’s…….Im confidant even without Ritchie…time to put the pretenders away !!!!
30 Jun 2008, 15:15 pm
#464 st.a.t.w:
Not going to happen, Tonga,Samoa,Fiji, and England don’t participate in the 3Nations
30 Jun 2008, 15:17 pm
#463 church – like chch but pronounceable:
To quote Robbie Deans “we can sense it’s there, we just have to go out there and do the business”
We = the Boks of course
30 Jun 2008, 15:17 pm
#422 BlackPanther:
If you stick around on this thread it will get to a 1000.
When last has an AB team said this:
We’re playing the best team in the world,” So’oialo told NZPA. “They certainly showed that in their World Cup campaign and then coming into the games they’ve had in the last few weeks, they’ve been great and they’re certainly the benchmark that we need to reach”
As Ive mentioned in another thread. The AB’s have based their dominance on confidence and creating fear and too much respect of the AB jersey into other teams. Judging by this comment the AB’s aren’t demanding that same respect. Im just happy that its not the Boks worried about the Ab’s but the AB’s worried about the boks and this in their back garden.
Name one test team in the History of this great game that were ever favourites to beat the All Blacks in NZ. Im not shying away from favouritism but just enjoying watching how the greatness that is The ALL Black has to deal with issues that have not been there before.
ie Not being No 1 in the world and also not trusting their coach.
I think their will be more viewers watching this match than there have ever been between the Boks and Kiwis.
And yes as another blogger said. They will do the new Haka.
30 Jun 2008, 15:17 pm
#472 Richie_7: LMAO …so true, and this side JUST beat that ultimate world power FIJI …no wonder they think they can sweep all before them, I mean, a narrow win over such formidable foes as the Fijian’s has to say something ……
30 Jun 2008, 15:18 pm
#462 pauld: No we won’t stop. If the AB’s win in 2011 all that they will have proved was that they can win a WC at home. Let them win one away and we’ll talk again.
30 Jun 2008, 15:19 pm
#475 poppa69: We were not fortunate to get Portugal and the other cannon fodder dished out to you lot.
30 Jun 2008, 15:20 pm
#474 Boots:
Great! I think there is no better show of respect than the AB’s doing the new Haka when facing the Bokke. It just shows the amount of respect these players have for each other. ANd lets face it, you can’t call yourself the best until you’ve beaten them.
The AB’s badly want to be #1 again
30 Jun 2008, 15:20 pm
#476 siener: yeah, cause we never win a 3N’s away from home, thats right , you cant win anything away from home against us can you ….when was it, last century ??????????????
30 Jun 2008, 15:20 pm
#467 sondebok: this whole ****** site’s thin today. must be the lack of bull bellies.
30 Jun 2008, 15:20 pm
#465 siener:
haha
You say NZ people have been trying to cope by saying that New Zealand are the better team. “trying to cope” ….. You talk utter ****!
Both SA and NZ betting has the ABs as favourites.
30 Jun 2008, 15:21 pm
#472 Richie_7:
and here i was begining to practise my victory dance
good thing for AB’s that france also is’nt in the 3N
30 Jun 2008, 15:21 pm
#476 siener: Very good point. I didn’t think of that. They won at home in 87 as well. So they’ll get two bookends for their collection of “the best team that never won 91,95,99,03 , 07
30 Jun 2008, 15:21 pm
#477 pauld: true , you got England twice…..fark, portugal would have been harder in 1 game than in those 2 against England….
30 Jun 2008, 15:21 pm
Richie, broken field football has a few aspects to it. If you are talking about rucks and mauls – I would agree with you, the AB pretenders will be put away.
If you are talking about the lightning quick counter attack when a ball is hit/missed/kicked loose – then AB’s do indeed pose a threat.
All in all though – good one. You are indeed supplying us with motivation, seeing as you rate NZ as favourites. We are of course the under-dogs.
But you must strive for more consistency in your posts if you insist on taking this harder, more truthfull and ultimately more helpful line. Thanks
30 Jun 2008, 15:22 pm
#471 poppa69: you sound worried. even confidant. take a deep breath dude. If you’ve been here long enough you would’ve seen that most supporters give the AB’s credit where due.
30 Jun 2008, 15:22 pm
#485 zeitgeist: make that post addressed to poppa69
30 Jun 2008, 15:23 pm
#456 poppa69: I am sensing that the players are sick and tired of Henry as well, not just some disgruntled fans
Hansen is also looking at his lifejacket to get out of this sinking ship early, now there is a strategic thinker already lining up his next job as this one is numbered
Pray that we whip your backsides so that you can get rid of Henry
30 Jun 2008, 15:23 pm
#456 poppa69: wow, you guys have a lot more to prove than i thought!
30 Jun 2008, 15:24 pm
#458 Richie_7: like the easy route the all blacks had in ’87. no sa there.
lets see – no carel du plessis, no danie gerber, no naas botha. best in their positions in the world. can’t remember who was in the forwards those days.
two roads indeed.
30 Jun 2008, 15:25 pm
#474 Boots:
Your argument is *** about face because if I trusted Henry to do the right thing he must exclude 3 players from selection thus making the side worse
30 Jun 2008, 15:25 pm
#484 poppa69: Aus and NZ ended top of the two weakest groups in the WC. No teams in those groups even made it to the semis.
SA on the other hand won the toughest group – never before has the two finalists come from the same group.
30 Jun 2008, 15:25 pm
#482 st.a.t.w:
Damn right! Every team has their bogey team
30 Jun 2008, 15:26 pm
#484 poppa69: Tell us what has happened to the AB fans, I have seen supporter numbers dwindle in the last years of S14 and 3N?
30 Jun 2008, 15:26 pm
#486 shooter</ #485 zeitgeist: How can SA be regarded as underdogs ??????
You have all been saying for years how you are the best rugby nation in the world (stats prove otherwise), you are the winners of a 6 week tournament that seems to be the end all in rugby these days (6 weeks dominance over 4 years, makes sense), you are ranked no.1 , we dont have Ritchie(which worries me little), you have the bulk of your convincing WC side….and you are still not favourites ???? doesnt add up…
Imagine the SA pysche if you lose both games in NZ, would be a real HOLLOW feeling wouldnt it, much like 2007…
30 Jun 2008, 15:27 pm
#490 the peanut gallery:
Those very same players had a chance at the All Blacks a few years later, with little success.
30 Jun 2008, 15:28 pm
#485 zeitgeist:
I call it like I see it. If that tickles your fancy and motivates you, then good on ya
30 Jun 2008, 15:28 pm
#462 pauld:
and who says the choker tag is confined solely to RWCs ?
Its a label thrown about with much exuberance by some. Funny, I dont hear it from many French people but you hear it alot from Poms and Safas. How strange. A psychologist would have a field day with that one.
Perhaps the ABs are RWC chokers. Perhaps. But the Springboks undoubtedly feel the collar tiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiightening in the Departure lounge.
30 Jun 2008, 15:28 pm
#496 Richie_7: A few years later, was 5 years later when all and sundry retired and the remaining ones played with Zimmer Frames
30 Jun 2008, 15:30 pm
#481 church – like chch but pronounceable: Of course NZ are the favourites – the AB’s are very close to unbeatable at home. I was just countering Richie_7′s argument that the Blacks have nothing to lose on Saturday.
30 Jun 2008, 15:30 pm
#496 Richie_7: when was that ’92? they were way past their best then.
30 Jun 2008, 15:30 pm
It is really a futile exercise to try and convince someone on a blog that your team will win.
It’s really the 80 min on the park that will count the most.
Both teams will not have a problem with motivation.
30 Jun 2008, 15:31 pm
#494 JL1: yeah why wouldnt they , when the AB’s consistantly win the 3N’s , the Crusaders or Blues win the S10,12,14…we would like to see competition ….dont you ??????
30 Jun 2008, 15:32 pm
#500 siener: see post 495…answers your question…
30 Jun 2008, 15:32 pm
#499 JL1: #501 the peanut gallery:
Well gents, then lets not try to guess what would have happened were they around. They weren’t, the AB’s won. And nothing we say or guess is going to change that
30 Jun 2008, 15:32 pm
#491 church – like chch but pronounceable:
Put your comment in lamen terms cause what I understand you are sayin is that If you trusted Henry he should make 3 changes to the side but then you agree that the side will be worse so why make the changes in the 1st place.
I dont think I understand your comment.
30 Jun 2008, 15:32 pm
#480 the peanut gallery: moo-hoo. What, you’re waiting to exact your win? Well done, congrats, WP.
The penalty count in the last 15 minutes was shocking. Well done Wa-wiel De Waal, without your dive Lobberts’ would’ve gotten a warning only.
The extended TMO’s involvement is up for discussion. Not an excuse that the Bulls lost.
How’s that Hougaard’s (9) pass.
30 Jun 2008, 15:32 pm
#498 BlackPanther: Not really, the away record of most teams have been dismal over the last 8 years(only the ABs have a decent away record) I mean the Aussies have only won one Tri Nations in SA ever
So not really choking, on the other hands the ABs bring the ” best team assmebled to get the RWC every 4 years” and lose in the quarters or semis, that is usually seen as choking. The weight of expectation is just too much
I wonder by how much domestic violence will increase on Saturday (in NZ) after the Boks beat the ABs
30 Jun 2008, 15:35 pm
#456 poppa69: “A wounded, dis-respected rugby nation that should be respected regardless of the team they put out”
What is your net worth? You’re certainly the most precious person on this site.
30 Jun 2008, 15:35 pm
#507 shooter:
I really considered buying a BB rugby jersey as suggested.
But given the outcome, it will no longer be necessary.
30 Jun 2008, 15:36 pm
#500 siener:
You said that New Zealanders were trying to cope by … bla bla bla
30 Jun 2008, 15:36 pm
#480 the peanut gallery: typical of many of the bulls fans here on this site, grootbek before the game and run to the kameeldorings after they lose. Ungrateful fuckers. WP give them 2 tries and a massive lead and they have victory snatched away from them as easily as a mugger snatches an old tannie`s purse.
30 Jun 2008, 15:37 pm
Look we must give credit to history here – it says NZ are unbeatable at home. So why this frenzied attack by the AB supporters on this site? I just cant fathom it.
30 Jun 2008, 15:38 pm
#510 Sheriff: To wear and the Bully Beef Tin ?
30 Jun 2008, 15:38 pm
#503 poppa69: No mate, there are other issues
#505 Richie_7: Well then do not refer to a easy ride in the RWC
30 Jun 2008, 15:38 pm
#506 Boots:
Three players have been involved in legal incidents which would compromise the integrity of the All Blacks if they were chosen for the next game. Unfortunity integrity is not the 1st word that springs to mind when I think of Graham Henry.
30 Jun 2008, 15:38 pm
314 zeitgeist: sadly noone else sees thru the faulty logic and prefers to talk soccer.
30 Jun 2008, 15:39 pm
#512 sondebok: and don’t forget it is the moffie/pansy/brokeback/poser/prettyboy wp team that beat them.
30 Jun 2008, 15:40 pm
#509 Rev. Jim Jones – Champion of the people (2008), harbinger of awesomeness: no , you take that title hands down, if your screen name is anything to go by…….you must be the Rev the Catholic church try to hide, how many little boys you played with ???????
30 Jun 2008, 15:41 pm
#513 zeitgeist:
What frenzied attack?
30 Jun 2008, 15:41 pm
#507 shooter: oh, o.k. it’s excuse time. just hold on. let me make myself comfortable.
o.k. now carry on.
30 Jun 2008, 15:41 pm
Wanna beat the All Blacks in NZ.
First forget about their team.
It will be very strong.
Second concentrate on your team.
First order of business for your team is prepare them.
We have not done that very well.
No point speculating on how we will do, until he selects the team.
If he selects the right players we have a chance of winning.
However they then need to play test match rugby.
So the obvious 2 questions are:
Will he select the right players?
Will he play the right game?
30 Jun 2008, 15:41 pm
Graham Henry is an awesome coach, the silent headmaster of test rugby. With a stat record like his, the AB’s cannot lose.
30 Jun 2008, 15:41 pm
#516 church – like chch but pronounceable: What exactly did Deans do to piss of the NZRU so much. Keeping GH on was a bad call.
30 Jun 2008, 15:42 pm
#523 zeitgeist: They said that about Mains and Hart as well.
30 Jun 2008, 15:43 pm
#513 zeitgeist: thats my point! every time there is a positive article on the boks, some AB fans log on and start the attack.
i this case i am loving it.
if the boks win, we will see less of poppa and blackpanther than we did in late 2007, early 2008.
in fact, all the “revenge” talk is laughable as their team didnt give us the chance to give them a proper whipping in the wc did they?
30 Jun 2008, 15:43 pm
#522 tight head: I am disappointed in you TH. You never mentioned the SCRUM ! Why oh why ? Surely the team that chooses the best scrummagers will win , no ?
30 Jun 2008, 15:43 pm
#513 zeitgeist: It seems like the AB fans here are trying to have it both ways:
The All Blacks are the best team in the world and the Boks had an easy run in the World Cup, but on the other hand we just want to cover ourselves so let’s say SA are favourites because they are world champs and this is also the weakest NZ team in 10 years.
30 Jun 2008, 15:44 pm
#522 tight head: hi tighthead. in nutshell, the bare facts and one the players and coach will be thinking about.
30 Jun 2008, 15:44 pm
#510 Sheriff: may I suggest a flag then. At least you can wear it as a cape then, with a Sharks cap, Lions Lager, Cheetha CD your provvie jersey and Springbok toks when we butcher the 50%
Blacks this weekend.
30 Jun 2008, 15:44 pm
#495 poppa69:
As my previous post. Name me any team in the history of rugby that have been favourites to beat the AB’s in NZ. World cup winners or not No.1 ranking or not then maybe your math will make sense.
You right it would be hollow to lose both tests but we’ve been there before Imagine how hollow it would be for the kiwis to only lose their 3rd series on home soil ever and their 2nd to the Boks of which the last and only one was in 1954. Thats so hollow it couldnt even compare to the contents in Schalk Burgers head.
30 Jun 2008, 15:45 pm
#505 Richie_7: exactly. so nothing will change the fact that the boks won in ’07 and ’95. that’s right 2 out of 4 = 50%
all blacks 1 out of 6 = 17%
30 Jun 2008, 15:45 pm
#519 poppa69: About the same amount as All Blacks arrested in the past few months.
30 Jun 2008, 15:45 pm
#526 rangerman: you wont see less of me, and as I stated on an earlier post, I will be one of the first to congratulate them if they do, just the fact that half of your supporters think they only have to turn up to win…..when I know it is going to be a mammoth effort if they are to do that…..something most SA supporters fail to acknowledge…..
30 Jun 2008, 15:46 pm
sorry havn’t the Boks choked in NZ since 1998? :Lets deal with reality, but the RWC medal in the sock drawer and come out fighting, ok with or without your wife’s panty, gstrin, throng or pantiloons on your head, whatever ‘box-on’. oops sounds too much like ‘doos-aan… jou kop’ but that a dutch thing.
30 Jun 2008, 15:46 pm
#533 Rev. Jim Jones – Champion of the people (2008), harbinger of awesomeness: that many aye….well small things occupy small minds, you must have one of the smallest “minds” ever hahahahaha
30 Jun 2008, 15:46 pm
#522 tight head: tighthead, you didn’t mention a good right shoulder from your no.3.
are you feeling o.k.
30 Jun 2008, 15:47 pm
#474 Boots:
The 1974 Lions landed in NZ, with Barry John, as overwhelming favourites.
The World Champion Wallabies were favourites in NZ after their 1991 RWC win. And any teams that arrived under J.Eales !
The thing is, there are repurcussions with spouting about any team being ‘chokers’. Really, what are you if you lose to a team of chokers ? And how many times is that magnified if youre the reigning World Champions ?
The rapidly-retreating position of who should be comfortable with the favourites tag says it all.
30 Jun 2008, 15:47 pm
#518 the peanut gallery: How embarrassing for les Bleus to get Fukked by Kaapstad Moffia.
30 Jun 2008, 15:47 pm
#522 tight head:
How dare you come on this site and speak some sense
Too much “My dogs bigger than your dog” stuff.
30 Jun 2008, 15:48 pm
#514 pauld:
Yaaiks, I get the creeps just thinking about putting on a BB jumper
30 Jun 2008, 15:48 pm
For a while it was only the Blou Masjien, but then we lost some direction, and WP exploited that. Fair and square. I only know…. the CC is not won in June
30 Jun 2008, 15:48 pm
#524 pauld:
If the NZRU had sacked GH then it would have also been a statement that their agreement with the resting of players (and the way it was done) was also wrong. The masters of self preservation went for the least harm to themselves option.
30 Jun 2008, 15:48 pm
#535 magog: fukkit. what you on about? english please.
30 Jun 2008, 15:49 pm
#531 Boots: hang on, when we had the No.1 ranking we were called chokers for losing in another country, so since you guys have that ranking, suddenly its different ???? I dont think so, you are the number 1 side in the world according to rankings, worried your boys wont live up to that mantle a la England 2003 ?????
30 Jun 2008, 15:49 pm
#534 poppa69:
“just the fact that half of your supporters think they only have to turn up to win”
sound suspiciously like the AB fans before rwc 0 eh?
mate, most of the ragging on this site is tongue in cheek. banter. we dont disrespect the AB’s. we just feel we have the team to give you guys the beating we all dream of.
simple really.
30 Jun 2008, 15:50 pm
Henry wants his ABs to be underdogs
PDV has been quiet
So tomorrow all and sundry will start with their quotes
30 Jun 2008, 15:51 pm
#528 siener:
No. If NZ had Hayman, McAlister, Jack, Kelleher and Howlett avail you wouldnt hear anyone talking about this AB team being weak. Besides, noone said it was ‘weak’, just pointing out that teams that have gone before it were strongER.
30 Jun 2008, 15:51 pm
Do we really need people braging about the number of little boys they hve recently played with on this site!
30 Jun 2008, 15:52 pm
#530 shooter:
I think most BB fans thought when Joubert and Pedrie scored “Today is our day”
The result must have hurt deeply. And Province played poorly, forget possession. I dont rate teams that cannot finish.
30 Jun 2008, 15:52 pm
#546 rangerman: I disrespect the ABs.
30 Jun 2008, 15:52 pm
Boks are favouites. They are the World Champions and all the reasons from: Burger, Smit, Smith, Bakkie, Matfield, Spies, Kanko, Butch, Steyn, JDV, Habana and Monty shows that NZ are underdogs. They are underdogs because Hayman, Jack, Williams, Colins, McCaw, Mauger, McAlister and Tanaare no longer their. Lets take the mantle and wear it proudly and lose bravely.
30 Jun 2008, 15:52 pm
#522 tight head: Tighthead, with your knowledge of how rugby should be played I’m surprised you’re not heading off to Leicester with Heineke Meyer!
“First order of business for your team is prepare them.”
“If he selects the right players we have a chance of winning.”
“However they then need to play test match rugby.”
That’s really insightful…although you forgot to mention that: “If we want to beat New Zealand, in New Zealand, first thing we have to do is fly to New Zealand”
LoL – this site is always good for a laugh!
30 Jun 2008, 15:52 pm
the paranoia is lovely to see.
i sense weakness. GH senses it too. never heard him talk like this before.
let the games begin!
30 Jun 2008, 15:52 pm
besides the ’87 & 95 WC the blacks never made a WC final
they must have the worst pool draws ever
30 Jun 2008, 15:52 pm
#549 church – like chch but pronounceable: The question was asked. Would be rude not to answer.
30 Jun 2008, 15:53 pm
#526 rangerman: yes loving the banter myself. Dont know poppa69, but BlackP has some some good rugby brains!#528 siener: Hahaha, yes it seems a little convenient.
Just for the record, banter aside, I give full and humble respect to the AB’s. I will cheer the AB’s in any match they play, except against us, because they represent the best, most important aspects of rugby. Self-belief, trust in the team ethic, hard but fair, gentlemanly(well mostly! eg Mcaw) but uncompromising, never give up.
Like tighthead, I believe we can do it.
30 Jun 2008, 15:53 pm
#546 rangerman: Ranger. I went to Paris for the final. There were more AB supporters than Eng/SA folks. They were so confident they were going to win that they all booked non-refundable package tours valid for the entire WC. Ended up having a few drinks with some of them. They were really down. A lot of people pretty much put their entire savings into the trip as well as taking unpaid leave. I expect a lynching party for GH if he loses a game in the 3N.
30 Jun 2008, 15:53 pm
#549 church – like chch but pronounceable:
Howzit ChCh.
Some people revert back to their basic instincts when they have nothing better to say.
Score prediction?
30 Jun 2008, 15:54 pm
#548 BlackPanther: IF ? If my aunt had balls she would be my Uncle. We cannot deal in if’s and but’s only reality
30 Jun 2008, 15:54 pm
#548 BlackPanther: if the boks had naas, danie gerber, carel duplessis………..but they dont.
front up buddy. the game is this weekend, not last year.
30 Jun 2008, 15:54 pm
#556 Rev. Jim Jones – Champion of the people (2008), harbinger of awesomeness: you are sick
30 Jun 2008, 15:55 pm
#534 poppa69: wrong, no one says that beside a few stragglers. We know it will be a thing
30 Jun 2008, 15:57 pm
#558 pauld:
That is my single biggest fear. What will happen to GH should they lose?
30 Jun 2008, 15:57 pm
#558 pauld:
At least they got some enjoyment out of it. Equally possible was for some ‘broker’ to steal their life savings with invalid/non-existent stocks.
At least enjoy it while you can!
30 Jun 2008, 15:57 pm
#558 pauld: my boet went to the AB vs frogs game wearing a bok jersey. he took so much abuse from the kiwis, being called a “dirty saffa” and a “japie” that he proceeded to have a frog tricolores painted on his bald pip in protest.
we all know how that turned out.
30 Jun 2008, 15:57 pm
#531 Boots: 1937 Springboks, 3rd test.
Regards
30 Jun 2008, 15:58 pm
#559 OCO:
Hi OCO. Wait till after AB team annouced tomorrow
#553 crazy ******
30 Jun 2008, 15:58 pm
#538 BlackPanther:
Honestly, I would trade the Boks position of World Champs 2x with that of being ranked #1 in the world for almost every month of 20 years but being called a choker cause they cant win WC.
Its our only way of getting back at you guys, I mean what else besides submission would we otherwise have on you guys.
And you cant honestly tell me that any team John Eales took to NZ was a favourite in NZ. Id like to know the stats on the amt of Tests the Ozzies won under JE in NZ.
Ill be happy for the Kiwis to call us favourites, its just one more notch that gets lost on the respect for the black jersey and makes you guys more vulnarable.
Hell Im enjoying this
30 Jun 2008, 15:58 pm
#553 crazy ******: Tight Head was going to go with Meyer but he has decided to ghost write Meyers book on the Scrum and the need for a good right shoulder. Should be more rivetting than the unedited edition of War and Peace.
30 Jun 2008, 15:59 pm
#450 Sheriff:
agree. especially after it started to look as if the win as a mere formality!
aplon jou lekke’ ding!
30 Jun 2008, 15:59 pm
#568 church – like chch but pronounceable:
Also wait until the SA team is announced. Can either be a good one or poor.
Hope springs eternal!
30 Jun 2008, 15:59 pm
#564 Sheriff: Men with pointy hats and burning rugby poles will appear at his front door
30 Jun 2008, 16:00 pm
#562 church – like chch but pronounceable: Cough.
30 Jun 2008, 16:00 pm
#568 church – like chch but pronounceable:
lol, ja then this whole site will be doom and gloom for a bloody whole day!
30 Jun 2008, 16:01 pm
#564 Sheriff:
He will just say “judge me after the tri-nations”
30 Jun 2008, 16:01 pm
#569 Boots: i am loving it too.
even if we lose, i will cherish these moments of rabid uncertainty.
hell, when did you last hear guys like blackpanther talking about “weakest” and wishing for a return of the stars of yesteryear?
we need to PUNISH the AB’s NOW!!!!!!!
Cmon BOKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
30 Jun 2008, 16:02 pm
#553 crazy ******:
Trying to understand your comment?
Heineke won a S14 title.
PdV won what, some junior matches?
30 Jun 2008, 16:04 pm
#571 asha1:
Gee jou Appels!
Really could not enjoy the game as I wasl getting ready to “saag” AC
30 Jun 2008, 16:05 pm
#545 poppa69:
Read my comment on choking at 569.
The difference between this bok side and Eng 2003 is that most Eng guys called it a day after that or ran away like cowards. ie: Robinson, Dalaligo. Our guys have sacrificed huge contracts in the NH to come deal with some unfinnished bussiness.
30 Jun 2008, 16:05 pm
#573 pauld:
Talk about being caught between a rock and a hard place.
But from what I understand NZRU always had an “open door policy” ; coaches can leave whenever they want to…
30 Jun 2008, 16:06 pm
#578 OCO:
and jw won …. before he became bok coach?
30 Jun 2008, 16:06 pm
#580 Boots: ja, this 3n and the lions tour.
unfinished business. now if supersport can just find a catchy tune……..
30 Jun 2008, 16:06 pm
I hear there are many AB supporters going to support the Bokke, in protest of GH.
I will say thanks my nasal-accented friends
30 Jun 2008, 16:08 pm
#578 OCO: OCO, the reason you don’t understand my comment is probably because you can’t read.
Where in my comment am I knocking HM or comparing him with PdV?
30 Jun 2008, 16:09 pm
i really hope our kiwi friends arent typing long winded retorts aimed at putting us in our places.
short and sweet is how banter should be.
30 Jun 2008, 16:10 pm
#581 Sheriff: The open door policy is usually excercised after every RWC
30 Jun 2008, 16:10 pm
#580 Boots: appreciate your honesty…
but have your guys actually had a chance to gel and return to the team they were last year ??? 6 months is a long, long time in rugby……..that has to be a major worry going into this weekend…..
30 Jun 2008, 16:11 pm
#532 the peanut gallery:
I agree, 17% is a pathetic hit rate. But AB supporters realise that and thus the big uproar after last years world cup. So nobody is disputing that he AB’s should be better come WC time, but there’s no denying that out of WC they’re simply phenomonal
30 Jun 2008, 16:11 pm
#576 church – like chch but pronounceable:
Steven Hansen to coach Crusaders. Wayne Smith applying for an overseas job.
And these are recent developments.
30 Jun 2008, 16:11 pm
The difficult thing for NZ is, lose the 1st one, stand a very big chance to lose both. That would be something. The pressure, yes the pressure is already mounting.
30 Jun 2008, 16:12 pm
Yip. GH will be in a bad spot if they lose a game.
30 Jun 2008, 16:13 pm
Interesting to note is that the ABs has had what 5 losses
3 from SA which means that they win 17% of RWCs and SA inflict 66% of their losses
30 Jun 2008, 16:13 pm
#586 rangerman:
Agree Ranger. Less is more.
30 Jun 2008, 16:13 pm
#592 Keo: Rare insight Keo
30 Jun 2008, 16:13 pm
#591 shooter: mate , we havent been beaten at home for a while, we realise that eventually it will happen…just gives us something to throw back at all the choker labels that constantly get hurtled around……..
you know, you call my team chokers, I say, it hasnt been since last century that you won in our country …
30 Jun 2008, 16:14 pm
#589 Richie_7: no denying that.
30 Jun 2008, 16:14 pm
#593 JL1: Sorry meant to say 60%
So GH will be a trouble coach, losing the 3N and losing Hansen
30 Jun 2008, 16:14 pm
#553 crazy ******:
If you are taking the piss and really don’t understand that it is those basic fundamentals that are the difference between winning and losing, as well as the fact that we are very capable of stuffing up those very things I mention, then you got your nic right and the laugh is on you!!
30 Jun 2008, 16:15 pm
#587 JL1:
Under those sort of circumcisions® I would have exercised my right to walk
30 Jun 2008, 16:15 pm
#596 poppa69: I suggest we launch a barrage of verbal at the Kiwis. Keep them awake until 5 every morning this week. They’ll all be too knackered to attend the game and offer their support.
30 Jun 2008, 16:16 pm
#596 poppa69: You have not won a RWC in what 21 years
30 Jun 2008, 16:16 pm
#593 JL1: lets see, 87 won, 91 lost to Aus, 95 lost to SA (thats 1) , 99 lost to France, 03 lost to Aussie, 07 lost to France…
so how do you get 3 from only 1 ?????????? shows your knowledge doesnt it…thought you were talking rubbish, just proved it for me ……
30 Jun 2008, 16:16 pm
#592 Keo:
An AB loss to Aus in NZ would be best for the NZRU
30 Jun 2008, 16:17 pm
#594 Sheriff: hoya doin chief? must be feeling good after the nailbiter. a nailbiter it was!
the pressure is on both sides but i think it weighs heavier on the AB’s and GH. the Nz rugby public demand that the AB’s make up for their early exit at the wc.
but they are not the same team. they are minus their captain and their combos are mostly new.
its gonna be a great two weekends!
and if the boks win the first one, the confidence factor may see them saunter thru the second.
30 Jun 2008, 16:18 pm
#596 poppa69:
agree. it’s due to happen at some point!
we (sa supporters) have high hopes that it will be over the next two weekends!
30 Jun 2008, 16:18 pm
#602 JL1: last rugby world cup we won was a week ago (u20′s) so what drugs are you on ???? when was your last 3N’s ???? you know, when you actually get to win a tournament from playing real teams, not the likes of Fiji and Eng ….
30 Jun 2008, 16:19 pm
#601 pauld:
Ja goeie idee Dankan, hulle nie die game bywoon nie
30 Jun 2008, 16:19 pm
#604 church – like chch but pronounceable:
Ooohhhh, I bet half the supporters are hoping that happens so they cna say ‘Told you so”. Yeah, Deans bringing his Aussies to NZ is going tto be interesting
30 Jun 2008, 16:19 pm
To all my mates here who think I may be a bit ill today, for not mentioning the importance of scrumming against the All Blacks, I am just going with the flow.
After all maybe the new coaching team don’t think it is THAT important!!
30 Jun 2008, 16:19 pm
#607 poppa69: lol, you just showed how important a wc is to you mate, quoting the u20′s?
lovely.
30 Jun 2008, 16:20 pm
#603 poppa69: I am not referring to RWC I am referring to test matches over the last 40 or so played by the ABs
30 Jun 2008, 16:20 pm
#601 pauld:
Don’t trust Henry’s selections and too late to buy a ticket after the team is announced (and get airfares since won’t fly Air New Zealand because they suck).
30 Jun 2008, 16:21 pm
#607 poppa69: lol again, the strongest opposition you guys played was the team that ended 4th in wc07.
you lost.
we played the teams that ended 2nd and 3rd.
we won.
puff puff.
30 Jun 2008, 16:21 pm
Poppa69 588 we under no illusions brudda
ELV’s – NZ more experience
Coach -AB’s know GH, PdV new
GamePlan – NZ do what they do, we adopting new one.
Combinations – equal
Scrum – NZ win
Mid-Field – NZ
Wings – SA better if JPP arrives on day
FullB – even
Halves – NZ if Carter fires
Loose play – SA in rucks, NZ in counter attack
Lineouts – SA
Set- piece attack moves – NZ more settled it seems
History – NZ
Home Adv – NZ
Tactics – unknown, PdV
Count it up – NZ once again are favourites
30 Jun 2008, 16:22 pm
#603 poppa69: Its only the last RWC results that count until the next test match, we didn’t even have to play AB’s last time to whip them!
30 Jun 2008, 16:23 pm
#607 poppa69:
you can hardly blame us for your early exit!!
maybe you should look at the timing of your rest programme, gh not giving the same team enough time to play together (especially over that last year or so), aaron mauger not even in your 22 etc etc!
we did what we needed to do!
that’s more than you can claim!
30 Jun 2008, 16:24 pm
#604 church – like chch but pronounceable: Agreed. Henry should have retired hurt when he had the chance. The folks in charge of your Union made fools of themselves by letting Deans go to Aus.
30 Jun 2008, 16:24 pm
#605 rangerman:
No fine master.
Yeah he is really in an unenviable position right now. You have to feel for the bloke; who must he worry about the most: PdV or RD?
Photo finish if you ask me…
I noticed chch did not respond when I said ” we can sense it’s there…”
30 Jun 2008, 16:25 pm
#607 poppa69: poppa, no matter what happens, lets be mates ok?
30 Jun 2008, 16:25 pm
#612 JL1: Since Aug 2005 AB lost 6 games up to date
1 Against France
2 Agianst Aus
3 Aginst SA
30 Jun 2008, 16:25 pm
#609 Richie_7:
I don’t think it is about I told you so. Many people want the NZRU members changed. If Henry goes then some of them have to go.
Oh, and we would enjoy the increase in All Black integrity that the absence of GH would offer
30 Jun 2008, 16:25 pm
#610 tight head:
can we call that “the daily stab”?
30 Jun 2008, 16:25 pm
#617 asha1: Problem is the players were not resting. They were all out on the piss
30 Jun 2008, 16:26 pm
#599 tight head: Mate, I am taking the piss…but please don’t fool yourself into thinking that by stating the bleeding obvious like: “To win test match rugby, you must play test match rugby”, you’re actually displaying your knowledge of “basic (rugby) fundamentals”. Rather stick to your usual nonesense like: “To win a test match you must have a strong right shoulder”. At least then you can fool some people here into believing that (a) you have a valid opinion, and (b) you actually know what you’re talking about.
And stop taking yourself so seriously, you aren’t actually Heineke’s right hand man, and this is a blog, not a Blue Bulls team meeting
30 Jun 2008, 16:26 pm
#596 poppa69: what is your take on the next 2 weekends’ results? Not history or future. What do you think is going to happen? Forget about current rankings and previous representative world cups. Do you think the Boks will win one, none or both?
30 Jun 2008, 16:26 pm
#619 Sheriff: lol sheriff, i completely forgot about deans!
poor GH must be worried he is going to have less of a legacy than thabo mbeki!
30 Jun 2008, 16:27 pm
#611 rangerman: yeah see the point I was making, its irrelevant really isnt it ??? so we havent won a 6 week tournament in 20 odd years, big farkin deal……..
I would much rather the dominance we have had over your lot for the last 20 years …….oh but we had readmission and all that…..who cares …..look at the ledger 40-29 in our favour ……nothing else need be said !!!!
30 Jun 2008, 16:27 pm
#619 Sheriff: I am actually more concerned about what PDV will wear come Saturday. Hopefully not that horrendous Pink Tie again.
30 Jun 2008, 16:27 pm
#619 Sheriff: I am not convinced or sold on Deans either, need to wait and see
30 Jun 2008, 16:28 pm
#588 poppa69:
Beating NZ or winning big games is mostly a mindset combined with leaders and good players, most of the team are still from last year so know each other well enough and also have all the above mentioned qualities. So I believe that they have more chance now than ever of winning a series in NZ and more encouraging is that the current boks are an honest bunch and realise this oppertunity as well.
30 Jun 2008, 16:29 pm
#626 shooter: I think both games will be decided by 7 points or less, and that they can go either way, either 2-0 or 1 all…..I do not forsee a thrashing by either side….tight, uncomprimising rugby with no quarter given, how our 2 countries have always played….
30 Jun 2008, 16:30 pm
#615 zeitgeist:
How can you judge fullback without knowing if MacDonald will be selected?
30 Jun 2008, 16:30 pm
#628 poppa69: I remember just before the second world war the Germans won every war for 4 years at a trot. All everyone ever remebers is that they came second in the one that counted.
30 Jun 2008, 16:31 pm
#628 poppa69:
you’re lying
but enough of that!
i’ve made it clear quite a few times that i would not mind if the boks could
have the same consistency that the ab had over such a long period like the blacks had …
with one exeption
…
i dont think i’ll be able to take so many disappointments at so many wc like you guys did!
30 Jun 2008, 16:32 pm
#622 church – like chch but pronounceable: #607 poppa69: #609 Richie_7:
Not jumping to conclusions just trying to create a scenario.
Say the AB’s lose both tests to SA then beat the wallibies in NZ but lose to them in Oz and lose to SA in SA. In other words have a shocking season.
I assume Henry will get fired.
Do you guys think the NZRFU will go after Deans and will he take the job? If not who will be the next All Black coach
30 Jun 2008, 16:33 pm
#629 pauld:
i dont care …
if we win, i’ll buy myself one exactly like that!!
yeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaaa!!
30 Jun 2008, 16:33 pm
#627 rangerman:
Look the schoolmaster is no fool, but it was always going to be tough to get the nation’s support after that early exit
In some Kiwi hearts and minds it is just unforgivable
30 Jun 2008, 16:33 pm
#633 church – like chch but pronounceable: guessing – also do not know if it will be Jantjies or Monty
30 Jun 2008, 16:34 pm
#628 poppa69:
You …honestly … dont believe… that rubbish you … just wrote
30 Jun 2008, 16:34 pm
Man, there’s no denying the whole fitness/resting program as well as the selection for the France game was the downfall of the All Blacks. But come Saturday they’ll want to set the record straight and claim the #1 ranking again.
You cannot however take anything away from the South Africans at the world cup. Yes, it might have been an easier run compared to the other teams, but they won their games and ultimately the grand prize.
Makes Saturday all that more interesting
30 Jun 2008, 16:35 pm
True Blue Smit for Bok flyhalf!
30 Jun 2008, 16:35 pm
lol, tight head’s opinions are normally very good imo, am also a bit dissapointed there was no talk of the scrum.
30 Jun 2008, 16:35 pm
#639 zeitgeist: Or Steyn
30 Jun 2008, 16:36 pm
#625 crazy ******:
I have no intention of trying to have a rugby discussion with you.
I also have no intention of trying to fool anybody that I have a valid opinion or know what I am talking about.
If you don’t like what I have to say, it does not matter to me.
And what is all this Blue Bull, Heineke stuff about?
30 Jun 2008, 16:36 pm
#629 pauld:
Mate he can wear whatever he wants as long as we take the game.
Nothing like shaking the hands of the losing team after a tough game.
Al staan hy ook kaal bolyf daar – wont be offended…
30 Jun 2008, 16:36 pm
#634 FrenklyMuDeah: yeah and why was that ??? cause the poms had to get the Kiwis and Aussies to win it for them, just like the English are trying to do with their Rugby team at the moment ….
30 Jun 2008, 16:36 pm
#640 Sheriff:
lol
30 Jun 2008, 16:36 pm
#634 FrenklyMuDeah:
how old are you?
30 Jun 2008, 16:37 pm
ok i am out.
have a cracker!
go bokke!!! (a quiet one to start).
30 Jun 2008, 16:37 pm
Ok guys,
Been good. Hope the Boks win on the weekend either way its going to be a hum dinger.
Outa here
30 Jun 2008, 16:38 pm
#641 Richie_7: indeed, sensible post
30 Jun 2008, 16:38 pm
WP, jou lekka ding!
Sien al die cape flats manne sit met die plakaat, is WP n hoer?
30 Jun 2008, 16:38 pm
A few things that we can hopefully all agree on:
- NZ would love to have SA’s WC record
- SA would love to have NZ’s non-WC record
- We are in for a very hectic, tough and exciting 3N
30 Jun 2008, 16:38 pm
#632 poppa69: That’s probably just about right (in the middle). Still, the % it takes to really seal the game, is where the in strength in balance lies. Which traditionally the All Blacks were able to do, which is consistently why it’s harder to stay on top, instead of reaching the top. But it may also be a psychological barrier that you never wish to relinquish, be it that you may not soon attain the same period of ascendancy. in that case, our WC’s will stand us in good stead once we are really on 50/50 with you again.
30 Jun 2008, 16:38 pm
#561 rangerman:
You are nothing but an opportunist. The point was made as to WHY this AB is not as strong as previous 10yrs. Whereas Hayman, McAlister are only unavail due to the NZRU selection policy, the SA team can select from players around the Globe. To make an analogy with Gerber and Du Plessis is a little embarrassing but if thats how you wish to make your point, be my guest.
30 Jun 2008, 16:39 pm
#630 JL1:
Disagree. Track record is there.
Understand the following positions better than most: 3; 10; 12; 14 and 15.
Consistently nurtured young talent to their full potential. You’ll see a difference in the Aussies soon enough.
30 Jun 2008, 16:39 pm
#640 Sheriff: really ? I have been around longer than the world cup, yes I remember the days of touring sides and midweek games and 3 test series, do you ??? ……..then you get the Mickey mouse concoction of a 6 week tounament that gives a team a title for four years and everyone thinks that makes a great team………..
30 Jun 2008, 16:40 pm
#650 rangerman: #651 Boots: cheers, look 4ward to more of the same til saturday, right!!!
30 Jun 2008, 16:41 pm
#642 Valkman:
In daai geval, valk jou …
30 Jun 2008, 16:41 pm
#569 Boots:
Its a sad state of affairs when you declare victories off the field. You can make all the ‘choker’ jokes you like but your building your own gallows.
30 Jun 2008, 16:41 pm
#654 siener:
yes and also:
SA are no 1 while NZ are no 2.
30 Jun 2008, 16:42 pm
#650 rangerman:
Cheers Ranger!
30 Jun 2008, 16:42 pm
#645 tight head: Dude, relax –
.
I’m just pulling your leg with the Blue Bulls/ Heineke stuff (I don’t actually know which team you support).
I’d actually like to have a rugby discussion with you…what would you like to talk about?
I feel like a shrink!!! LoL!
30 Jun 2008, 16:44 pm
#658 poppa69:
Poppa, are you 69 years old?
Memory not so good, but 2 years stand out: 1995 and 2007
30 Jun 2008, 16:44 pm
#660 Sheriff:
Waar’s daai kommin Brakpan bliksem grootblousmile, is hy nog steeds besig om poep te ruik? Ek sal met my Renault oor hom reverse!
30 Jun 2008, 16:44 pm
the last time i remember the kiwis talking such a good game off the field was in 98, just before our win.
30 Jun 2008, 16:44 pm
#664 crazy ******:
Straight outta Benoni?
My valley?
30 Jun 2008, 16:45 pm
#662 cab: thanks to double bonus ranking points for beating Fiji, Argentina and England, 3 super power teams in world rugby ….
30 Jun 2008, 16:45 pm
#649 st.a.t.w: lets put it this way, if you were Afrikaans you’d probably call m “Oom”. on the other hand judging by the question you have no etiquette so probably no heritage and are may come from what was until recently a penal colony.
30 Jun 2008, 16:46 pm
#642 Valkman:
Ek gaan vir katman kry om jou uit te sort, ek sê
30 Jun 2008, 16:46 pm
#665 Sheriff: yes, just like 49 nil and the AB’s scoring 50 against your side in 2003….remember ???????????
30 Jun 2008, 16:47 pm
#666 Valkman: Nee , hy het vandag n nuwe stel mags gaan koop vir sy Datsun SSS om met jou te kompeteer daar buite die Park Hotel
30 Jun 2008, 16:47 pm
#656 BlackPanther: tenuous argument. Desperate defence! Are you are trying to cushion the possible fall with a few strategically placed pillows? Rather let the best team win. I would love for Mccaw to be playing eg, I do not want SA to be open to the excuses made if we win when he does not play.
30 Jun 2008, 16:47 pm
#666 Valkman:
Nee, nee net nie dit nie! Ons het iets van als nodig – selfs poepers
30 Jun 2008, 16:48 pm
#669 poppa69:
well if u were there, i am sure we would have beaten you too, but u buggers went and upset it all by losing to the french who got beaten twice by the argies, who we decimated systematically…not one for building up the Boks, but beware of the RWC side, now we just need them to be selected, fit and ready.
30 Jun 2008, 16:48 pm
#672 poppa69: Some things we don’t
30 Jun 2008, 16:49 pm
#668 Valkman: Ha! Not quite Valkman! I’m a soutie…
30 Jun 2008, 16:49 pm
#674 zeitgeist: as stated previously, I for one will not be making excuses if SA win, one can only hope that if the shoe is on the other foot, no SA is going to offer excuses ??????
30 Jun 2008, 16:49 pm
#661 BlackPanther:
Howzit, Swartkat!
30 Jun 2008, 16:49 pm
#636 Boots:
Gatland
30 Jun 2008, 16:49 pm
#669 poppa69: you really know how to whine
30 Jun 2008, 16:50 pm
#672 poppa69:
I cannot remember those events. Told ya the memory is not so good.
30 Jun 2008, 16:51 pm
#661 BlackPanther:
Eet jy miskien peanut butter?
30 Jun 2008, 16:51 pm
#676 cab: how can you systematically state that you would have beaten us last year (07) ??? you cant, we will never know, and loving the fact that you guys continue to bleat on about a team that was great 6 months ago, but what have they shown in their 3 tests this year ???? really, please answer honestly ?????
30 Jun 2008, 16:52 pm
#684 Valkman: Jy moet Brits praat. Die man kan jou nie verstaan nie
30 Jun 2008, 16:52 pm
#669 poppa69: Argentina and England finished above your team of world-beating superstars. Your team had no stomach for the big occasion, proven over 21 years. Now take out your spine and paint yourself yellow.
30 Jun 2008, 16:52 pm
#682 zeitgeist: but always with an element of truth …or do you disagree ???…
30 Jun 2008, 16:53 pm
#657 Sheriff: Many a coaches had a great track record, you can only do and work with what you got, Deans will only get results in 3 years I say
Eddie Jones was prime example with the Reds
30 Jun 2008, 16:53 pm
#679 poppa69: no excuses from me – as stated I respect the AB’s a tremedous amount ergo if we lose to the better team it will not come with complaint.
30 Jun 2008, 16:54 pm
#685 poppa69: Our experimental team has scored over a hundred points and conceded about 30.
30 Jun 2008, 16:54 pm
#687 sondebok: yeah, that same team of superstars your guys havent beaten since last century in our homeland, hell we do it every year to you…so come back when you have something to back up your weak remarks….
30 Jun 2008, 16:55 pm
#686 pauld:
Hoe praat hulle op Brits?
30 Jun 2008, 16:55 pm
#685 poppa69:
there are facts and then opinions, but lets just say that imo it is a fact that the bok team that played in the RWC under that coach would have beaten the ABs in france and indeed on neutral soil.
30 Jun 2008, 16:55 pm
#692 poppa69: how about at RWC 2011. Will that work for you ?
30 Jun 2008, 16:56 pm
#693 Valkman: Met baie moeite ou pel. Brits is maar n snaakse plek.
30 Jun 2008, 16:56 pm
#689 JL1:
Yeah. The one thing that I’m secretly hoping for is that Deans will need more time.
Remember he knows the key players in NZ set up very well.
30 Jun 2008, 16:57 pm
Perforated pistons, but you okes are going on here, hey! Watch out you don’t blow a gasket, you chinas are like starting the second SA-NZ war here.
30 Jun 2008, 16:57 pm
#691 sondebok: exactly, so while your experimental team has been “on fire” , your no.1 side have been doing what exactly ?? playing hard test match rugby to ready themselves ?? or have they had a similar buildup to the AB’s in every world cup pool they have been in ???
all Im saying is, though they are the world champs, they havent had a lot of time this year to get back into the swing of things yeah ?? some havent played for a month or two, and anyone who has played serious rugby knows there is nothing like match time right ???
30 Jun 2008, 16:57 pm
Valkman vat 700!
30 Jun 2008, 16:59 pm
#698 Valkman: Don’t think our Navy could reach their shores. Or our AIR-FARCE for that matter. Hey Comrade Dube , this is the shotest runway I have evah lended on. Yes Comrade Sipho , but a most definitely the Widest
30 Jun 2008, 16:59 pm
#688 poppa69: yes an element of truth, and seeing there are 103 on the extended periodic table, that gives you just less then 1 % of possible truth to your statement. Fact.
30 Jun 2008, 16:59 pm
the boks might go down early on, but they will stick to the task and come out trumps with the great AB coach being given an unfair send-off by the kiwi faithful, i saw it written in my toilet bowl entrails.
30 Jun 2008, 16:59 pm
#700 Valkman:
Jy moet teen die tyd al tril-ogie wees van al die geblog?
30 Jun 2008, 17:00 pm
#694 cab: thats your opinion , and your entitled to it…just wonder how you can make that judgement…didnt that same team lost the first game to the AB’s that year in the 3N’s?? and that was practically the same side ???? …before you became like the Eng and French and devalued test rugby by sending weaker teams ?????
30 Jun 2008, 17:01 pm
Wel, moer my met ‘n impact socket, dit het gewerk!
30 Jun 2008, 17:02 pm
#674 zeitgeist:
Firstly, when it comes to making excuses we gladly acknowledge that Sth Africa have won every World Championship home and away since eternity. For every Suzi there has been a refereeing-conspiracy x 10.
Like it or not, this SA team has not 1 excuse available pre-Test. All your best players available. Great preparation. An accepted coach unhindered by that other great excuse, ‘transformation’.
Secondly, know a trap when you see one ! The Kiwis know this AB team is eminently beatable. But they also know theyre still good enough to do the business. So what theyre doing is beating you with your own stick. All this incessant ‘choker’ banter only ramps up the pressure on SA because it infers that the Boks do not have similar psychological flaws. All the talk of SA winning a ‘Mickey Mouse RWC’ because they didnt face Aus/NZ/Fr would only be proven right if they cant beat a team who are a seriously-depleted version of the choker-ABs.
So you want respect ? We know they can talk’the’talk. Lets see you walk.
In the hearts and minds of NZers, they go in to this Test with very little pressure. If the Bokke lose, after all the banter that has gone before it, well they will laughed at all the way to Dunedin. And watch the banter get bitter.
30 Jun 2008, 17:03 pm
#692 poppa69: Instead of whining about our record in New Zealand over the last decade, we acknowledge that there is no tougher assignment in world rugby, face up to the challenge and do our best to put it right. We came close a few times, (closer than you ever came to winning the WC except maybe for 1995) and justifiably feel confident that now is the time to get the ****** off our backs. The All Blacks can feel very proud of their home record, just as we are very proud of winning 2 world cups. We took everything that was thrown our way and came out on top. Trust me, nothing would have made us happier than to win the World Cup by beating the All Blacks, on this occasion though your team wasn`t up to the task. That`s how it goes, man. Stop being so bitter about it.
30 Jun 2008, 17:04 pm
‘night children!
i’m outta here!
30 Jun 2008, 17:05 pm
#705 poppa69: shame poppa69 you really scraping now. I admire you. BlackP has deserted you. You the only AB flying the colours here. And even though your facts are hopelessly wrong, you persist. I admire that!
Tell me where can I go to take on some NZ supporters? What is the best NZ rugby posting spot? Anybody?
30 Jun 2008, 17:05 pm
#705 poppa69:
yes, it was unfortunate that SA rested players on the tour down-under but there was a RWC a few weeks away, rather than adopting the kiwi and oz approach in performing squad rotation and resting players over the intervening years, White chose a different tactic in knowing his best and resting them for those weeks prior to the RWC, in hindsight he was proved spot on as were most of his other decisions. many others are still left scratching their heads.
30 Jun 2008, 17:06 pm
#699 poppa69: Our key players have played non stop since the world cup. players can get overexposed and jaded, just as henry`s rotation policy left your players undercooked going into the WC.
30 Jun 2008, 17:08 pm
#698 Valkman:
tune my grof ek skaaf jou glad
30 Jun 2008, 17:09 pm
#705 poppa69: cheers poppa, i`m afraid it`s beer o clock for me. you make some valid points but your emotion skews the delivery somewhat. let`s see what happens on saturday shall we?
30 Jun 2008, 17:09 pm
#713 Fern:
30 Jun 2008, 17:11 pm
#709 asha1:
Take care asha
30 Jun 2008, 17:12 pm
#711 cab:
I like the way you have made Whites sheer cowardice instead in to a moment of coaching genius. Fact is he didnt select a full squad because he was worried about the psychological damage another defeat would do prior to the RWC.
Who says the ABs have a monoploy on choking ? The squad sent to NZ in 2007 was about 2 rungs below choking, it showed the spine of a jellyfish.
30 Jun 2008, 17:13 pm
#707 BlackPanther:
“Like it or not, this SA team has not 1 excuse available pre-Test. All your best players available. Great preparation. An accepted coach unhindered by that other great excuse, ‘transformation’.” slow your row bro – read my post 615 before you say that. No excuses, but facts.
further “The Kiwis know this AB team is eminently beatable. But they also know theyre still good enough to do the business. So what theyre doing is beating you with your own stick.” Your logic is non-sequeter, talking to someone about this might be a good idea.
Unfortunately you may be right, the banter may get bitter – but I hope not, for both sides.
#706 Valkman: Hehehe, welgedaan boet
30 Jun 2008, 17:14 pm
#714 sondebok: have one for me ……. good luck for this weekend, no matter the result I am looking forward to 2 titanic games, of which whoever wins will deserve it……
30 Jun 2008, 17:15 pm
#708 sondebok: lovely post
30 Jun 2008, 17:16 pm
Right I am going to the pub. This discussion is the equivalent of a one armed rowing a dinghy
30 Jun 2008, 17:17 pm
#717 BlackPanther:
so do I, but of course where did he learn about resting players from, well look no further than Henry whp pulled 20 players out of the S14. another defeat would have mattered little, since JW had already beaten the ABs 3 times, he knew the boks could do it, what he did not want was to see Schalk Burger, Juan Smith, FdP or Victor Matfield injured.
i said nothing about choking, but if the cap fits.
30 Jun 2008, 17:17 pm
#717 BlackPanther: The secret to success is to choose your battles wisely. Pre WC games 2007 weren’t that important
30 Jun 2008, 17:18 pm
#721 pauld:
Cheers pauld!
30 Jun 2008, 17:18 pm
#719 poppa69: Gr8, beneath the banter, I think we all are. Both teams have a lot to lose, both teams have everything to prove by winning, IMHO
30 Jun 2008, 17:19 pm
#664 crazy ******:
No problem Crazy!!
Gotta run now.
Catch up some other time.
30 Jun 2008, 17:20 pm
cheers pauld – you may find pub discussions do the same though!
30 Jun 2008, 17:22 pm
#723 FrenklyMuDeah:
true, sounds like something out of sun tzu.
man who pick battle wisely go on win war.
i believe the boks will win cos they have more spririt when it comes down to it.
we shall see on saturday what happens.
over&out.
30 Jun 2008, 17:23 pm
#725 zeitgeist: yes, and heaven help the supporters of the losing side lol….. wont the banter be even more interesting next week lmao…
30 Jun 2008, 17:23 pm
Home brew time
30 Jun 2008, 17:24 pm
#728 cab: dont be discounting the kiwis spirit……it could come back to bite you …
30 Jun 2008, 17:25 pm
#731 poppa69:
no no, SA as the underdog will never ever surrender, i think the boks bite is worse than their bok, beware…have the tissues ready.
30 Jun 2008, 17:28 pm
#732 cab: underdogs ??? hows that , we have just gone full circle….WChamps, No.1 Ranked side…… cmon, the AB’s for the first time in a long time should not be favourites ?? how can they be ??? someone justify it sensibly please ….
30 Jun 2008, 17:30 pm
#733 poppa69:
i agree with you its crazy, but the bookies have told us SA dont have a hope in hell, that sort of disrespect will fire the boys up to end…disgraceful.
30 Jun 2008, 17:33 pm
#733 poppa69:
If you are a random sample of the average Kiwi right now, then the anxiety levels are considerably higher than what I can appreciate right now
30 Jun 2008, 17:34 pm
#735 Sheriff: Im not average Sheriff, Im unique lol….no higher than they are before a WC quaterfinal with an Englishman as a ref lol
30 Jun 2008, 17:38 pm
#735 Sheriff:
Go Sheriff and his stats – random sample
How are the crime stats Sheriff? Must be well down now that McCaw’s in jail!
30 Jun 2008, 17:41 pm
#737 Dust/Fume:
Actually, most of them werent crime per se. More line traffic infringements, like wrong side of the centre (read offside) line …
30 Jun 2008, 17:42 pm
#736 poppa69:
Never blame another for your misfortune.
By doing so, you are reconfirming that party’s superiority to you.
Take ownership. Do what the “iwi” did with those forests over there..
30 Jun 2008, 17:42 pm
#738 Dust/Fume:
Actually, most of them werent crime per se. More LIKE traffic infringements, like wrong side of the centre (read offside) line …
30 Jun 2008, 17:44 pm
#737 Dust/Fume:
Yeah, the unthinkable happened, every Kiwi’s nightmare – McCaw getting injured before, wait for it, 2 tests against the Boks.
No doubt it will have an adverse impact on inflation targeting …
30 Jun 2008, 17:45 pm
This one’s for OCO:
“Chess is game played according to rules. Can you chest at chess?”
(Philosophy III paper at Oxford)
30 Jun 2008, 17:47 pm
And this one’s for Richie, poppa69
“Rugby is a game played according to rules. Can you chest at rugby?”
30 Jun 2008, 17:48 pm
SORRY
“Rugby is a game played according to rules. Can you cheat at rugby?”
30 Jun 2008, 17:49 pm
#620 rangerman: sorry Rangerman, just noticed this post….and yes regardless of the result , I agree….
30 Jun 2008, 17:52 pm
#745 poppa69:
poppa69 I asked you that specifically, because it seems not to matter to you whether the 6 is offside or the 9 is onside
(You do know that McCaw would be a ’6′ in South Africa?)
30 Jun 2008, 17:52 pm
Sheriff’®s alternative 7 steps to glory:
1. Take no sh*t
2. Tackle them to pieces
3. Scrum them to pieces
4. Run hard into space
5. Finish off every half a chance
6. Secure you’re own lineout ball and steal plenty of theirs
7. Above all, win…yes win at all cost
30 Jun 2008, 17:53 pm
Lets just smack these chokers good..stuff all this mental sh*t
30 Jun 2008, 17:53 pm
#739 Sheriff: oh that wasnt laying the blame , believe me you will know when I am blaming someone….my point was I am always nervous when we play the bokke….. isnt it normal when you face your greatest foe ??
30 Jun 2008, 17:53 pm
Later mates, well maybe then …
30 Jun 2008, 17:55 pm
#746 Dust/Fume: yes I realise that a 6 in SA is actually a 7 (not a 9 like you stated)….and please, we all know that every flanker breaks the law in every game, some are just more adept and adroight at it …….its not cheating if you get away with it is it ????hell look at the French, they were able to get away with it for 50 minutes in one game…..
30 Jun 2008, 18:12 pm
#751 poppa69:
Are you whinging about 1820 again?
And its adroit
30 Jun 2008, 18:14 pm
#751 poppa69:
69
cross the line
hope the ref
doesnt whine
30 Jun 2008, 18:15 pm
hope the ref
doesnt blow
cos the game’s
gotta flow
30 Jun 2008, 18:17 pm
It’s pretty harsh on this All Blacks team to call them the worst since 1998. How exactly have they proven that? And even if it’s true, South Africa and Australia sure as hell aren’t as good as they were in 1998.
If the past few weeks have shown anything it’s that the Wallabies coaching job is a hell of a lot harder than Deans may have expected, while Henry remains an underrated coach.
30 Jun 2008, 18:32 pm
#752 Dust/Fume: no, please enlighten me, what happened in 1820 ??? really , thats how you spell adroit is it, thanks teach……….
or are you implying that McCaw cheats, but no SA loosie does ??? you must be Big Hits love child , are you ???
30 Jun 2008, 18:56 pm
#756 poppa69:
Hey Poppa69
18-20 was the scoreline on 7 Oct ’7 was it not?
I am convinced +++ that McCaw is the best cleverest most adroit cheater around
Just like Sean FitzPatrick was, except he did a hell of a lot of sledging too
30 Jun 2008, 18:58 pm
Well mr Henning Gericke – I just copleted a conference call with Deepak Chopra and the Dalai Lama and they feel that you are wrong. Te steps to glory for the boks are:
1. Play frans steyn at 15
2. Send Luke Watson home
3. Make very sure that Luke “The Gnome” Watson is on the first airy home
4. Play ricky at scrummie and pienaar on the bench not Bolla “Baby Gnome” conradie
5. Play Frans Steyn at 15
6. Let the team sit down with crossed legs meditating and humming the theme song to snow white and the seven dwarfs, then let the players know, that while they are seated, they are still taller than Luke
7.Play Frans Steyn at 15
30 Jun 2008, 19:08 pm
#732 cab: lol!
30 Jun 2008, 19:13 pm
#757 Dust/Fume: yeah it was , but tell me, was it your team that beat them last year ??? no thats right, you lost all 3 games didnt you ???
30 Jun 2008, 19:16 pm
#757 Dust/Fume: you sound like Big Hit, taking pleasure in my side losing when it wasnt even your side that beat them ??? why is that ?? worried ??
30 Jun 2008, 19:24 pm
#761 poppa69: nothing quite as soothing as letting Big Hit loose on a NZ thread – he knows just what poaching buttons to press!!!
30 Jun 2008, 19:26 pm
#762 zeitgeist: no he cant do that anymore…isnt England poaching kiwis now ??
30 Jun 2008, 19:30 pm
#761 poppa69:
Always worried
The ABs are a great team
30 Jun 2008, 19:35 pm
#747 Sheriff: aye
30 Jun 2008, 19:50 pm
All a sudden everyone is rallying round like there’s no tomorrow, AB’s on the rack, Boks are the champs and gonna whip their asses.
I don’t reckon its anywhere near to that, neither side really knows what to expect from the other, huge amount of tentative soul searching going on in both camps, its basically going to be about who has the bigger belief.
Tell you what if it was Aus we were facing on Saturday I’d be more worried, if we can hit these guys early and then not let up for the full duration we can perhaps do it, if it starts the other way round then I don’t know if we’ll have enough in the psychology tank to turn it back around.
See what they made of Saturday, both sides.
30 Jun 2008, 19:55 pm
“You will never get a bad All Black team. At their worse they will still be the best in world,” said South Africa coach Peter de Villiers.
30 Jun 2008, 19:56 pm
this is from rugby365…Despite winning the Web Ellis trophy in France last year, De Villiers said his team first has to overcome the challenge of a series win in New Zealand before thy will be able to lay claim to the title as ‘world champions’.
What a load of ****. This is exactly what i’ve mentioned before this about Peter de Villers inability to cope in the media.
We won the world cup, We are ranked number 1 in the world, We are the the world champions!
And if i was John Smit, that is exactly what i would tell the team because thy better believe it cause they are good enough!
30 Jun 2008, 19:59 pm
Ja Seven – respect is one thing, an inferiority complex is another…
Lets give PdV the benefir of the doubt – mind-games?
30 Jun 2008, 20:01 pm
#768 Seven:
Well I happen to agree with him, lucky packet wins don’t = World Champions, World cup winners, maybe, but world champions only if you successfully defeat your challengers consistently, just like in boxing, you only the champ as long as you don’t lose the next bout, klaar, else your big head is exactly that, a big head based on some historical fluke.
30 Jun 2008, 20:01 pm
If Jacobs is picked at 13 on Saturday, he is going to get targeted worse than Montgomery got under the high ball back in the day.
The kiwi backline will swing it wide every chance they get and keep the ball live and loose.
play ricki, butch, frans, and jean….its not about that jean has been the form inside this year, he is a great player…and having butch inside and jean outside frans steyn has the potential to be a devastingly lethal combination.
Percy also to come back into the side, with JP for Ndgugane, and Jantjies prviding cover for Percy and Jp
30 Jun 2008, 20:05 pm
You going to rest on that measly little cake walk laurel for the next 4 years then you simply are not worthy to be called world champion, only world champions are those that are consistently that, not fly by night fair weather blue moon champs, win in NZ, then you can call yourself a World Champion.
30 Jun 2008, 20:05 pm
#770 skopskiet:it’s entirley a point of view on the matter…
Saturday is the real test because we haven’t played the, never mind mentioning beating them in NZ for ages….but at the moment we are number 1. we havent lost 13 bouts if i’m correct.
If that was a Boxer, i think after winning 13 consecutive fights….he could be a world champion…never mid suffering from possible brain damage
30 Jun 2008, 20:06 pm
think Jacobs will be picked however.. Hope JP makes it though, and plays properly.
30 Jun 2008, 20:08 pm
#772 skopskiet: the point i was trying to make is, there is no need to say a comment like that, except that Saturday is the biggest test match of the year.
Respect the All Blacks and respect yourself, you are what you are, and you are what you believe…if we aren’t world champions who is then?
And i believe entirely that the time for talking is voer and they have to perform on Saturday, because a win is what is expected
30 Jun 2008, 20:08 pm
We will see an All Black team on Saturday that is as good as ever.
That is for sure.
We have 2 things going in our favour:
1 John Smit
2 The seasoned, hard, experienced players
We just have to hope these players are selected, and that John Smit can convince the coaching team to not try anything risky in our game plan.
30 Jun 2008, 20:09 pm
#769 zeitgeist:
Who’s talking inferiority complexes, sending 2nd string whipping boys down there knowing you going to get thumped, thats what I call inferiority complexes, as long as they go on the field to win and not capitulate like they did on July 15th 2006 – whether they win or lose, long as they go in to fight it out, then there’s no inferiority complex to my way of seeing things.
30 Jun 2008, 20:09 pm
Ja we are World Champions for the next 4 years. The way it goes, like it or not, that’s a fact.
We may not be no 1 (however we are now) in world for 4 years.
The test on saturday is important, but nothing will take the RWC achievement away.
30 Jun 2008, 20:12 pm
#774 zeitgeist: if that is true i think it has to be because of the so stated emotional loyalty to a player, i think it is a weak decision and as much as a like Adi i think he will be exposed.
And mind games possibly, but playing mind games it’s an art. And its about not getting involved in situations…
30 Jun 2008, 20:14 pm
PdV will soon show us all whether he is out of his depth – as everyone with half a brain can see, his inconsistent media ramblings make him look a little dumbstruck. The fact that he had to be begged to play Butch beggars belief.
I am supporting him and Bokke 100%, he has a 100% winning record and I will give him the benefit of the doubt all the way.
Go Bokke!
30 Jun 2008, 20:15 pm
#778 zeitgeist: well said
30 Jun 2008, 20:17 pm
I also hope Steyn is centre, but I heard PdV was going to keep him at half back, not move him all over..
30 Jun 2008, 20:17 pm
Put a ceiling on it if thats how you prefer to call it, its just one competition amongst many, happens to come around every 4 years, like all the other perennial competitions, put a feather in your cap and crow about it for the next 4 years if thats what keeps you happy, I’d much rather be beating NZ and Aus year in and year out than fluke through England, Argentina, Fiji and Tonga once every 4 years and believe I’m the World Champ.
30 Jun 2008, 20:23 pm
#783 skopskiet: You are a ******, it wasn’t a fluke, we were the best team there and did everything that was demanded of us. For crying out loud….england beat a pathetic australian pack, and the french seized the oppurtunity and the all blacks obliged in not taking the pudding when it was there albeit a **** ref decision.
You sound like your trying to hate the boks…
30 Jun 2008, 20:25 pm
ouch Skop! Fluke? I suppose you did not even watch the final, you were so disgusted the dirty JW infected Boks even managed to dastardly claw their victories? No wait, I remember reading a mumbled congrats from you the next day!
We all want to beat NZ – idiot! No matter what happens the glorious JW ghost will haunt your every utterance. As long as you see the joke is on you, we can all have a laugh.
If we win on Sat, it will be because JW was not coach. If we lose it will be because he ruined the players with his defensive mindset. You’ve got all your bases covered, no need to be honest.
30 Jun 2008, 20:25 pm
Writing Jacobs off as a weak link with very little substantial evidence to prove it, yet it was Steyn who coughed up the Durban test under pressure, and some others, like the S14 final. Jacobs is probably one of our best attack line runners with far better judgment and read of situations than Steyn, and better hands, and possibly a far quicker mind too, everyone tells me he’s such a liability on defense, well I haven’t seen it with my own eyes yet, first witness the guy f’ng up before you ready to send him to the chopping block.
30 Jun 2008, 20:25 pm
but i agree, i want more than anything to beat new zealand and autralia year in and year out…
The trinations, the lions series, the longest unbeaten record that shoudl already be ours.
30 Jun 2008, 20:28 pm
skopskiet, very little substantial evidence….i haven’t missed a sharks game in 5 years. By the way, i never said Jacobs was abad player, i said he would be exploited and attacked as the weak link.
I think he might provide somthing off the bench where has achieved the most at the sharks…whenever he has started he has been adequate without being outstanding on the majoirty of occassions.
30 Jun 2008, 20:29 pm
The hardest ask for any rugby team in the world is to go to New Zealand and win a test series there.
There is nothing more difficult.
That is why you need the best players you have, and the best preparation you can get before the first test.
You also need a strategic game plan that is perfect for your players.
30 Jun 2008, 20:30 pm
I like Adi too, but he does fall off tackles, if you watched the Wales tests closely. It may be me, but Steyn is pretty solid defensively.
On attack Adi has not shown a lot so far, but has created some nice tries, or helped. He is very small. I mean check kahui, or Nonu against him – they will knock him down, I fear.
30 Jun 2008, 20:32 pm
#789 tight head: and you have to play your best team. the players with experience combined with the talent and passion of youth. the players that have done it before and will not doub themselves in theface of a difficulty situation.
i tell you what, you can beat yourself before you even begin the game
30 Jun 2008, 20:33 pm
This is the real McCoy, the tri nations, where its consistency that wins and the real champion can walk tall, not lose 49-0 one day then come back and win a favorable draw and take the thing by 5 penalties to 2.
The WC is like the FA cup, some 2nd division teams like Barnsley FC sometime beat the Liverpools of the world on occasion but only once in a blue moon. But you won’t find Barnsley winning the premier league.
Same as the 3N, win it consistently, and beat NH competitors home and away consistently, then you are worthy champions.
30 Jun 2008, 20:35 pm
tighthead your points:
1. We may well have the best players available on the park (even though Bj out, CJ, Smit, Steenkamp present a FORMIDDABLE front row)
2. We have NO preperation – no settled combos, no ELV experience for Mattfield,Smit,Monty. But I still feel there is enough experience in the team to do the businness.
3. Game plan. This is the rub for me. If PdV gets this alchemy right, we know the players can do it.
30 Jun 2008, 20:37 pm
#790 zeitgeist: i loved the try he set up for janttjies in the first test…pretty much told him exactly what angle and when to run…
I think Frans Steyn is very solid on defence and very physical and puts in our classsic big hits and can certainly dominate the tackle point as well as clean out…and can be looked after nicely for evryones fears. However i dont think he needs babysitting and must be unleashed to become the force the can potentially come in world rugby. He doesn’t doubt himself…100kg, quick, excellent boot, superb attacking and counter attacking vision…i don’t understand why you wouldn’t have him in your team
30 Jun 2008, 20:37 pm
#791 Seven:
Exactly Seven.
Here are my “seven steps to glory”
Smit, Victor, Bakkies, Schalk, Juan, Butch and Percy.
30 Jun 2008, 20:40 pm
Skop the Tri is also important. Ask NZ if they would want a RWC victory? Do you know that there are many NZ people going to support the bokke on sat. You know why? Because the y support the best team! And they are protesting that GH stupidly ran the RWC campaign.
30 Jun 2008, 20:41 pm
#792 skopskiet: mmmm **** **** **** analogy….**** **** ****
i do agree that you need beat every team home and away, but you never answered my questions…if we arent world champions, who are?
and dont give me a cop out that the title is vacant
30 Jun 2008, 20:42 pm
#793 zeitgeist:
Yes, Zeit.
2 unknowns are which run on team will be selected, and will he not try something stupid in the game plan.
My seven key players are above, but you have to play Steyn and you cannot play Watson.
30 Jun 2008, 20:43 pm
#795 tight head:
Well out of that 7 it was only Bakkies, Schalk and Butch that weren’t present at the 49-0 song in the park, – captain Smit, Victor, Juan, Percy, Habana, FdP, January, Fourie, CJ, Os, Danie, Joe all were,
So you telling me 3 out of 12 makes all the difference?
30 Jun 2008, 20:44 pm
#795 tight head: lol ingeniuous
30 Jun 2008, 20:45 pm
#796 zeitgeist: Sorry that post was rambling.
This is a huge game. A momentous occassion. I am looking forward to it with great enthusiasm
30 Jun 2008, 20:47 pm
#799 skopskiet:
Skoppie what I am telling you is to move on.
Things change, players change, coaches change and so and so on.
Stop living in the past.
Experience is everything in test rugby.
These are your “go to” experienced players.
Do you think any of the seven I mentioned should not be in the starting line up on Saturday?
30 Jun 2008, 20:49 pm
Oh ja and superman Spies was running around that day too, though JdV was not – so what is it, you tell me, that turns a 0-49 team into a 15-6 one?
30 Jun 2008, 20:53 pm
I have no doubt Watson will at best be benched (please do not let this come back to bite me!) tighthead.
Steyn will be there, mark my words. (my neck out any further I will snap both arterial ligaments!
30 Jun 2008, 20:54 pm
#800 Seven: well done, the 800 milestone!
30 Jun 2008, 20:55 pm
#804 zeitgeist:
Well Zeit, I hope you are right mate, because those are the kind of selections that will make all the difference.
30 Jun 2008, 20:55 pm
#802 tight head:
And thats exactly what I’m trying to tell you lot to do, most are stuck on the lucky dip WC hallowed victory, against Argentina and England, its old f’ng hat, and far as I’m concerned hardly worth the hullabaloo that goes with it,
Rather concern yourselves with beating NZ, just as seven here seems to derogatorily consider PdV is off the mark, I’m saying he is exactly spot on.
Beat NZ in NZ, then call yourselves world champs and not before that.
30 Jun 2008, 20:56 pm
#799 skopskiet: um there was no mention of os,danie, joe,fourie, january and i think its a pretty good solid SEVEN steps!
Days like that happen, shouldnt and probably/hopefully won’t
who would your team be seeing as your complaining so much?
okay so New Zealand lost in the world cup, jees
lets get rid of richie, carter, soialo…lets face it jack and collins would undoubtedly be there too. cant even remember, but lets throw away williams, mealum, woodcok, somerville besides mccaellister who left. lets not to mention sititvatue rococoko who just obiviuously cant cut it at international level
30 Jun 2008, 21:01 pm
#807 skopskiet:
Skoppie I am not arguing that point.
I respect the fact that we are WC champions and nobody can take that away from us.
For me, as I said above, beating the All Blacks in NZ is the ultimate.
As far as the coach goes, nice guy, but has failed on my score card up till this point.
On the strength of that I am not bristling with confidence, and will judge him further when he reveals his hand by naming his run on team.
30 Jun 2008, 21:07 pm
#808 Seven: So as far as you concerned losing 0-49 is fine, hunky dory, A-OK, just as long as you can smirk it off, and get an Aussie coach to teach you how to go about fluking a cake walk WC tournament by 5 penalties to 2. Alls forgiven.
Well I don’t see it that way, all the hullabaloo blue eyed wonder boys got smacked by 49 points to Zero, (all your WC hero’s apart from 3 or 4). Now that to my mind rankles far worse than fluking an easy open sesame flawed draw competition by 5 penalty kicks to 2, as impressive as you might still think it is.
30 Jun 2008, 21:23 pm
#809 tight head:
Yip thats it, thats the acid test like you said it, beat NZ in NZ, that IS the ultimate,
certainly not the lucky packet rigmarole that goes this way and then that, like France is still convinced they beat us in 1995 semi in the rain in Durban, and even some Boks who are honest will concede to it, then there’s Suzy and forward passes, you name it, its all lucky packet stuff out there.
But not winning a 3N competition home and away, that is different, do that and you have my full admiration. WC’s nice to have, destiny smiled favorably, all things panned out just nicely, JP turned the Fijian wing, Danie forced Cueto’s foot into touch, gods must have been smiling. SA were the better prepared side all considered or else NZ got France in Cardiff and we didn’t, we got Fiji in Paris instead.
As far as the coach goes, he hasn’t done anything thus far to displease my way of thinking, he has perhaps let his mind wonder off the immediate task, I still like his winning approach mentality, and I also far prefer his inclusive rather than exclusive philosophy, he may be lightweight in terms of psychology or tactics or technical game planning, that we’ll have to see, but then again Jake was certainly no maestro else how the hell did he manage to get hammered by 49 points to f’ng zero? and apart from doing well as a new broom sweeping Straeuli’s cobwebs clean through 04 & 05, he proceeded to go progressively spiraling out of control through 06 & 07, until Eddy urned him around (unless those that fail to acknowledge the blatancy of it still prefer to pretend otherwise).
30 Jun 2008, 21:24 pm
#810 skopskiet: No, its not hunkydory…but it happened and if you read above i said it should and hopefully will never happen again. i dont think those players have ever felt so low and i dont think they ever will!
i actually think you are just retarded
30 Jun 2008, 21:33 pm
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30 Jun 2008, 21:49 pm
#812 Seven:
Yup it was the pits, and I’m telling you you got selective short memories, because it was the very same hallowed blue eyed team that got turned around by Eddy Jones, almost identical apart from Bakkies, Schalk, Butch, Steyn and JP, all the others including Smit, Matfield, Os, CJ, Danie, Juan, FdP & Ricky, Fourie, Habana, Ndungane and Percy contributed to that humiliation.
So to you the WC tells you those players were the real deal, and I’m telling you to check it out with both eyes, caste your mind back only one year prior, same players, same coach, kak result, perhaps the single worst in Springbok history.
So fool yourself all you like, WC lucky packet wins don’t fool me.
That coach was diabolical, to lose in such a fashion, this coach just has to lose by half as much, lets see you conspiracy theorist transformation bashing hypocrites come flailing away out the woodwork, like I see you all lined up raring to let your venom loose, your sharpened hatchets all primed and ready if by any chance one or more of your target scapegoats like Watson or Jacobs or Jantjes just so happens to perhaps put a foot wrong and miss a tackle or give away a turnover.
If any of these quota selections would happen to contribute to a 49-0 hammering, lets see the blood splatter then.
30 Jun 2008, 22:00 pm
that 49 is deeply etched into your mind, do you have nightmares over it every night, i have never seen a person so stuck on a number. Hell i dont know what medicine will help but try like a smoker who wants to quit , take it one day , then a week , you might overcome it.
Dont think we wil see a nil again but a bigger sore is definitely posible, i would hate to see it. That one stuck in your mind was painfull enough. You are a clever guy , leave that buzz word or shall i call it a buzz number to rest.
30 Jun 2008, 22:09 pm
#15 WatKykJy: There is a difference about shutting Carter down, and putting a king hit on BK the halfback, thus putting pressure on his pass to Carter as what happened in Capetown in 2005.
Fairly confident the ref will be looking at any cheap shots alot more closer than what happened back then
We expect the All Blacks to come out and really turn the heat up on you guys, the AB’s have waited for a big test for a while now, so thanks for the challenge, its gonna be huge, as a country, we pretty fired up over this, redemption is a huge motivator
30 Jun 2008, 22:14 pm
#814 skopskiet: No that is wrong, but the comments have been made that watson and jacobs has done little to warrant a starting birth…every player will be judged in the context of the game and the all round performance.
Undoubtedly i think Eddie made a difference, but he had an abundance of talent to do so with when the team was peaking which was the plan, of course. To win the world cup. Eddie was **** with the reds besides the first game where he used a dominate pack to play forward orientated pick and go rugby to grind out the single vicotry.
Jake stuffed up there. Jaco wacko arguably produced the worst performance ever by a springbok player. The overall display was embarrassing and i’ll never forget tthat giteau dive when he sailed in close to the posts. Our tactics were exploited, but we apadted and change to come the best defensively structured team while showing attacking structure and composure…and won the world cup.
That is the story as i see it and if the boks hadnt of lost in that way and manner and had the deep introspection.
Its in the past which im glad about, it was an embarrassing day….no player ever wants to feel like that. attempt to contemplate how those players felt and stop lamenting on the point. Are you telling me that you wouldnt include Smit, Bakkies, Matifeld, Os< jUan, Fdp<Fourie, habana, and percy in a springbok squad?
catch a wake up and open your eyes! you obviously have very biased blinkers as my opinon of watson, jacobs has been on their recent performance.
watson was embarrassed by shane williams in the second test, handling was horrible at newlands albeit wet weather, but this is supposed to be 1 his strength.
jacobs has done everything without being outstanding and when frans steyn came on in the 2nd half our emphasis seemed to pick up in the midfield, thought he has a good work rate and was physical in the contact points.
i dont know, you obviously have your very firm beliefs….but dont know why you are tearing strips off players that would walk into most springbok squads and lamenting points over ones that will barely be remembered in springbok history
30 Jun 2008, 22:16 pm
#815 superBul:
No super its not the number that matters, it is the blind mans bluffing that goes on around here that gets ones goat, they are so enlightened by the fact that we managed to squeak past Fiji (just), and Tonga, to win a relatively easy favorable draw WC – OK have the little victory – but the real issue is we never scored a single point against Australia on July 15th 2006, with every single SA gladiator on board, the very same ones you guys are saying should be playing this weekend and every weekend, Smit, Matfield, Spies, FdP, Percy etc. etc. – what did they achieve – worse than any Bok team in history ever managed – so whether it was 0-49 or 3-53 – it sticks in my gut far worse than a little 15-6 penalty kick shoot out, thats easy to forget – 0-49 not so easy.
30 Jun 2008, 22:27 pm
skopskiet would you not play these players? who would you play? keep mentioning the problem but no solution
30 Jun 2008, 22:28 pm
#816 KiaKahaNZ: Kia – I will be waking up at 2 am to watch the greatest rugby rivalry of all. There are no easy games against the All Blacks. I can’t wait.
Respect.
And may the best team in green win.
30 Jun 2008, 22:34 pm
#818 skopskiet: Boet you are now riding 4 horses. The argument about the RWC is moot at best, boring and tangental at worst. SA won the RWC get over it. And I say teh same who harp on us winning it – that was last year.
Now lets get on with winning the Tr-Nations. That’s the goal. Top of the Table after all games completed. We might lose some, but we have to win more than we lose.
30 Jun 2008, 22:35 pm
#818 skopskiet: I do not often agree with your arguments, but this time I think you are on the right track. We have no better chance this year than we had last year against the ABs and Wallabies. I do not know why everybody is so upbeat about this 3N.
30 Jun 2008, 22:35 pm
I’ve been away for a week but it feels like I’ve been here all week what with the same JW 49-0 chip on the shoulder posts…
30 Jun 2008, 22:46 pm
#823 wooden spoon: Hello Spooner. You missed:
Steyn is an overated out of form doos.
and 2 new dead horses beyond the tongue biting cobra (which essentially morphs in to 49-0).
#822 AB: Yup – our Achilles Heel is over-confidence.
30 Jun 2008, 22:55 pm
#817 Seven:
The sequence of events went like this
SA-France Newlands 24th June 2006 – 26-36 – loss
SA-Australia Brisbane 15th July 2006 – 0-49 – loss (record loss)
SA-NZ Wellington 22nd July 2006 – 17-35 – loss
SA-Aus Sydney 5th August 2006 – 18-20 – loss
SA-NZ Pretoria 26th August 2006 – 26-45 – loss
SA-NZ Rustenburg 2nd Sept 2006 – 21-20 – hooray a home WIN (1 point)
SA-Aus Ellis Park 9th Sept. 2006 – 24-16 – hooray another WIN (at home)
SA-IRE Dublin 11th Nov 2006 – 15-32 – loss
SA-ENG Twickenham 18th Nov 2006 – 21-23 - loss
SA-ENG Twickenham 25th Nov 2006 – 25-14 – well wadaya know an AWAY WIN !!!
SA-AUS Newlands 16th Jun 2007 – 22-19 – narrow home win (Steyn drop kicks)
SA-NZ Durban 23rd Jun 2007 – 21-26 – home loss (Steyn fluffs it)
SA-AUS Sydney 7th July 2007 – 17-25 – loss
SA-NZ Christchurch 14th July 2007 – 6-33 – loss
Out of 14 competitive internationals in two years played by our magnificent coached team we won exactly 3 matches (2 at home – 1 away) and lost 11 (home and away)
That is a 21% to 79% loss/win ratio
Now you tell me again just how great a coach this was, if PdV succeeds as well as that, you going to laud him with such magnificent honors as you offer JW, without EJ – JW was a has been no hoper, full stop, proof is right there in the stats, like it or lump it.
I’d like to see you guys after PdV gets it right just half as good as our 2006-07 record.
30 Jun 2008, 23:00 pm
Skops focus on the 2008 Tri-Nations.
Trust me – and this movie has played many, many times. The Springbok coach will move from adulation to Hades over time.
SA rugby fans are cannibals.
Now – start sending out some positive energy to the boys in Green & Gold.
30 Jun 2008, 23:01 pm
yup some things do not change.
30 Jun 2008, 23:02 pm
#825 skopskiet: 4 wins. 29%. But who cares. You are also paying this years bills with last years paycheck, just like the 4 more years goats.
30 Jun 2008, 23:07 pm
#819 Seven:
Problem dear boy if you still missing the obvious over here is that your emphatically hallucinatory soap box WC victory is only marginally relative to the fact that you had a really bum coach who with all the fantastic talent churned up through the system over the years only managed to see the light and turn things around by way of some radically induced alternate patterns introduced by an outside influence, yes the very same banished Australian Judas, one Eddy Jones, who now holds a coaching post at Saracens, while our magnificent WC wonder boy coach is still selling soap opera books and, what is it, – vitamins?
So to answer your unanswered question, I would certainly pick most those players, like PdV has, but at least coach them to win – not lose 11 out of 14 competitive tests on the trot in two whole years of competition –
OK, the fanciful draw WC and the input of a proper tactician has blinded us all to the blatant truth – thats the last word on the matter – for tonight at least.
30 Jun 2008, 23:08 pm
Skop you really try to bend everyone to your level of bitter arrogance, sour defiance. I guarentee most of us can applaud JW AND support PDV … YES that is possible. You seem to be like the greek guy – forever cursed to roll the 49 stone rock up the hill and let it roll down again.
Bokke are RWC champions. Well done JW
Bokke are number 1 team in the world. Well done JW
Bokke must win Tri to keep this position – lets see, PdV you have our support.
Try it, not so bad
30 Jun 2008, 23:11 pm
If Jake White had been the ABs coach he would have been fired with that record. The NZ public would not have stood for that level of loss. White redeemed himself with a RWC win and all is forgiven. A bounce of the ball against Tonga at the end and things might have been different.
The English in 03 were the only team to win the RWC with a winning record prior to the Cup. It just shows results elsewhere mean nothing to win the RWC,its all about the 4 or five weeks of the cup itself. Thats why ranking three years out is ridiculous.
NZ will probably be ranked again no 1 at the end of the year which means they will be thrown again into the minnows pool in 2011, thrash them all by 100 pts then run into trouble at the knockout stage because they haven’t had any tough competition.
Can the ABs get put into the pool of death next time . Please.
30 Jun 2008, 23:11 pm
#830 zeitgeist: Z. Give up. He’s my mate and I can’t make him stop.
Win the 2008 Tri-Nations. Which means we have to win more than we lose. Lets set reasonable objectives.
If we win on Saturday I will be elated (and hopefully can have a bit of a dos seeing that I will be getting up at 2am on the 4 July/5 July in the US – maybe I will just stay up drinking watching fireworks).
30 Jun 2008, 23:12 pm
#831 lapoftherugbygods: aye
30 Jun 2008, 23:15 pm
#828 SodaJoe:
Glad you noticed – OK not so bad, bum coach only lost 71% of the time – yet still his ardent disciples believe he waltzes across the waters –
like I said – and I hope I don’t have to repeat it here again, let PdV achieve this glorious record in his first two years, the almighty howl of discontent will be screaming through these blogs like a painful siren of sorrowful anguish from the very pits of Hades itself.
30 Jun 2008, 23:21 pm
#834 skopskiet: Skops it’s a little bit disingenuous to say that the record was not met with howls for dismissal on JW as well. You were part of this forum where the rabid cannibals went after Mr. White too. I don’t think that JW was treated any differently.
He survived the cacophony.
Then everyone got behind the team and coach at the RWC.
Then we won.
Last year.
Now we are in 2008. With a new coach. “New” team.
And we have to beat the All Blacks on Saturday.
There you go.
30 Jun 2008, 23:24 pm
#834 skopskiet: I believe most of us here called for JWs head during and before the 2006 season, we clung on in hope as he kept saying he is planning for the WC not the 3N. He succeeded in bringing home the trophy, how he did it and who he used is irrelevant to the argument. PdV can expect the same harsh treatment that was dished out on White if he doesnt perform and equally the same applauds if he does! That is the way us fickle supporters operate!
30 Jun 2008, 23:25 pm
#835 SodaJoe: Snap!
30 Jun 2008, 23:28 pm
#830 zeitgeist:
Sorry man, I ain’t fooled, can’t be fooled, like #831 lapoftherugbygods: says here, in that same period while we were achieving 29% success, Henry was achieving 88%, yet he got beat by a lousy forward pass, we succeeded through a defensive tackle on a Fijian wing, cups and lips – many a slip between them.
Henry would never have been allowed to take his team to the WC had he lost 49-0 or achieved a 29% win record in the two years leading up to it, never. In spite of his 88% record most NZ’ders want him out because of that single WC loss – how ironical the wheel and dagger of fortune thrusts and turns.
White got out knowing he got lucky – extremely so – so he should be grateful fortune has been that kind to him, after all his real record while unaided by better coaches speaks for itself – whoever will willingly open the record books and take a hard good look for themselves.
30 Jun 2008, 23:38 pm
#837 AB: Hello Boet. Great minds and all that.
Did any of you lose your log-in? To upgrade your WordPress?
30 Jun 2008, 23:39 pm
#838 skopskiet: STOP!!!! Please I beg of you.
30 Jun 2008, 23:43 pm
#839 SodaJoe: Luckily it had my password stored, otherwise?
30 Jun 2008, 23:45 pm
#838 skopskiet: JW is history now my friend, and all he will be remembered for is the WC win in 2007. We are now busy with the next chapter in our history book! Turn the page my friend and move on.
30 Jun 2008, 23:46 pm
#841 AB: Me too. So it happened to you as well.
Roy – a little warning please boet. You are not dealing with the sharpest tools in the box here. If you could see the 2 fingers pecking going on you wouldn’t be so cruel.
30 Jun 2008, 23:47 pm
Just to add another dimension to the debate
International
Australia vs France in Brisbane
Referee: Paul Honiss (New Zealand)
Touch judges: Marius Jonker (South Africa), Kelvin Deaker (New Zealand)
Television match official: Kelvin Deaker (New Zealand)
Assessor: Andrew Cole (Australia)
Tri-Nations
New Zealand vs South Africa in Wellington
Referee: Stuart Dickinson (Australia)
Touch judges: Matt Goddard, James Leckie
Television match official: George Ayoub
Assessor: Michel Lamoulie
30 Jun 2008, 23:48 pm
skopskiet you clearly have problems…
are you acutally a bok supporter? get your head out of your ***, im trying to see things from your point of view but i really can’t stick my head that far up my own
and also i hope we won’t fall victim of over confidence…saturday wont be easy but we know our capabilities, what we’ve done and achieved…and we musn’t be unrealistic
respect new zealand but respect ourselves, this is time to take down the old rival when its weakened, the kiwis are going to come out firing, especially after word cup to prove a point, but the POINT of this is not that we are going to be over confident, but that we need to stop talking and prove our worth on saturday.
i think we potentially have the team to do it, skop if you can remove your head you shoudl check the game out…
30 Jun 2008, 23:49 pm
#844 BokiNZ: C’mon Binz – we play what’s in front of us. We have a shot at winning, not comfortably, but 1 point in our favor will do me fine.
30 Jun 2008, 23:50 pm
#836 AB:
I don’t agree with it AB – why be fickle – the coach performs badly why keep him, he does well hold faith in him – how he survived the 49-0, I still to this day cannot fathom it, must have had guardian angels hovering over his head, because every rugby man from Frik du Preez through Divan Serfontein wanted him gone, including me, and I didn’t change my tune thereafter (if you haven’t noticed), Carel du Plessis was given exactly 8 games to perform – less than 1 full season, he finished on a resounding victory (still I think a SA record over Aus if I’m not mistaken) and yet he was booted – Mallet picked up his new look team and went on to do great things with it. Yet White goes from f’ng bad to worse and gets reprieve after g’dam reprieve and then a lucky packet WC with Eddy holding his shaky hands to top it all off.
Its actually no wonder no one with their heads rightly screwed on wants to hire him as a coach, they’ve seen enough, like I have, to know a decent winning coach from a fortunate fraud.
#840 SodaJoe:
Sorry Soda – when the little penny eventually does drop – maybe all these that bay for a hopeful mans blood – will eventually see some wood for the trees – maybe till then I’ll be singing it out loud just like my friend Bob says – and stand on the ocean till I start sinking.
30 Jun 2008, 23:51 pm
#845 Seven: 7. I know they are missing players as well as anyone. What I don’t think is that they are severely weakened. It’s NZ vs SA. And the Kiwis have a major point to prove. After losing so often a win will be really, really great.
30 Jun 2008, 23:55 pm
#846 SodaJoe: That’s true but undeniably ref’s had a huge influence on the results of games. Particvularly of late. Let’s hope that’s not the case in Wellington. Perssonaly I have no qualms with Dickenson- he’s orraait! Lets hope that stays the same too.:smile:
30 Jun 2008, 23:57 pm
#847 skopskiet: If it makes you happy the penny’s dropped. You’ve done your job. Very, very well.
I think it’s time we promoted you.
You are now chief searcher of bad **** on Graham Henry. Corporal Chch will be your fine assistant. Criticakl to your success will be to focus on your new task. It is vital for the Snor’s success – so don’t be distracted. Sersant Skopskiet!! Mooi loop.
30 Jun 2008, 23:57 pm
no richie, no collins annd possibly pyscological scarring….
add to that no jack, and various other absentees..
an all black team is never going to be weak, but this one definately isn’t the strongest it could be
30 Jun 2008, 23:57 pm
And forgive me my spelling errors. Its just so phucking cold here. Can only imagine what the Boks must be feeling, being further down south!
30 Jun 2008, 23:58 pm
#849 BokiNZ: Binz – everyone gets good and bad calls – i really don’t see any conspiracies. They all do their best, and it usually works out about even across the 80 minutes.
30 Jun 2008, 23:58 pm
#845 Seven:
Yep young man I do check most our games out, seen them come and go, through the good times and the bad, and I have to tell you the last 8 years – Streauli and White were for me the most dismal worst of the last 40 – even worse than Viljoen who at least tried to play some rugby, but really since Mallet we haven’t played rugby apart from 2 months at the WC in 2007 – otherwise 2000 – 2007 I’m happy to forget practically all of it – worst period in Bok rugby history ever – in spite of our lucky packet hullabaloo win.
30 Jun 2008, 23:59 pm
#848 SodaJoe: its going to be huge and a win would be great….
i sense that feeling you have…
1 Jul 2008, 00:00 am
#851 Seven: And we could say we have a new coach, new gameplan, guys who haven’t played ELV’s, etc, etc.
Aargh *** it.
Lets just play.
#852 BokiNZ: Spelling errors. the cold really affects those 2 fingers huh? No excuses beyond Vodak my friend. And anyway you’re in great company.
1 Jul 2008, 00:04 am
#854 skopskiet: Mallet was brilliant…biggest loss to South African rugby.
However get over yourself about Jake White…he set out objectives, and ultimately achieved the so desired throphy! also winning a try nations on the back of what strauli stuffed up!
If you believe Jake was that bad, you actually just an idiot.
1 Jul 2008, 00:05 am
#853 SodaJoe: Who’s talking about conspiracies? Just that1 side almost always feel aggrieved at the end of it. Would be a pity if it came down to that. Esp after all the hype!
1 Jul 2008, 00:07 am
#850 SodaJoe: Sersant Skopskiet. You did such a great job, we think that you would do well as an attack dog on Robbie Deans as well. This expanded role necessitates that you now ignore the “tongue biting cobra” and focus, focus, focus on the enemy – the kiwi & the wallabie. Cobras are out . Wingless birds and hopping dogs are in. Mooi loop and congratulations once again.
We are proud of you. It was a very big penny.
1 Jul 2008, 00:08 am
#858 BokiNZ: aye
1 Jul 2008, 00:10 am
#856 SodaJoe: i’m afraid your right about the elvs, the coach and gameplan…
no one has played under these elvs…
but i think Peter De Villiers realises what it takes to win this test much…lets see his team and see how far he is willing to back some players….
he has my backing till other wise,
1 Jul 2008, 00:11 am
#861 Seven: When do they announce the team? Thursday as usual? It will be interesting.
1 Jul 2008, 00:16 am
Ok guys – tot siens.
1 Jul 2008, 00:18 am
#863 SodaJoe: Cheers!
1 Jul 2008, 00:19 am
#859 SodaJoe: Nevermind skoppie. He’s guitar has realy only have 1 string. Amazing to hear the noise, sometimes it does resembles music, he can mustre out of that 1 string. Hey skoppie!
1 Jul 2008, 00:20 am
#857 Seven:
I know he was that bad – results do not lie.
Anyway you continue in your wishful belief, I’ll continue in my open eyed knowledge.
1 Jul 2008, 00:22 am
He’s =his. beginning to doubt if its the cold or just the consecutive late nites! Eish! Anyway guys, you know what? I’ll be in Wellington watching it unfold right in front of my own eyes! Isn’t that great! I SAID, ISN’T THAT GREAT!! YOOHOO!
1 Jul 2008, 00:25 am
#867 BokiNZ: Lucky FISH!!!!!
1 Jul 2008, 00:32 am
#859 SodaJoe:
#865 BokiNZ:
Different strokes for otherwise folks around here, those that focus on the enemy never see the moat in their own eye, like those that proclaim ‘no Irishmen would make my team’ and then get soundly beaten by the very same Irishmen that wouldn’t be making your team.
So by all means study your enemy, but focus on yourself, on your very own weaknesses and on how to improve and do better, you see I’m pretty much the opposite of most you so called ‘patriots’, I look for 100% honesty and integrity, if I notice a whole bang shoot cloud of suspicious smokescreen hogwash, like they tried feeding us since 1999, without them producing the results – that matter – like beating NZ home AND away – I’ll rip that bullsh’t smokescreen cloud and call it just as I see it, crappy useless coaching and all.
Liars can perhaps succeed in fooling part of the people part of the time, maybe even fool most of the people most of the time, but definitely can’t fool all the people ALL of the time – I think it was Abraham Lincoln said that – attributing to my friend Bob once again.
1 Jul 2008, 00:32 am
Anyway, before I forget. Congratz Simon on this thread. In light of the claims I made the other day, this is the kinda stuff that we would like to see all the time. Not those opinion pieces we get most of the time. You’ve actualy went out and did some research. Wow! Although the authenticity of it is yet to be determined!
Sorry, couldn’t resist! Hope I’m not in too deepa pile of … down at Keo HQ.
1 Jul 2008, 00:35 am
#868 AB: Great heh! Its also my b/day on Saturday. So, here’s to the Boks giving me the best b/day present ever!
1 Jul 2008, 00:39 am
#871 BokiNZ: I have noted your bday and will convey the appropriate wishes here on Keo before the match! Are you going to blog before you go to the stadium?
1 Jul 2008, 00:40 am
#869 skopskiet: Its funny you should say that. I recall you condoning what the Keo writers did on the PR article. Looking for 100% honesty and all. And here I was thinking you were the real deal! See you making it up as you go- like the rest of us!
1 Jul 2008, 00:44 am
Ain’t no blindness quite as blind as the one eyed egotist – one thing I can say for Jake – and I’m almost certain he himself might second me on this – it was he poor hard done by ego trampled coach himself that got taught the lessons of his life through his 4 years of coaching hell – It was he in fact that was the biggest recipient out of all the anguished gnashing of teeth and crumpling of ego’s, he was hardly the benefactor at all, in fact it was he that was doing all the learning, and the rest of us had to sit and watch and suffer all along whilst he ardently was hauled over the coals taken kicking and screaming through his growing pains, and painfully eradicating and nullifying his over sized blind egotism.
In the final analysis it may have all been worth it, for him that is, pity the rest of us had to suffer through it so.
1 Jul 2008, 00:45 am
#872 AB: Nah. I’ll be leaving on Friday morning. Its about 7hrs drive from here. Man, I can’t wait! Like I always say, great things in history has happened on the 05 July. Me being born, amongst other things. Not!!!
One thing for sure tho. We gonna rewrite history come Saturday
1 Jul 2008, 00:50 am
#873 BokiNZ:
Nothing to condone or witch hunt about Bokinz, really to me I hardly need to care where the material originates that comes on here, its just like any old news, BBC, CNN, Keo, Rugbyheaven, 365, whats the diffs who gets the scoop out first, long as we get to gnash our teeth over it and gulp it down like the scavengers we are, who cares who threw the bone out first.
1 Jul 2008, 00:50 am
#875 BokiNZ: In that case may those wishes for yourself and the Boks come true! Looking forward to your input in times to come!
1 Jul 2008, 00:54 am
OK guys Im outa here enjoy!
1 Jul 2008, 01:00 am
#878 AB: Night AB – it is pretty late I reckon – maybe time to tune out too
1 Jul 2008, 01:02 am
#876 skopskiet: Don’t want to start the whole thing all over again but even though I’m in 100% agreement with what you say, the difference is claiming it as your own without recognition to the original author. As journo’s, I thought, that was/is unethical! And not using the said article in its entirety as well but snippets to maximise the use. I don’t know skoppie, somehow it doesn’t feel right.
#877 AB: Thx AB. Will try and soak up all the atmosphere to report back on Sunday. Esp if we win! Freelance for Keo, so to speak!
1 Jul 2008, 01:07 am
#878 AB: Cheers AB. Nice chatting! You might wanna change your nick, if you not an AB fan of course, otherwise its pretty confusing.
1 Jul 2008, 03:10 am
Hey look, South Africa should win at least 1 (possibly both) of the 2 games here in New Zealand, and you should win your home game. You have (apart from your scrum) a very strong team over here. The best line-out pairing in the world and (whoever you might choose) some of the best loose forwards in the world as well. I think that we have chosen the best players available here in New Zealand. But our line-out has been barely adequate and our loose forwards are just finding their combinations. Our scrum will be strong, and the ELVs will enable us to take advantage of the 5 meter gap to the opposition defensive line. If our forwards can get us enough front-foot ball, our backs might see us through. All of this year’s games will be tough, with less than 10 points difference at the end. Really looking forward to them all…
1 Jul 2008, 03:10 am
Hello all
1 Jul 2008, 03:25 am
#883 We lost to the Scots cos its cold: BigHit? Is that you?
1 Jul 2008, 03:55 am
hey Bok
1 Jul 2008, 03:57 am
Hey Keo start a new thread this one with 800 plus posts is too slow
1 Jul 2008, 04:01 am
#866 skopskiet: I said in the beginning that PdV does not have too difficult a act to follow, i hope he can achieve better results, it will be nice to beat the ABs regularly , yes even in NZ.
Since you have such a big data base of Jakes achievements and failures lets take the PdV era in small steps. We start at the beginning , its a 4 year project.
Jakes 1st Year-Summary Total
Played 13
Wins 9 69.20%
Losses 4 30.80%
Draws 0 -
1 Jul 2008, 04:07 am
juslike this page is slow…
AB team to play on sat:
1. Tony Woodcock 2. Andrew Hore 3. Greg Somerville 4.Brad Thorn 5. Ali Willliams 6. Adam Thomson 7 Rodney So’oialo (c) 8. Jerome Kaino 9. Andy Ellis 10.Dan Carter 11. Rudi Wulf 12. Ma’a Nonu 13. Conrad Smith 14. Sitiveni Sivivatu 15. Mils Muliaina.
Reserves: 16. Keven Mealamu 17. Neemia Tialata 18. Anthony Boric 19. Sione Lauaki 20. To be named 21. Stephen Donald 22. Leon MacDonald.
1 Jul 2008, 04:10 am
and so tialata is benched!
find it strange that kaino is in the team despite getting DUI on thursday evening last week. perhaps the jimmy cowan incident has allowed the nzru to sweep kaino’s trouble under the black carpet.
im not suprised about tialata dropping onto bench. i am a bit suprised with wulf’s inclusion over tuitevake.
1 Jul 2008, 04:11 am
What a load of ****, AB’s are going to smash you guys but I admit that its your best shot yet.
1 Jul 2008, 04:30 am
howzit saussie
you expecting a blowout win for AB’s then?i just cant see it happening.
im expecting the wallabies to come very close for their away game in nz, and will win in their home game against nz. deans is shaping things up nicely now.
1 Jul 2008, 04:36 am
AB’s are having a few off field misdemeanors of late. Perhaps I’m old school… But of what significance is it to Rugby? Seriously guys if you or I were done for DUI, Assault, Slander, etc… of what significance is it to our occupation other than a few hours of work time taken up appearing before a magistrate.
I am not condoning the off field incidents but come on.
1 Jul 2008, 04:41 am
Yesterday I stated that Jimmy Cowan, Jerome Kaino and Sione Lauaki should all be stood down for the next game due to recent brushes with the law.
Stew Wilson amongst others is now campaigning for Jimmy Cowan to be sacked. It is still to be decided if Jimmy Cowan will be named on the All Black bench. I read the incident report today and Cowan was not arrested for fighting but for threatening a lead bouncer after he took acception to his comments (which may have also been a threat). Cowan was taunted by locals and had objects thrown at him before the incident.
Given what the arrest was for I think that Jimmy should be stood down for about 5 games. Drunk driving Jerome Kaino should also be stood down for 5 games. Drunk driving passenger Sione Lauaki should be stod down for 1 game.
I don’t know why the GH or the NZRU had not already set the president by standing players down for miss conduct. Stew Wilson is an idioit for wanting Cowan’s All Black contarct torn up. He has decided that drink driving (which kills people) is not an offence while a fighting incident (Cowan’s first offence) and threatening someone should end someones career
Kaino and Lauaki have both been named in the side to meet the Boks. What message are the NZRU and GH trying to send here! Maybe Kaino will only lose his contract if he ends up killing someone!
Looking at the All Black team Mils Mulianina has been named at full back ahead of MacDonald. IMO this is an awful decision as MacDonald is in excellent form and we sacrifice more of our kicking game which we already lose by playing the inform Nonu at 12.
We do have some good news that Ali and Brad combo are fit.
I have no problem with the So’oialo and Thomson 7 and 6 combo but I wish they could have had game time doing this before the Boks.
At the end of the day I would not pay to sit in the stadium and watch Graham Henry’s drunk driving verdict run around the field. I will watch from home. It is tough being an All Blacks supporter these days as Graham Henry and the NZRU look at stripping more dignity from the side
1 Jul 2008, 04:43 am
#892 RugbyRulz:
it affects team culture for sure. in a sporting context the guys are very reliant on each other to uphold their culture, and from another angle their is the role model pressure.
for guys who represent their country on an international level, goes for boks, wallabies and AB’s the room for ‘error’ is minute. its just not right to allow criminals to represent their country. obviously this all applies if the parties are found guilty.
i think its pathetic all this slapping with wet bus ticket discipline. in nz herald today there is a recent list of AB off field antics that have come under public eye. luaki, howlet, sivivatu, mils, rodders, hore, cowan x2, nonu, masoe-umaga….add in the tupoki and parkinson BS.
1 Jul 2008, 04:48 am
#893 church – like chch but pronounceable:
I would like to add that the conduct of members of the public taunting players is terrible. New Zealand’s population is beginning to include more and more idiots.
I can imagine idiots taunting a public figure just because they recognise him and don’t know how to respond. It is called a limited range of behaviour and it is a symtom of a lack of intelligence.
I am not saying Cowan isn’t wrong but I would love to see some of the idiots that threw things draged into court based on CCT footage.
1 Jul 2008, 04:51 am
#893 church – like chch but pronounceable:
Seriously m8 the PC police are alive and well.
Old ways will die hard but they will die. Facing up to societal problems will take time and binning old schooled heads isn’t the way to go. Fu*k if that be the way bring back corporal punishment (it doesnt work that way).
NZRU is finally dragging itself into currency through adopting education programming of youngsters. We all know (well smart ones do) that we are on show 24/7. One does not expect the average sportsman (most are not that well educated) to know what society expects. The boozy culture pervading hard played sport is fading (and so it should) but hey! Sportsmen/women are real people too and prone to human frailties.
1 Jul 2008, 04:51 am
#893 church – like chch but pronounceable:
i think your suspensions would be suitable. cowan’s trouble seems to be that his temper under the influence has put him into situations where the cops have had to be called in to either protect him from further damage, or protect him from making damage. sounds like he hasnt done too much wrong, compared to drunk driving which is totally unacceptable!
btw Stu wilson is a complete tw@t.
am glad that ali is fit to play. think the decision to play mils ahead of panadol is that henry will be looking to use his bench to try accelerate the game again in the last 20minutes, much the same way the ABs beat the boks in durban.
1 Jul 2008, 04:58 am
#895 church – like chch but pronounceable: So its the immigrants then? OK. Cowan knows he’s in the spotlight and should therefore think before he act. Especialy considering his earlier misdemeanor. End of story!
1 Jul 2008, 05:02 am
#898 BokiNZ:
bokinz, i know church’s comment initially ruffled my feathers too, but i think its clear that its not immigrants being referred to hear.
anyway,,,how many immigrants live down otago region?
1 Jul 2008, 05:07 am
cant remember details, but not long ago there was an all black who was involved in a drink drive accident where someone was killed and police were charging or were going to charge the current or ex AB.
who was it? faintly recall it being eric rush? but i could be horribly wrong!
1 Jul 2008, 05:10 am
#898 BokiNZ:
I don’t think it is the immigrants.
#897 Tomsta:
Yes, it seems like the NZRU are worried about the publicity of events rather than the severity.
#896 RugbyRulz:
I think we are on the same slippery slope that may see us like America. I am not sure about our police. There still seem to be large elements of old boys network. I have spoken to Police in many countries overseas and although some are corrupt they are nice and I feel no danger. In NZ I grew up in a tough neghbourhood where as a 12 year old the police would be throwing me against the side of a car and searching me for walking down the road. I was even threatened into not giving a statement about someone who was un over because the driver seemed to be associated with teh poilce. I was threatened bt a police detective!
I have recently spoken to police in Christchurch with bery negative responses. I asked one policeman for directions and he swore at me. When I asked why he was acting that way he said “why the fork would you ask me, piss off”.
I think that on a global scale NZ police generally suck. There is probably a lot more corruption than the recently reported rapes. I am not saying that there are not good policemen but the current structure does not weed out the bad ones.
1 Jul 2008, 05:21 am
#898 BokiNZ:
#899 Tomsta:
Sorry, bad wording … when I say ‘include’ I mean as a genral cycle of generations and not as a result of immigration. I actually think that immigration in New Zealand helps the diversity in opinions and behaviour. Most problems seem to come from the Kiwis who have never travelled.
1 Jul 2008, 05:25 am
NZ is going to the dogs, South Auckland is a ghetto although I have been to SOWETO and that place is a complete shambles.
1 Jul 2008, 05:25 am
#900 Tomsta:
It was Eric Rush. He was no onger an All Black but he was still associated with the New Zealand sevens. I can’t remember what happened. I thought that he fell asleep at the wheel. Was driving rediculos distances with little sleep (his fault).
1 Jul 2008, 05:46 am
There’s an article on news24 titled “Div ready to fight for Butch”.
A few quotes from the Snor himself:
“Butch is brilliant. He is one of the players whose name you write down first on the team sheet,” De Villiers said here on Monday.
“He provides valuable input and he is world class. People, especially in South Africa, sometimes underestimate him.
“But the team appreciate him and he believes in himself. That is a recipe for success.
“What makes him so good is that he is so unselfish and such an unbelievable team player,” De Villiers said.
“We will lean over backwards to get him back.”
In my opinion, the place where PdV has shown his worth the most so far is in player relations. He does seem to really value players and he makes an effort to keep everyone happy.
This is a contrast to Jake White who treated his chosen few favourites like kings and everyone else like ****.
1 Jul 2008, 05:49 am
#904 church – like chch but pronounceable:
true, that refreshes things. he wasnt drunk. did fall asleep at wheel and cuased accident. pity that.
i know some people who are in police. and when i say i know, im not associated with them. some of them are really pleasant people, while others are complete dropkicks. with the cops trying so hard to reach their recruitment drive targets id hate to know the % of the new recruits who are just dropkicks.
still cant believe kaino is let off completely. it seems henry has a 3 strikes policy with squad members.
1 Jul 2008, 05:54 am
#905 siener: This is a contrast to Jake White who treated his chosen few favourites like kings and everyone else like ****. Nothing new or isolated. PdV is having a crack at honesty which is quite refreshing and again nothing new.
I am not a Jake White fan but will attribute the man to one saving grace…. Management. The guy knew he wasn’t a coach but a damn good manager. He surrounded himself with the right people and thats how you get things done. Sorry skop if you’re reading this m8 but on that there can be no denial. Clive Woodward couldn’t coach either but a damn fine manager. Got him a WCup too!
1 Jul 2008, 05:55 am
the butch v carter show is going to get confrontational,,then swing it wide just one, and we get the jdv v nonu show which we all know is going to get confrontational……then swing it back in a few and we get the burger v rodders show. need anybody say anymore?
1 Jul 2008, 06:01 am
#905 siener:
We need to send Graham Henry on some sort of peoples skills cource
1 Jul 2008, 06:04 am
#906 Tomsta:
Robbie Deans attaches consequences from your first mistake. I think it makes for a better lesson.
1 Jul 2008, 06:17 am
#910 church – like chch but pronounceable:
Did you bag Deans after the 2003 failure?
1 Jul 2008, 06:20 am
church is to henry what skopskiet is to white
1 Jul 2008, 06:22 am
I dont believe Robbie Deans was the AB coach I do believe it was John Mitchell. Robbie was assistant coach. Also GH inherited the beginnings of something that both men had begun to mold. nuff said I reckon.
1 Jul 2008, 06:25 am
#912 Fern:
You would have seen the red and black eye patches on your travels to Chch, went to a Bledisloe Cup match there in the mid 90′s the crowd booed a couple of Ab’s from Auckland, they were wearing the black jersey but that didn’t seem to matter.
1 Jul 2008, 06:29 am
#912 Fern: No I dont think that is correct, I think its all about merit. Skop is quite right about JW. What other national coach with his results has held their position ( leading into a WCUP )? On the other hand GH has quite a formidable record. Difficult to sack a man with his impressive stats… Also the numbers had him home and hosed. You see NZ is a very small place with just about ALL its population on the north island….. GH Stronghold. The end result was the up and coming, tried, true and proven candidate to possibly topple GH was tossed. Therefore I can see why Chch is so pissed about it. Robbie Deans is a visionary and generally all round good guy. Just what sport needs. Thank you NZ (north island). We in OZ are more than proud to accept his service…. win lose or draw.
1 Jul 2008, 06:43 am
#915 RugbyRulz:
he won us a wc,nuff said.skopy is like a chick on the rag at the best of times.
chch,jafas deserve that treatment.
your bud g13g is a jafa
1 Jul 2008, 06:47 am
#916 Fern:
Henry is from Chch you clown.
1 Jul 2008, 06:48 am
just another fking aucklander….. Chch is from Christchurch which is in the South Island. Auckland being on the North Island…. bah! never mind ….
1 Jul 2008, 06:52 am
#917 NZINCHINA:
**** away bro.
i was talking about the auckland players getting booed that chch was referring to.
1 Jul 2008, 06:53 am
#918 RugbyRulz:
******* wow you clown.ask chch what my sentiments are about Christchurch.
seems you are a jafa or you are from some small shithole like Clive
1 Jul 2008, 06:57 am
#920 Fern: Suggest you lay off the sauce and read above. It isnt brainiac science trying to tackle where I am from.
1 Jul 2008, 06:59 am
#921 RugbyRulz:
dont you have to go and report to your parole officer?
btw jafas are proof that aussies can swim
1 Jul 2008, 07:00 am
#922 Fern: Fern you’re obviously missing your princess but alas I cant fill that void for you. boo hoo. suck it up assclown.
1 Jul 2008, 07:01 am
#920 Fern:
Yer I’ve read the shite you share with us about NZ, clearly you are from Pretoria if you enjoy Chch the people are very similar – whats that monument just outside of Pretoria the one the ANC failed to blow up, it was the highlight of my trip to Pretoria.
1 Jul 2008, 07:23 am
#911 NZINCHINA:
I baged the Tana Umuga decision. It was John Mitchell’s show though
#914 NZINCHINA:
Does “Carlos blows goats” ring a bell as a crowd chant?
#915 RugbyRulz:
The basis of my gripe is not that GH is that bad. It is the fact that he made mistakes, failed to admit them, said judge me after the WC, then instead of leaving himself went head to head for the job with Deans who was a perfectly good replacement!
If there was no other good candidate then I could forgive GH but there was.
IMO the All Blacks and NZRU have lost a lot of integrity
Aus have gained a good man. He has been both manager and coach in the past (Crusaders and Canterbury) and will bring a lot to the Australian game.
#917 NZINCHINA:
He is from Christchurch. He is now part of the NZRU furniture though. The NZRU that don’t even want to give the South Island a semi-final in 2011.
I get harrased all the time for challenging GHs actions…. I get called a one eyed Cantabrian …. the irony
1 Jul 2008, 07:34 am
#925 church – like chch but pronounceable:
When he’s wearing a provincial jersey he’s fair game but you would think when players put on the black jersey it would be different, Chch is too small to hold a semi, Eden Park even with the upgrades is inadequate.
1 Jul 2008, 08:17 am
#926 NZINCHINA:
Do you think that NZ got awarded the WC because of its huge stadiums!!!!!!!
1 Jul 2008, 08:32 am
#927 church – like chch but pronounceable:
No and clearly Chch deserves a semi but they aren’t going to get one.
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