Lievremont: Giteau better than Carter
26 Jun 2009
France coach Marc Lievremont claims Matt Giteau has surpassed Dan Carter as the best flyhalf in world rugby.
It might be unfair to make a judgment at this point in time with Carter ruled out for the rest of season with an Achilles injury.
But that hasn’t affected Lievremont’s thinking and to his mind Giteau has been the best for some time.
‘For me he is the best playmaker in the world – he has perfected the position,’ Lievremont told the Sydney Morning Herald.
‘Everyone speaks about Carter. Carter has been injured, [but] it has already been a bit of time, about 18 months that he has been less good. He was not so good even for the 2007 World Cup.
‘Giteau is totally exceptional. They are two players who are exceptional. Carter has been injured, but [Giteau] is at least of the same level. He is really at the summit of the world, one would say, as a No 10.’
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26 Jun 2009, 13:51 pm
#48 Erfplaas:
To be honest, its hard to remember what else he did outside of that match, that run.
NZers always wondered what had happened to him ?! Actually I dont ever recall him playing again. Did he play many Tests ?
Hey, we rate any prop from SA altho Im not sure Ollie le Roux enhanced the rep. And even Sephaka made Tialata look World class. Lets just assume poor old Lawrence was there to improve the team posters.
So Bands was injured ? was he a damaging scrummager ?
26 Jun 2009, 13:51 pm
#49 BlackPanther: I wasn’t talking about NZ. Stodders is basically trying to say France don’t try against England. Nonsense really.
I think the Wallabies are in a more fortunate position than NZ, France lost more players to injury during that series and now they have the Bastarneaud scandal. The advantage is with Aus but I’m picking France because I don’t really rate Aus and these French guys will like the dry pitch to play wide rugby.
26 Jun 2009, 13:59 pm
What a lot a ****.
Gits is great.
Danny Boy is great.
Great, greater, greatest.
Best, bester, bestest.
I all depends on your eye patch.
And mine is black.
Black, blacker, blackest.
Wouldn’t mind having Gits at 12 for my Team just the same.
26 Jun 2009, 14:00 pm
#53 cane:
‘And mine is black.
Black, blacker, blackest. ‘
so Stephen Donald is your no.1?
26 Jun 2009, 14:01 pm
#52 Big Hit:
when do you NOT have a conveniently placed box of excuses on hand to explain away any result that you wish to rubbish ?
Oh so French have injuries and the ABs did not ?
pathetic. Always injuries or end of season of players unavailable. Never ever do you just cop it on the chin. Never admit when youre wrong in face of the facts. So incredibly childish. Youre a F R A U D, always have been. Why dont you just leave the rugby up to some real men.
And no wonder your team is so sh*te. No wonder Shaun Edwards is now blaming the 1st Test loss on ELVs that the NH have never ever played under. Truly and embarrassingly pathetic whinging:-
“Then there is the rolling maul and a horrible irony of the ELVs. I hated them and never want to see them return, but had the experiment not been ended the Lions might have done a lot better in Durban; all those full penalties that would have been mere free-kicks a few months ago and the rolling maul that so hurt early in the second half.
ELVs allowed the maul to be pulled down whereas now we have to re-learn the techniques of stopping it in its tracks. This week the forwards have been working hard to get the recipe right, and it’s no secret that mauling or stopping the maul is one of Simon’s strengths.”
26 Jun 2009, 14:02 pm
#52 Big Hit:
The “El Bastardo Scandal”, is no more than a leason in life for a young man afraid of the truth.
The Pommie Gang of Four …..is an entirely different matter.
8)
26 Jun 2009, 14:07 pm
#54 Big Hit:
He (Stevie) would be my third choice 10. Given the perfect world.
Unfortunately, as you will be well aware, such a world, exists but rarely.
8)
26 Jun 2009, 14:08 pm
#56 cane: the report is there to be read on the so called gang of four. The reality according to the judge’s investigation was very different to the wild media rumours. No doubt that’ll never be enough to convince you about those bad England boys.
#55 BlackPanther: If you read what I was saying I was actually saying the French were stronger against NZ than they will be against Aus.
26 Jun 2009, 14:09 pm
#57 cane: I think he’s underrated, Henry said as much just recently and whilst he’s not my favourite coach he has seen a few good 10s in his time.
26 Jun 2009, 14:14 pm
#51 BlackPanther: He was unbelievably strong in my opinion (for the record I never played prop nor consider myself an expert – disclaimer)
He was the last really good TH we had in SA from a scrummaging perspective. The best part of his game for me was the massive hits he put in (one that comes to mind on Richie,Bulls vs Crusaders 2004)He played about 10 tests and about half of them was in the WC 2003.
His playing career was marred by knee injury. He made a comeback beginning of last year fot he Bulls in the Vodacom cup as captain but got suspenned for ramming the other hooker. Think he retired after the suspension and injury in that game, not sure though.
But agree with you on Carl def the finest TH currently.
26 Jun 2009, 14:17 pm
#57 cane:
Remember, if Kiwis think he’s sh*te, BH thinks he’s ‘underrated’. If Kiwis think he’s great…..well, you get the drift.
Its a similar conversation I have with my wife. You cant win.
I think the word ‘manufactured’ best describes the abilities of Donald Duck. The kicking style and mantra he goes thru, the passes, the incessant and repeated chip kicks.
He looks like one of rugbys honest toilers, a team man who doesnt complain. Lets face it, we’ve been spoilt by Mehrts, Carlos, DC, Evans…. Donald Duck may look classy to a Pom but then again they are currently selecting Toby Flood and Andy Goode in the same position.
26 Jun 2009, 14:20 pm
#61 BlackPanther: what’s wrong with Toby Flood?
Evans is not that good at all, overrated because of pace, Spencer was good at running, not so great at other aspects.
Mehretens was the real deal.
Also Henry thinks Donald is good so not all kiwis think he’s ****. They’re incredibly harsh on him I feel.
26 Jun 2009, 14:21 pm
#60 Erfplaas:
I have already offered Carl my 1st born. Im still looking for the translation of “grunt”.
Im a big Os man meself. I always remember the 1st year of S12 and watching him storm up the sideline and throwing a blind, overhead pass to his teammate. Like Campo at RWC 91 vs ABs, except with an extra 80kegs. What a man, and a true gent.
Most of my heroes are fellow tight-fwds. Altho I cant really go past Danie Gerber or Andy Irvine as my fantasy idols.
26 Jun 2009, 15:52 pm
#63 BlackPanther:
Yeah Os in his prime was a FREAK…had no weaknesses as a loosehead between 96-97 he was RIDICULOUS..If the was an IRB player of the yr award back then he would have been close to winning.He was SA player of the yr 97′
I remember him in that first yr of Super 12 catching the ball on the outside,sprinting down the touchline beating the winger coming on cover defense and running right over Gregan vs Brumbies..
His chip and chase and matching Jeff Wilson for pace in the Dunedin Test in 99′ almost had my eyes pop out my socket..LOL
Injuries robbed us of him at his peak
LEGEND
Hayman transition from when he was the 1000th AB in 2000 to the monster of 2005 was PHENOMENAL..
26 Jun 2009, 15:54 pm
#64 mshiniwami:
Amazing!
How do you remember all that stuff…I always wonder about that?
26 Jun 2009, 15:57 pm
#65 Pietman: Ja nee ek ook Pietman! Daai ou is soos n olifant!
26 Jun 2009, 15:59 pm
#66 bokfan1:
Jy moet hom check.
Hy onthou alles, weet nie hoe kry hy dit reg nie.
26 Jun 2009, 16:03 pm
#67 Pietman: Ek vind dit nogal moeilik om dinge te onthou van spesifieke games – miskien is ek te op my senewees (of gesuip) om alles duidelik to onthou
Maar jy kry daai mense, soos hulle se Jake White kan ook alles onthou van games en wat gebeur het in a spesifieke spel beweging! ongelooflik vir my.
26 Jun 2009, 16:28 pm
#64 mshiniwami:
Agreed. Yes, I remember the Gregan rollover. He looked like a piece of dogsh*t being shaken off Os’ boot.
It was a shame his knees packed up. He still had enough in the tank and nous to turn his attention to the tight-fwd skills, but sadly his pace went west with his cartilege.
Hayman was a work in progress for many years at my beloved Otago before suddenly wreaking havoc on all’n'sundry. I pray every night at my Rugby Shrine that C.Newlands and Whoppa MacIntosh do the same by the time 2011 rolls around. They were stunning against the Bulls this year, average against the Sharks 2 rounds later. Thats what you get with young tall props, alot of patience is required. Worth the wait tho.
Another cult hero in NZ is Flippie van der Merwe, colossal Bok prop on 1981 tour. He had a belly that would make Piet van Zyl proud. If I recall correctly, he was playing vs Wellington but came out with an un-numbered jersey. The tannoy then announced something like “Mr van der Merwe will not be wearing the 3 jersey but instead un-numbered as he could not fit the replacement props jersey”. The crowd ROARED and he became the cult hero player for the rest of the tour.
The ABs subsequently selected an overweight Maori prop coincidentally from Wellington called Scott Chrichton. The Flippie comparisons never ceased.
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