Toulon rope in Jake
25 Nov 2008
Struggling French club Toulon have acquired the services of Jake White as an adviser.
The World Cup-winning coach will only be with the club from 3-22 December, but president Mourad Boudjellal believes any input can help at this stage. Toulon are currently at 11th in the French domestic competition.
“Even I have my limitations and may still be in certain respects a president of a second division club, who for so long dreamed of gaining promotion,” said Boudjellal. “I want to find out what is not working and that is why I have looked outside the club for an opinion.”
John Connolly was initially brought in to aid Tana Umaga but clashed with the incumbent manager and was quickly removed.
200 Comments
25 Nov 2008, 23:10 pm
Gareyh Jacobs is the dragon
25 Nov 2008, 23:10 pm
Toulon Dragon
Jake is everywhere at the moment!!
25 Nov 2008, 23:11 pm
Beat that Gaps!!!
25 Nov 2008, 23:11 pm
# balsak: Arrrgggghh.
25 Nov 2008, 23:13 pm
Poor Boudjellal
from one fraud to the next, why doesn’t he hire a proper coach instead.
26 Nov 2008, 00:14 am
when is jake gonna coach the poms?
26 Nov 2008, 00:19 am
Skoppie must be frothing at the mouth.
26 Nov 2008, 00:47 am
#7 Loosehead: see #5
26 Nov 2008, 01:03 am
Good for Jake. All the best.
26 Nov 2008, 01:53 am
#5 makakulu:
Tjank tjank… grrrr… morning Ubu the toothless Chihuahua…
26 Nov 2008, 02:34 am
Jake must be savouring this opportunity, returning to the land where he found everlasting glory and fame a mere year ago!
His talent being sought after by some of the wealthiest rugby fraternities in Europe, I can’t even begin to imagine how much money JW must be making, mind-boggling stuff!
As if he didn’t make enough already from his book sales.
Legend…..
26 Nov 2008, 02:49 am
#11 Pietman:
Still doesn’t change the fact that this is yet more intellectual property wasted to South Africa unfortunately…
Powers that be most certainly know how to f@ck things up on a grandiose scale when taking advantage of the once strong brains trust RSA had right across the board… with hundreds of thousands of the countries top teachers, professors, doctors, finance guru’s, engineers, CEO’s, MD’s etc etc adding value to other top tier countries…
The result…
Spiralling crime, tertiary education not worth the paper it’s written on, collapsing infrastructure, extrem power problem, a resource sector on the brink of collapse, billions of rands of army-ware lying dormant, Durban harbour now the drug portal of the world etc etc etc etc etc etc…
Banana’s anyone?
26 Nov 2008, 02:51 am
#11 Pietman: Howzit Pietman and others. Long time no blog.
Great opp for Jake. Nothing like doing a 2 week assessment, pointing out where the issues are. That’s the easy part. Then they’ll have to deal with job reservations, and bad habits to remove the root cause. Nice addition to his resume though. Probably also means Matfield gave him a good reference.
26 Nov 2008, 02:53 am
#12 bryce_in_oz: Sad but true. And let me tell you, it’s the South Africans and Indians here in US that sits till midnight finding solutions to work related issues, great work ethic. That gets rewarded here. And I’m not even including taxes in this topic.
26 Nov 2008, 02:59 am
Having just complained – it is what it is. Tough at times but very rewarding personally to be the 1st generation in a new country. We can always tell the story of arriving with 3 suitcases and $3k. For the sake our kids’ future. A good thing. Besides, the planet has become so small who cares where you live, what currency / language – it’s all becoming one to a degree. You pick your nose in Russia the same way you pick it in Mexico.
26 Nov 2008, 02:59 am
#15 Expatinus: Hello Expatinus – are you talking to yourself mate?
26 Nov 2008, 02:59 am
#15 Expatinus:
Ain’t no country like Aus… mate…
26 Nov 2008, 03:01 am
#17 bryce_in_oz: We were heading there via NZ, then decided to do US for 3 years, now it’s been 10. CAN’T WAIT to see Oz one day soon. Sounds and looks stunning.
26 Nov 2008, 03:03 am
That said – US is now the country we really came to see and live in – with a true professional in charge, that also happens to be an icon.
26 Nov 2008, 03:25 am
#19 Expatinus:
He’s certainly inherited the inbox from hell though…
They’re digging themselves deeper and deeper printing money to fund bad debts…
The one BIG positive though for mine with Obama’s election… is that minority groups across the US… can no longer play the victim… and can move forward, hopefully with positive effect on the super-power…
Pity 14 yrs on… some South Africans haven’t been able to do the same…
26 Nov 2008, 03:36 am
#17 bryce_in_oz: #19 Expatinus:
Morning boys.
Yep, nice to see Saffas all over the globe making their mark and raking in the bucks! Just look how many expats are here on keo, for instance.
I was in Malaysia last week, ‘arrivals’ at the airport crowded with our people of all colours, you here Afrikaans being spoken all over the place..
Here, in my little part of the world, we have CEO’s for KPMG, Nike, Coca Cola, and BP (from the free State town of Welkom!), all South Africans.
I live in a ‘small town’, by these people’s standards, and we have 5 black teachers here from KZN that I know of, and I don’t know how many ‘Capies’.
Lekker, makes me feel right at home every time I see their faces !!!
Saffas are in demand, they don’t mind hard work and they are very sociable and liked by their hosts.
Great to see!
And as Expat says, the world is so small, you can get back home within a day from almost anywhere for a holiday or family matters.
(Btw Expat, when is Thanksgiving, tomorrow?)
26 Nov 2008, 03:39 am
#20 bryce_in_oz:
I see the Rand has strenghtened a bit, darn!
I was just about on my way to buy some dollars for my forthcoming trip to SA…
26 Nov 2008, 03:41 am
#21 makakulu:
Yeah, what happened to mongrel, haven’t seen him here on keo for ages, now that you mention him.
He was an interesting oke to talk to, knows alot about WP rugby history, I used to enjoy our little banter.
26 Nov 2008, 03:41 am
Back to the topic – I wonder if Jake can make a difference there? A decent run and one or two more players and they stay up – you never know what might happen next season. Look at how well Bayonne are doing? I see Ross Skeate’s already had his say: http://www.rossskeate.com
The French league for all its detractors at least serves up on a more regular basis than elsewhere evenly contested matches and you know that on any given day anybody could feasibly beat a so-called bigger team.
26 Nov 2008, 03:48 am
#21 makakulu:
Tjank… tjank… tjank… grrrr… tjank… tjank…
That’s all I read skopskat… sorry pal…
26 Nov 2008, 03:55 am
#22 Pietman:
You can add Marius Kloppers the head of the world’s most powerful mining entity and a hard-nosed legend… interesting life story he has including adopting a black kid… much like many of us ex-pats…
He’s a legend…
#25 Caracal:
Who are the detractors… their leagues are a tough as they come…
Definitely something not right at Toulon… second division but with world class international players… something just doesn’t gel…
Good move to bring in a ‘fresh’ opinion… always helps when it’s one of the best analysts in the business…
26 Nov 2008, 04:27 am
Hey there guys. I am in Korea and except for what went on on the Park, I did not catch much of whats going on in SA rugby this year.
So I have one question, if anyone will be so kind. What happened with that ***-tape thing? Was he found not-guilty, or merely let loose on a technicality like Puky?
26 Nov 2008, 04:27 am
#21 makakulu: what’s the matter, you got something in your throat?
#22 Pietman: Thanksgiving on Thursday! Got a 19 pounder in the fridge. Will deep fry in peanut butter oil. To help the wine slide down nicely!
26 Nov 2008, 04:37 am
#28 Greenpoint-Gunner: It kind of just died – everybody involved denied any knowledge of its existence, and the communications manager who started the whole thing up and told Snor about it resigned after being targeted by a committee appointed to investigate the matter, and being called to a disciplinary tribunal. Talk about shoot the messenger! The poor guy then then died in a plane accident (no not the same one as Hansie). So now nobody talks about it. It’s just fallen off the face of the earth.
26 Nov 2008, 05:21 am
seems like umaga’s ego got in the way of anything positive that might have come from john connolly,,,if thats possible.
will jake put this team right? who knows how he will see things. for one thing though he will know how to sure up their defensive abilities
26 Nov 2008, 05:48 am
#21 makakulu: Skop rerig, you should go and see someone, this is going to kill you!
26 Nov 2008, 06:01 am
#21 makakulu:
Doooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooosssss
26 Nov 2008, 06:03 am
#33 whatever: Aish, naar maar waar!
26 Nov 2008, 06:50 am
Skoppie,
All of your ancestors must number in the millions; it’s hard to believe that many people are to blame for producing you.
26 Nov 2008, 07:10 am
Werfbobbejane unite,your saviour have found employment.
26 Nov 2008, 07:14 am
#36 Tulsa: Jy begin alweer met jou kuk!!!!
26 Nov 2008, 07:16 am
What I admire most about Skoppie, is that he never allows the debate to become personal!!
26 Nov 2008, 07:17 am
#37 K9_BaasPatrolliehond: Nee wat Brak, moenie tyd mors nie, lig eerder jou been teen iets wat die moeite werd is!
26 Nov 2008, 07:29 am
#38 tight head: Or reasonable for that matter.
26 Nov 2008, 07:50 am
#40 Loosehead:
Ha Ha !!
Good one!!
26 Nov 2008, 07:51 am
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
26 Nov 2008, 07:58 am
#42 WP Till I Die: Jy Tulsa?
26 Nov 2008, 08:01 am
#21 makakulu:
LOL
Did Jakes two beer fetchers give you a bloody nose?
26 Nov 2008, 08:04 am
#43 K9_BaasPatrolliehond:
Wie de tos is Tulsa?
26 Nov 2008, 08:06 am
#36 Tulsa: Jou moer seuntjie. Pasop vir jou!!!
26 Nov 2008, 08:10 am
So, is Jake going to act as technical advisor for UCT AND Toulon next year?
26 Nov 2008, 08:12 am
#45 WP Till I Die:
Roep vir Dawn.
Sy se mos dis net die wittes wat anderskleuriges so noem.
Sy sy moet haat roer, en kom kyk hoe vloek ek sy ma se $oo3 nog n keer.
26 Nov 2008, 08:13 am
#36 Tulsa:
Ek wag net vir Dawn, dan kuk jy, jou Fapla.
Moes jou laas in Mos al geblaas het.
26 Nov 2008, 08:19 am
#48 Pietman:
Dawn is gewoonlik eers 08:30 in.
Jy en Tulsa kom al aan vanaf daai “Peter plays the character card” thread, toe jy en GBS en saru1983 en Tulsa mekaar so sleggesê, dinge te doen met mense se meisies en vrouens en so aan.
Almal moet net hulle f*kken kuk stop man. Dis mos nie die moeite werd nie.
26 Nov 2008, 08:21 am
#49 Pietman:
Fapla? Hulle was in Angola, Pietman, nie in Mosambiek. In Mosambiek sou jy FRELIMO’s uitmekaar geblaas het.
26 Nov 2008, 08:25 am
#49 Pietman: More ou Pietta. Wie dink die doos is hy. ************* se gat man. Sy sussie se vissie.
26 Nov 2008, 08:36 am
#50 WP Till I Die:
Ek stem.
Maar kyk waar kom die kuk vandaan, al wat ek se.
Wys jou wie is die regte rassiste hier wat Dawn so graag verdedig.
Ek is gatvol vir Tulsa se kuk.
Ja, Frelimo, hy het gese Fapla.
Dink nie hy was daar nie want hy weet nie eens waar 7SAI was nie.
Ek gee nie om om weer geban te word nie, laat hy net waag om MY n ************* te noem…..
Ek skrik regtig nie vir hom en provinceboytjie en saru1983 se liga nie nie.
26 Nov 2008, 08:37 am
#52 Pietman:
I’ve never defended him. I don’t know who this Tulsa is.
I don’t agree with calling people names.
26 Nov 2008, 08:43 am
#50 WP Till I Die: #51 KWAGGA ROBERTSE: #53 Dawn:
Later ‘peeps’.
I have to go.
26 Nov 2008, 08:47 am
JAke could walk into any job he wants .. lucky guy ..
26 Nov 2008, 08:53 am
#55 nahtino:
If that were true he’d be a coach already. Problem is he isn’t getting offers for anything else that coaching non test teams and technical assistance
26 Nov 2008, 08:53 am
#56 Richie_7:
than*
26 Nov 2008, 09:08 am
#35 Tulsa:
nog n doooooooooooooooooooos
26 Nov 2008, 09:11 am
#58 whatever: Selle ene as jy my vra.
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26 Nov 2008, 09:14 am
#52 Pietman:
Cuito Cuanavale?
26 Nov 2008, 09:15 am
#60 saffa_guy:
What about “Fetch me a beer!”
26 Nov 2008, 09:39 am
#62 WP Till I Die:
It comes with state of the art voice technology. Able to record and playback your very own quotes
So yep, that quote can definitely work.
26 Nov 2008, 09:44 am
I wonder if Johnson is talking to Jake. He must be wanting to get rid of his current crop of coaches
26 Nov 2008, 09:45 am
Reading between the lines, skopskiet obviously had a post removed (#21). On a thread about Jake White – who would’ve guessed?
Whaaaaaat a doos.
Good luck Jake. You are a true rugby man.
26 Nov 2008, 09:45 am
#60 saffa_guy: Good work! Those will sell!
26 Nov 2008, 09:52 am
#65 wooden spoon: I would like to read the melodramatic vitriol that Skop was uttering
#60 saffa_guy: You forgot to mention that it comes with a RWC Gold medal winners medal as well as the William Webb Ellis trophy and the Tr-Nations trophy as silverware. Speaking of silverware what have we got left
26 Nov 2008, 09:55 am
Isn’t it funny how all the staunch PDV lovers/apologists appear to dislike JW (and Eddie Jones) intensely? I wonder why and how they could possibly feel threatened by Jake White? Seems silly.
26 Nov 2008, 09:58 am
I see that Skoptjokvolfokkolll was at it and banned yet again….. hopefully for good this time and hopefully when he re-surfaces under yet another name, the ban will be immediate.
Tulsa should be banned permanently as well with his hate speech….. I’ve just reported his post and I trust that a lot of you have done exactly that as well…
26 Nov 2008, 09:59 am
#68 wooden spoon:
I’m a staunch PDV “lover/apologist” as you call it, and I have no problem with Jake White or Eddie Jones.
In fact Eddie Jones agrees with me that Conrad Jantjes was in fine form this year
26 Nov 2008, 10:00 am
#69 grootblousmile:
Apparently skopskiet was Tulsa.
26 Nov 2008, 10:05 am
#70 WP Till I Die: Good for you. You set a shining example
26 Nov 2008, 10:07 am
#71 WP Till I Die: No, it’s not the same Muppit……… Skopdoos’s style was unmistakable……… he could never resist rambling on in Essay-style doodoo……. whereas this ****, Tulsa, is a 1-liner stirrer !
The Traceroute I ran also does not correspond at all for the 2. I know exactly who and where each can be found…..
26 Nov 2008, 10:08 am
Good Luck to Jake. This is one rich club he will earn plenty. Who knows may still get that Engand Job aswell. All the best to Jake.
26 Nov 2008, 10:08 am
#70 WP Till I Die: P.S. My view is that you shouldn’t put any coach on a pedestal. Be fair and objective however when considering their performances. After 4 years at the helm, JW deserves credit.
PDV had his highs and lows this year but overall had a relatively successful year.
We mustn’t make who the coach is a sideshow. It all about the Boks’ results, and nothing else.
26 Nov 2008, 10:09 am
#73 grootblousmile: What in the heck is a “traceroute” and how do you do such things?
26 Nov 2008, 10:12 am
#75 wooden spoon: Agree with you wooden spoon.
26 Nov 2008, 10:13 am
#76 wooden spoon: Woody….. secrets of the IT Industry……… if I had to explain here, it would have to be in Book Form…. something like “TraceRoute for Dummies”.
Simply put it consists of various Network and Internet usage Monitoring Software packages…….. and some creative hacking…. leave it to us Pro’s….
26 Nov 2008, 10:20 am
#78 grootblousmile: OK, for an IT dummy then, I guess it tells you the source (geographical location) of the user on the other end? ISP address or something like that…
26 Nov 2008, 10:29 am
#79 wooden spoon: Yeah, it re-traces the “route” / “path” that the Muppit has taken from his PC, through his ISP, through the Internet, to the eventual site.
Some interesting stats on what else has been browsed comes up as well….
26 Nov 2008, 10:44 am
Just wanted to take the opportunity to thank Jake for his contributions to SA Rugby, especially the Boks performance in 2008.
Jake, without your input none of the success would have been possible.
I wonder if his input will cover off the field matters like the cheerleaders. I’m sure he will make a success of whatever he is asked to do. Knowing him, he will probably use his a lot of his own initiative as well.
26 Nov 2008, 10:47 am
#81 Sheriff: keo should send thanks to jake for allowing him to make a living from skopskiet.
26 Nov 2008, 10:49 am
#81 Sheriff:
Are you going to The Church Of Messiah Jake farewell service this coming Sunday?
I just bought my tickets on Ticketmaster.
Must not forget to wear your white robes and bring along your offerings of biltong
26 Nov 2008, 10:52 am
#81 Sheriff: Kom nou ou tjom, laat staan nou die Jake-is-wonderlik sarkasme……. dis nou genoeg, selfs ek wat noooooit een van Jake se getroue volgelinge was nie, vind dit nou al droog !
Laat staan sulke dinge, laat staan
Laat staan sulke dinge laat staan….
Jy kên mos daai song ??
26 Nov 2008, 10:53 am
#82 rangerman:
Keo is not the type that will say “thank you”
But I will.
Thank you Jake ®
26 Nov 2008, 10:56 am
#84 grootblousmile:
Hoekom noem jy dit sarkasme?
Ek probeer net die man gee wat hom toekom.
Hou op om vir Carol Meredith verkeerde Afrikaans goed te leer. Luister, “ken” het nie ‘n kappie op nie, asb kry jou spelling uitgesorteer
26 Nov 2008, 10:59 am
#85 Sheriff: very kind of you.
personally i want to thank jake for all his good work in the PAST and thank PdV for all his good work in the PRESENT.
but please jake, save the questions about PdV’s selections til after the game………..or for your closest friends and family mate. it is exactly what you hated and it makes you look silly when the boks give thumpings to “big” unions.
26 Nov 2008, 10:59 am
#83 saffa_guy:
As always, I will do my best.
26 Nov 2008, 11:00 am
#86 Sheriff: Ek **** mens kry nou Khompela & Frolick poppies ook te koop hier voor Kersfees………
Jy wên hulle op en as jy hulle laat gaan, dan sê hulle “Away with the Bok Emblem !”…. en dan stink hulle vir so 20 minute !
26 Nov 2008, 11:01 am
#87 rangerman:
“keo” is really messing up my eyes.
At first glance I read “all your closet friends”…
26 Nov 2008, 11:02 am
#83 saffa_guy:
26 Nov 2008, 11:03 am
#89 grootblousmile:
Down with the ANC. Down with Khompela and Frolick.
26 Nov 2008, 11:04 am
#84 grootblousmile:
Skuus, ja ek ken daai song.
Ek onthou as kind het iemand ( ‘n jong seun) nog een of ander kompetisie gewen met daai song.
Ek speel self die konsertina.
26 Nov 2008, 11:05 am
Supported Jake in his darkest days
Believed we would win the World Cup as early as Feb 2007.
Have bets and postings to confirm this.
Post winning the World Cup, feelings changed significantly.
26 Nov 2008, 11:05 am
#92 Sheriff: Ek hoop maar ons sal kan Cope metttie ANC volgende jaar !
26 Nov 2008, 11:06 am
So Jake is with the Baabaas, UCT, Saracens and Toulon? Impressive, must be some new power to be revealed in Heroes season 4.
26 Nov 2008, 11:07 am
#94 saffa_guy:
Same here.
Archives are full of support Jake posts from Sheriff.
I have now committed myself to restore the balance.
26 Nov 2008, 11:08 am
#93 Sheriff: So jy bespeel die krismiswurm….. lekker man….. eishhhhhhh ek het mos geen musikale talent in my ledemate nie en ek sing ook damn kuk…. !
26 Nov 2008, 11:12 am
#98 grootblousmile:
Ja ou Manie Bodenstein en Nico van Rensburg sal lekker jaloers wees
En die pensklavier, beter as Nico Carstens en Ollie Viljoen.
26 Nov 2008, 11:13 am
#90 Sheriff: lol, a stretch maybe?
its things like this that i dont enjoy:
“Jake White has questioned Peter de Villiers’s policy to ignore overseas-based Springboks.”
this on the eve of a test vs the poms.
time for a glass of shut the………….
26 Nov 2008, 11:14 am
#98 grootblousmile: barra barra ting ting was never top of the charts?
26 Nov 2008, 11:16 am
#99 Sheriff: Speel jy / het jy gespeel in ‘n properste boere-orkes of band met daai instrumente ??
26 Nov 2008, 11:16 am
#100 rangerman:
26 Nov 2008, 11:17 am
quick question from a durban soutie. i would ask the missus but i dont want her getting upset at the “bad influence” of keo.
what is a ************* exactly? i know what it means but is it an insult to black people, afrikaners, *******?
i am confused.
26 Nov 2008, 11:17 am
#100 rangerman:
I have tracked Jake’s comments and behaviour for a long time very carefully.
I assure you that I have not taken this decision lightly.
26 Nov 2008, 11:18 am
#102 grootblousmile:
sies man
spoel uit jou mond!
anyway
wie speel met wie se instrument?
26 Nov 2008, 11:18 am
# rangerman: Hehehe…. yeah, hopefully not !!
26 Nov 2008, 11:18 am
#103 asha1: howdy asha.
i am reposting this moderated post:
quick question from a durban soutie. i would ask the missus but i dont want her getting upset at the “bad influence” of keo.
what is a ************* exactly? i know what it means but is it an insult to black people, afrikaners, bab##ns?
i am confused.
26 Nov 2008, 11:19 am
#102 grootblousmile:
Ek speel hom laat die manne met die stywe heupe se tone krul van lekker-kry.
26 Nov 2008, 11:21 am
#107 grootblousmile: pity, it has a certain ring to it……..
#105 Sheriff: i have no feeling of ill will towards jake, but i worry he is becoming what he despises.
happens to the best of us, just ask the anc(lower case intentional).
26 Nov 2008, 11:21 am
OK my fellow Utopians….. I’m going to work a bit…. will chat in between waiting for k-putertjies to do their thing………..
26 Nov 2008, 11:22 am
#107 rangerman:
who posted it originally
and
why was it moderated?
26 Nov 2008, 11:23 am
#111 grootblousmile: tjorts.
26 Nov 2008, 11:25 am
#112 asha1: i posted it as i am confused about the intentions of Tulsa who was throwing that word around originally.
it was moderated because of the ordentlik use of the word bab##n in my question.
the nats tried to ban tv, the anc wants to ban teenage pregnancy, keo hates the troop that raids his pad in cape town.
26 Nov 2008, 11:28 am
#107 rangerman:
Ranger
“*************” is a term that I think that very few people have absolute certainty about.
But I read a theory in Prof Chris Brink’s “No lesser place” – used to head up Univ Stb. Has to do with the popular practice with keeping ******* as a pet in days gone by.
Now the exact connotation is the challenge. Of course it means idiot but I think also conveys the idea of “just another one” “everyone has one”
I dont think it is used or refers to blacks, but a word that very often pops up when Afrikaans speaking intellectuals debate/ want to insult each other
26 Nov 2008, 11:28 am
Ranger
“*************” is a term that I think that very few people have absolute certainty about.
But I read a theory in Prof Chris Brink’s “No lesser place” – used to head up Univ Stb. Has to do with the popular practice with keeping bab*ons as a pet in days gone by.
Now the exact connotation is the challenge. Of course it means idiot but I think also conveys the idea of “just another one” “everyone has one”
I dont think it is used or refers to blacks, but a word that very often pops up when Afrikaans speaking intellectuals debate/ want to insult each other
26 Nov 2008, 11:29 am
#113 rangerman:
well, i didnt see tulsa’s posts
so
i’d rather not comment on what his intentions may have been
..
that is,
unless he used it to describe the journalists on this site!
26 Nov 2008, 11:30 am
#115 Sheriff: concise and informative sheriff, many thanks.
i will be sure not to use the term around my better halfs family then.
26 Nov 2008, 11:31 am
#116 asha1: there are journalists on this site?
oh ja, Pissant posts from time to time!
26 Nov 2008, 11:36 am
#119 rangerman:
lol
26 Nov 2008, 11:37 am
#118 rangerman:
Also “useful idiot”
26 Nov 2008, 11:42 am
#121 Sheriff:
do you think we’ll come to a point some day where the term “idiot” and “someone working for keo” will have the same meaning?
26 Nov 2008, 11:46 am
#122 asha1:
Fighting the establishment again, rebel!
26 Nov 2008, 11:46 am
#121 Sheriff:
Interesting.
Chris Brink was headboy at Upington High, after prof Hennie Kotze (also US professor) just ahead of our own Boerboel here on keo, followed by Tiaan Strauss later.
26 Nov 2008, 11:48 am
#124 Pietman:
Hy praat daarvan in sy boek, sy Upington dae.
Arme man en sy vrou Tobea het maar harde bene gekou in Stb.
26 Nov 2008, 11:50 am
#125 Sheriff: Ek is nogal verbaas oor die tipe leesstof wat jy kies…..
26 Nov 2008, 11:52 am
#125 Sheriff:
Ja, ek het gesien.
Daai wit Cortinatjie (CAY 2629) van hom was eers myne, aan hom verkoop toe hy Rhodes toe is om ingenieurswese te gaan swot!
Sy pa was oom Pierrie van Brink Bouers op Upington, baie welaf man.
26 Nov 2008, 11:53 am
#125 Sheriff:
Hy ry nog steeds daai ou groen Morris Oxford ook, sien ek.
26 Nov 2008, 12:01 pm
#128 Pietman: Flok Pietman……… het jy ‘n Knortina gery in jou tyd ??
26 Nov 2008, 12:01 pm
#126 grootblousmile:
Ag ek kry min kans om eintlik te lees. Snaaks jy praat van leesstof, ek het net gisteraand weer Herman Giliomee se SA geskiedenis weer nader getrek.
Ek kan glad nie fiksie lees nie, maar my belangstelling oor sosiale dinge en mense beinvloed meestal my keuses.
Probeer ‘n verskeidenheid lees of blootstelling.
Het bv gisteraand na Prof Adriaan Pont se geskiedenis praatjie op Radio Pta geluister.
26 Nov 2008, 12:02 pm
#127 Pietman:
Ek sê jou mos, jy ken te veel mense
Vertel my van Vloog Theron
26 Nov 2008, 12:04 pm
#124 Pietman:
Is Boerboel ook ‘n professor?
26 Nov 2008, 12:05 pm
#129 grootblousmile:
Net Fords ja, op Upington destyds….tot ek my vasgekoop het met n RX en byna bankkrot geraak het van petrol en olie ingooi!
Nee, ek was erg oor n warmgemaakte Anglia en Cortina.
Eintlik naweke Kaap toe gery om die manne te gaan ‘dice’ in Voortrekkerweg Bellville, met hulle Mini Coopers en Gordinis, en dan Maandag is ek weer terug oppie dorp om verder te ‘tune’…….
26 Nov 2008, 12:06 pm
#130 Sheriff: Het jy al van Frans-Johan Pretorius se boeke gelees oor ons Geskiedenis, veral oor die Boere-oorlog en die belangrike rol wat swartmense gespeel het aan Boere-kant…… sowel as oor hoe swaar swart mense werklik gekry het in die Boere-oorlog ?
Kry vir jou gerus van sy boeke, hy gee ‘n baaaaie objektiewe oorsig oor die Geskiedenis, nie net van een kant af nie.
PS ! Fanjan Pretorius is met my niggie getroud.
26 Nov 2008, 12:09 pm
#131 Sheriff:
Kom van Koringberg af, sy pa was stasiemeester daar.
Sy broer Gert het Alwarwo begin (vrou se naam was Osseania Kakebenis!)
Hy het daai huis gehad teen Tygerberg Heuwels wat lank halfgebou gestaan het na sy bankkrotskap, totdat die staat dit vir R50,000 gekoop het en Dawie de Villiers dit n amptelike ministerswoning gemaak het.
Baie doppe daar gedrink!
Vloog het gehike Strand toe met n Ford Prefect om te gaan swem Sondae, vanaf Stellies.
26 Nov 2008, 12:09 pm
#134 grootblousmile:
Sy naam lui ‘n klok.
Ek sal uitkyk daarvoor.
Maar sê nou eers hoekom jy verbaas is oor my keuse van leesstof.
26 Nov 2008, 12:10 pm
#135 Pietman:
Ossewania Kakebenia, jammer.
Sy is gebore tydens die ossewafees, 1955 dink ek, dit het in die hofstukke uitgekom.
26 Nov 2008, 12:11 pm
#132 Sheriff:
Nee, doktor (amper!, siviele ingenieurswese).
26 Nov 2008, 12:14 pm
#135 Pietman:
Waar is Koringberg nou weer?
Ek onthou jy het al die staaltjie van Vloog vertel; nee ek win maar net inligting in sodat as sy naam weer opkom in een of ander laataand gesprek, dan kan ek dit “cross-check”
26 Nov 2008, 12:14 pm
#136 Sheriff: Ek het jou nie opgesom as ‘n Intellektuele reus nie……… hehehehe
Ons moet tog eendag ‘n dop gaan drink en oor die tipe goed praat en oor die lewe filosoveer….
26 Nov 2008, 12:15 pm
#138 Pietman:
ge-nis?
26 Nov 2008, 12:17 pm
#130 Sheriff: Ek verbeel my maar ek herinner my Prof Pont was op ‘n stadium ‘n dominee of so iets…. indien dit waar is, was ek saam met sy dogter Jeanne Pont op skool… van Std 4 af reg deur tot matriek.
Kyk sy was nou ‘n moooooooi girl, vra vir EEE, hulle was baaaaaie goeie tjommies.
26 Nov 2008, 12:17 pm
#140 grootblousmile:
Ag jy weet ek is maar ‘n domkop, maar ek is hier om te leer.
Gee my net eers kans dan ek goed kan voorberei sodat ek met jou kan kers vashou op die onderwerpe
26 Nov 2008, 12:17 pm
#139 Sheriff:
Koringberg is piepklein dorpie (eintlik net n stasie) langs die Bergrivier in die Swartland, tussen Piketberg en en Velddrif.
Jy sien dit net op tv tydens die kanomarathon.
26 Nov 2008, 12:19 pm
#143 Sheriff: Ek’s netso verbaas jy luister na Radio Pretoorsdorp……… baie insiggewend…
My Pa was baaaie lief vir Radio Pretoria….
26 Nov 2008, 12:19 pm
#142 grootblousmile:
Kyk ek ken die oukêrel nie self nie, maar soos ek sê, hy lewer mos maar sy praatjies daar op Radio Pta.
Ek hou van sy aanbieding- natuurlik hel hy oor na sy volk se kant toe – maar mense wat met gesag oor die geskiedenis kan praat is maar raar.
26 Nov 2008, 12:20 pm
#139 Sheriff:
Vloog het die Bokke ontvang in London (ek dink 1969) met n vloot Rolls Royces.
Hy het mos daai gesondheidskuur ontdek kamtag, sy bamboesfabriek staan nog steeds daar teen die pad tussen Vredenburg en Saldanha.
Laas gehoor hy is Kalifornie, Amerikaanse vrou getrou.
26 Nov 2008, 12:21 pm
#144 Pietman:
Ek verbeel my daar is ‘n bord op die N7 wat sê Koringberg daar na Malmesbury op pad Moorreesburg toe
26 Nov 2008, 12:25 pm
#148 Sheriff:
Kan wees, ek sien altyd net die plek in die verte as ek Vedldrif toe ry van P’berg af. Groot koring silos, links van die pad.
26 Nov 2008, 12:25 pm
#145 grootblousmile:
Teen die tyd behoort jy te weet waar ek polities staan, en ek staan daar onwrikbaar, maak nie saak hoe ongemaklik die situasie is nie.
Ek is nie ‘n “mainstream” ou nie en verkies dit om self ondersoek in te stel.
Ek het ‘n vaste geloof dat almal iets het om by te dra, soms kry jy die beste advies vanuit ‘n oord wat jy dit die minste verwag
26 Nov 2008, 12:26 pm
#147 Pietman:
26 Nov 2008, 12:27 pm
Almal het gedink ek sal ‘n dominee word.
Wys jou hoe min hulle geweet het!
26 Nov 2008, 12:28 pm
#145 grootblousmile:
Raak wys!
(Cape Cullert equivalent of “get with the prog”)
26 Nov 2008, 12:29 pm
#146 Sheriff: My Pa was ‘n Geskiedeniskenner………. hy moes op ‘n stadium in sy lewe ‘n baaaaie intense studie maak van al die veldslae wat nog ooit op SA bodem geveg is.
Dit was ALTYD moerrrrrrrr interessant om enige plek in SA heen te ry, want my Pa het altyd gestop op plekke en ons laat uitklim, veld toe waar hy vir ons in detail verduidelik het waar die Engelse vandaan gekom het, waar die boere gelê en wag het, hoe die veldslag plaasgevind het en hoeveel aan elke kant gesneuwel het…. dan wys hy ons ook die grafte, loopgrawe en so meer.
Selfde ding met al die veldslae teen die Zulu’s….
Interessante feit, my Pa se ma (my ouma) was gedurende die Boere-oorlog gebore in ‘n grot (holkrans) net oor die grens aan die Lesotho kant, daar naby Clarence en Golden Gate.
Daar het hulle geskuil saam met die Eerste Rooi-Afrikaner beeskudde wat ingeteel was………
26 Nov 2008, 12:30 pm
#152 WP Till I Die:
Almal het gedink ek sou gaan boer, my landbouskool toe gestuur selfs.
Maar toe raak ek te dors daar tussen die wingerde en begin mos stook….
26 Nov 2008, 12:35 pm
#154 grootblousmile:
Jammer jy het nie jou pa Matjiesfontein toe gevat nie, hulle grou nog steeds Lee Metfort-doppies en Bully Beef blikke daar uit van die 10,000 Engelse wat daar kamp gemaak het.
Dis waar kakiebos vandaan kom, Matjiesfontein, saad het saam met die perde se hawer die land ingekom uit die VK.
Gaan lees daar in die bar by Lord Milner, moerse interessant.
26 Nov 2008, 12:39 pm
#154 grootblousmile:
Ja maar sit jy die tradisie voort?
Dit was in daai jare baie meer ingeprent by die kinders. Natuurlik was daar politieke motiewe ook, maar die byproduk was dat mense ‘n beter begrip gehad het.
My pa is nou 70 en ek probeer maar so om alle stories uit hom uit te ontgin.
En so stukkie vir stukkie kom ek agter die kap van die byl…
Ons moet die geskiedenis probeer verstaan om die toekoms sinvol te onderhandel. En om by die praktiese feite uit te kom is maar soms moeilik want dit is heeltyd ingekleur deur ideologie…
26 Nov 2008, 12:41 pm
#156 Pietman: Ek ken die kakiebos-storie…
Ek het ‘n sak vol Mauser en Lee-Metford patrone gehad wat van orals deur onsself uitgegrawe is, op die trips saam met my pa….. moes natuurlik op ‘n stadium daarvan ontslae raak want dit was steeds gereken as lewendige ammo….. toe het ek dit maar geskenk aan die meuseum daar in Pretoorsdorp.
26 Nov 2008, 12:45 pm
#157 Sheriff: Man, ek wou jare lank my Pa laat sit voor ‘n video-kamera en laat gesels oor alles…….. toe nooit daarby uitgekom nie………. dis ‘n skande, want my Pa is mos nou so 3 maande gelede oorlede……….
Ek doen maar dieselfde ding met BonzaiGBS….. wys hom wat my Pa my gewys het…. en so aan.
Dis hoekom ek sê, Fanjan Pretorius se boeke is so goed, want dit gee ‘n baie ewewigtige beskouing van dele van ons Geskiedenis….. gesien uit elke oogpunt !
26 Nov 2008, 12:46 pm
#158 grootblousmile:
Interessant, ek se.
Mens moet eintlik die kinders sulke dinge vertel, meeste van hulle weet nie van die Boer/Brit stryd nie, hulle dink dit was altyd n swart/wit konflik in ons jong demokrasie.
26 Nov 2008, 12:47 pm
#157 Sheriff: Vat jou Video kamera saam na jou Pa wanneer julle gesels, broer….. moenie maak soos ek gemaak het nie, maak soos ek sê !
26 Nov 2008, 12:52 pm
So bv wil ek nog ondersoek instel oor die tendens in Kaap en omliggende gedeeltes oor die aksent van die “cullerts” of dan noue “bruin mense”.
Terloops die gedeeltes waar ek grootgeword het word seker van die suiwerste (indien daar so iets is, sê maar Alg beskaafde uitspraak) Afrikaans gepraat.
My vermoede is dat gegewe die geografiese voorkoms, dit direk verband hou met die slawe in die kolonie. Onthou Afrikaans was mos maar as ‘n kombuistaal “uitgeskel” deur die Engelse, aldus Prof Pont.
Voorts vermoed ek dat die maleier (malay) ook ‘n deurslaggewende rol gespeel het hierin, maar dit blote “gut feel”
Die tragedie van so baie mense is natuurlik dat hulle nie ‘n vae idee het hoekom hulle leef en dink soos wat hulle doen nie.
26 Nov 2008, 12:54 pm
#161 grootblousmile:
Ek **** jou broer.
26 Nov 2008, 12:55 pm
#160 Pietman: Ja, die Britte het mos die Lee-Metford en Lee-Enfield gewere gehad, meestal….
26 Nov 2008, 12:57 pm
poor toulon, mb. jake can do something with the forwards, or is he “depasse” now, we’ll get get a glimpse next wednesday, is the game televised?
26 Nov 2008, 12:58 pm
#162 Sheriff:
Ek dink dis maar deel van die Afrikaanse dialek, die manier wat die Kaapse mense praat.
My pa ‘pgaaat oek soe’, en so praat die Namakwalander weer anders, en die Bosvelder, en die Upingtonner, en so aan.
En dikwels is die woordeskat regionaal, ek meen, min mense verstaan die Namakwalandse woordeskat (woorde soos ‘gaat’ vir koffie en ‘bies’ vir dikmelk.)
As jy na PdeV se Afrikaans luister, dan is dit so goed jy **** my broer praat!
26 Nov 2008, 13:02 pm
#162 Sheriff: Ja jong…. solank ons almal net besef dat ons behoort vas te klou aan ons Geskiedenis, aan ons elkeen se paadjie waar hy vandaan kom………. dit is wat ons land gevorm en geskaaf het…….. en dit behoort ons trots te wees en te bly.
Ek sal natuurlik hemelsbreed met jou verskil oor waar die suiwerste Afrikaans vandaan kom…….. hehehe…… dit kom van die Vrystaat af man….. daar tussen Kroonstad en Viljoenskroon……… waar my mense vandaan kom !
26 Nov 2008, 13:02 pm
sheriff, grootblousmile, pietman, aseblief, do you mind taking up less cyberspace, met jou kakpraat, dankie.
26 Nov 2008, 13:03 pm
#168 jean-jacques:
Sorry, sallie werie…
26 Nov 2008, 13:04 pm
#166 Pietman: Jy het maar self ‘n lekwar Afrikaanse Aksent ou Pieta….. as jy so hier na my toe bel in die oggende vroeg en die dogter antwoord, dan sê sy….. “Dis daai Oom wat so snaaks praat”….. dan weet ek dis Pietman oppie lyn !
26 Nov 2008, 13:05 pm
#168 jean-jacques: Ag, gaan loop skyt innie mielies man !
26 Nov 2008, 13:06 pm
#166 Pietman:
Nee ek aanvaar dit so, maar hoekom dit so is, is wat my fassineer. Onthou in die vorige dispensasie is baie geld belê en strukture geskep om studies te doen oor die Afrikaner ensomeer – geen probleem daarmee.
Maar in die huidige dispensasie is die bruin mense weer ‘n te veel van ‘n minderheid om soortgelyke projekte van stapel stuur. Nie dat ek op ‘n moerse “bruin mission” is nie, maar die deursnee persoon dink net nie daaraan nie. Dis vir die man wat daaraan dink om gestalte daaraan te gee.
Of soos die Kapenaar wat sê “iek” vir ek en die Vaalpens wat sê “ak”
Dan is daar ook mooore en more…
26 Nov 2008, 13:07 pm
#170 grootblousmile:
Se haar ek is n Capie, sy was sieka noggie innie Kapie!
26 Nov 2008, 13:08 pm
#168 jean-jacques:
Gaan speel buite.
26 Nov 2008, 13:10 pm
#173 Pietman:
Lyk my nou dat jy in Suid Korea is praat jy meer Afrikaans as ooit tevore.
26 Nov 2008, 13:12 pm
#172 Sheriff:
Nasionaliste het kuk gemaak in 1952, vra jou pa.
Of gaan lees die sgn Harris-beslissings van die Kaapse hooggeregshof, (AD).
Toe hulle die ‘kleurling’ van die kieserslys afgehaal het.
My pa vloek nou nog daar oor.
Predikante in die politiek wat kuk gemaak het vandaar af aan tot nog toe, vanaf DF Malan destyds tot Mak Stofile vandag.
Almal dominees…..
As Smuts nie in 1948 verloor het nie, was ons n ander land vandag.
26 Nov 2008, 13:13 pm
#152 WP Till I Die:
Strange the same was said about me…
I just preach a different gospel!
26 Nov 2008, 13:14 pm
#175 Sheriff:
Ek oefen!
En dis hoekom ek op keo is ook, om bietjie Afrikaans te ‘****’, buiten die politieke perspektiewe wat n ou hier optel van oor die hele wereld se Saffas.
Dit maak keo vir my lekker.
26 Nov 2008, 13:22 pm
#176 Pietman: Het jy in ‘n Sappe-huis grootgeword ??
Damn, daar was darem daai tyd hewige familietwiste oor Natte en Sappe ook….. as jy van die een soort was het jy nie eers gewaag om met die ander soort te meng of te trou nie….. jy sou summier onterf gewees het en soos ‘n ou lap weggegooi gewees het.
26 Nov 2008, 13:23 pm
#178 Pietman:
Ja dit maar moeilik om net normaal te verkeer, alles word verpolitiseer.
Maar my gevoel is dat die ding homself sal uitwoed.
Ons moet baklei maar sal mekaar weer êrens op gemene grond vind. Dis ‘n SA wat ek en jy opgewonde oor kan raak.
26 Nov 2008, 13:27 pm
#180 Sheriff: Jy weet wat, met al die baklei en al die stront kom mens meer en meer agter dat hoe meer jy verskil, hoe meer en meer is jy eintlik in baie opsigte en in wese dieselfde.
Ons land se mensies is nou maar vir eens en altyd nie gemaak om te gaan lê nie, en te fight tot die bloed loop vir dit wat vir ons belangrik is….
26 Nov 2008, 13:29 pm
#180 Sheriff:
Sal so wees, ons is te ongeduldig.
Korea het 5,000 jaar geneem om n demokrasie te vind wat werk, hoe oud is onse land?
26 Nov 2008, 13:29 pm
Nog ‘n selfopgelegde taak vir volgende jaar is om die invloed van Jode in SA verder te ondersoek.
Wil oa Tony Leon se boek lees en net so vir 6 maande daarop fokus om dit beter te verstaan.
Geen anti-semitiese agendas, doodgewone soeke na beter begrip.
26 Nov 2008, 13:31 pm
#181 grootblousmile:
Ek dink, nie dat al baie tyd in die buiteland deurgebring het nie, maar as jy ‘n Suid Afrikaner daar raakloop, dan voel dit seker soos familie.
26 Nov 2008, 13:32 pm
#179 grootblousmile:
Ja, oupa was n ou harde Sap, het vanaf Parow na De Grendel gestap om n woordjie met De Villiers Graaf te wissel as hy beswaard was.
Ma se familie teenoorgestelde, Natte uit die Kalahari, ek in die middel soos n outjie wat tennis kyk tydens politieke gesprekke in die huis…en ma brei net al vinnger en skud haar kop as pa politiek praat!
Moes n video-opnemer gehad het daai tyd…
26 Nov 2008, 13:33 pm
#182 Pietman:
Ons het ‘n bloedbad vermy maar sal nog ‘n harde pad stap in die toekoms.
Maar daar is deurbrake. Die dat ek wil hê die ANC moet val, want hulle boer rêrig agteruit.
26 Nov 2008, 13:38 pm
#185 Pietman:
Ek ken toevallig ‘n afstammeling van De Villiers Graaff met dieselfde naam.
Hy is getroud met iemand wat saam met my vrou op koshuis was. Nou kyk daai meisiekind kan dans – nie langarm nie. Ou Divvie het maar so op sy manier probeer by hou.
Snaaks genoeg was hulle saam daar by Huis De Villiers!!!
26 Nov 2008, 13:41 pm
#184 Sheriff: Ja….. ons almal is Afrikane….. uit Afrika………. ons voel net regtig tuis in Afrika…
Ons is maar gewoond aan mekaar se grille en dinge….
My Pa het altyd gesê “Ons is so lief vir mekaar, dat ons mekaar eintlik haat” !
26 Nov 2008, 13:48 pm
#188 Sheriff: #189 grootblousmile:
Okei, ek ga ees loep, gou gakyk wat so lekka ruik daa in die ko’buis by Pampoen….vinnige doppie sluk in die livieng room oppad soentoe…en dan moet ek by my werk gaan check en boeke vat vinnig.
Tjek djulle laters.
26 Nov 2008, 13:52 pm
#189 Pietman:
Ons praat weer Pieter en GBS (amper skryf ek sy regte naam)
26 Nov 2008, 14:45 pm
waar is pietman nou, is hy van bellvile af, cy.
26 Nov 2008, 15:17 pm
#192 jean-jacques:
CFR, Kraaifontein, Scottsdene.
Maar dit het fcol met jou uit te waai nie.
26 Nov 2008, 15:23 pm
#192 jean-jacques:
Weet jy iets van rugby, of is jy nog net n nonsensprater soos Tulsa, wpboytjie en saru1983?
Indien wel, is jou kuk geboek hier op keo, by my…
26 Nov 2008, 15:57 pm
They clearly need some decent locks in that team.
26 Nov 2008, 19:00 pm
pietman speel jy rugby?
26 Nov 2008, 19:03 pm
#195 jean-jacques: He did play rugby…. at his advanced age it is not reccommended anymore……..
26 Nov 2008, 19:22 pm
…. Pietman should be about 155 years old now….. I know he just barely missed the Great Trek……….. hehehe
26 Nov 2008, 23:20 pm
grootblousmile, pietman quoted, saffas
26 Nov 2008, 23:22 pm
grootblousmile, pietman quoted, saffas are in demand, they dont mind hard work,are sociable, and liked by their hosts, he forget to add that we are good-looking too.
27 Nov 2008, 00:38 am
grootblousmile, i think pietman, must change his name to piet retief
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