Cyberspace mag? You decide
22 Sep 2008
Would you be interested in subscribing to an online edition of SA Rugby magazine?
Please visit http://www.keo.co.za/pages/ for a sample of an online edition and let us know what you think.
If you live in SA would you rather read the mag online or in print? And how much would you be prepared to pay for the online version?
How many of you who live overseas, and aren’t prepared to pay for a print subscription, would consider the online version instead?
Post your comments below.
136 Comments
22 Sep 2008, 07:11 am
Dragonnnnnnnnnns! Good morning to all ya Dragons! Haven’t been here for a few days – only had a few “look-ins”.
Concerning the CC……… Imo humble opinion……it will be a Bulls vs WP final!
Sharks:
Current position: 1st
Best possible finish: 1st
Worst possible finish: 2nd
Remaining fixtures:
Sept 27: v Lions, away
Oct 4: v Griquas, home
Blue Bulls:
Current position: 2nd
Best possible finish: 1st
Worst possible finish: 3rd
Remaining fixtures:
Sept 27: v Griquas, away
Oct 3: v Falcons, home
Lions:
Current position: 3rd
Best possible finish: 1st
Worst possible finish: 5th
Remaining fixtures:
Sept 27: v Sharks, home
Oct 4: v WP, away
Western Province:
Current position: 4th
Best possible finish: 3rd
Worst possible finish: 5th
Remaining fixture:
Sept 27: v Boland, away
Oct 4: v Lions, home
Cheetahs:
Current position: 5th
Best possible finish: 3rd
Worst possible finish: 5th
Remaining fixtures:
Sept 26: v Falcons, away
Oct 4: v Boland, home
22 Sep 2008, 07:13 am
As on overseas person I would be interested in subscribing online.
22 Sep 2008, 07:15 am
I would really be interested in posting on the new Bulls thread. Why are the comments off?
22 Sep 2008, 07:16 am
Cyberspace mag?
No thanks – specially if it is all “cut&pasted” from other sites/journalists.
22 Sep 2008, 07:19 am
Will it be cheaper? There are no printing and postage costs?
22 Sep 2008, 07:20 am
It’s hardly a “cyberspace mag” if it’s just copied PDF’s from the original magazine. There’s a reason why web layout is different to print layout. Anyway, a website IS a “cyberspace mag” (just without the geeky moniker).
22 Sep 2008, 07:20 am
Definitely very interested if it’s coming over at a pretty decent price.
Yes, it’ll be great if it was free, but not everything off the internet needs to be totally free to be worth it.
22 Sep 2008, 07:43 am
I am based in Hong Kong, will definately subscribe. SA rugby is such soap story that it will be great to have a online mag. Beat’s paging through some blogger stuff to get useless often inaccurate info.
22 Sep 2008, 07:45 am
Yes I would because after 6 emails to your subscription section without ANY replies, seems this will be the only way to get the mag overseas.
22 Sep 2008, 07:51 am
why comments closed on…bulls bank on help from foes…..? Swings and roundabouts..If Province makes it into the semi’s you can bet your bottom dollar they are going to kick butt – no matter where it is played. After been down and out the pride and joy of SA rugby is back….
22 Sep 2008, 07:55 am
Great stuff, 1 US dollar per month for the online version and Im in
22 Sep 2008, 07:55 am
If it’s online, what will I read while I’m on the throne?
22 Sep 2008, 07:56 am
#12 Henri F: Loslyf
22 Sep 2008, 07:56 am
I would subscribe but only if able to print the whole magazine to take away and read on the trains. I’m guessing the ability to only do one page at a time is for the demo.
22 Sep 2008, 07:57 am
Absolutely.
The cost of international shipping makes the mag prohibitively expensive.
22 Sep 2008, 08:00 am
#15 Sucaballuc: I suppose thats if you can get them to actually send you the mag…
22 Sep 2008, 08:12 am
Yes, I would pay for an online subscription. Very convenient, and no postal delays. I am now in the position of asking my family to buy me a monthly copy, which means I only get to read them all when I come back to SA for christmas…
22 Sep 2008, 08:16 am
One thing though – I looked at the download option, which seems pretty daft, you can only download one page at a time. A consolidated PDF would be great.
22 Sep 2008, 08:17 am
Oh, and being able to purchase electronic “back copies” in the archives would be good as well.
22 Sep 2008, 08:21 am
I wouldnt go for the online mag – I prefer the print.
22 Sep 2008, 08:24 am
Sure will…..
22 Sep 2008, 08:25 am
# Staal:
Beg to differ….
If the Sharks beat the Lions and a week later the WP beat them…. Its a Bulls WP semi….
22 Sep 2008, 08:28 am
Infact if the Lions beat us… then they will end 3rd… meaning the WP still play the Bulls…
22 Sep 2008, 08:30 am
Ah…. nobody wants to play with me….
22 Sep 2008, 08:31 am
I registered Just to Say : YES PLEASE!
22 Sep 2008, 08:35 am
Nah!
Can’t take the laptop to the crapper or read it in bed.
I’ll stick with the hard-copy.
22 Sep 2008, 08:40 am
#26 blhoo:
Well techically you can – you are just not allowed to
22 Sep 2008, 08:40 am
sure, but make sure it is compatible with ebook format so it can be read on iphone etc. searchable, indexed archive would be nifty as well.
22 Sep 2008, 08:44 am
i like it…good for the environment as well…keo-friendly go-green
22 Sep 2008, 08:47 am
#27 Rugby_Princess:
22 Sep 2008, 08:48 am
Would be nice; could log in via my phone anywhere and read my magazine
22 Sep 2008, 08:48 am
Yes, I would be interested in subscribing, HOWEVER, what worries me is the accuracy of some of your articles. For example, Saterday Grant Ball indicated in his article on the KEO website that the Lions won 29 – 10 against Boland whilst the score was actually 31 -10. Yes, I know the difference is only 2 points, but it is still INCORRECT information. This was also not the first time KEO indicated incorrect scores on its website. Please be careful as many rugby fanatics need the correct scores.
22 Sep 2008, 08:48 am
do something in conjunction with kuduclub? are they affiliated?
22 Sep 2008, 08:53 am
#32 Bullsmaakseer:
Yip and Ryan also said the Cheetahs got 7 when infact they got 5…..
22 Sep 2008, 09:05 am
#34 THE MAULER: Hey, we need all the points that we can get.
22 Sep 2008, 09:18 am
Nicely setup, but still need a printed mag! Nothing beats that.
22 Sep 2008, 09:19 am
#35 Loosehead: I don’t mind the score as I watch myself.
Can’t stand Keo making predictions, especially that the Bulls will win.
He always puts a jinx on them.
22 Sep 2008, 09:23 am
I would like to subscribe to this magazine although I do not like the way it has presented. You should just do it as a series of HTML pages. The current pages show up in a strange way in my browser (firefox).
22 Sep 2008, 09:23 am
#37 blhoo: He sadly got it right last week.
22 Sep 2008, 09:38 am
I think its a brilliant idea for the overseas guys, but for me personally, I prefer getting a magazine in print, and aging through it. Reading the mag, paging through it for me is much better than reading an online version.
22 Sep 2008, 09:45 am
#39 Loosehead: Sure. but 1/100 ain’t good.
22 Sep 2008, 09:47 am
no becuse it’ll use up too many mb’s to download so i’ll end up paying more. prefer the mag
22 Sep 2008, 09:49 am
#35 Loosehead:
hehe
22 Sep 2008, 09:58 am
It’s way too slow mate 7 that’s on a commercial cable connection.
22 Sep 2008, 10:02 am
How will you prevent it getting emailed around once someone bought it? (if it’s downloadable)
Anyway I live in SA and I wouldn’t be interested in the online version
22 Sep 2008, 10:02 am
#40 Craig Goosen: easier on the eyes too.
22 Sep 2008, 10:07 am
If I were to subscribe I would like to be able to download the whole mag in one pdf, not per page as it currently stands. I would also insist on being able to download it, cause if I pay, I want to be able to view anytime anywhere.
22 Sep 2008, 10:09 am
It will be a bit inconvenient to have to take your laptop to the crapper for a good read…
22 Sep 2008, 10:15 am
There’s nothing better than buying the mag every month! How are you going to read it in the bath:)
22 Sep 2008, 10:21 am
#46 the peanut gallery:
Absolutely. I enjoy reading online articles, but a physical magizine is much better
22 Sep 2008, 10:27 am
#48 King Shark:
Agreed
22 Sep 2008, 10:37 am
been asking for this for ages. What about selling the subscription at the same price as the mag. Would it be possible to get back issues online as well?
22 Sep 2008, 10:47 am
Hi all, been a long while since I was last in the online mix – ….. ah the great outdoors. I recommend it asap al you city slickers!
I was at a farm with no cell reception and a scratchy line, so decided to listen to the crazy sounds of the night.
Anyway, yes to the online mag edition. Also less of a footprint then the irrigation-to-tree-to-chainsaw-to-truck-to-warming gasses-polution-to-factory-to-chemicals-to-more warmin polution-to-paper plastic based gloss-chemicals- to print etc..etc… etc….
22 Sep 2008, 10:52 am
#53 zeitgeist: hmm, good point and being an eco warrior i likes, but where is the energy coming from to power all the computers?
also, at least the trees act as a carbon sink before they are harvested.
so many variables. its the 11th hour.
22 Sep 2008, 10:54 am
#53 zeitgeist: on that note, i will be in the maputo elephant reserve, braaing prawns on my campfire in three weeks time.
22 Sep 2008, 10:57 am
Yes im interested. Make it free – rahter put some ads in there to cover the cost
22 Sep 2008, 11:09 am
#54 rangerman: lol…. we did make the back ground black to same power
22 Sep 2008, 11:11 am
The online version will never replace the print copy, I see a lot of you want you would like past issues. how far back are we talking?
22 Sep 2008, 11:17 am
#57 Roy: hehe, like that google version?
thats outstanding roy!
22 Sep 2008, 11:18 am
#58 Roy: its a good idea for many expats. its a great mag but i expect a few baffled bosses around the world as internet usage spikes every month
22 Sep 2008, 11:26 am
#54 rangerman: Maputo sounds great, was there in 1999. Stayed on an island, only camping avail, had to fetch water from a well. Lots and lots and lots of fish. They would practically jump from the reef onto your braai! Unbelievable that places like that still exist.
Thought of that too, but the power for computers is so small the footprint is negligeable compared to even a walk to your CNA for a newspaper. Also carbon sink is better left in place then chopped down. At some point I am looking to buy a home wind-turbine solution. All power supplied in Cape Town conditions. Except heating – then solar for geyser, but on grid at times. Cooking methods too – to cook rice can take 40 mins, but if you use the wrap technique all you need to do is bring it to the boil in a few mins, wrap in a thermal blanket and in 20 mins you will have a steaming pot of fluffy rice/lentils/whatever etc cooked to perfection.
22 Sep 2008, 11:26 am
who cares
22 Sep 2008, 11:32 am
#61 zeitgeist: ja, all valid points.
i import a fluorescent energy saving system to south africa and we have had some successes with some large industrials. it is hard to break into a market but the large consumers/industrials are who we target as they have the biggest impact.
you were probably on inhaca island? the wife and i will camp south of the bay of maputo, in northern maputaland. the elephant reserve has about 250 eles that survived the war, but not much else. spectacular and isolated.
22 Sep 2008, 11:35 am
For my first page through I always take it to the bathroom.
Just in case I **** myself laughing if there is a photo of yet another attacker running straight over Liewe Lukie…….
22 Sep 2008, 11:40 am
#64 blhoo: or if Ollie opens his mouth.
22 Sep 2008, 11:45 am
No, please not. I am in the bush more than at home and have limited time on the net. I enjoy just sitting and reading and getting away from clients and other distractions
22 Sep 2008, 11:54 am
Not a bad idea at all.I am based overseas and have to wait longer to get my copy.This way I can read the mag whenever I want online.Access to past issues is a bonus.
22 Sep 2008, 11:57 am
Make it free and support it with advertising – thats the model that seems to work
22 Sep 2008, 12:01 pm
#68 vindicated: morning, where ya been?
22 Sep 2008, 12:08 pm
#68 vindicated: are we not on speaking terms?
22 Sep 2008, 12:22 pm
#63 rangerman: Ja Inhaca is the one!
22 Sep 2008, 12:29 pm
#68 vindicated: this is sa. no business will give you anything for free. you just get shafted from pillar to post.
22 Sep 2008, 12:44 pm
Overseas reader here, I think it’s a great idea!
Ad supported and free would be great, perhaps releasing them slower than the print based mags so not to detract from the traditional business.
22 Sep 2008, 12:46 pm
As an overseas resident I would definately subscribe to online mag. Hard copy is always better but I have never managed to subscribe to it and where I am I know for a fact I would only receive my January copy in Febuary or March!!
22 Sep 2008, 12:46 pm
#68 vindicated:
But then how will keo sponsor his visits to Carlucci’s?
22 Sep 2008, 12:49 pm
I think it is a good idea…I would read it. I would pay a subsription fee only if there is no cut and paste articles. Articles must be exclusive to the magazine.
Then go one better…on the online version you add Keo forum to each article. You will definitely get visitors as well as you guys can measure your content and popularity.
22 Sep 2008, 12:50 pm
Roy,
A very good idea Roy,
keep the basic Mag format, but with the odd extra Cyber/Keo type article.
i.e.
An Introductory article on yourself Roy.
Headline it………………”Meet the Mother that Shafted Skoppie’.
22 Sep 2008, 12:50 pm
#68 vindicated: This would only work if the volumes where huge + we can’t change the mag for the digital views, it must be the same as the print copy
22 Sep 2008, 12:57 pm
In the interests of freedom of information, I’d like to know who e-mailed Roy and threatened legal action if skoppie was not red-carded.
22 Sep 2008, 13:00 pm
Do both. Those who subscribe to the hardcopy get free access to online version but no download available. Also as someone said – make online version only available a few days later than hardcopy release.
Online version must be much cheaper. Small premium charged for download. ?
22 Sep 2008, 13:20 pm
Hi Simon
Good idea. I won’t buy/read it online myself but my feeling is someone overseas would. I’d rather have the mag in my hands on a Sunday afternoon, with a cold beer next to me – just doesn’t have the same effect doing the same on my laptop
Maybe a model to follow is the same that the Mail & Guardian does – have a look at http://www.mg.co.za. Also, might be worth your while to give them a call. Sure they have some insghts for you to learn from…
Still, if there was opportunity for me to make comments on articles, mag layout, new features etc – I would consider it more.
Keep up the good work!
22 Sep 2008, 13:32 pm
i’ll only subscribe to this mag
..
if we’re able to edit it!
22 Sep 2008, 13:33 pm
Hey guys, as an expat I would definately subscribe as long as the price is reasonable and I can download the whole doc in on go.
22 Sep 2008, 13:33 pm
Yebo yesssssssss, I’d like to subscribe to the Online Mag……. most often too lazy to go buy the damn Printed version at the shops……. I hateeeeeeeeee shopping.
So make the Online Mag the same price and I’m in !
22 Sep 2008, 13:33 pm
yeah i’d subscribe, but how secure is the site going to be? last thing u want is wedge dissapearing into the Fern – Back from the dead – Biltong, bank account.
22 Sep 2008, 13:33 pm
#79 WP Till I Die: Was Dawn nie voor op die bandwagon met die Skoppie-saga nie?
22 Sep 2008, 13:34 pm
I live out of SA and would go for it, if the format was convenient and you didn’t try to rip off everyone outside SA with the ridiculous theory “they are earning dollars, pounds etc”. Also as the ads are irrelevant to us expats you need to think of a way just to provide content or ads that are meaningful. Overall it is a good idea though and I look forward to hearing more.
22 Sep 2008, 13:45 pm
The online magazine is an wesome idea – easier on the environment and easy to get to (for us Safas overseas)! Please do it! Please please please
22 Sep 2008, 13:58 pm
Not sure why, but enjoyed the latest one with Beast on the cover.
Good review on PdV.
22 Sep 2008, 14:02 pm
#89 Sheriff: what was their conclusion on PDV’s start?
22 Sep 2008, 14:07 pm
#90 Big Hit:
They looked at several aspects. He failed most, but passed a few.
22 Sep 2008, 14:08 pm
#91 Sheriff:
Did he pass the “entertainment value” segment?
22 Sep 2008, 14:14 pm
#92 WP Till I Die:
Did not read in detail, read it last week some time.
Personally, I want PdV to do his talking on the field. Off the field the following apply: less is more
It’s a pity that the Boks did not respond quicker. Hopefully it will pay off next year.
22 Sep 2008, 14:15 pm
Sounds like a great idea.
22 Sep 2008, 14:17 pm
#91 Sheriff: fair enough, I think he and his coaching team are definitely worth persisting with for the NH tour but they need to reproduce the performances like the one v Aus last time out.
22 Sep 2008, 14:21 pm
#95 Big Hit:
The Boks were on fire coming back to the CC.
Something happened at Ellis (Coke) park that day. The 53-8 result was a bonus but for the Boks as a unit it was a special day!
22 Sep 2008, 14:26 pm
sure thing, only k@k mags in the middle east, when do we sign up?
22 Sep 2008, 14:49 pm
#97 omanishark:
Smut’s pretty hard to come by, I reckon?
22 Sep 2008, 14:50 pm
I love the online version and will definitely subscribe.
22 Sep 2008, 15:09 pm
Overseas, and would love an online mag!
22 Sep 2008, 15:20 pm
all you cyber junkies with your finger on the pulse…what’s happening with charo? is he in cape town, is fireman’s arms happening? let me know thanks
22 Sep 2008, 15:43 pm
would definatelly subscribe, but the online version MUST be
Without The Adverts, its a real pain scrolling down through Adverts,
if you insist on putting adverts in then the Online version must be Free, or you can pay me 5 Dollars U.S Per issue to have to look at the ads.
22 Sep 2008, 15:48 pm
“Singapore Grand Prix –
Already it is being billed by many in the sport as the most exciting premiere in Formula One history – a night race through the spectacular Singapore metropolis, on an all-new anticlockwise street circuit that will see drivers speed past historic landmarks such as the Anderson Bridge, St Andrews Road and Raffles Boulevard. It’s a mouth-watering prospect for spectators and participants alike…”
it wouldve been soooooooo much more exiting had escom been responsible to provide the electricity!
jeez, just think, those guys flying off the track at a million miles an hour when escom decide to have a power cut!
now THAT couldve been something i could tell my grandchildren about!!
22 Sep 2008, 16:16 pm
I subscribed once upon a time but it was like R480 or something.
Would be prepared to pay a little bit less than a full print mag currently costs, simply to make up for the printing and postage.
Would possibly meet you halfway and split the costs with you makign more profit than selling a print version and me paying less.
22 Sep 2008, 16:21 pm
Oh, and dudes, my favourite part of the mag was always the high def action pics which are many times simply incredible.
If you’re gonna go down this route could I suggest that you make the pics interactive so that the user can zoom in and get really close? Would be awesome.
I havent looked in depth but is there a zoom function currently as the writing seems bloody small.
22 Sep 2008, 16:26 pm
#105 Vinnie: click on the writing, it should zoom up
22 Sep 2008, 16:47 pm
Koe and co,deff up for an on-line mag,cheers
22 Sep 2008, 16:58 pm
No, not really. I won’t be able to bring the mag to class. Print please!
22 Sep 2008, 17:10 pm
Ja, sure. Sell it 3,50 euro and Im there
22 Sep 2008, 17:36 pm
#108 SpringbokSarah: lol, good reading matter
22 Sep 2008, 17:38 pm
#109 LikkeShark: we are more than likely going to be selling the mag at R23.00 – no matter where in the world you are… ok maybe a few bucks more for blue bull supporters
hehehe
22 Sep 2008, 17:46 pm
#105 Vinnie:
hehe, looks like the WindowsMobile (Pocket PC) version
22 Sep 2008, 18:03 pm
#112 church – like chch but pronounceable: hahaha, what do you think of the online mag?
22 Sep 2008, 18:49 pm
Hi Simon,
I live overseas and am subscribed to the SA rugby mag. I’m well aware of companies going the online route to reduce costs and “help the environment”. I find that just by reading Keo.co.za I am completely up to date all the time anyway so the magazine is mainly of interest for interviews etc.
For me personally, nothing beats a good magazine. Reading from a screen is not the same- I do that all day at work and on Keo.co.za. When I turn off the TV and just sit in the garden or go to the bog, I like a good magazine to read and this is where the hard copy comes into its own. There is something more pleasurable in receiving something tangible and I fear i would never actually read an online version.
22 Sep 2008, 19:12 pm
great idea!
22 Sep 2008, 19:46 pm
Live in London, Would definitely suscribe!!
22 Sep 2008, 20:15 pm
It surprises me SA rugby have survived so long without a website…All mags are online these days..
22 Sep 2008, 20:25 pm
# Staal:
Janee u must either b a bull or wp supporter….btw what are u actually saying in your post??
22 Sep 2008, 20:27 pm
#4 Staal:
lol-why are u on this site if ur’e so negative about such a awesome initiative-
I think it is great
22 Sep 2008, 20:29 pm
Yes, I live overseas and would definitely subscribe, provided it was quite a bit cheaper than the print version considering that there would be no printing or distribution costs.
22 Sep 2008, 20:32 pm
And also a duly considered reduction for not being able to read it on a plane, train, car, loo, etc… Otherwise, good idea.
22 Sep 2008, 20:34 pm
#108 SpringbokSarah:
I dont think the question was posed wherther to print or go online.
Many overseas readers would benefit, specially ex saffas wanting to know what is going down here in the couth tip of africa.
22 Sep 2008, 20:35 pm
I would certainly enjoy the online version. As suggested before: Issued user/pw to subscribers in order to view online version as well.
22 Sep 2008, 20:54 pm
#111 Roy: Would you still charge R23 for the online version? See my posts 120 and 121. Not that I’m cheap or anything, but as a matter of principle I wouldn’t pay the same amount for a tangible magazine and an online scanned version where you have to sit and read it on a screen.
22 Sep 2008, 21:09 pm
Roy, love the studio shots of Percy. Can I get hold of a decent copy of any of them?
Glad the skincare ad’s are still there. We know how the rugby boys like to care for their skin!!
22 Sep 2008, 22:01 pm
#110 Roy: what? the teachers can’t teach me anything my dad can’t. And he explains better.
#122 Gerhardt: But most of the articles go on here anyway.
22 Sep 2008, 22:31 pm
Recently moved to london so missing my SA rugby mag. Count me in if the print is larger than on the sample as I couldnt read much. The price would obviously be a factor as well.
23 Sep 2008, 01:26 am
In Oz at the moment and would definitely subscribe to an online mag if the price was right, and know many others that would also
23 Sep 2008, 02:05 am
I’d be interested too,Thanks.
SA rugby drama(s) are just too interesting.
23 Sep 2008, 08:28 am
I would definitely subscribe to the cyber mag, go for it.
#127 Bok fan: you just click on the page you wanna read and the page enlarges enough to read.
I work outside SA for 6 months a year, this will be fantastic.
23 Sep 2008, 08:33 am
#120 wooden spoon: It looks to me that the international market for the mag will gain the most value from this – they are paying R400+ for a year while here in SA the price is around R200. That’s already a 50% saving to the customer, and they can read it the same day it comes out. There is a newer version of software that allows you to download the mag to your PC/laptop for off line viewing.
23 Sep 2008, 10:27 am
#130 modawg: Thanks, sorry a bit slow
23 Sep 2008, 11:32 am
Yup I’d definately be up for it! Used to subscribe to SA Rugby, but always got the mag 3 or 4 weeks late up in Sweden. Not worth the money payed. So an online mag would iron out all those problems for overseas readers!
23 Sep 2008, 12:47 pm
Sure I’ll consider subscribing if the price is right.
No printing costs.
No postage.
If it’s distributed as a pdf, the bloody ads will still be distributed and thus reach a wider audience.
The impact on the print copy will probably be minimal, so every subscription is nearly pure profit.
So, you’re in a position to pitch it at a very attractive price. VERY attractive.
23 Sep 2008, 19:29 pm
YES, YES, YES NBYYES!!!
24 Sep 2008, 12:53 pm
#134 Windhoek.Lager: Yes a very good point Windy – although I wouldnt say pure profit. There is a bit of development and time taken to get it into the web version – its more than a PDF sortof a Flash document.
But still way cheaper than printing and posting. So the price should be offered to us at a VERY attractive rate
Then perhaps an option to request the monthly poster which can be printed and posted out – possibly even have posters in a larger format and a bit cooler…
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