SA seek change
21 Aug 2008
The Springboks are unhappy that the All Blacks only spent a week touring South Africa and are looking to have next year’s tournament restructured.
It is widely acknowledged that the length of South African tours overseas – in both the Super 14 and Tri-Nations – hold them at a distinct disadvantage compared to their Australasian counterparts. The Springboks played three consecutive Tests Down Under this year, while the All Blacks spent a week in South Africa, and the Wallabies will spend two.
Manager of national teams, Andy Marinos, said they want New Zealand’s tour to South Africa to be extended.
“We have proposed to Sanzar that a bye be included when New Zealand tour South Africa next year,” Marinos told Die Beeld. “We will then play the All Blacks twice and the Wallabies once just after the tour by the British and Irish Lions.”
Springbok coach Peter de Villiers highlighted the disadvantages faced by his team when touring.
“It [travelling] will always favour them [Australia and New Zealand]. When they come here, the time difference favours them. They gain a day but we lose a day when we fly there. Then you also have to play, for financial reasons, on consecutive Saturdays,” said De Villiers.
The host union finances the visitors flight and accommodation expenses, and it is therefore more expensive to include a bye and lengthen the trip.
“Sanzar consists of three countries and the profits and losses should be shared,” Marinos said. “From a business point of view it was too expensive to include a bye.
“During the first extended Tri-Nations series in 2006 the Springboks spent an additional week in Sydney. But it means the tour is then extended to five weeks. Some players who are involved in the Super 14 competition already have a tour of five or six weeks behind them [by the time the Tri-Nations starts]. It makes it more difficult.”
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21 Aug 2008, 12:04 pm
#98 Garry_Owen:
He should really trim that mustache makes him look like a wallrus!
21 Aug 2008, 12:05 pm
There is only one level playing field – THE WORLD CUP! As for overkill of international matches in between Cups – who gives a dragon – each game as meaningless as the next as evidenced by the so called ‘big games’ (Bok v AB) not even selling out. Who would have ever thought that would ever happen? At least we’ve got one proper test series to look forward to; Lions ’09.
21 Aug 2008, 12:08 pm
#100 Sharksgirl:
“Im not really a genius that term is for guys like Norman Einsten”
21 Aug 2008, 12:10 pm
#101 Sharksgirl:
bakkies can pul him with his snor when the **** hits the fan…… chicks dig the “snor”
21 Aug 2008, 12:11 pm
#102 armchairprofessor:
Its a sad day when SA fans start sounding like the Poms.
21 Aug 2008, 12:14 pm
#105 lapoftherugbygods: You have just stolen the words from my mouth!
#103 lapoftherugbygods:
21 Aug 2008, 12:15 pm
#105 lapoftherugbygods:
noooooooooooo never…
21 Aug 2008, 12:16 pm
#104 Garry_Owen: I’m a chick and I do not dig THat snor, less is more in my opinion.
21 Aug 2008, 12:19 pm
#108 Sharksgirl:
i would hope you are a chick i you were a guy with a name like sharksgirl i would expect you to have an even bigger “snor”
21 Aug 2008, 12:20 pm
#109 Garry_Owen:
21 Aug 2008, 12:23 pm
#110 Sharksgirl:
i need to be working…but talking **** is bette…nice to see my staff woring while i am talking **** on the net..
21 Aug 2008, 12:26 pm
#93 Maori_Fulla:
This is an internet forum you clown you can say what you like or do you decide what should be written on this site, have a beer and calm down you winner.
21 Aug 2008, 12:26 pm
#111 Garry_Owen: Likewise, I have even been to a meeting with the Lap top they all thought I was taking minutes, I just hope they don’t ask for these minutes later
I am tired of talking roads, this at least gets the adrenalin going 
21 Aug 2008, 12:26 pm
#109 Garry_Owen:
Who was Garry Owen and how did he get the brilliant idea to just kick the ball straight up as high as he could? He wasn’t playing into the southerly at Athletic Park was he?
21 Aug 2008, 12:30 pm
#113 Sharksgirl:
i am sitting watching the brilliant british weather…it is so good…rains more than the sun is out…. meetings? i sit and day dream in them now days….we have more meetings than we actaully work…. do you design roads then?
21 Aug 2008, 12:30 pm
#114 lapoftherugbygods:
the ******* stole the idea from me…..
21 Aug 2008, 12:34 pm
I heard you stole it from Barry Upinunda
21 Aug 2008, 12:34 pm
#115 Garry_Owen: No I work in the Training Centre, we teach them how to build roads properly
But I don’t whant to mislead you I run the Admin component of the section!
21 Aug 2008, 12:35 pm
#117 lapoftherugbygods:
we share ideas
he is my brother
21 Aug 2008, 12:36 pm
#115 Garry_Owen: Speacking of the weather it is beautiful here in KZN the sun is shining, best place to be in winter really!
21 Aug 2008, 12:36 pm
#118 Sharksgirl:
i heard it is a mith…maybe you should work a little and then we will have decent roads with only a pot hole every 5km 
and where are these road that are being built properly in sa?
21 Aug 2008, 12:39 pm
#120 Sharksgirl:
o bite me…i cannot even remeber what the sun looks like….
21 Aug 2008, 12:39 pm
#121 Garry_Owen: Hehe, that is why we exist to TRY and get them to build them to last for at least a month, but we are only 65% there!
21 Aug 2008, 12:50 pm
#123 Sharksgirl:
so it only lasts for 19 days?
mmmmmm swak…
21 Aug 2008, 12:59 pm
#124 Garry_Owen: On a good month;)
21 Aug 2008, 13:01 pm
#125 Sharksgirl:
nice…. soounds like an intersting job… unlike mine
21 Aug 2008, 13:02 pm
#38 Sharksgirl:
Classic – You are too funny !
21 Aug 2008, 13:58 pm
The schedules, the referee’s blah blah blah.
None of these things mattered when we were in France for a month winning the world cup.
The fact of the matter is that the Boks have not been competitive on the pitch this year. This could be because of player fatigue, coaching, selection, referee’s or the alignment of the planets. When we start to compete then we can call the shots.
For too long now we rub people up the wrong way, we need to realise that the NH is never going to include us in their 6nations or Heineken Cup. The only option we have is the Super14 and the Tri-nations, when life gives you lemons make lemonade. With all the experience we have at it we should be the best touring side in the world of rugby. Are we? Hell no! Why? because instead of addressing our weaknesses we try to lump the blame on everybody else. FFS grow up!! If I was your Dad I would give you all a warmklap and send you to bed with no dinner.
I was raised to believe that being a Bok encompassed all the good things about masculinity- taking it on the chin, never bitching, never giving up, giving as good as you take and most of all integrity. This season the Boks and the management are really starting to disappoint.
Suck it up boys, look yourselves in the mirror admit your failures and do something about it.
All this whinging is making a mockery of us all. We all deserve a hell of a lot better.
21 Aug 2008, 14:24 pm
#127 Rugby_Princess: Thanks Princess
#128 DEE DAH: Amen!
21 Aug 2008, 20:26 pm
For the record, which team has several times in the Trinations had a games a week apart in SA and Australasia. That is, a game in SA one weekend and a game in Australia the next weekend, and obviously traveling between games? Or vice versa, a game in Australasia and a game a week later in SA?
It is not SA or Australia.
That team which has clearly had an unfair draw (it must be a deep conspiracy between SA and Australia for it to happen, obviously) is New Zealand.
But that’s one very clearcut travel disadvantage that we never heard comment about from the SA administration, coaching staff or media. I’ll bet most SA fans would not have noticed it.
21 Aug 2008, 21:05 pm
South African rugby has always been the plaything of politicians and
will be for a long time to come.Yes it is true that the All Blacks on
average have better performances and that the Boks are the most
inconsistent,going from champions to pumpkins.
It is also a fact that the bulk of the 87 All Black team visited South
Africa in 86 disguised as the Cavaliers in preparation for the
87 world cup but lost the series 3-1,granted Kirwan elected not
to tour.The loss to South Africa also resulted in a shake up of the
All Blacks team.It will always be a hot topic,but I am not so sure
the All Blacks would have won in 1987 if the Boks were allowed
to participate.So the long and short is that the Boks are more
likely to win a world Cup than the All Blacks who have a real
history choking against teams they should have the better of.
22 Aug 2008, 00:49 am
#76 JL1: And that’s all. England made the same claim even as team after team clobbered these “world champions” and made a mockery of that title. SA has lost 3 out of 4 3N tests this year. Is a champion a real champion when you lost 75% of your contests?
22 Aug 2008, 06:45 am
I must agree SA is resting on its WC glory and playing badly. For NZ, exactly the opposite.
Thar must be what’s stuffed up our win ratio against the AB’s. So ffs, NZ, get off your well used bottoms and win the bleddy thing so you too can have a slump.
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