England pair in punch-up
8 Oct 2008
England team-mates Danny Cipriani and Josh Lewsey exchanged punches during a Wasps training session on Tuesday.
Wasps play their first European Cup game against Castres on Sunday and the incident, described by one English media sector as a ‘show that the competitive juices are flowing’, can’t be good for team morale. Wasps are currently sitting at 10th on the Premiership table having lost four of their five league games.
Both men have since apologised which is significant not just for the club but for England as well. With flyhalf Jonny Wilkinson ruled out of the November Tests due to a knee injury, Cipriani is tipped to step into the limelight alongside Test regulars like Lewsey.
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8 Oct 2008, 14:52 pm
#50 Big Hit:
There is no way around it, Central banks will cut rates down to zero as thats the only monetary tool they have left, unfortunately the banks aren’t lending to each other hence the dramatic rise in the LIBOR rate. The western world revolves around consumption ( 70% of the US economy) and credit, both are now farked there is little or no lending and the consumer is tapped out he has nothing left. What we are seeing is systemic collaspe this is unprecedented and will ruin a good % of peoples wealth, one must consider the average western person is belly up 60 days after they lose their job as they have no savings, there will be mass redundancies very shortly.
8 Oct 2008, 15:07 pm
#47 Loosehead:
yes yes loony bin
most them Police!
8 Oct 2008, 15:15 pm
I can’t believe players that can’t tackle can make it to national teams
First question at club level should be: “Can you tackle?”
“No? F@ck off then”
8 Oct 2008, 16:15 pm
#48 NZINCHINA:
interesting, thought it might happen too, but dont know that much about it.
laissez-faire markets or capitalism only has this result, i.e. great depresssion – it has to be regulated, impossible with the cowboys running the markets and left to their own devices. a depression 30′s style would be quite something indeed, especially with the world overcrowding and moving off the land. not sure you can do anything to protect against that if money worth nothing.
8 Oct 2008, 16:16 pm
#52 greatest13gerber:
thats no suprise, the ex-police were lucky to not have been tried for warcrimes.
8 Oct 2008, 16:34 pm
#54 cab:
Your right that’s why I left the industry, no better than used car salesmen just peddling a different product – the ego’s were something else!
8 Oct 2008, 16:50 pm
This is sooooooo funny ! The higlight of my day !
“shut up or be shut up” – few punches and some smelling salts later Danni girl still flat on her arse !! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I think Josh Lewsey is now one of my favourite players ! A doer – not a talker !
8 Oct 2008, 16:50 pm
#56 NZINCHINA:
yeah quite interesting actually, but the whole industry needs to be overhauled, these guys do sacrifice alot for their jobs, but their renumeration is simply way out of all proportional to their societal contribution.
what i cant understand is how guys like the lehman traders get golden parachutes on the way out despite driving the whole thing into the crowd, its not even pure competition, since they would fall hardest if it was, instead its the little ppl that fall hardest.
8 Oct 2008, 17:11 pm
#58 cab:
How about the ex head of Lehman’s, he made US$750 million over the last 7 years – nobodys worth that much except maybe McCaw.
8 Oct 2008, 17:22 pm
#59 NZINCHINA:
horrendous, cap their salaries and pay difference to nurses, teachers, carers, police, etc. i see the UK govt has approved a US-style saftety blanket of 50 bill for their banks, the good thing is they have imposed caps on executive salaries. Should have done something like this ages ago, interestingly all the banks appear to be rushing to sign up to it, lot of very worried ppl.
8 Oct 2008, 17:32 pm
#60 cab:
Love these bailouts, they just create the money from thin air and crank up the electronic printing presses, this may or may not stabilize the markets in the short term but as I said in an earlier post the consumer is tapped out, most weterners wealth is concentrated in their homes when these start to fall rapidly as is happening in most markets the reverse wealth effect takes hold, most company earnings next year are going to get savaged as the consumer retrenches and closes his wallet, no amount of bank bailout will fix this.
8 Oct 2008, 17:50 pm
#61 NZINCHINA: #60 cab: Chaps not that I am a professional – though it is my profession of choice but – what everyone forgets is when the guy gets a £50mil bonus 40% goes into the coffers as tax. Capping that reduces govt intake – they will find other ways of re-imbursing these fat cats – and since they are paying out cash there is naturally going to be a squeeze on the money supply. Cap the silly footballers salries is what I say – they all set up offshore accounts hence end up paying next to zero on the tax front. A bail out is not the answer, however with no one wanting to lend there is no cash going round. This is going to be one almighty trigger affect.
8 Oct 2008, 17:51 pm
#61 NZINCHINA:
makes alot of sense, the housing markets seem way inflated in the west and might take a big hit. suppose question is whether bailouts are enough to ride damage and boost consumer confidence or whether its all simply gotten too rotten.
8 Oct 2008, 17:52 pm
#61 NZINCHINA: PS I think you are spot on with the gold prediction, been one massive bull run for them and it will most definetly continue.
8 Oct 2008, 17:57 pm
#64 pedspin:
surely the SA economy must be pretty well positioned relatively in that case, since thought most of it was based on mineral (gold) reserves?
8 Oct 2008, 18:01 pm
#64 pedspin:
Seems to be a no brainer, will look to exit around the US$1500 mark about the same time every man and his dog is starting to buy.
#63 cab:
Look I hope i’m wrong and everything does turn around but basic economics tells you that is just not possible in the short to medium term.
8 Oct 2008, 18:05 pm
#65 cab: Cab the SA economy is based is classified as an emerging markets economy therefore it is grouped with the likes of Mexico, Brazil etc. When things go pear shaped then there is always a flight to quality thus the negetive currency effect on the rand. Though SA has a strong gold reserves this unfortunately will not hold sway on the BOP, import / exports etc, unemployment, GDP. The interest rate in SA is in double digits. As the money supply contracts and less cash flows in SA is going to struggle. Inflation is rather bouyant in SA and I believe they are still to feel the effects of the housing amrket collapse. I could be wrong but I get the notion that most people live on credit and that is exaclty what is going to be shrinking.
Apologies very basic analysis.
8 Oct 2008, 18:06 pm
#66 NZINCHINA: What’s your view on other commodities? Got to still be a decent long term bet?
8 Oct 2008, 18:11 pm
#67 pedspin:
So basically you and NZINCHINA are saying its time to pack survival supplies and head out on the next plane for some remote fertile pacific island.
8 Oct 2008, 18:16 pm
#68 pedspin:
Yes most definitely, prefer to sit on the sidelines at this stage though as the vol is a killer. I like a lot of the Aussie commodity producers, stable environment, strong bal sheets etc in a normal environment would probably be sniffing around but IMO this is not a normal event so capital preservation is paramount. The Chinese up here are consuming like there is no tomorrow so there is probably some type of floor there for commodity prices but I still feel the US would have to recover before commodities really ran hard again.
8 Oct 2008, 18:20 pm
#70 NZINCHINA: Only problem is the cash is not even safe in the bank (I live in UK and we have had to play balancing act of spreading the cash around – not funny since there are so many cross holdings etc etc, bonds are rubbish and the yields on gilts rubbish.
8 Oct 2008, 18:25 pm
#71 pedspin:
Funny you should say that manage a small amount of cash for the family and recently advised my father to take his on call cash out and stick it under his mattress, we are / were very close to getting huge runs on the banks – I don’t think most people realise how close we are / were to capitulation and systemic collapse.
8 Oct 2008, 18:36 pm
#72 NZINCHINA: Banks are falling left right and centre here. Islandic govt promised to secure all deposits but from what I hear they are bankrupt so how does a govt secure deposits if it is bankrupt???? Tough times I would hate to be a pensioner.
8 Oct 2008, 18:43 pm
#65 cab: unlike the UK where Gordon Brown thought it a good idea to sell off 50% of our gold reserves 5 years ago
#71 pedspin: If you place it in the Bank of Ireland their government will guarantee savings 100%.
#62 pedspin: Just heard Lord Lamont speaking on it, he seems to think that the bailout plan will take time in the US if it is to work, and he thinks there’s a decent chance it will. He isn’t keen on the UK bank rescue as its going to result in higher taxes.
8 Oct 2008, 18:50 pm
#74 Big Hit: As I said we are in for some tough times – mass unemployment etc etc. This is going to affect everyone. Yup noted bank of Ireland, post office, German bank and Greek banks. Brown was a ****** not to be a leader in that regard – imagine hoe much cash has flowed into Ireland. The whole problem is there is no cahs to lend. Given that banks have certain liquidity levels the flow of cash out is going to make it worse. Not sure the 0.5% rate cut is going to help either. …. Markets finished down just under 5% Nzinchina hit the nail on the head – under the matress.
9 Oct 2008, 11:22 am
#30 Big Hit: I agree, at 15 he will be lethal. I enjoy watching him play, who am I kidding. I wish SA had the depth England have at 10. I still prefer Johnny. Johnny can do the business against anyone. Too injury prone though, he may need to call it a day soon.
9 Oct 2008, 11:29 am
#67 pedspin: My boet was telling me that you guys are not effected in SA by the Global credit crunch..
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