Only the best for Heyneke
4 Sep 2008
Heyneke Meyer wants to make the Leicester Tigers the best club team in the world.
Meyer and Leicester’s competitive season begins on Sunday against Gloucester. After his predecessor, Marcelo Loffreda, lasted less than a year, there is pressure on Meyer to deliver in his first season at the helm. Moreover, Meyer wants the Tigers to set the standard in the Premiership and across Europe throughout his next three years in charge.
“My long-term goal is to make Leicester the best club side in the world,” Meyer told The Guardian.
“We should be able to achieve that in my time here. When I left the Bulls after winning the Super 14 last year and failed to get the job of South Africa coach, I thought my time in rugby was over. I turned down a number of offers from international and club sides. Then Leicester came in, a club which shares my vision and values, and here I am.”
Meyer’s vision and values include success via hard work. This is epitomised by the coach’s current injury, where he ruptured his Achilles tendon during training last week. “It was a sort of race. Put it down to team-building. I will be in plaster for six weeks and then see how it goes,” he said.
With these core values in mind, Meyer will only sign players who are willing to put the collective before the individual. “We need a wing because of all the injuries we have: we will take our time because as well as being a world-class player, the guy must fit into the values of the club. Individualism must not come before the team. Every aspect of Leicester and everything we do must be totally professional,” said Meyer.
“It [the English season] will be a new experience for me, but I have watched a lot of Premiership rugby in recent years. It is different to the Currie Cup because it has 12 good teams in it. The English season is tough because three competitions overlap and you have international calls, but we have drawn up plans and we have a very strong squad,” he said.
Much has been talked about the new attacking inclinations of teams under the ELVs, but a pragmatic Meyer noted how sides have to play to their traditional strengths. “We will change tactically, improving when it comes to intensity, skill levels and try scoring, but you always have to play to your strengths.”
Meyer left South Africa having nurtured the best provincial side in the world. You wouldn’t bet against him revitalising a tiring Leicester outfit into the flagship team of Europe.
356 Comments
4 Sep 2008, 09:37 am
Striped Dragon-Tiger!
4 Sep 2008, 09:39 am
and he will probably achieve it….
4 Sep 2008, 09:41 am
pity he wasn’t retained in South Africa as Bok coach to keep the boks at #1.
Noooooo, we are fortunate enough to have Snor with his one eyed approach…
Gosh we can all see which team is better off…
4 Sep 2008, 09:41 am
This will be great experience for Heyneke. After a succesful stint at Leicester, he will be able to pick and choose where he wants to go.
4 Sep 2008, 09:43 am
Best provincial side in the world??
What?
4 Sep 2008, 09:48 am
“Meyer left South Africa having nurtured the best provincial side in the world. You wouldn’t bet against him revitalising a tiring Leicester outfit into the flagship team of Europe.”
I cannot handle it when “journos” spout their own opinions as fact.
4 Sep 2008, 09:48 am
#5 black_marc: please focus….
“My long-term goal is to make Leicester the best club side in the world,” Meyer told The Guardian.
4 Sep 2008, 09:52 am
#5 black_marc: Leicester is a UK side, they dont have provices therefore dont have provincial teams. Only club sides.
4 Sep 2008, 09:52 am
#6 black_marc:
Super 14 is the best provincial competition in the world.
Therefore, S14 champions can be declared to be the best provincial side in the world at that time.
Simple logic.
4 Sep 2008, 09:53 am
Well, let’s all sit back and see what HM can achieve without a bunch of clowns cart wheeling over his head.
I have my reservations about the ‘best team in the world’ thing (I believe the Crusaders have earned that title – not WP as many would lead you to believe
) but I would love to see where the Tigers are three years from now. My bet will be top of the pile.
4 Sep 2008, 09:56 am
#7 EEE:
You focus!!!
read the last sentence of the article.
4 Sep 2008, 09:59 am
#9 Tacitus:
One swallow does not a summer make, and one S14 title does not make the bulls the best provincial side in the world.
I would be saying the same if the sharks or even the blues had won the S14.
4 Sep 2008, 09:59 am
What I like about Meyer is that he looks at the ELV’s and says ” We will change tactically, improving when it comes to intensity, skill levels and try scoring, but you always have to play to your strengths.” Now that makes sense. I only we also just done all that but played to our strengths we would ahve won the 3N. Just look what we done last Sat just that. Played to our strength but improved with the expansive game too. Never ever forget about our strengths. I just wonder how far we would have been already under Meyer?????? it just makes us think.
4 Sep 2008, 10:01 am
#10 Kerneels:
The journalist was referring to a specific point in time. As in the Champions of any particular year can rightly be considered to be the best side at that particular time.
No one’s talking about the best team over the course of Super rugby history here. That would be a toss up between the Crusaders and Auckland Blues, with the Brumbies probably coming in a distant third.
4 Sep 2008, 10:01 am
#11 black_marc: Meyer left South Africa having nurtured the best provincial side in the world. You wouldn’t bet against him revitalising a tiring Leicester outfit into the flagship team of Europe.
Referring to the bulls there!!!!! never said for one minute that Leicester were a provincial team?
4 Sep 2008, 10:02 am
#12 black_marc:
Read my reply to Kerneels.
4 Sep 2008, 10:03 am
#12 black_marc: please refer to #14 Tacitus:
4 Sep 2008, 10:06 am
Must be a pleasant change for Heynecke to coach minus the usual South Aafrican politics
4 Sep 2008, 10:08 am
#17 EEE: please just cross reference with #16 Tacitus
4 Sep 2008, 10:10 am
#18 Richie_7:
For sure, although at the bulls, and with the structure he had implemented, i think he kept the wolves at bay and had a fairly smooth ride politically.
4 Sep 2008, 10:11 am
“Meyer left South Africa having nurtured the best provincial side in the world. You wouldn’t bet against him revitalising a tiring Leicester outfit into the flagship team of Europe.”
You kidding me right???? He won the super14 once..ONCE!!! The crusaders are the best provincial side in the world…period.
4 Sep 2008, 10:12 am
Wonder how many players from South Africa is going to join up with him. Alot of players anjoyed playing under him. Very good coach indeed and a gentleman. Good Luck and all the best for you !
4 Sep 2008, 10:14 am
What will be interesting is to see how many Bulls players Heyneke can turn into Tigers.
4 Sep 2008, 10:14 am
#19 shooter: use#17 EEE: to cross reference with #16 Tacitus: which is in response to #12 black_marc: which was answered by #14 Tacitus: which also referred to #10 Kerneels: which related to#5 black_marc: which had already been responded to by #9 Tacitus: …
4 Sep 2008, 10:16 am
#18 Richie_7: Yes I bet coaching there is by far less stressful than here. Just watch how he will make his the the best team. Full of South Africans I bet. He will be over here picking the ones that just ge left behind. We have enough talent here and no space for them all. No doubt be putting a lot of SA into that side.
4 Sep 2008, 10:17 am
#25 Puma:
Glad to hear that overseas teams share South African visions and values too. Makes SA rugby a global brand
4 Sep 2008, 10:18 am
#21 Storm Voort: In you opinion who was the best National rugby team in 2007?
4 Sep 2008, 10:18 am
#25 Puma:
Yip, but lets not forget the British media can be extremely hard.
Meyer had a lot of the local media behind him, even in the bad times.
Rapport , Beeld etc.
4 Sep 2008, 10:18 am
Hope the referencing system on this thread has been sorted out now. Any confusion, just refer to#24 black_marc:
4 Sep 2008, 10:19 am
#21 Storm Voort:
you’re wasting your time with the “blinker brigade”
4 Sep 2008, 10:19 am
#24 black_marc: yes, the interrelatedness of these post have been sublimely pointed out there. very nice
4 Sep 2008, 10:21 am
#27 Tisme: Sharks. They topped the S14 log.
4 Sep 2008, 10:21 am
#26 Richie_7: Yes agree with that.
4 Sep 2008, 10:22 am
#30 black_marc: Just accept that the Bulls were the best provincial team in 2007, just as the Boks were the best National team in 2007, just as the AB are currently the best National team in 2008….. rather simple really….. thats if you are not an idiot?
4 Sep 2008, 10:22 am
#30 black_marc:
The journalist is referring to the year the Bulls did win the S14. That year the Bulls were the best provincial side,a dn Meyer left after that meaning he left when the Bulls were the best. He didn’t say “consistently the best”
4 Sep 2008, 10:23 am
#32 It is just a game: and then lost the HOME GAME final…… yes
4 Sep 2008, 10:25 am
#28 black_marc: I know but he has a lot of experience now and he knows what players he wants and what game he wants to play now. I think he will be down here talking to a lot of South African players that are just not getting picked for the Boks that feel they should. He is going to have one mighty team. Then the British media will just give him all the credit. Meyer has learned over the years and is one smart guy now. Just watch him make that the best team in Europe. Of course will all the ex-SA leaving to join him.
4 Sep 2008, 10:26 am
#32 It is just a game: take leadpill surfer, helps with amnesia, i.e promotes it, they say.
4 Sep 2008, 10:27 am
#24 black_marc:
4 Sep 2008, 10:27 am
#36 Tisme:
Once again, it’s all about ho you perceive success. The Sharks were CONSISTENTLY better, just happened to fail at the final hurdle. Losing that one game they were still more consistent, just one trophy less
4 Sep 2008, 10:27 am
#21 Storm Voort: Storm vrot, it is ‘provincial side’ not ‘franchise’ which is being talked about. However, extrapolating from your viewpoint, the Bulls are regarded as the best as a complete package, i.e. structures, youth feeder systems, proffesionally etc etc.
4 Sep 2008, 10:28 am
#34 Tisme:
The boks were not the best National team in 2007.
The ABs were the best national team for the year 2007.
the boks won the world cup.
whos the idiot?
4 Sep 2008, 10:28 am
#35 Richie_7: One thing I have to admit that the Bull were lucky that day to win the S14. It should have been the Sharks. Steyn missed a easy kick at goal and both Steyn and Butch all they had to do is just kick the ball out and it would have been end of game. Then S14 to the Sharks. It should have been. Thought that because of that the Bulls were lucky to win also the game went on for much longer in minutes than it should have. Sharks should have won that one.
4 Sep 2008, 10:29 am
#40 Richie_7: consistently means you win consistently…. that includes the semi’s & final where you get another crack to prove you are the best
4 Sep 2008, 10:30 am
#43 Puma:
I’m a Sharks supporter, but I believe you make your own luck. The Bulls played until the final whistle; the Sharks unfortunately didn’t kick out and turned over ball.
Good on the Bulls. Hopefully the Sharks learn from those lessons.
4 Sep 2008, 10:31 am
#42 black_marc: We will never know will we. As Jake sent his 2nd or 3rd side over to Oz and NZ to play so cant really count that year of 2007 who was the best the only way we can do that is by looking at the World Cup we won it so we were. SA eve won best team of the year award. Got the medals so you can say what you like we were the best in 2007.
4 Sep 2008, 10:31 am
#42 black_marc: Yeah, thats why the best team lostb their No 1 world ranking to the Boks after the WC
4 Sep 2008, 10:31 am
Well I wish him best of luck!
Good exp. for him as person and coach.
4 Sep 2008, 10:32 am
#36 Tisme: I’m not gonna start the whole S14 final debate again, but to top the S14 log a team has to perform well against all the other top SH teams over a extended period of time.
4 Sep 2008, 10:33 am
#44 Tisme:
All I’m saying is some people will measure success by the the number of trophies in their cabinet, while others will look at stats and measure success.
To put in into perspective, you have one team int he final who made it there on more wins, while the other slipped in by the “bonus point for losing by less than 7 points” rule. So who is more successful? Refer to my first paragraph to find out how you determine success
4 Sep 2008, 10:33 am
#37 Puma:
I agree,
I was always impressed by his long-term thinking.
He clearly had a goal with the bulls and made it happen by introducing structures, feeder systems, a great work-ethic and team spirit.
It was certainly not luck. and the fruits of his labour was the success of individuals within his teams.
4 Sep 2008, 10:34 am
#36 Tisme:
Only after the ref gave it to them.
4 Sep 2008, 10:34 am
#45 Richie_7: I too am a Shark supporter. I felt just heart broken that day as we really should have won it if Steyn just kicked the ball out. Thats all that was needed. Bryan Habana was good though. Never mind we will get our day. That is if all the other Provinces don’t come and steal our guys away. Adi may go to Province Pienaar and Steyn may go overseas. Barrit is leaving. It does not look good for next year. Also thought when Campo was helping with the backline we were much better there.
4 Sep 2008, 10:35 am
#36 Tisme: O and the Sharks was the best team this year as well by finishing third.
4 Sep 2008, 10:35 am
#42 black_marc: Bias is the the spectacles through which an IDIOT view the world. You support the All Black and to you they were and always will be the best in the world – no matter where the thropies stand.
4 Sep 2008, 10:36 am
What do you guys want Grant to have written? Maybe something like “having natured the Franchise who won the Super 14 during the devaluated 2007 competition”. Although this is probably more accurate it does not sound so good therefore he rather exaggerated a bit. It works like that in journalism.
4 Sep 2008, 10:37 am
Funny that, the bulls get one S14 title, and win the CC a few years ago, and all of a sudden they are the best franchise in the world! If only it was so easy – I would say currently they have pretty tough competition with a few other franchises around the world. N & S. Crusaders spring to mind, but I am sure there are a few others around who would win more than they lost. Would be nice to see some N vs S franchise competitions to be able to compare comparitive standards.
4 Sep 2008, 10:38 am
#51 black_marc: Agree with you. He has a good rugby brain and his long-term thinking is what done it. He is one just like Jake that believes in structure. He has a great work ethic. He will no doubt get a great team spirit going where he is now. Always wonder what it would have been if he was our Bok coach? Just always a thought. Such a great loss to lose him to overseas. Has a lot of respect of the players here too.
4 Sep 2008, 10:39 am
#49 It is just a game: If that argument holds water the Rugby WC is a useless event, cause the AB’s have been the best world team for a decade now?
4 Sep 2008, 10:41 am
#50 Richie_7: lets agree we perceive it differently
4 Sep 2008, 10:41 am
#57 Crowthorne:
I think SA would thrive in a North vs South club competition. The English/Irish teams seem to enjoy the forward dominance game too, and SA culd dominate
New Zealand clubs though would love the French club style though – more open running and looser
4 Sep 2008, 10:41 am
#60 Tisme:
I agree completely! There is no right or wrong
4 Sep 2008, 10:42 am
#56 Robzim: Everyone has learned a new word “devalued”. If your team doesn’t win something then a competition is devalued.
Well in that case the currie cup has been devalued since it’s inception except for the 1976, 2005, 2006 and 2007 seasons where its has been the thoughest rugby competition in the world. Even harder than the WC. So that makes the Cheetahs the best rugby team of ALL time.
Some people just never fail to amaze me.
4 Sep 2008, 10:42 am
#59 Tisme: Which there are IRB awards for.
4 Sep 2008, 10:42 am
#61 Richie_7: Agree but the French pay for more than the English. I think. So NZ would score big time going there. Also France is a warmer place to play rugby that is if you are not based in Paris.
4 Sep 2008, 10:44 am
Cheers all out of here. Have to go out. Chat later.
4 Sep 2008, 10:44 am
#64 It is just a game: That the boks won 2 of in the last 4 years….. but you say they were not desevedly awarded cause tha AB’s have won more consistently!
4 Sep 2008, 10:46 am
#55 adj nm:
Once again, who is the idiot? Why do you assume just because the word black is in my name that i support the all blacks?
Is it because i am able to look at things objectively?
I am not an all black supporter. I am a south african through and through.
Black refers to my surname.
having the world cup is great. I can say with complete honesty though, that i would much rather have the best winning percentage year after year.
4 Sep 2008, 10:49 am
#56 Robzim:
no, maybe “having nurtured the blue Bulls from S14 also-rans to serious contenders and 2007 S14 champions”
4 Sep 2008, 10:49 am
#67 Tisme: Which means the Boks were the best in those two specific years.
4 Sep 2008, 10:49 am
#68 black_marc: Agree, but some AB’s will just want to hold the WC for 4 years
4 Sep 2008, 10:50 am
Best side in the world? My arse. They won a watered down S14. Everyone knows the Crusaders are the best club team in the world, followed by probably Wasps, or Munster, or even Toulouse. Only then can you start adding the remaining S14 sides.
You don’t become the best team in the world overnight. It requires consistency.
But good luck to Meyer, he’s at a club with a winning mentality.
4 Sep 2008, 10:51 am
#70 It is just a game: Thats the fkn point, read #34
4 Sep 2008, 10:52 am
#72 RedMan: Fkt whats with the reading….. best PROVINCIAL team….. Wasps, Muster etc are CLUBS !
4 Sep 2008, 10:52 am
#63 adj nm:
I do not know what you are talking about. I addressed another issue in my post (and also slightly tongue in the cheek).
4 Sep 2008, 10:52 am
#71 Tisme:
Fair enough!
4 Sep 2008, 10:55 am
#73 Tisme: We can debate for hours but we wont convince the other wether the Sharks or Bulls is the better team.
4 Sep 2008, 10:57 am
#74 Tisme: I think you”ll find Munster is a province, in Ireland. Anyway, it’s the same thing – province\counties\districts etc…
4 Sep 2008, 10:59 am
They’re not even the best franchise in the world. In any case, do the Bulls represent a province? I think not.
4 Sep 2008, 11:00 am
GRANT
“Much has been talked about the new attacking inclinations of teams under the ELVs, but a pragmatic Meyer noted how sides have to play to their traditional strengths.”
..
so why didnt it suprise to find that line in there??
well as someone said yesterday
this
is
clown city,
so its expected, isnt it?
4 Sep 2008, 11:01 am
#77 It is just a game: No we wont, its just that your argument is flawed, if the bulls won the S14, they are the best team for that specific year….. irrespective of injuries, resting players etc. The Crusaders are the best performing (consistent) team
Just like the AB’s being the most consistent team but certainly not the best in 2007, if the were they wouldnt have lost to france in the WC
4 Sep 2008, 11:02 am
#81 Tisme:
Bingo!
4 Sep 2008, 11:04 am
I hope Heynke will lead the Boks in the future.. Right now I would have to stick with Devilliers.
4 Sep 2008, 11:06 am
#81 Tisme: So you agree all the other years the Sharks was the top performer in the S14 and S10 that they were they best SA team.
4 Sep 2008, 11:10 am
#84 It is just a game: Yes, if the ended top of the log against all the SA teams they were the best SA team…… When you reach the top 4, you have to prove that you deserve that top spot…. and the really top team is determined through semi’s & the final…… the top 2 teams are rewarded with home ground advantage….. but they must win the final to be the best for that year
4 Sep 2008, 11:11 am
#80 asha1: it was Clown Town – but Clown City will do
4 Sep 2008, 11:15 am
#81 Tisme: and using your logic – who was the best team in the world in 2007 – The Boks, because they won the World Cup?
If so, the Boks were beaten twice by the All Blacks in 2007
Enjoy the fact that the Boks won the World Cup but dont try and translate that into them being the best side in the world
4 Sep 2008, 11:18 am
#87 vindicated: After the 3n, the AB’s were the best side, after the WC the Boks….. as I said, rather simple…. that if you are not an idiot….. and support the wallabies
4 Sep 2008, 11:20 am
#88 Tisme: and if Aussie beat New Zealand next week then the Boks will be the 3rd best side in the world ?
4 Sep 2008, 11:21 am
WP till I die – waar is jy..
Ek sien jy’s oppie site…
4 Sep 2008, 11:22 am
No, we are alredy 3rd best for this year…..propping the 3n table makes us 3rd best for 2008….. again rather simple isnt it?
4 Sep 2008, 11:24 am
See the Sharks are still moaning and complaining about the s14 final…jeez guys. You lost! Accept it! Its 18months later…sore losers…
4 Sep 2008, 11:24 am
#88 Tisme: your logic is flawed and you are relying on a victory in one tournament
If you get beaten home and away by the All Blacks then you are not the best team that year as there is at least one team that has beaten you twice
You cant claim that wins against England, Samoa, Fiji, USA and Argentina make you the best side in the world – as there will always be one other side who has beaten you twice in the same year and therefore you have no right to claim best team status
4 Sep 2008, 11:27 am
#91 Tisme: but you are ranked 2nd in the world
So how can you be 3rd best ?
4 Sep 2008, 11:29 am
#93 vindicated: OK i will claim the AB’s loss to france then!
If the WC means nothing why have it?
4 Sep 2008, 11:29 am
#93 vindicated: So you agree that England was better than the Wallabies in 2007.
4 Sep 2008, 11:30 am
The only way to establish which international/provincial/club side is the best side in the world respectively is to look at the amalgamation of statistics and current form….period.
Games played/won/lost.
Current form: competitive/headless chicken ala bulls during the first half of this year.
4 Sep 2008, 11:30 am
#94 vindicated: Again WC ranking is based on consistency….. ffs what is so hard to understand….. we are talking specific years, in 2008 we should be ranked 3rd
4 Sep 2008, 11:33 am
#98 Tisme: no mate, we ARE ranked 2nd at the moment. why SHOULD we be 3rd then?
4 Sep 2008, 11:33 am
#95 Tisme: who is saying it means nothing – not me ?
What I am saying is that it is a bit of a stretch to claim you are the best team in the world because you win a specific tournament
4 Sep 2008, 11:35 am
#80 asha1:
Yes asha1, i agree with you, this unstructered approach (a six or a nix) that are preached by PDV is absolutely rubbish.
4 Sep 2008, 11:35 am
#98 Tisme:”WC ranking is based on consistency”
what are you talking about
4 Sep 2008, 11:36 am
#100 vindicated: You are only as good as your last game or tournament…… Woods is ranked 1 because he has consistently performed over a period of time….. same goes for Federer, but on current for in 2008, Nadal creams his arse…. Nadal is the best tennis player in 2008!
4 Sep 2008, 11:37 am
#102 vindicated: Typo, World Ranking
4 Sep 2008, 11:37 am
Hellooooooo rugby guru’s and WP supporters and Guppies supporters & Lions supporterrrrrr….
Heyneke…….. gooi mielies my bloubul broeder…… show them what a true coach is !!
4 Sep 2008, 11:38 am
I’m a great fan of HM but I don’t know if he’ll make it in England.
The “rugby = holy war” method of coaching won’t work with European players so unless he fills his Leicester team with Saffers he’ll have to change the religious outlook that worked so well in South Africa.
4 Sep 2008, 11:39 am
#96 It is just a game: no i dont agree that England were better than Australia in 2007 – I agree that they played well in the World Cup quarter final – but they werent a better side than the Aussies in 2007
4 Sep 2008, 11:40 am
c’mon guys, this debate will go on and on. Some people look at tournaments, others at consistency in and out of tournaments. As SA proved last Saturday, you can be 3rd one week, and second the next.
So if you like titles and trophies, being called a World Champ, a trinations winner, a Bledisloe winner, then keep debating. Or you can just enjoy rugby and realise you win some, you lose some, will go up and down tthe rankings, and somebody out there will always think they’re better than you based on their own opinion.
4 Sep 2008, 11:41 am
#103 Tisme: federer are seeded 2nd mate. nadal is 1st.
4 Sep 2008, 11:42 am
#103 Tisme: you have lost me !!
your logic is all over the place – so im not even gonna try to understand what you are saying – it will give me a headache
4 Sep 2008, 11:43 am
#108 Richie_7: richie, you expecting to move down the ladder again anytime soon?
4 Sep 2008, 11:43 am
So Heyneke is not talking about changing the way Leicester plays or introducing a new brand of rugby?
4 Sep 2008, 11:44 am
#108 Richie_7: yes but the point is – you cant win one tournament and claim to be the best it the world
and not when one other team has dominated you in the same period
Like I say – enjoy the World Cup win – but dont try and make it anything other than it is
4 Sep 2008, 11:44 am
#86 vindicated:
4 Sep 2008, 11:44 am
#110 vindicated: i was wondering when you will notice that. sometimes it’s just better to walk away…..
4 Sep 2008, 11:46 am
#111 Windhond_Sharks:
Ladder schmadder……. You win games, people say it was against poor opposition. You win tournaments, people say it was a devalued tournament. You rank higher than another team, people say there were certain factor leading to this.
So who really knows who is best, who is the champion, or who is #1. Somewhere out there someone will disagree and have an opinion. Lets just enjoy rugby
4 Sep 2008, 11:46 am
#112 Horing: supprised. do you think he would’ve accepted a coaching job in aus or nz? he knows rugby, but better yet, he knows forward dominated rugby. Leister moet aan sy lippe hang…hy se natuurlik al die regte goed.
4 Sep 2008, 11:46 am
#104 Tisme: and by the way – they have changed the seedings methodology for the next world cup – thank goodness
4 Sep 2008, 11:48 am
#116 Richie_7: agreed.
4 Sep 2008, 11:48 am
#118 vindicated: please elaborate….
4 Sep 2008, 11:49 am
grant
i’ve just read mike greenaway’s “why boks ran riot against wallabies” on iol. please bring it here! yes, he’s agreeing with yur point of view … so no need to be afraid of it!
would make for a nice discussion!
4 Sep 2008, 11:50 am
#118 vindicated: How is that gonna help NZ and OZ?
4 Sep 2008, 11:51 am
#120 Windhond_Sharks: it will now be based on IRB ranking positions rather than World Cup results
4 Sep 2008, 11:52 am
#118 vindicated: Okay so WC obviously means nothing to you.
What about world rankings? What problem do you have with that? I mean it should suite you argument because IF you win you’ll be second?
4 Sep 2008, 11:56 am
#121 asha1:
“why boks ran riot against wallabies”
Didn’t read the article, but i’m sure it says that they played with last years game plan.
4 Sep 2008, 11:58 am
#122 It is just a game:
In 2007 it was impossible for the number 1 and 2 ranked sides in the world to play in the final – had they progressed, one would have knocked the other one out in the semis
4 Sep 2008, 12:01 pm
#124 adj nm: where did I say the “World Cup means nothing to me” —– find the text and copy it so we can all see it
If you cant find it – please come back and say so
4 Sep 2008, 12:06 pm
Where in my post do I say that you said it. But if someone goes on and on and on and on and on and on about how the fact that the Boks won the WC means nothing then don’t you think its a fair asumption to make. And that is exactly what it is and asumption based on what you are ranting on about. So I ask you again if winning the WC means nothing – what do you think about the world rankings system?
4 Sep 2008, 12:06 pm
#127 vindicated:
2 words: rope, custard.
4 Sep 2008, 12:07 pm
Rugby World Cup Ltd has announced that the IRB World Rankings will be used to seed teams for the RWC 2011 Pool allocation draw, which will take place in December. This is the first time that the IRB World Rankings have been used in such a manner and the cut-off date for the Rankings will be December 1, following the last of the November internationals in Europe.
“The pool draws for previous tournaments, including RWC 2007 in France, used results from each respective preceding tournament to seed teams for the allocation draw. However, the RWCL Board felt that the Rankings are a more accurate record of a team’s position at any given time and will provide the best possible chance of evenly matched pools emerging from the draw.”
“This was also the view at the IRB Integrated Season Forum in Woking in November 2007 where there was a strong common consensus among participants that the Rankings should have a greater role in the seeding and pool allocation process for RWC,”
4 Sep 2008, 12:07 pm
#126 vindicated: If one of the two top teams didn’t top their pool they could have met in the final.
4 Sep 2008, 12:08 pm
“Ideally we would have liked to have the draw in 2009 but this would not allow enough time to negotiate and confirm venues for the 48 matches and the associated team base camps. The organising committee Rugby New Zealand (RNZ) 2011 also needs sufficient time following the pool draw to develop the match schedule in association with RWC broadcasters, and there are other important time-dependent tournament planning considerations such as the ticketing programme,” added Dr Millar.
4 Sep 2008, 12:14 pm
#131 It is just a game: yes thats correct – there was even a good excuse for the Aussies to throw their last pool game
we would have met the Boks and not England
4 Sep 2008, 12:14 pm
#125 Snoek:
yebo!!
but seeing that our esteemed writers on this site are to afraid to touch the subject, i just thought i’d suggest bringing someone else’s view (which coincides with theirs) here for discussion!
4 Sep 2008, 12:14 pm
#129 Sheriff: 2 words – ****, head
4 Sep 2008, 12:21 pm
#135 vindicated: 128 was for your comment
4 Sep 2008, 12:21 pm
I find this ‘who is the best’ debate amusing and all the definitions that go
with it.All trophies reflect various competitions.The fact that the Boks
won the World Cup twice and the ABs once does not imply that the
Boks are the better team over a period of time.If we have to measure
performance of a period of time say ten years one only has to look
at the results of matches between these two rivals and the common
opponents they played during that period and you’ll see that the
ABs were the better performers,i.e having a higher winning ratio
and deserve to be the no 1 ranking team.
The Boks were simply coached by two superior strategists in both
Winning world cups.Coaches who knew to get the best from the
team at the right time,something the All Black coaches have failed
to do hence only one World Cup for the Abs.
4 Sep 2008, 12:24 pm
#135 vindicated:
No **** is the asst coach. PdV is the head coach.
50 + 3 = ________
5 + 3 = ________
Reflect on that. See what a difference a nil can make.
4 Sep 2008, 12:29 pm
#128 adj nm: “Okay so WC obviously means nothing to you”
how about that for a start
4 Sep 2008, 12:30 pm
#137 brentie: Agreed and what they do to measure this is called the world rankings. It takes everything you mentioned into account.
4 Sep 2008, 12:31 pm
#138 Sheriff: a nil ??
as in 49-0 or 19-0 –
that sort of nil ??
4 Sep 2008, 12:33 pm
#138 Sheriff:
And if you replaced the 19-0 with a WC medal, then a 0 would mean nothing?
4 Sep 2008, 12:35 pm
#139 vindicated: is there a ‘say’ or a “said” in that sentence? Its called an assumption. And you know what they say about assumtions. I actually made two wrong assumptions today. The other one being your intellectual abilities.
Sorry to bother you. Please feel free to keep on contradicting yourself. Yesterday I found it ammusing. Today annoying and in future I learn to live with it.
Have a nice day
4 Sep 2008, 12:37 pm
Oh Heyneke…if only you were around to make the Springboks the best team in the world.
4 Sep 2008, 12:38 pm
Vindicated, once again you are going on and on about the world cup. You are a ONE TRICK PONY.
4 Sep 2008, 12:40 pm
#141 vindicated:
You took 420 seconds come up with that.
The wheels are coming off.
4 Sep 2008, 12:42 pm
#142 Richie_7:
Richie
I sense pain in your question, but I’m not sure what you’re after.
Regroup quickly and rephrase.
4 Sep 2008, 12:43 pm
#143 adj nm: sarcasim is the lowest form of wit
“Please feel free to keep on contradicting yourself” –
please show me an example of where I have done this
If you cant – please apologise
4 Sep 2008, 12:46 pm
#146 Sheriff: and in those 420 seconds
I have made lunch
recieved two phone calls
made one call
replied to other bloggers
if you think that my interactions with you are any more important or warrent any more attention than any thing else in my life then you have one heck of an inflated sense of self importance
4 Sep 2008, 12:46 pm
#147 Sheriff:
Basically that things can be twisted to make a point
4 Sep 2008, 12:48 pm
jeezuz, you okes can go on and on and on and on.
4 Sep 2008, 12:48 pm
Tot Leicester teen die Magtige Maties gespeel het, kan hulle nie hulself die wereld se beste klubspan noem nie
4 Sep 2008, 12:49 pm
#152 wernergreeff fanclub membership 3:
4 Sep 2008, 12:50 pm
#149 vindicated:
Your anxiety levels are definitely going up.
With that sort of turnaround time, the quality should be better. What are you having for lunch? Custard?
4 Sep 2008, 12:51 pm
#138 Sheriff: 600 seconds to reply, but I never thought of it as a race until you raised it
4 Sep 2008, 12:54 pm
#150 Richie_7:
Why would you want to twist things to make a point?
What purpose would it serve?
4 Sep 2008, 12:55 pm
#153 Richie_7: And for that matter the AB’s & Aussie club champs
4 Sep 2008, 12:57 pm
#148 vindicated: No sarcasim is to know it all.
Obviously the team you support gives you no backing to use the WC in any of your arguments.
They also fail you in the current IRB rankings.
Now with not foot to stand on and no base for solid arguments you use the tactic of reactive response to always win the small verbal battle. Yet if someone visit this site over a period of a few days they will notice that you say whatever suites your argument at that spesific point in time to win the verbal battle even if it means contradicting yourself.
So now its too late to apologise
4 Sep 2008, 12:58 pm
#156 Sheriff:
No, I was referring to the fact that you point out a 0 makes a big difference in the scoreline versus the Aussies, but the 0 in the 19-0 loss to the AB’s doesn’t seem to
4 Sep 2008, 12:59 pm
#155 vindicated:
Yeah, building a bit of pressure … see how you cope.
Hope we’re not gonna end up with a 53-8 scoreline. Cause right now I’m scroing tries left, right and centre!
4 Sep 2008, 12:59 pm
I wish you good luck Mnr Meyer ….. just hope you will not build this team for 10yrs, win a cup (that matters) only in your tenth year, and consider that a huge success.
4 Sep 2008, 13:00 pm
#161 Somdaka: interesting point you make. Is that how long he was with the Bulls?
4 Sep 2008, 13:04 pm
#159 Richie_7:
5 x 10 = 50 ; the nil in fifty there denotes ten times. Remember that.
Meanwhile your team has scored an emphatic victory against Somoa C.
Celebrate that.
4 Sep 2008, 13:06 pm
#159 Richie_7: If you take away the 0 in 19 – 0 you’re sitting with 19 which means nothing in rugby terms. If you take out the zero in 49 – 0 you have 49 which also means nothing? Sheriff’s has significant meaning when you remove the zero. Yours hasn’t so rather respond with a similar mathematical equation or give credit where it’s due.
4 Sep 2008, 13:06 pm
#158 adj nm: listen – this is not about my team
The point I was making is that to win a single tournament doesnt equate to being the best in the world – especially when there is one other team that has beaten that team twice in the same period
if you got yourself in trouble and got all sort of twisted up trying to justify your claim then please – dont try and blame me or my team as a way out
If you say something be prepared to be able to justify it with a proper thought process and a cohessive arguement structure
Otherwise you will end up chatting to me all day
and by the way I am still waiting for you to show me where i “keep on contradicting yourself”
4 Sep 2008, 13:06 pm
#165 vindicated: you’ve been owed
4 Sep 2008, 13:08 pm
#161 Somdaka:
You idiot. We have so few coaches actually winning something and then you keep criticing them. He was there 6 years i think and he won 4 ccups and a s14.
4 Sep 2008, 13:10 pm
#165 vindicated: “listen – this is not about my team”
LOL! you’ve got that right how can it be about your team. No WC 3rd in IRB rankings.
But hey compared to Namibia you’ve got some ammo. Take on someone from Nam. Sould make for a good argument.
4 Sep 2008, 13:11 pm
#167 Supa Die Bloubul:
gewag vir ‘n bloubul om te reageer. Was hy net 6jaar by die bulle? Maak nie rerig saak nie. Sy rekord is goed al was hy 20jaar by die bulle.
4 Sep 2008, 13:12 pm
#160 Sheriff: the point I made earlier about your own self importance – go have a think about it later
4 Sep 2008, 13:14 pm
#166 adj nm: are you a Tik user or a substance abuser ??
4 Sep 2008, 13:16 pm
#171 vindicated:
and there you go and proof my point. Give up like your team did.
4 Sep 2008, 13:17 pm
#169 adj nm:
Hyt in 2000 begin dink ek, toe fire hulle hom mos! Toe het Rudi Joubert oor geneem vir twee jaar as ek reg onthou. Hy was amper n tweede keer gefire – toe het hulle nie die geld om hom uit te betaal nie. en toe begin hy trofees wen.
4 Sep 2008, 13:18 pm
#172 adj nm:
Hier as jy tyd het lees dit:
1. so – some nostalgia from the man who is not good enough to coach the boks….
Blouforiese Bul-ondersteuners en verdwaasde Haai-aanhangers het die laaste kners-oomblikke van die Super-14-eindstryd soos die raampies van ’n fliek op stadige spoed voor hulle sien afspeel.
’n Spanningsriller van die regisseur Heyneke Meyer.
“Toe die Sharks score, toe dog ek dis verby,” vertel Heyneke vier dae later.
“Maar dit was, ek lieg nie vir jou nie, net twéé sekondes, toe gryp ek daai mike met die boodskap: die Sharks gaan mis skop, hou die bal, hou moed, ons gaan score. Dis karakter wat nou tel.
“Toe gaan die Sharks-lyn amper soos die Rooi See oop en Bryan skiet binnetoe. Toe hy hom druk, het ek begin huil.
“Ons was nie beter as hulle nie, ek weet. Maar ek’t al baie gesê: julle ken nie die Bulletjies nie. Moet hulle nóóit afskryf nie.”
Eintlik is die Bulls-wen al gemaak lánk voor laas-Saterdag. Verlede Desember al, op Kersdag, het hulle ’n dubbele oefensessie ingesit, want hulle’t geweet die ander spanne sou nie …
“Ek het toe al vir hulle gesê: nóóit weer gaan ons in die laaste minute verloor nie.”
Dis in hul koppe ingeprent, die week voor die eindstryd, met sy rekenaar-gemanipuleerde Rapport-voorblad van kaptein Victor Matfield wat die Super-14-beker omhoog hou.
Alles is saamgesmee voor die wedstryd, met Heyneke se laaste spanpraatjie. Een wat almal steeds aan die praat het.
“Elkeen het sy opdrag gekry. Jaco: jy’s die inspirerende een, bring dit veld toe. Bryan: jy’s die orkes se vioolspeler, gee ons iets spesiaals. Victor: jy’s die beste ter wêreld, wys jou leierskap. Gary, Wicus, Bakkies – my toe tappers – hou die ritme.”
So het Coach met sy manne gepraat.
Soos almal hom ken, het hy ook sy prekie gehad:
“Ek’t hulle vertel van die jong man wat in sy dorpie afgeshow het met sy mooi hart. Maar daar was ’n ou oom, jy kon sien hy’s hárd deur die lewe, en hy wys vir die jong man sy hart: vol gate, kneusplekke en littekens.
“ ’Sien jy die gate? As iemand in nood is, skeur ek ’n stuk van my hart vir hom uit. Die littekens is waar ander mense my gehelp het met ’n stuk van hul hart. Nee, seun, ’n ongeskonde hart is nie ’n mooi hart nie, en ons word net heel as ons deel.’
“Toe sê ek vir my span: ‘Boys, ons gaan sukkel, maar in die laaste minuut wen as ons harte reg is.’ Hulle staan toe in groepe van vier, haal simbolies ’n stuk uit hul hart en druk dit teen hul maat s’n. Vir mekaar.
“Die ouens het trane in hul oë gehad.”
En so het dit ook gebeur. In die kringetjie toe hulle wag vir die Sharks se doelskop, het hulle op hul harte geslaan, en Gary het gesê: dis nou tyd vir bul-harte.
Toe speel die Bulle hul harte uit . . .
Dis Heyneke Meyer wat gesorg het dat die Blou Bul nie meer van die vloer af eet nie.
Twee keer is hy al afgedank. Twee keer het hy terugbaklei. En nou stem Pretoria vir hom met hul voete. Op Loftus brul dit Saterdae met ’n gemiddeld van 42 000 toeskouers. Hy’t 18 eindstryde agter sy naam, sy span het vanjaar die meeste drieë tot nog toe gedruk in die Super-14 – dis ’n blou empire, dié van Heyneke Meyer.
“Daar’s niks meer wat ek kan bereik nie,” sê hy amper-verleë.
Behalwe Bok-afrigter . . . maar wie wil dit nou wees?
Hy lag maar net en kyk by sy kantoorvenster uit oor Loftus wat vandag groen en stil onder hom lê. Oral is foto’s en dankiebriefies van skoolkinders. Waaroor dit vir dié beskeie man gaan, **** jy by almal, is immers die ménse.
“Dit was my droom om Loftus so volgepak te sien. Rugby in Pretoria het weer begin lewe. Dit laat my voel ons het iets bereik. Dit voel so half . . . volbring.
“Saterdagaand was vir my ’n ongelooflike anti-klimaks. Almal vra of ons hard partytjie gehou het, maar die ouens is half vroeg weg vir Maandag se Bok-oefening.
“Nou sit ek alleen hier en dit voel: my kinders is wég. Ons SMS maar vir mekaar.”
Hy druk sy groot hand op die ronde, silwer-Super-14-beker, vaalgevat van al die hande.
Eintlik, sê hy met ’n growwigheid in sy stem, is dié ding net ’n stuk blik.
“Eintlik gaan dit oor die journey. Die swaarkry. Die lekkerkry. Hoe ons mekaar se lewe verryk het. Dis wat sukses is.
“My bekers kry ek oor tien, twintig jaar as ek hierdie ouens weer in die oë kyk en hulle’t self al kinders en die lewenslesse wat ek hulle geleer het, wys.”
Dis juis Bakkies Botha wat Heyneke laas naweek daaraan herinner het dat hy, ’n wilde voël uit spanner valley, nooit so sou uitgedraai het as dit nie vir sy coach was nie.
Daar’s Derick Hougaard. Afgeskryf as ’n eendagwonder, het Heyneke hom van die ashoop opgetel. “Hy en Pierre Spies is seker die talentvolste spelers wat ek ooit afgerig het.”
Daar’s Danie Rossouw, wat vir R500 000 meer by die Sharks nee gesê het om by Heyneke te bly. Wicus van Heerden het sy kapteinskap van die Leeus vir Heyneke verruil.
Vir hom sal hulle deur vuur loop.
Die blink skiet in Heyneke se oë.
“Maar hulle weet ek sal vir hulle ook . . .
“Ons is ’n span, hier’s nie ego’s nie.”
Dis hoekom dit hom so seermaak as mense sê die Bulls is arrogant, soos nou met die herrie oor Jaco (van der Westhuyzen) se manewales op die dwarslat en sy “***** is King”-T-hemp.
“Ons is nie eintlik ouens wat oor ons godsdiens praat nie. Dis binnekamer-dinge. Maar ons kom al sewe jaar saam, en ons wou net verskriklik dankie sê. Wen of verloor.
“Ek’t vooraf vir hulle gesê om te glo jy gaan wen, is soos om te bid vir reën sonder om ’n sambreel te bring. Jy moet wéét jy gaan wen.
“Toe kom Jaco daar aangehardloop met sy *****-hemp en sê: Kyk, coach, ek’t my sambreel saamgebring!
“Daai paalklimmery was ’n spontane, emosionele ding. Dit was sy laaste game in Suid-Afrika, hy’t gegroet.”
Sonder die sinergie wat die Bulls dié seisoen gehad het, sal die Bokke nooit kan wen nie, sê hy.
“Ek kritiseer niemand, maar ek wéét wat’s die geheim van mislukking: om almal te probeer tevrede stel. Jy’t verlede Saterdag gesien wat gebeur as ’n span een doelwit het, as ego’s nie saam op die veld draf nie.”
Só het Heyneke ook nog altyd ’n doelwit gehad. As plattelandse seun al het hy sy handtekening geoefen vir eendag as hy by die Springbokke is.
Hy’t ook gou geweet hy sal nie daar wees as speler nie, maar as afrigter. Hy’t op Tuks LO en sportsielkunde geswot omdat dit hom nader aan afrigting sou bring.
Aanvanklik is hy deur almal afgeskiet. Hy was nie ’n oud-Bok soos Rassie Erasmus of **** Muir nie, nie establishment nie, nie ’n Noord-Transvaalse professor of polisiebrigadier nie.
Net Heyneke Nobody van Nelspruit.
Sy eerste seisoene by die Bulle was maar bitter. Daar’s op hom gespoeg, hy’s met blikke gegooi, hy moes lyfwagte kry.
Die donkerste dag was 21 Mei 2002. “Terwyl die oudspelersvereniging teen my staak, het ek by die hospitaal ingestap met my pa eenkant met ’n sesdubbel-hartomleiding, en my vrou anderkant ná hulle die kanker moes uitsny.”
Benoud het Heyneke gewonder hoe hy die hospitaal gaan betaal as hulle hom afdank. “Ek kon net op my knieë gaan, daardie aand.”
Hy is nie afgedank nie, want hulle kon hom nie uitbetaal nie. Linda én sy pa het gesond geword. En Heyneke kon sy Bul-droom bewaarheid . . .
Van onder ruie wenkbroue kyk hy lank buitentoe, boontoe, na die yl waterdamp-spoor wat ’n vliegtuig teen Loftus se blou herfslug getrek het.
Laas naweek, sê hy stil, het sy lewe volsirkel geloop.
By die huis wag Linda en sy drie bulletjies. Hy skúld hulle, sê hy.
Die coach gaan nou huis toe.
4 Sep 2008, 13:21 pm
#170 vindicated:
Stay calm son.
Problem with you is this: you’re too easily intimidated. Believe in yourself.
Listen, carry on so long, back later. Will you do that for me?
4 Sep 2008, 13:22 pm
#172 adj nm: “proof my point” – what point have I proofed ??
The point that I have proofed is that you proofed yourself
4 Sep 2008, 13:24 pm
#175 Sheriff: have a think about – you’re a better man then the one you are trying to be
4 Sep 2008, 13:30 pm
#176 vindicated: The point you think you proofed just strengthens the point I’ve already made
4 Sep 2008, 13:35 pm
vindicated
has proved
no point
but maybe
he has poofed
his brooks
4 Sep 2008, 13:36 pm
#178 adj nm: you didnt proofed nothing
4 Sep 2008, 13:37 pm
Even with the ELVs conditions up north will play into HMs gameplan. Afterall HM will do what he knows best forward domination and Liefling to kick evrything away. I am glad that he is not Springbok coach but at the same time believe that he would be the ideal as forwards coach in the national team. A pity politics and egos did not let this happen.
4 Sep 2008, 13:37 pm
#177 vindicated: The more you trivialize the achievements of the 2007 Boks, the more we will rub your nose in it. There should never have been a 2007 tri-nations and even then we nearly beat your bunch with a B team (AWAY). If your team can’t qualify for the final then don’t blame us for winning the Cup. We are the World Champions – deal with it.
4 Sep 2008, 13:38 pm
#179 Porra: can you prove that you have the proof
otherwise we might all be proofed
4 Sep 2008, 13:40 pm
#180 vindicated: best comeback in ages! allow me time to regroup?
4 Sep 2008, 13:41 pm
#182 BokEd: I dont trivialize it – its you lot that are actuially doing that by claiming that winning the World Cup made you the best side in the world
Its a flawed arguement – and you all look rather silly still banging on about it less than 12 month later from 3rd place in the Tri-Nations
4 Sep 2008, 13:42 pm
i can smell it
all the way from
the land of
the free convict
australia
4 Sep 2008, 13:43 pm
#163 Sheriff:
I am. It was afterall teams like Samoa you were celebrating for beating in WC 2007
#164 adj nm:
19-0, I gave credit
4 Sep 2008, 13:44 pm
#180 vindicated: Are you a product of the Australian schooling system?
4 Sep 2008, 13:45 pm
#182 BokEd: and in your next breath you will likely say – there shouldnt have been a Tri-Nations in 2008 because ….. well I’ll leave the exuses to you lot cause your better at it then anyone else
4 Sep 2008, 13:46 pm
#187 Richie_7: bridge to far hey?
4 Sep 2008, 13:46 pm
#190 adj nm:
Not at all
4 Sep 2008, 13:46 pm
6 years and 1 s14 ……. wow!!!!!! that is fantastic Super Die Bloubul
4 Sep 2008, 13:47 pm
#187 Richie_7:
if the kiwis
made it to the final
we would have celebrated
beating them
as well
4 Sep 2008, 13:48 pm
#184 adj nm: take your time – when you are ready to proof to me that you proofed me wrong then I am ready
I will try anything once
4 Sep 2008, 13:49 pm
#191 Richie_7: most people struggle with maths – don’t beat yourself up about it.
4 Sep 2008, 13:52 pm
#195 adj nm:
I’m not, was just a stupid argument. Seems scorelines only matter to Saffas when they’re on the winning end. If they’re not, its brushed aside with the usual “but we’re world champs” lol
And this will be the answer to every debate for the next 4 years
4 Sep 2008, 13:54 pm
#194 vindicated: Einstein proofed his teory of relativity but you will never understand it even though its proofed.
But knowing you as someone who will rant on and on and on about something start from 124 and work your way down – it will come to you just be patient.
4 Sep 2008, 13:54 pm
#189 vindicated: We underachieved in 2008. The Wallabies have played very well with limited depth and the All Blacks have been absolutely fantastic in rebuilding and winning at the same time. Still not much separates the top 3 – but we are still World Champions. Can you feel it?
4 Sep 2008, 13:55 pm
#193 Porra:
Yeah sorry Porra, seems all the real games took place in the other road to the final. Besides, never been a shame losing to France.
Congratualtions again for the 10000th time on this blog for winning the world cup, but if the Boks were worth thier title you wouldn’t be here discussing the CC, now would you?
4 Sep 2008, 13:56 pm
#198 BokEd: you’re in danger of sounding like an Englishman post WC2003
4 Sep 2008, 13:58 pm
#200 vindicated: Did they beat the All Blacks in NZ? Did they get record winning margins against the Wallabies? You are in danger of sounding like a Kiwi ever since 1991.
4 Sep 2008, 13:59 pm
#198 BokEd:
hey hey, easy on the praise. The All Blacks have only looked good in the wins over Aus and Samoa. They’ve been pretty ordinary
4 Sep 2008, 13:59 pm
#198 BokEd: technically you have been underachieving since 2005 – your saving grace was an easy path through to the World Cup final – but after that you have reverted to type through 2008 with yet another 3rd place finish in the Tri-Nations
4 Sep 2008, 14:00 pm
#201 BokEd:
LOL 2 wins out of 6 and you’re still bleating about the record win against Aus and the win in NZ?
4 Sep 2008, 14:01 pm
#202 Richie_7: But they have been winning which is where PdV (6 or Nix) will come unstuck. We are setting ourselves up for a big choke.
4 Sep 2008, 14:02 pm
#196 Richie_7: Don’t get me wrong I agree with you – you can spin anything in anyway to proof your point.
Kinda what I’m trying to get into vindicated’s head.
Sheriff used a clever mathematical equation by using one scoreline.
All I highlighted is that your reply don’t fit his equation. It didn’t stop you from creating your own by using 19 – 0 and 49 – 0 or any other one that fits your argument.
4 Sep 2008, 14:03 pm
#201 BokEd: yes all good – I remember you also won a dead rubber against the All Blacks in Rustenburg
And the win in NZ – while it was good to win in Dunedin and all that, really needs to be kept in context
As do the following three games which were the ones you needed to win
4 Sep 2008, 14:05 pm
203 vindicated: Technically you lost on your “harder’ road to the final against WC 03 winners England, whom we beat 36 – 0. Explain that one for us?
#204 Richie_7: From the two bleating teams in the 3N, SA’cans are definitely not one of them.
4 Sep 2008, 14:07 pm
#208 shooter: don’t expect an answer from vindi anytime soon. It doesn’t suite his argument. But you make a very good point
4 Sep 2008, 14:08 pm
#206 adj nm:
Exactly, I twisted the number zero to suit my argument. That’s what i told Sheriff originally. Numbers can be manipulated to act in your favour
#208 shooter:
Hey hey, don’t bring their girlfriends into this
4 Sep 2008, 14:12 pm
#208 shooter:
So SA beat England in the WC, and England beat Aus in the WC, which means SA would have beaten Aus, or should be considered better, right? This is the point you were trying to make?
4 Sep 2008, 14:12 pm
#208 shooter: I was asked the same thing yesterday and I said Australia played poorly in the quarter finals and were rightly sent home early
Allthough I dont know why you choose to use the word “harder” road when talking about England
Are you suggesting that because England won in 2003 they had the right to still be thought of as World Champions and therefore tougher opposition – that arguement obvioulsy ignore the complete meltdown of English rugby post WC2003
Its strange that you would say that – are you subconciously trying to make another point ??
4 Sep 2008, 14:12 pm
#209 adj nm: vindicated only knows he knows very little.
#210 Richie_7: It wasn’t a good 3N for us. in fact, I think it could have gone alot better, but hey, the year is still not lost.
4 Sep 2008, 14:14 pm
#203 vindicated: “”your saving grace was an easy path through to the World Cup final”‘
….just read everything again, because you imply your road was harder, if then, we had an easy road.
4 Sep 2008, 14:15 pm
#213 shooter:
No disrespect, but SA have only had two good Trinations ever. The only thing that changes every year is their excuses
4 Sep 2008, 14:16 pm
#208 shooter: would you like me to go back through the threads here on Keo and copy and paste all the bleating from John Smit and Regan Hoskins during the current Tri-Nations
Do you want me to re-post all of PdV cheat claims – cheating Kiwis in the lineout – cheating Aussies in the scrums and the breakdown
I can also copy the blogger comments with reference to the above
Either you are ignoring reality or you got an incredibly short memory ability
And may I also say that to go back and read all of that stuff would probably be as embarrassing to you now as it was to the rest of us back then
4 Sep 2008, 14:16 pm
#211 Richie_7: Argentina would have beaten Oz at last years RWC.
4 Sep 2008, 14:19 pm
#212 vindicated: Assumptions. Plenty of them. Is that now okay to do? O I forgot it suites your argument.
4 Sep 2008, 14:20 pm
#217 BokEd: They would have also beaten the Kiwi’s
4 Sep 2008, 14:20 pm
#213 shooter: can’t agree more
4 Sep 2008, 14:21 pm
#219 It is just a game:
How do you reckon if you never played them?
4 Sep 2008, 14:22 pm
#219 It is just a game: For sure, but only if it was in the knock-out stage (choke choke). Anything in the pool games and the ABs will score a ton.
4 Sep 2008, 14:22 pm
#216 vindicated: If you’d be so kind. Please do. And remember you promised ALL of them. Don’t dissapoint.
4 Sep 2008, 14:22 pm
#216 vindicated: I know PdeV talks a lot of sh*t but the Aussies do cheat in the scrums. The Kiwis also said so not just the Boks.
4 Sep 2008, 14:22 pm
#215 Richie_7: That’s true that we haven’t been playing great 3N tournament rugby.
that’s why I’m glad PdV wanted to turn things upside down. Weighted winning ratios of 65% per year/games is just not good enough.
We should be adressing issues that will make the Springbok seriously feared team again. Regardless of the opposition. That has to do with our playing style. We’ve figured out how to win the world cup. Now all we need to do is implement a new! game, what we are doing. Hopefully, continuity can be brought about, and at the same time the mean standard/ benchmark is upped ito real fundamental play. What I mean -last sentence, is that we strive to win 40 /45, like the AB’s over an extended period of time.
4 Sep 2008, 14:23 pm
#221 Richie_7: The beat France twice.
4 Sep 2008, 14:23 pm
#221 Richie_7: Assumptions – its okay you can use it.
4 Sep 2008, 14:25 pm
#214 shooter: have a look at the draw – have a look at the seedings – the Boks were in a protected side of the draw
The number 1 and 2 ranked sides going into the tournament could not have played each other in the final – in the end it didnt matter as neither progressed through the quarter finals
Why do you think they have changed the seeding methodology for WC 2011
4 Sep 2008, 14:26 pm
Vindi, do you understand 208 now? after what I explained to you in 214? Would you like to comment on that?
4 Sep 2008, 14:27 pm
#228 vindicated: Seedings have nothing to do with winning the World Cup. You have to score more points than the opposition in all your games.
4 Sep 2008, 14:27 pm
#216 vindicated:
Yes please go do that copy paste thing.
We will wait for you..
4 Sep 2008, 14:28 pm
#228 vindicated: first you say that the boks had the easier route you’ve even called it a protected side of the draw can’t wait for your next spin. This you say to argue a point.
Then you say but in the end it didn’t really matter?
Now if that is not a contradiction then I don’t know?
4 Sep 2008, 14:29 pm
#226 It is just a game:
So by your reasoning Samoa C scored 14 points against the AB’s and SA scored nothing at Newlands. So it’s safe to assume then that Samoa C can beat SA?
4 Sep 2008, 14:29 pm
#228 vindicated: You see it didn’t matter. They were both too kak to actually make it to the business end. They had to settle the 7th and 8th spot. Why don’t we just scrap the whole tournament and just say that the teams ranking 1 and 2 in the world in 2010 should play 1 game and that will decide the World Champion. Rubbish. Rankings fly out the window at World Cup time and upsets happen.
4 Sep 2008, 14:29 pm
#231 Snoek: LOL his favourite – o but only if it suites him.
4 Sep 2008, 14:30 pm
#228 vindicated: And about an easier path. I dont think Tonga, Samoa and Fiji is a easy path. It might be easier to beat them but the chances of injuries (especially due to high tackles) are so much better.
4 Sep 2008, 14:31 pm
#233 Richie_7: Yes you can say that.
4 Sep 2008, 14:33 pm
#237 adj nm:
Not on your life chap. SA would kill that Samoan team from yesterday. That’s why I can’t understand the reasoning behind “SA beat France twice, so we would have beat the AB’s”
4 Sep 2008, 14:39 pm
#238 Richie_7: I agree with you. All I said is based on the previous bloggers reasoning you came to your conclusion. And its a fair conclusion even though you and I know its stupid.
4 Sep 2008, 14:40 pm
#233 Richie_7: Not exactly. We scored 53 points against OZ while NZ could only put 39 points past them in their last match. That means Samoa C can beat the Boks and the Kiwis.
4 Sep 2008, 14:40 pm
Who was the other big teams Aus had to play? Ah either way.
and Vindi, in the land of the blind. the one eyed is king, since you also keep on telling every one how one-eyed they are. so just listen, as your lipreading skills is zero. Aus and NZ and Eng and every single team in the world, their supporters at least, will bemoan any situation or event or events if they are losing or just lost.
Face it, even if you want to cover your ears, some of this so called complaining and cheating stuff, it’s all in the game, and some of it has merit, some don’t.
Fact 1 referees are even more afraid of the physical stuff than NZ and Aus. so we’ve been on the receiving end of some kuk decisions.
Fact 2 The travel issue that you antipodean bro’s always try to reduce to myth.
those are the two top factors (you’ll read excuses) that influenced most of the last few 3N.
4 Sep 2008, 14:40 pm
#234 BokEd: a better idea is to play the World Cup every 4 years as they do – but in addition add a World Champion trophy that is up for grabs on a yearly basis
The team that is number 1 on the IRB ranking log at 30th December is awarded the trophy and a fat prize packet
It would hapefully also go some way to ending the sending of b / c sides on outbound tours
4 Sep 2008, 14:41 pm
#241 shooter: are you trying to justify something or just repeating the same old excuses
4 Sep 2008, 14:44 pm
#241 shooter: I will tell you what also infulenced the last two Tri-Nations – it was South Africa’s inability to win games at home
no amount of travel based bullshit will change that fact
4 Sep 2008, 14:44 pm
#238 Richie_7: I’m talking about Argentina.
4 Sep 2008, 14:47 pm
#243 vindicated: you still waiting for me or should i make my own conclusion
I guess having nothing to say does say alot.
4 Sep 2008, 14:49 pm
#245 It is just a game: you do realise that your argument is stupid?
Using your method I can argue why the Griffons should have won the CC 12 years straight. (Its going to be difficult but its possible)
4 Sep 2008, 14:50 pm
#242 vindicated: That is another sure way to widen the gap between the 1st, 2nd and 3rd tier nations. That is ridiculous. We should scrap the tri nations for starters. It isn’t working and it is taking the privilege of watching the best teams in the world at their best. If it is recognition that the ABs want for their consistently brilliant results then they can just continue beating all and sundry week after week. No added bonus should be given. That is why the World Cup is given so much emphasis by them and why they choke at every attempt. What we need is to start including the have nots in some way and to play NZ and Oz bi-annually.
4 Sep 2008, 14:50 pm
And the reason you bang on about the World Cup is that when it comes to the true test of a team ability, when it comes to putting yourself up against the best – you cant cut the mustard, let alone the custard
How many years in a row finishing last in the Tri-Nations ?
is it 3 or 4 in a row
4 Sep 2008, 14:52 pm
Meyer is a **** coach. How long were the Bulls wooden spooners in the Super 14. How long? Please. Meyer coaches 10 man rugby and that’s why an english club would want him. More 10 man rugby.
4 Sep 2008, 14:54 pm
#249 vindicated: What is the big difference between finishing last and 2nd. Usually it is just 1 game. So usually out of all the losers Australia come 1st.
4 Sep 2008, 14:57 pm
#244 vindicated: Vindi, I’ve tried many various ways to speak to you.
the most concerning thing though… you have no comprehension of how language works. How intonation works. Basically anything to do with honour, civilness, plain regard or respect. So before this sounds like another attempt at a public beating, which you are so well known for, I’ll just stop.
If you cannot converse at times and use your discretion when to banter and when one is serious. you shouldn’t be here. You are pathetic man.
4 Sep 2008, 14:58 pm
#247 adj nm: Yes. Just as stupid as: “So by your reasoning Samoa C scored 14 points against the AB’s and SA scored nothing at Newlands. So it’s safe to assume then that Samoa C can beat SA?” I am saying Argentina could have beaten the All Blacks, because they beat France twice. My argument has nothing to do with points differences.
4 Sep 2008, 15:00 pm
#249 vindicated: No the reason why we bang on about the WC is because we have it. Its suites our argument. It is ours for 4 years come hell or high water.
Not the IRB rankings and not the 3N suites any of our arguments when we argue with a NZ-der.
When we argue with a Aussie we can use the WC, 3N and IRB rakings because ALL of them suites our argument.
NOW PRINT THIS OUT AND STICK IT AGAINST YOUR WALL.
IF you win the 3N 2008 I’ll be the firsts on this site and I will congratulate you. And then you can go on about the 3N and IRB rankings and we will still have our WC.
How does that sound?
4 Sep 2008, 15:02 pm
#251 BokEd: you’ll need to explain that one cause I dont get it
4 Sep 2008, 15:05 pm
#253 It is just a game: But its a stupid argument. How will you proof it? By having NZ play Arg today? Hell look at what SA did to Arg. Did it help us a week later in CPT?
4 Sep 2008, 15:06 pm
#254 adj nm: There is no ways the Wallabies will win the tri-nations. They were riding lady luck and the Deans myth for the begging of the year but their lack of depth and yellow underbelly has been exposed and NO team can come back from the pounding they received and win in Brisbane. All Blacks by 12 and only because they will be conservative.
4 Sep 2008, 15:06 pm
#244 vindicated: bullshit dripping down your lip.
4 Sep 2008, 15:08 pm
#249 vindicated: It’s also coming out of your nose now.
4 Sep 2008, 15:09 pm
#257 BokEd: I hear you but I’ve given someone my word that I will face up if Aus win. The fact is Aus are in with a chance. How big or small is up for debate. I’ll wait for the fat lady’s singing to end.
4 Sep 2008, 15:10 pm
#258 shooter: His regrouping – his been doing it quite a bit today.
4 Sep 2008, 15:11 pm
#255 vindicated: Sorry it was very poorly written. aaaagum – The Wallabies are pooh. The fact that their record in the 3N is very similar to Boks is proof enough that travel is a factor. Also the Wallabies don’t win the 3N much either so why harp on the fact that we finished LAST for the past 3 years. It makes no diff whether you finish 2nd or 3rd (you still lost).
4 Sep 2008, 15:12 pm
#261 adj nm: Spontaneously disconfoqie-ulated.
4 Sep 2008, 15:17 pm
#263 shooter: Vindi will be featured on KOTV after todays display. Shall we count?
4 Sep 2008, 15:18 pm
#262 BokEd:
That’s true! 2nd and 3rd are effectively the same
4 Sep 2008, 15:21 pm
#265 Richie_7: Loosers wine about their best. Winners go home and f$%k the prom queen.
Think that pretty much sums up 2nd and 3rd place.
4 Sep 2008, 15:24 pm
#264 adj nm: The problem with Vindi is that his skin is about as thick as his skull. about the same consistency as plywood. very brittle. He doesn’t realise how he comes across. What a problem for him. I agree, but he knocks himself out, and he never realises that some people are trying to be nice from time to time. keeps on making the stupidest remarks.
10
4 Sep 2008, 15:32 pm
Of Australia maybe Matt Gitaue (at 10) and Mortlock will make the SA side. Nobody else I’d want to see there. Tiquiri had a good year, but generally he is useless. Thats it. Maybe 3 players good enoug to play for SA. Even thoug they beat us by a few points on the log.
If I ad to choose a team tomorrow, nobody else of Aus would make it.
4 Sep 2008, 15:32 pm
#267 shooter: can’t agree with you more.
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4 Sep 2008, 15:33 pm
#268 shooter: Those 3 players and their coach. I’ll settle for that
4 Sep 2008, 15:37 pm
#267 shooter: Boet there is nothing wrong with Vindi. Genuine Wallaby supporters are hard to find in a country where synchronised swimming is more popular than rugby union. He no doubt shares the views of many other inbred criminals and it is funny how he is championing an All Black argument.
4 Sep 2008, 15:41 pm
#266 adj nm: do you want some whine with your meal sir ?
4 Sep 2008, 15:41 pm
HAVE A LOOK AT THIS:
******************************************************************************
From an aricle on News24:
“‘Man drought’ grips Australia
04/09/2008 09:37 – (SA)
Madeleine Coorey
Sydney – Australia is in the grip of a “man drought” where women increasingly outnumber men and a good bachelor is hard to find, according to new research from a leading demographer.
**************************************************************************************
Go and read the rest for yourself.
Cause some of them are here in SA. Arguing about unimportant things.
Can someone pls tell them: your country needs you.
Now we know why Aus lack depth in rugby. Their men are busy blogging…
LATER.
4 Sep 2008, 15:44 pm
In a perfect world Heyneke wouldnt have been my choice as Bok coach (unless Todd Louden or Eddie were his assistant) BUT he sure is better than incumbent idiot.
My only hope is that Peter DeVilliers actually bothers to learn from this season’s debacle.
He should read Argyris’s ‘Teaching smart people to learn’ – my only concern is that he may not be that smart….
4 Sep 2008, 15:45 pm
#273 Sheriff: There’s a big difference between men and boys. we’re at 6.
4 Sep 2008, 15:47 pm
#270 adj nm: Sounds as if Vindi agrees. 5
4 Sep 2008, 15:48 pm
#273 Sheriff: VINDICATED your country needs you!! we will try and get along without you, Dawn says she will even give you a lift to the airport (sorry Dawn)
4 Sep 2008, 15:50 pm
Invisiblicated is more like it. Crikey vindi. say something stupid, scratch that, just say something, I’m confident it will be rather stupid.
4 Sep 2008, 15:51 pm
#272 vindicated: you’ve now demoted yourself to a waiter?
The only Aussie carrying a bottle of champagne will be and Aussie waiter.
4 Sep 2008, 15:52 pm
Adj, supporting Freestate since 1979, I think dear vindi has been ruled TKO.
4 Sep 2008, 15:53 pm
#278 shooter: signs of life – but still flat on his back
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4 Sep 2008, 15:54 pm
#280 shooter: Yip – not much of a fight.
4 Sep 2008, 15:55 pm
#254 adj nm: Hahahaha. Good one. Just tell that vindicated. Gosh the guy just never listens does he.#243 vindicated: You know why we were the best team in the world last year? Its because we won the WC remember we were voted best team, best coach, best rugby player Bryan Habana. You can go on and on about why you think we were not but we have the medals and that little yellow cup to prove it. Now stop crying 53-8 sounds just wonderful too. Ab’s going to take your team apart next week.
4 Sep 2008, 15:56 pm
#267 shooter: why, when you cant make a convincing enough point do you turn to personal insults
Is it the sign of a man who feels the frustration of not being able to justify himself properly – is it a sign that you flawed arguement has been exposed and you have nothing else to add
and please —– Can your tell your lapdog adj nm to stop licking your nuts – its a discussing habit
4 Sep 2008, 15:56 pm
#273 Sheriff: Even if men out numbered women 2 to 1 a good bachelor will still be hard to find. They’ll all still be Aussies.
4 Sep 2008, 15:57 pm
he just went silent…. why will that be.
4 Sep 2008, 15:59 pm
oh, there you are. Which argument is that, you referring to. and ooh, how insulting you are. I understand 284 is in response 278?
4 Sep 2008, 16:00 pm
GRANT
hmmmm
same old, same old, i see
…
ok, just in case you’ve missed it, i’ve asked you to bring the article on why the boks have done so well (its on iol) to keo,
but
thus far, nothing
o, and i believe this guy agree with you guy’s point of view
…
so nothing to fear in that department!
4 Sep 2008, 16:00 pm
#284 vindicated: disgusting
4 Sep 2008, 16:01 pm
#266 adj nm:
Yup, the pretty much sums it up
4 Sep 2008, 16:01 pm
#289 vindicated: disgusting?
4 Sep 2008, 16:02 pm
#284 vindicated: Brilliant! Please allow me some time to go and rework my game plan.
4 Sep 2008, 16:04 pm
he should start by sacking himself and employing PDV as coach.Only then will Leicester be the best.To be the best you have to be coached by the best
4 Sep 2008, 16:05 pm
#289 vindicated: stop bashing yourself – there’s other people here that is doing it for you.
4 Sep 2008, 16:06 pm
#291 shooter: Vindi now has gone full circle in my books.
amusing – annoying – idiot – amusing
4 Sep 2008, 16:06 pm
284. Is it a bird, is it a plane, no it’s a sign!
When you open up your eyes you’ll see the sign. Vindi, you are the bleakest wink.
#294 adj nm: hhaah. I’m outta here.
4 Sep 2008, 16:07 pm
#295 adj nm: Yes, I actually enjoyed some talking to him this afternoon, strangely enough.
4 Sep 2008, 16:09 pm
#297 shooter:I’m embarrassed to say me too.
4 Sep 2008, 16:10 pm
Let’s just make the 300.
I still wouldn’t want to live in Ireland though.
4 Sep 2008, 16:11 pm
300?
4 Sep 2008, 16:11 pm
Personally I would never let a dog lick my nuts, they would choke to death. I have had to be very carefull after an unfortunate incident with an Albanian stripper..
4 Sep 2008, 16:11 pm
It will only be fair if Vindi can get the 300. His achieved nothing else here today.
4 Sep 2008, 16:12 pm
Guys, let give the bloke a break.
He has been on this particular thread (on and off but mostly on) since 11h11.
That’s a solid 5 hours.
The only problem is he usually starts the rubbish.
4 Sep 2008, 16:13 pm
#300 asha1: and now asha 1 has beat him to it. Poor old Vindi
4 Sep 2008, 16:15 pm
#303 Sheriff: he deserves a break. now that he also missed the 300.
4 Sep 2008, 16:15 pm
What’s it with Dawn today?
On and off… on and off…
4 Sep 2008, 16:17 pm
What can we break for you?
4 Sep 2008, 16:19 pm
Hey, you 3 the same 3 from Ellis Park the other day? I see you ganging up on Vindi……
4 Sep 2008, 16:21 pm
Just read an article in the times – page 33. Very interesting.
4 Sep 2008, 16:24 pm
#308 Richie_7: Wonder what the reward will be?
4 Sep 2008, 16:26 pm
#308 Richie_7:
Vindi-custard’s little fight today is nothing in comparison with what you had the other day, would you go with that?
4 Sep 2008, 16:28 pm
#311 Sheriff:
Yeah, I got jumped from all ends. But the next day it was business as usual – no hard feelings
4 Sep 2008, 16:30 pm
#309 adj nm:
info?
4 Sep 2008, 16:31 pm
#312 Richie_7:
Why didn’t you want to accept my advice on the day?
4 Sep 2008, 16:34 pm
#314 Sheriff:
Which was?
4 Sep 2008, 16:37 pm
#315 Richie_7:
Relax mate.
I suggested that you should basically say “guys, my apol if I offended anyone – let’s move ” I even apol to Rugbyrulz to show you how it’s done.
You could have cut the process in half, time-wise anyway.
4 Sep 2008, 16:40 pm
Its to whole race card thing. I hate talking about it, but its this black rugby writer who critised PdV on his game plan and then PdV didn’t counter with a rugby argument but just called him a coconut
4 Sep 2008, 16:42 pm
#316 Sheriff:
The truth is I wasn’t sorry. I can choose to support whoever I like; they seemed to take exception to this. But the norm on this blog is for everybody to gang up on the individual who has a different opinion or view and then insult him. As soon as you turn the tables on them they threaten you with reporting you and all that.
I actually found it quite amusing that 4 or 5 guys were getting upset because I supported a different team to them. So yes, I didn’t apologise because I wasn’t sorry. My opinion didn’t hurt anybody until they insulted me, and I then simply fought fire with fire
4 Sep 2008, 16:43 pm
I sense there is some sort of “blogger boycott” in progress here today. I feel like a scab, and the itching doesn’t help.
4 Sep 2008, 16:43 pm
#317 adj nm:
wow, really? The same PDV who called the ex All Black a racist forr criticising him?
4 Sep 2008, 16:49 pm
#318 Richie_7:
Fair enough.
No long term damages from what I can gather. In a sense, I appreciate it more when a guy takes a hammering like that only to be back the next day to start on a clean slate.
Shows resilience. My style is pretty simple: I’m abrasive during the game, but can always have a beer with you afterwards.
4 Sep 2008, 16:59 pm
us porras
we have a beer
with you
but if there’s
enough of us
we’ll bliksem you
regardless
4 Sep 2008, 17:07 pm
#322 Porra: LMAO
4 Sep 2008, 17:16 pm
#319 gunther: yes, true. the heavy weight boxers is leaving this site. Keo is thinking where is he gonna get another lot of fast talking rugby bloggers. Maybe there’s a new site somewhere. w.w.w.TheFirm.co.za. This brawling is just not right. maybe there is a new vakbond, what’s that again in english, and they must stay away.
Blogstrike, I’ve said it this afternoon already. Without them to write about and around. Maybe the threads aren’t interesting enough today. Maybe Keo don’t give away enough of his Click$ in test tickets for them to be bothered anymore to blog. It can be many things, Gunther, maybe they’re all in the Alps, maybe they all have more than one name, and Richie for instance is Dawn. Like a ventriliquist, if you know what I mean.
4 Sep 2008, 17:23 pm
#303 Sheriff: dont you ever feel like you need to give me a break – what is it with you and you important sense of self – you’re a real nutcase !!!!
4 Sep 2008, 17:26 pm
#324 shooter:
Yeah we missed the regulars here today.
Are we in transition?
4 Sep 2008, 17:33 pm
#325 vindicated:
Champions have high levels of self-efficacy.
It always comes across as arrogance, but champions are comfortable with other champions.
Look into this a bit more. Make it a side project with the rest of your studies.
Will make sense then.
4 Sep 2008, 17:39 pm
#326 Sheriff: Is that a rhetoric question?
4 Sep 2008, 17:40 pm
#328 shooter:
Could be. But what say you?
4 Sep 2008, 17:44 pm
They were absent today, no denying that. I thought ‘Arme WP’ was old Wptid, striking resemblance and funny as another thing. But now I’m not so sure. It really is a big co-incidence that alot of the well known okes are not present. And like any good low strapper, I don’t believe in co-incidence. That is where the word incident originated from…
4 Sep 2008, 17:47 pm
If you maybe meant if we are in transition as a country because of them, I don’t know. The worst post in the history of blogging kind was Snoek’s contribution of today, I suspect some may have views like that on my ramblings and other similar nonsensical posts, for instance. Look what is happening here, already we are self analysing. Maybe that is the idea here.
4 Sep 2008, 17:49 pm
Maybe Ryan’s use of the word “brace’ for the xillionth time was the final straw that broke the camel’s back.
4 Sep 2008, 17:50 pm
The mary month of maybe.
4 Sep 2008, 17:55 pm
#330 shooter:
Shooter, you and your theories
I think it is an interesting situation, but guess that people are very busy and also tired.
I refer to the tiredness part as “blogger’s fatigue”. The whole debacle with WPTID and WP Till I Die was also interesting, I remember 2x apologies in capitals. Is the “firm” at a crossroad? Time will tell. Their PR is normally good and most things are handled “internally”
The rest is a ripple effect really. Bloggers generally get the mood of what’s going down before actually logging in. So if it’s quiet, some will simply say, ok I’ll check back later. And so on.
You must look at members vs guests ratios; normally (not always) 1:5; many of the guests are those checking out where to land.
That’s my guess.
4 Sep 2008, 17:58 pm
#334 Sheriff: where there is a smokey there is dancing, like they say here in north.
4 Sep 2008, 18:01 pm
#331 shooter:
co-incidence is like a assumption
4 Sep 2008, 18:01 pm
#327 Sheriff: you dont strike me as arrogant
4 Sep 2008, 18:03 pm
#334 Sheriff: maybe its cause you’re out of the Tri-Nations and all there is for you now lot is the Currie Cup
that and shopping trips with the wife
4 Sep 2008, 18:09 pm
CHEERS GENTS!
Wife you say. What’s your alternative, the hand?
4 Sep 2008, 18:11 pm
#339 Sheriff: yes, he speaks to the hand all the time
4 Sep 2008, 18:13 pm
#336 Fern: howdy Fern.
het jy al daai Johanny Cash song gehoor, ‘a boy named Sue’.
How do you do? My name is Sue, now you’re gonna die!!!’
Wil gese’ het, how do you do, toe dink ek daaraan.
4 Sep 2008, 18:15 pm
ek bedoel obviously, Johnny.
4 Sep 2008, 18:15 pm
#339 Sheriff: whats yours – Shooters hand ??
4 Sep 2008, 18:18 pm
Did any one mention that Heineke Meyer tore his ligaments in a friendly sprint between coaches. Seriously. Yesterday or the weekend.
4 Sep 2008, 18:19 pm
#343 vindicated: well, metaphorically he has a shooters’ hand, being a shreiff and all.
4 Sep 2008, 18:22 pm
Like Marat Safin will say, speak to the backhand.
4 Sep 2008, 18:25 pm
#341 shooter:
nog nie daai song gehoor nie.
het al so n episode oorleef.
die boy was net n girl.
psycho dizzy ******
mar daai is n preek vir n ander dag
4 Sep 2008, 18:27 pm
#347 Fern: Ha, jy het dit seker verdien?
4 Sep 2008, 18:32 pm
#348 shooter:
fokol
ek is nie n sielkundige nie.
hoe de volk moes ek geweet het sy het n gesplete persoonlikheid…
nooi my oor na haar plek,sluit die deur oop.
ek gaan in en sy ruk n 9mm uit druk hom tussen my oge,gaan n gedaanteverwisseling deur en se in n ander stem vir my ek vrek vanaand hier.
4 Sep 2008, 18:41 pm
#349 Fern:
karma kan mens inhaal, haha, nee ek joke, dit is verseker psycho. Ek sal die storie eendag by jou uitvind. Intussen, wees maar versigtig vir die girls wat jou kan wen met armdruk.
Ek gaan cruise. Cheers tot later.
4 Sep 2008, 18:47 pm
#350 shooter: tot more
4 Sep 2008, 19:00 pm
#351 vindicated: bye vindi. look at the bright side of life, you’re not living Aus. In SA there are all types of doctors and life can be surprisingly nice if you are. Don’t think twice, be nice, I have legal advice. anyway Mufkop, cheers.
4 Sep 2008, 19:15 pm
Waar is Skop. laat hy kom lees oor ‘n oordentlike Coach!!!!
4 Sep 2008, 20:17 pm
#352 shooter: thanks for the insight into your personality today – its been enlightening – cheers koekkop
5 Sep 2008, 04:43 am
#268 shooter: Shooter, and that ****** bunch beats SA consistently? You make me think of Jake (of which I’m a fan incidentally) with his famous Ireland comment.
5 Sep 2008, 08:49 am
This guy is unbelieveable. He makes millions telling the world how **** SA Rugby is, then wants them to create a job for him to take him back. Jake White is an a$$hole.
Jake White won’t let up
Thu, 04 Sep 2008 15:49
World Cup-winning coach Jake White is determined to have an involvement with the Springboks once again, despite his list of grievances with the South African Rugby Union (SARU) last year.
Even after the Springboks’ ever-convincing 53-8 Tri-Nations victory over Australia last weekend, White has increased calls for him to be appointed in a new-look role as director of rugby within SARU.
White stepped down from the Springbok coaching seat shortly after their World Cup successes last year, and then released his autobiography which revealed a host of grievances he had with SARU during his tenure as head coach.
All that seems a thing of the past now, as White is adamant to return to the fold, in a role which would support the Bok coaching staff – which is headed by the irrepressible Peter de Villiers.
De Villiers on the other hand is currently set for a routine post-Tri-Nations debrief with the SARU bosses.
“As you are now aware I am promoting the idea of a ‘Director of Rugby’ in order to facilitate an easier succession and assist the coaching staff,” White wrote on his blogspot page.
“This is not meant to be in competition or as boss of the current coaching staff but rather as a sounding board to the coaches.
“That is why I was at pains to point out that this would add value without usurping the role, functions or decision-making powers of the coaching staff.
“Just as I needed Eddie Jones’ experience to bring home the 2007 World Cup, so too can Peter de Villiers and the coaches benefit from mine.
“The common goal is after all to make the Springboks the number one team in World rugby.”
The prospect of White having a future role with SA rugby seemed unlikely on the release of his controversial book late last year – as SARU president Oregan Hoskins initially quashed the proposal last week, stating that a ‘directors’ role didn’t exist within the national setup.
However, Hoskins seemed to have softened his stance soon after, saying that SA rugby personnel would debate the merits of the said position.
White described the Springboks’ record victory in Johannesburg as an “outstanding achievement”, saying it highlighted just what a talented group of players the current squad possesses.
White said it was important that the hard work did not end with the record win over the Wallabies, and that South Africa needed to work on its consistency.
“The next step is to build on that victory which means that right now we have to look back and see why the team did not perform as it can on a regular basis,” White wrote.
“We need to sort out the problems that are holding us back and result in us underachieving. One result will not provide the answer to those questions.
“We need to establish the things that are holding us back and why they are occasioning defeats on one Saturday and victory on the next.
“We have to be consistent and that comes from identifying where these problems are. There is a world of difference between losing and being beaten,” White adde
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