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		<title>By: bananas</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2009/06/15/when-winning-isnt-everything/#comment-1318429</link>
		<dc:creator>bananas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 12:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1318301&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;156 mshiniwami&lt;/a&gt;: So Mwishi you are happy with playing a wing at FB and Nokwe another &quot;rookie&quot; at wing ? What about playing a no8 at 6 as well as the no2 as no 3 ? 

The bloggers are entitled to express opinions about ALL the Bok coaches purported selections - not just PdVs. 
BUT when you take the top job you get shot at, rememeber Jake White he got kicked every week by bloggers and politicians ! 
And one PdV had no problem putting the boot in to the incumbent Bok coach during a Bok tour of UK !!! 

Suck it up man, we are all fervent supporters and entitled to express opinions. This team belongs to SA not one man. Many coachs have found this out the hard way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#<a href="#comment-1318301" rel="nofollow">156 mshiniwami</a>: So Mwishi you are happy with playing a wing at FB and Nokwe another &#8220;rookie&#8221; at wing ? What about playing a no8 at 6 as well as the no2 as no 3 ? </p>
<p>The bloggers are entitled to express opinions about ALL the Bok coaches purported selections &#8211; not just PdVs.<br />
BUT when you take the top job you get shot at, rememeber Jake White he got kicked every week by bloggers and politicians !<br />
And one PdV had no problem putting the boot in to the incumbent Bok coach during a Bok tour of UK !!! </p>
<p>Suck it up man, we are all fervent supporters and entitled to express opinions. This team belongs to SA not one man. Many coachs have found this out the hard way.</p>
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		<title>By: grootblousmile</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2009/06/15/when-winning-isnt-everything/#comment-1318323</link>
		<dc:creator>grootblousmile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 11:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1318312&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;158 Pietman&lt;/a&gt;: Die &quot;fletse&quot; is die pitsweer van Slaapstad.... onheiligheid broei daar !]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#<a href="#comment-1318312" rel="nofollow">158 Pietman</a>: Die &#8220;fletse&#8221; is die pitsweer van Slaapstad&#8230;. onheiligheid broei daar !</p>
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		<title>By: Pietman</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2009/06/15/when-winning-isnt-everything/#comment-1318312</link>
		<dc:creator>Pietman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 11:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1318306&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;157 mk&lt;/a&gt;: 
Nee jong, ek ry draaie om die fletse.
Maar jy het darem gister te veel op verkeerde mense geskel, selfs Transformasie het jou stilgemaak.....of onthou jy nie.
Jy moet stadig met die rassisme man, die mense hier hou nie daarvan nie, hoor jy?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#<a href="#comment-1318306" rel="nofollow">157 mk</a>:<br />
Nee jong, ek ry draaie om die fletse.<br />
Maar jy het darem gister te veel op verkeerde mense geskel, selfs Transformasie het jou stilgemaak&#8230;..of onthou jy nie.<br />
Jy moet stadig met die rassisme man, die mense hier hou nie daarvan nie, <acronym title="Keep it clean!">****</acronym> jy?</p>
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		<title>By: mk</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2009/06/15/when-winning-isnt-everything/#comment-1318306</link>
		<dc:creator>mk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 11:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1318250&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;150 Pietman&lt;/a&gt;: wat gaan met jou aan?as n persoon nie met jou saamstem nie dan kom hulle altyd van die &quot;fletse&quot; af.het iets sleg met jou gebeur daar op die &quot;fletse&quot; of wat of het jy maar net n &quot;backward mentality&quot;?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#<a href="#comment-1318250" rel="nofollow">150 Pietman</a>: wat gaan met jou aan?as n persoon nie met jou saamstem nie dan kom hulle altyd van die &#8220;fletse&#8221; af.het iets sleg met jou gebeur daar op die &#8220;fletse&#8221; of wat of het jy maar net n &#8220;backward mentality&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: mshiniwami</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2009/06/15/when-winning-isnt-everything/#comment-1318301</link>
		<dc:creator>mshiniwami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 11:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Again this site is fcuking depressing..Vitriol at its best

People are touting Brussow as the saviour of Bok rugby all of sudden.He is a ROOKIE in the Test arena,with only 1 test to his name and even though he had a great S14 he still has the propensity to give away a plethora of penalties which will even be worse with the employment of the global ELV&#039;s.


Frans Steyn has long been touted as a 15 by all and sundry on this blog,many a time being suggested as a great there one day and should be played there.PDiV finally chooses him there-the desk coaches call him an idiot for doing so.And have suggested we filed a rookie 15 (Kirchner) and a rookie 10 (Morne Steyn) in this series..

PDiv cant win in most of the circles in SA rugby and the public anyway so why not pick what he wants and be the owner of his destiny.Thats all any MAN wants.

Plenty of hypocrites on here..

Its ridicilous]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again this site is <acronym title="Keep it clean!">*******</acronym> depressing..Vitriol at its best</p>
<p>People are touting Brussow as the saviour of Bok rugby all of sudden.He is a ROOKIE in the Test arena,with only 1 test to his name and even though he had a great S14 he still has the propensity to give away a plethora of penalties which will even be worse with the employment of the global ELV&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Frans Steyn has long been touted as a 15 by all and sundry on this blog,many a time being suggested as a great there one day and should be played there.PDiV finally chooses him there-the desk coaches call him an idiot for doing so.And have suggested we filed a rookie 15 (Kirchner) and a rookie 10 (Morne Steyn) in this series..</p>
<p>PDiv cant win in most of the circles in SA rugby and the public anyway so why not pick what he wants and be the owner of his destiny.Thats all any MAN wants.</p>
<p>Plenty of hypocrites on here..</p>
<p>Its ridicilous</p>
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		<title>By: Pietman</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2009/06/15/when-winning-isnt-everything/#comment-1318293</link>
		<dc:creator>Pietman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 11:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1318287&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;154 grootblousmile&lt;/a&gt;: 
Ja, &#039;Umkhonto&#039; is steeds besig ou maat, maar wat, hy is rerig kragteloos sonder Langkop en Namakwaland....hy praat maar net....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#<a href="#comment-1318287" rel="nofollow">154 grootblousmile</a>:<br />
Ja, &#8216;Umkhonto&#8217; is steeds besig ou maat, maar wat, hy is rerig kragteloos sonder Langkop en Namakwaland&#8230;.hy praat maar net&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: grootblousmile</title>
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		<dc:creator>grootblousmile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 11:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1318268&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;152 Pietman&lt;/a&gt;: MMmm, ek sien hier&#039;s &#039;n dowwe drol wat wil sweets he....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#<a href="#comment-1318268" rel="nofollow">152 Pietman</a>: MMmm, ek sien hier&#8217;s &#8216;n dowwe drol wat wil sweets he&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Breakdown Boy</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2009/06/15/when-winning-isnt-everything/#comment-1318286</link>
		<dc:creator>Breakdown Boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 11:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1318231&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;149 Desertfaffa&lt;/a&gt;: Anyway, you are rightfull to your oppinion.

As we do not know what either team will be it is hard to make a prediction so I will put it down to 2 results based on one key decision: Who plays pivot for boks?

Result one: Monrne Steyn plays, kicks every penalty that lions give away, which should be around every time we form a ruck in there half, so a garenteed 12 - 20 points. This forces the lions to play according to the rules which makes the game more open and allowes the boks to run rampant, of course BOD and co will test  us and we will give some penalties to so I would sugest a score of about 35 - 20 for the BOKS.


Result two: Ruan Pinaar plays and misses 40%-50% of his penalty kicks, but still we win because we have a very experienced side but will have to work harder to put the lions under pressure. 27 - 20]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#<a href="#comment-1318231" rel="nofollow">149 Desertfaffa</a>: Anyway, you are rightfull to your oppinion.</p>
<p>As we do not know what either team will be it is hard to make a prediction so I will put it down to 2 results based on one key decision: Who plays pivot for boks?</p>
<p>Result one: Monrne Steyn plays, kicks every penalty that lions give away, which should be around every time we form a ruck in there half, so a garenteed 12 &#8211; 20 points. This forces the lions to play according to the rules which makes the game more open and allowes the boks to run rampant, of course BOD and co will test  us and we will give some penalties to so I would sugest a score of about 35 &#8211; 20 for the BOKS.</p>
<p>Result two: Ruan Pinaar plays and misses 40%-50% of his penalty kicks, but still we win because we have a very experienced side but will have to work harder to put the lions under pressure. 27 &#8211; 20</p>
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		<title>By: Pietman</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2009/06/15/when-winning-isnt-everything/#comment-1318268</link>
		<dc:creator>Pietman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 11:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1318264&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;151 Desertfaffa&lt;/a&gt;: 
O, ok thx.
Welkom op keo, btw.
En hier hou ons godslasterlikheid en politiek uit die gesprek, keo se regulasies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#<a href="#comment-1318264" rel="nofollow">151 Desertfaffa</a>:<br />
O, ok thx.<br />
Welkom op keo, btw.<br />
En hier hou ons godslasterlikheid en politiek uit die gesprek, keo se regulasies.</p>
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		<title>By: Desertfaffa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Desertfaffa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 11:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1318250&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;150 Pietman&lt;/a&gt;: Arabian. Is a woestyn an angry garden?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#<a href="#comment-1318250" rel="nofollow">150 Pietman</a>: Arabian. Is a woestyn an angry garden?</p>
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		<title>By: Pietman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pietman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 10:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1318231&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;149 Desertfaffa&lt;/a&gt;: 
Jy ook een van daai ouens wat jou punt probeer maak deur heeltyd die &#039;Groot Naam&#039; te roep...watter woestyn woon jy in, die fletse se duineveld?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#<a href="#comment-1318231" rel="nofollow">149 Desertfaffa</a>:<br />
Jy ook een van daai ouens wat jou punt probeer maak deur heeltyd die &#8216;Groot Naam&#8217; te roep&#8230;watter woestyn woon jy in, die fletse se duineveld?</p>
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		<title>By: Desertfaffa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Desertfaffa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 10:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1318228&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;148 The-Pill&lt;/a&gt;: jussus bru, wat mekaar. lets leave that anyway. prediction on Sat?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#<a href="#comment-1318228" rel="nofollow">148 The-Pill</a>: jussus bru, wat mekaar. lets leave that anyway. prediction on Sat?</p>
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		<title>By: The-Pill</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2009/06/15/when-winning-isnt-everything/#comment-1318228</link>
		<dc:creator>The-Pill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 10:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1318203&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;143 Desertfaffa&lt;/a&gt;: Ai Fa Faaa Ha Ha haaa.

That was your argument. You are going on ifs and buts, not me.

Fact is. SA is deserving RWC winners. We lost the Tri Nations because we wasn`t good enough.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#<a href="#comment-1318203" rel="nofollow">143 Desertfaffa</a>: Ai Fa Faaa Ha Ha haaa.</p>
<p>That was your argument. You are going on ifs and buts, not me.</p>
<p>Fact is. SA is deserving RWC winners. We lost the Tri Nations because we wasn`t good enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Pietman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pietman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 10:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1318199&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;142 mk&lt;/a&gt;: 
I am here.
What&#039;s your problem Mkhonto?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#<a href="#comment-1318199" rel="nofollow">142 mk</a>:<br />
I am here.<br />
What&#8217;s your problem Mkhonto?</p>
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		<title>By: mk</title>
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		<dc:creator>mk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 10:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1318169&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;136 Kalahari Kid&lt;/a&gt;: gaan gerus voort want n man wat span wil verander omdat die coach sekere spelers moontlik nie gaan kies nie is maar taamlik dig.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#<a href="#comment-1318169" rel="nofollow">136 Kalahari Kid</a>: gaan gerus voort want n man wat span wil verander omdat die coach sekere spelers moontlik nie gaan kies nie is maar taamlik dig.</p>
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		<title>By: Desertfaffa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Desertfaffa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 10:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All I am saying is that we seem to think that we are soo good but we won a world cup that we weren’t even stretched with and lost a tri nations pretty freeken badly, need I remind you 6 played, 4 lost, 2 won. 

B&amp;I’s 5 games on the trot won. We have been sitting on our arses. It is going to be a very close game.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I am saying is that we seem to think that we are soo good but we won a world cup that we weren’t even stretched with and lost a tri nations pretty freeken badly, need I remind you 6 played, 4 lost, 2 won. </p>
<p>B&amp;I’s 5 games on the trot won. We have been sitting on our arses. It is going to be a very close game.</p>
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		<title>By: peterg123</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 10:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[# 140. Heavens Game

Thanks for this. of course I agree there is a lot of turkey talk from the Lions and the Brit media, trying to egg on the Springboks into losing cool. But I still think fans and management should be taking this series very seriously indeed, especially the crucial first Test where the lions have the continuity and altitude advantages. We have witnessed some very good Lions players out there and they are canny fellows.

PdV has improved his ideas of the game at this level. If we can play the combination of basics and then &quot;what&#039;s in front of you&quot; when and if opportunity is there, we will surely beat them. That seemed to be the pattern of PdV after he had digested the tri-Nations loss. Let&#039;s hope he keeps it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p># 140. Heavens Game</p>
<p>Thanks for this. of course I agree there is a lot of turkey talk from the Lions and the Brit media, trying to egg on the Springboks into losing cool. But I still think fans and management should be taking this series very seriously indeed, especially the crucial first Test where the lions have the continuity and altitude advantages. We have witnessed some very good Lions players out there and they are canny fellows.</p>
<p>PdV has improved his ideas of the game at this level. If we can play the combination of basics and then &#8220;what&#8217;s in front of you&#8221; when and if opportunity is there, we will surely beat them. That seemed to be the pattern of PdV after he had digested the tri-Nations loss. Let&#8217;s hope he keeps it.</p>
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		<title>By: Desertfaffa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Desertfaffa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 10:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1318197&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;141 The-Pill&lt;/a&gt;: C’mon guys, show a bit of rugby know-how. We all know that if you beat a side, it doesn’t mean that you’re automatically better than sides they beat. Jussus what do you guys watch on the weekend.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#<a href="#comment-1318197" rel="nofollow">141 The-Pill</a>: C’mon guys, show a bit of rugby know-how. We all know that if you beat a side, it doesn’t mean that you’re automatically better than sides they beat. Jussus what do you guys watch on the weekend.</p>
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		<title>By: mk</title>
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		<dc:creator>mk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 10:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1318111&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;101 Koos van der merwe&lt;/a&gt;: with this post  you will be a marked man for the rest of the day.just wait until pietman and his gang turn up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#<a href="#comment-1318111" rel="nofollow">101 Koos van der merwe</a>: with this post  you will be a marked man for the rest of the day.just wait until pietman and his gang turn up.</p>
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		<title>By: The-Pill</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2009/06/15/when-winning-isnt-everything/#comment-1318197</link>
		<dc:creator>The-Pill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 10:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1318175&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;137 Desertfaffa&lt;/a&gt;: Could have should have blah blah......

We also could have klapped the All Blacks and France. Both those teams were not good enough to even get to the point to face us.

If they were so deserving, why didn`t they make the grade against teams that we beat?

Your logic is very flawed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#<a href="#comment-1318175" rel="nofollow">137 Desertfaffa</a>: Could have should have blah blah&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>We also could have klapped the All Blacks and France. Both those teams were not good enough to even get to the point to face us.</p>
<p>If they were so deserving, why didn`t they make the grade against teams that we beat?</p>
<p>Your logic is very flawed.</p>
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