Jake injection the answer
28 Aug 2008
Handing World Cup-winning coach Jake White the director of rugby position would be the best appointment made by Saru in 2008.
White made himself available for the job this week, a job that at present doesn’t exist. The president’s council will meet on Friday to discuss the creation of the position among other issues. They would do well to welcome White back into the South African rugby fold.
That White would even consider coming back into a system that clearly didn’t want him after the World Cup is remarkable. What it does confirm is that White is still committed to South African rugby. He is willing to walk back into the chaos, but more importantly he is willing to help the very team he led to intenational glory 10 months ago get back on track.
For the Springboks, there is nothing but pride to be won at Ellis Park this Saturday. Peter de Villiers’s game plan has been criticised not only by the media, but by Eddie Jones, another coach who won the World Cup with South Africa in 2007 as a technical adviser.
Some people may wonder why Jones deserves to be heard or why White would add value to a Bok team that is clearly headed in a new direction. It would be arrogant to dismiss the experience of this pair at the highest level. Jones coached Australia for four years before linking up with the Boks ahead of the 2007 World Cup. White took the Bok job in 2004 and finished his tenure with a Tri-Nations and world title.
Prior to this season, the incumbent Bok management had zero coaching experience at Test level. Had White been in the mix at an earlier stage, the Bok coaching trio of De Villiers, Gary Gold and Dick Muir would have benefitted. Be it through an informal chat or intensive technical discussion, these men would have had access to White’s insights on how certain teams function on the Test stage.
The old adage follows that you’re judged by the company you keep. White surrounded himself with quality assistants during his four years, and was clearly not afraid to seek outside help. This is not to undermine Gold and Muir as De Villiers’s deputies, but the three-man Bok coaching staff cannot compare to White’s entourage of 2007. More was definitely more.
With the exit of White, the Boks also lost their sports psychologist, their visual coach and an experienced techinical adviser. Henning Gericke, Sherylle Calder and Jones all earned their medals in France, so if they weren’t willing to continue under a new coach, why didn’t Saru replace them? It goes back to the question of why you need to divert from a winning formula at all.
White also used Rassie Erasmus as a technical adviser in 2007 before Erasmus joined the Stormers. White had Gert Smal as his forwards coach, but brought Erasmus in as a breakdown specialist. White also consulted Balie Swart for the Bok scrums, and on defence he wasn’t scared to ask Gold for a helping hand.
It was encouraging to see Sharks coach John Plumtree down at the Boks training last week helping with the technique at the breakdown. But it was disappointing that Plumtree’s involvement was limited to a few minutes. By including Plumtree, De Villiers was suggesting the Boks could use some help in certain areas. It’s such an important area of the game, so why not hire another staff member that specialises at the breakdown? The Aussies have two forward coaches in Michael Foley and Jim Williams, the former specialising in set-pieces and the latter at the breakdown. In a professional age it would seem prudent to cover your bases rather than spread yourself too thin.
White was wise enough to acknowledge where he needed help, and although he will be required to make other changes at the lower levels if he wins this director of rugby position, the coaching roles of the national team may have to be redefined.
Most big sides have a kicking coach, and given the importance of tactical kicking under the ELVs, it would appear as vital a job as that of a breakdown specialist. Although he has not worked with the new laws, this is something White and the Bok coaches would have to reassess if he did come on board.
There’s been a call for more structure in De Villiers’s game plan. White is unlikely to prevent De Villiers from pursuing with his desired pattern of play, but he may bring in the outside help needed for adequate Test match preparation.
By Jon Cardinelli
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28 Aug 2008, 13:31 pm
#700 skopskiet: Skop, go to post 683
28 Aug 2008, 13:37 pm
So what you asking, you have some kind of problem or what?
28 Aug 2008, 13:43 pm
If ever there would be a backward step for S.A. rugby it would be the appointment of the snake, Jake, anywhere within the national rugby set up or structure. He is quite simply too devisive and egoistical and opportunistic an individual to be further involved anywhere in the SARU fraternity. All, most of you have to do is to just think back to how aggressively angry he made so many of you, season after season until he stumbled and lucked, gloriously out on a devalued WC( no games vs. ABs, Aussies, France and look what is now happening vs. ABs & Aussies).
And have you already forgotten about his notions about fetchers(his sons are the best) which so reveal his lack of knowledge because the fetcher role is arguably extremely important right now and even before.
It is highly, but highly unlikely that those within the corridors of powers who were so viled by this moron, will actually give him another chance to take us further down the rugby road to destruction.
28 Aug 2008, 13:44 pm
#702 skopskiet: Are you threatening me?
28 Aug 2008, 13:53 pm
#703 ET:
Who, from a purely rugby point of view, is better qualified to effect this role of rugby director in our country than Nick Mallet? But the administrators will mostly dodge Nick because he will not tolerate their collective ignorance or their stupid interference time after time after time as he is after all an Ikey, meaning he can really think and most of them certainly cannot if simply judged on their performances in the last two decades and even before.
28 Aug 2008, 13:54 pm
#704 Loosehead:
Are you looking for a threat or whats your beef?
28 Aug 2008, 13:57 pm
#706 skopskiet: Answer the question.
28 Aug 2008, 13:57 pm
#704 Loosehead:
Are your fingers stuck on some letters or is it that you cannot comprehend a simply sentence as already expressed above. Either choice, you are still a git, who, like a dinosaur, is stuck in some anachronistic period we mostly know of.
28 Aug 2008, 13:58 pm
#708 ET:
Should read ‘simple sentence’
28 Aug 2008, 14:02 pm
#706 skopskiet:
Just ignore the ignoramus. He is definitely not worth the energy in your little finger.
Let us just concentrate on the ideas because the dinosaurs’ brain is too small to comprehend and respond to ideas totally based on the facts of rugby.
28 Aug 2008, 14:03 pm
#707 Loosehead:
Go read the post thats offending or upsetting you and make your own deductions about it, you guys think its all one way traffic in here don’t you, you reckon you can rag and cajole and insinuate and banter around calling people whatever you like and when they call your little baby assed bluff you want to get all high and f’ng mighty.
I’ve never needed to be discourteous to you yet, but why don’t you lot of pally pally chums go and check out exactly how full of it you actually think you are, check all you snide little insinuations between yourselves in the moeder taal nogal, and then you make your own deductions, then come back and ask the question again.
28 Aug 2008, 14:06 pm
#711 skopskiet: There is a huge difference between taking the piss out of someone and threatening them.
28 Aug 2008, 14:14 pm
#711 skopskiet:
It is the first time in a while that I can directly communicate with you, so welcome back buddy. Whatever you say about Jake many of us can amplify upon and like you have done so. I truly believe there is no serious truth in the main claim of this article. It is purely speculative, and, on this site, geared to get the numbers up again.
This ‘loosehead git has had his head in scrums far too often and his brains or what’s left thereof is somewhat squashed flat already and thus malfunctiong. Don’t waste your time and energy on him. As you can witness he is going on like a broken stuck record.
28 Aug 2008, 14:15 pm
#712 Loosehead:
Where exactly is the difference you show me, in fact if I recall I was having a go at someone else, one of your other buddies who also got offended because they reckon they can pull whichever prat derogatory term they like out their hat and bandy it about and when I told him where we stood it became obnoxious, a couple of you went on a merry spree with your so called ‘taking the piss’ so you decide where you like to draw the line between piss taking and threats, I say to you lot, you want it to go down the rough road, you be my guest, I won’t stand back for not one of you, as thick as the thieves you might think you are together ragging others, calling them names, and insinuating their mental or whichever status on here.
You want to play it rough you be my guest, I’ll play it just as rough as you like, any which way you chose.
28 Aug 2008, 14:16 pm
#713 ET:
should read ‘malfunctioning’
28 Aug 2008, 14:19 pm
#714 skopskiet: Take the piss out of me all you want, don’t threaten me. Ok.
28 Aug 2008, 14:27 pm
#713 ET:
The thing with Jake is real its in the main stream media, he actually does want to get his little lily white *** in there again and have another crack at being Mr. Big deal glory boy, but thats no real sweat or skin off my nose, they can play their merry little games until the cows come home, some of us see some people for who they are and not what they pretend to the world they trying to be.
The whole big saga really has very little to do with me at all, I see the fool for who he is, most people are fooled by his false impression intentions, but if he needs or wants to go down this road for himself again, let him do what he thinks he has to do, if he’s going to succeed or get burned again its his own business.
I never really rated him and I never will, I know he’s a clever manipulator that knows how to wangle situations to suit his own ends, even though he really is quite a diabolical coach he got away with using other techniques like some charisma and sway with players and support staff, and he knew only too well how close to the edge he was sailing before he got EJ on board.
John Smit and Eddy Jones carried Jake White all the way from his first year till the WC, and then he wrote some soapie book and got rich out of it.
I say they must do what they think they must do, their forlorn destiny is their own, whatever is calling his head, I reckon he’s most likely quite a sorry kind of character who cannot really subsist without some kind of ego filled recognition and vainglory driving him on, he’s really not worth much estimation at all in my book, in spite of how so many reckon he’s Mr. rugby genius himself, I know he’s not, and so does he, he just fools himself as good as he fools most the others.
28 Aug 2008, 14:30 pm
# 711 skopskiet: “exactly how full of it you actually think you are”. Tell me dude, is that a line from Zoolander or something?
loosehead has a point, while the piss taking of you has been quite superb, it seems that the heat has gotten to you. no need to start getting all revved up!
waiting for you response…. get it by right c licking your mouse and pasting all the **** you have been spewing for the last 7 hours…
28 Aug 2008, 14:41 pm
#716 Loosehead:
Which threat where, you mean this one ‘So do yourself and some of your overly bravado friends like Disa and Loosehead and whoever else wants to try join the cue’
after you and fern and Disa and the other anderkantdiewater dude along with maybe a couple others had a good little cackle about who the bakkie bouer is with his cell phone and watnogal does during my day and how much or when I pay my staff etc as if it has really anything to do with any of you.
Some of you believe in your insolent heads that you actually have some kind of audacious right to inflict derogatory statements this way and that, soon as it comes biting back you up on your high horse offended, so what you reckon, you can give it but you can’t take it?
better you learn a little lesson out of this and tell your mates the same, they feel they want to try playing it rough around me, expect a little of your own medicine come bite you back, and it may even be a little sterner than you bargained for, so I suggest you put the word out, you want to be treated with respect, you try show a little, otherwise get exactly what you came looking for.
Maybe that gets the point across for next time, here’s hoping,
28 Aug 2008, 14:43 pm
#717 skopskiet:
Skops it is only real in Jake’s puny brain and the few media friends he has. They are opportunistically using the 3N situation to push their agenda. This man, you know, who was so bragging about getting million buck jobs after, and even during the WC, cannot even get a half decent rugby job in Japan or Georgia because he is recognised as being worthless and correctly so. Anyone who pushes his cause is simply stupid and to push his agenda when we still have a S.African called Nick ,as genuine competition for that position, shows they are, in fact ,morons.
I truly believe SARU, collectively, will not ever appoint Jake anywhere near its structures. Sure there will be one or two who will mention his name, but quietly so, especially after his stupid involvement this week with players in the present squad. That is not how you go about winning friends and influence anywhere by deliberately dividing a team that is to play a test this Sat. That is not ever being stateman like, but I expect that from him because he is so cortically restricted.
28 Aug 2008, 14:45 pm
#716 Loosehead:
Hey! git, just shut up .No one’s knees are shaking because of your espoused threats here and now.
28 Aug 2008, 14:49 pm
993335″>718 itcouldbe worse:
The only point is what, hopefully, is still there between his legs. Now move on and play with your toys outside.
28 Aug 2008, 15:00 pm
#719 skopskiet:
Many, including me, know and believe all the points you made and further just revealed today. For example, we have to ask the question why did the Rupert group have to bale out this ‘rugby guru’ with a non-rugby job? Is it because he is their boy in their nefarious plots for rugby and even things generally just S.African? Anyone who believes there are no conservative interferences in rugby is simply living in a fool’s paradise. It has always been there and will for a very, very long time still be there so nothing is pure, clean and simple in sport, in general. There are always agendas and that breeds counter agendas which unfortunately we just have to be aware of and tolerate and sometimes make a noise about. I have my suspicions that a guy like , say Erasmus is controoled by the Rupert group but will you get anyone who really knows to say that? Never, the intrigues simply live on.
28 Aug 2008, 15:06 pm
#717 skopskiet:
He only manipulates those below him, like the players who hoped to be picked to earn their bucks . But Jake himself is manipulated by his controllers, higher up who pay his salary. We all know that he who pays the piper calls the tune.
28 Aug 2008, 15:06 pm
#588 JL1: I dont see what the alternative for 80 mins is producing !!??
28 Aug 2008, 15:08 pm
# 722 ET: what the hell are you talking about? by the sounds of it, you and skopskiet should get back inside and carry on playing with each others points.
28 Aug 2008, 15:14 pm
#723 ET:
I can’t really get involved or delve to such a conspiratorial conclusion as all that, all I know is I see people pretty much for who they are, and Jake White can pretend he’s a lot of things to a lot of people, but I know some things one cannot hide, and that is that this so called fantastic rugby coach is fundamentally just an over traded and over rated imposer, sorry to have to say it out loud as blunt as that, but that is exactly who and what he is.
Most will not see it, they are blinded by that little shiny gilt edged thing sitting in the trophy room in Newlands, but certain things are just very easy and plain to recognize and see without much doubt, and what I am saying is, as unpopular as it might be to most around these blogs, unequivocally correct.
28 Aug 2008, 15:16 pm
#724 ET: Are you from the same place as Skopskiet ? Are you skopskiet ??
28 Aug 2008, 15:19 pm
#573 Luger:
This cat has it down to a T, wheres he been hiding all these months when we been fighting this lone battle for rationality alone
This guy has it right spot on the button like a burning bright scone
Right on
Keep pulling that little comfort smoke screen blanket from these hoodwinked googoo gaga groupies eyes, tell them the reality, maybe someday soon they might just peek past the smokescreen blanket and see the light.
28 Aug 2008, 15:26 pm
#728 bananas:
Are you a plantain? Do you even know what it is?
28 Aug 2008, 15:31 pm
#730 ET: Why if I were would we be able to communicate better ?
28 Aug 2008, 15:38 pm
Dis maar weer die ou skoppie hier.
Hel, ek weet nie meer nie …
28 Aug 2008, 15:51 pm
#727 skopskiet:
I understand your, and The, situation well enough to appreciate the forces at play in our country. In S.Africa the history and politics that go with it must NEVER be overlooked, ever. It is always lurking, close by, in the background. So I can and will call it for what it is.
Is it any wonder why I, weeks ago, said on this site said that the senior WC ‘star’ players are not playing for the coach and this only after the knowledge since early Dec. that about 75% of the players voted for HM’s choice as coach. Can you play for the choosen one if you have voted oppositely to that? The glaring and deliberate exhibtion of the lack of basic rugby skills for the execution of the game by persons far closer to the end of their playing days as opposed to staring days has to raise a host of serious questions about these players and their motivation. And don’t even use the word professionalism as the continued availability of of the money from the controller is far more important than that silly word. You want to play for who REALLY pays you and that is only indirectly SARU.
Just in the last few days many other pieces of the puzzle have been falling into place. Firstly, in Australasia, JW wanted to be in the dressing room,WHY? Interference? Then noises in the press wrt JW. Then EJ criticisms from England. Now further JW loud noises in the media with quotes etc., etc. A stinking rat is easily smelt here and it is a stink that is going on in the corridors of real power.
28 Aug 2008, 16:02 pm
#730 ET:
While you are googling or have now, googled it let me say it would go some way to get me to understand your out of the blue, baseless , questions of #728.
28 Aug 2008, 16:24 pm
#734 ET: You are spooky. You need an interest.
28 Aug 2008, 16:29 pm
#733 ET:
Do you know for a fact that he wanted to be there?
28 Aug 2008, 16:36 pm
Jake White needs to get a life. He sucked as a coach and was on the verge of getting fired. THe boks miraculously won the world cup and now everyone thinks he is a national hero…forgetting who bad he was as a coach. Jake…get something else to do with your time, other than butting in on SA rugby. You had your chance and you werent offered the position as coach again, so live with it and move on.
28 Aug 2008, 17:23 pm
#735 RugbyRulz:
I think you are not S.African and if that is so I need to point out to you ain’t seen nothing yet. Everything is and has been possible in the politics, even rugby politics of our country.
I think you are Australian , in fact. let me know then we can speak further and deal with any queries yopu may have.
28 Aug 2008, 17:27 pm
#736 Sheriff:
If you are talking of JW then let me say yes, as according to Hoskins(just today) JW’s agent approached him(Hos.) a few weeks ago on this very position. This position is to be discussed tomorrow at a PC meeting.
Read guys just read if you want to discuss the real situation.
28 Aug 2008, 17:32 pm
#736 Sheriff:
Here is more info for you and all:
Less than 24 hours after Jake White had made himself available as South African director of rugby, the SA Rugby Union confirmed on Wednesday that the position would be discussed on Friday
“It’s on the agenda,” (of a president’s council meeting) Saru president Organ Hoskins said on Wednesday. “But is does not mean we will make anyone an offer.
White’s agent contacted Hoskins three weeks ago to offer the former Springbok coach’s services as director of rugby.
I told him it was not possible at the time because there was no certainty that there would be such a position,” Hoskins said.
Even if the Saru officials decide to create such a position it would require a mind shift to welcome White back into the ranks.
White and Saru’s president’s council were often at loggerheads during his term as national coach.
Former Western Province coach Alan Zondagh has also thrown his name into the hat.
Zondagh, who runs the rugby academy near Riebeek West, assisted White briefly with the Springboks’ attacking game during 2006.
WILLING TO WORK HARD
The merits of a position for a director of rugby would depend on the job description, Zondagh said on Wednesday
“If it’s someone who is willing to work hard it will be meaningful. We need someone who can equip elite players and coaches with knowledge.
“If a coach is struggling with defence, for example, who does he call to help him?
Zondagh feels there is far too much panicking over South Africa’s Tri-Nations performances this year. The source of the problems should not be sought with Springbok coach Peter de Villiers, he said.
“The problem in South Africa is the way we play in contact situations. That’s not Peter’s problem. Our ball carriers never dominate the contact situation.
“Take a look at Bismark du Plessis. He is a big guy but he will lose the ball eight out of ten times in contact
“If you could solve that problem you won’t have to send five guys to the contact point,” Zondagh said.
“We’re making a mountain out of a molehill. These are small problems that can be easily solved.
“Peter is correct in saying we should not be afraid to play with the ball. The two tries the Springboks scored against the Wallabies last week came easily when the ball was moved wide at the right time.
“Peter wants the Springboks to become a dangerous team. They’ll get better if they continue to play with the ball.
This article answers more than just your question if it is about JW(if not tell me about whom are you asking).
This article is from someone who knows SA rugby very well whatever anybody says.
It specifically messes up all those who are blaming PDiV and with strong rugby argument.
29 Aug 2008, 04:21 am
Won’t someone sketch out an hour-by-hour account of what any “director of rugby” will do when he arrives at his office at 8 am to 5pm every day for eleven months a year?
It sounds to me like a sinecure job paying massive wages for not adding very much value.
29 Aug 2008, 07:56 am
#734 ET: Didnt google. Still want to know if youre from the same town or share the same house as Skopskiet ? Can there two of you out there … ET go home !
29 Aug 2008, 09:56 am
#741 TheTackler: My thoughts exactly.
WP appointed Nick Mallet a few years back to the same position and that was an unqualified disaster considering WP’s current situation.
The only thing to have done was to retain Jake after the world cup and continue building but SARU were just too desperate to get rid of him and appease the ANC. Hoskins and co are having sleepless night at the moment because their spineless actions mean that our rugby team is getting walloped and they have unsavoury bed partners.
Jake should tell them to F@ck off!
29 Aug 2008, 12:20 pm
#742 bananas:
Just for you ,solely just for you as you seem to be so forlorn and desperate for information. TWO (2) different continents.
Now please stop making a noise, promise?
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