Currie Cup under threat
8 Jul 2009
South Africa’s premier domestic competition faces an uncertain future.
During Sanzar’s Super Rugby expansion negotiations, acting SA Rugby MD Andy Marinos insisted his organisation would not allow the Currie Cup – South Africa’s premier domestic competition – to be devalued in any way. So it was somewhat surprising when Sanzar announced a new Super 15 format that will see the southern-hemisphere regional tournament finish in early August (instead of late May) and the Springboks’ Tri-Nations campaign wrap up in late September (instead of early September) from 2011.
Considering the Currie Cup final has to be played at the end of October, at the latest, because of the Springboks’ Test commitments in November, the Boks will only be available for two or three matches of the Currie Cup league stage (out of 14) and the play-offs (if their teams qualify). That’s four or five weeks in a tournament that runs for three months.
Of course, in all his public statements, Marinos failed to mention that SA Rugby had no choice but to fight for the Currie Cup in its Sanzar meetings because in 2007 it sold the TV rights for all incoming Test tours and Currie Cup tournaments from 2011-2015 to SuperSport.
You may recall the controversy it caused at the time, with SuperSport paying R700 million – considered to be a bargain – including a R30 million ‘sweetener’ that allowed SA Rugby to show a profit when it released its financial statements in early 2008. SA Rugby also didn’t give rival broadcasters e.tv and the SABC a chance to tender, which infuriated then-Saru vice-president Koos Basson, who described the agreement as ‘flawed’.
However, the fact remains that the Currie Cup will have to be played until 2015, but what will happen to it after that? Discussions have already been held between Sanzar members about increasing the Super 15 to 18 teams in 2013 (one more South African side and possibly two from Japan).
While Marinos insists there would just be more conference matches, and the tournament wouldn’t be much longer, who’s to say that SA Rugby won’t buckle again and agree to a Super 18 that ends in late August, with the Tri-Nations finishing in mid- October? The Currie Cup would then become a glorified Vodacom Cup, with Springboks playing exclusively for their Super Rugby franchises and the national side.
Perhaps it’s time South Africans accepted that while the Currie Cup is a special competition with more than a century of history, there’s simply not enough room for it and an expanded Super Rugby competition in the calendar.
By Simon Borchardt
– This first appeared in SA Rugby magazine
250 Comments
8 Jul 2009, 09:17 am
Drakie!
8 Jul 2009, 09:18 am
modern game…new world….all about tv!
8 Jul 2009, 09:20 am
Its actually very simple: start with the vodacom cup, scrap the super 14, have the currie cup and then a couple of rugby tours throughout the rest of the year.
Scrap the tri-nations, its getting v boring and never really worked anyway.
8 Jul 2009, 09:21 am
Ok. So you are saying we should accept it and just let the Currie Cup go. And from August there shouldn’t be a domestic competition?
8 Jul 2009, 09:25 am
Simon let’s be honest here.
For years now the Currie Cup, apart from arguably the final 2 or 3 round robin matches and the play-offs is nothing more than a glorified Vodacom Cup.
8 Jul 2009, 09:25 am
Ecclesiastes 10:19 but money answereth all things
and 1 Tim 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil
This means that money is important in this life yes and we should work hard etc, BUT once you start putting money ahead of morals and human ethics, that is when it starts being abused and brings to your destruction.
IRB & SANZAR all fall in the same trap as what this banking crisis is showing us. When you go too far with money and sell youself out at the price of your moral fiber, it will destroy you!
8 Jul 2009, 09:26 am
Ag, the Currie Cup is old news. The Boks hardly play in it as it is.
Contrary to the view above, I find the S14 and 3N’s very exciting!
8 Jul 2009, 09:27 am
Can Andy Marinos please accept a position at the IRB. Stop feeding us (rugby public) the manure he’s been dishing out the last few months. Kill the 3 nations. Go back to a true Super 10 (back to provinces that qualifies) and bring back extended tours. No more Friday night ****. Saturday afternoon 15:30 kick-off, for all games.
8 Jul 2009, 09:27 am
#5 PissAnt: My point exactly. Its been watered down for a few years now.
8 Jul 2009, 09:29 am
Tri-Nations should only be every 2 years. Not in the same year as the WC.
Shorten it to only playing 4 games again, one home, one away.
8 Jul 2009, 09:30 am
No Mellow, it is the LOVE of money, not money that is evil. Money is GOOOOD.
Morals and ethics are all relative anyway. One wife, two wife, five wife, underage wife? its all relative.
The main thing to remember about the bible is that God hates shell fish and shrimp and it says so if you read the book properly. Shrimp is an abomination and you can go to hell for eating it.
Rather stick to money.
And try be more mellow
8 Jul 2009, 09:33 am
#10 Blouste: That’s a good suggestion, but add in Argentina home and away (maintain 6 games).
8 Jul 2009, 09:34 am
In Europe the Heineken Cup runs concurrently with domestic leagues. Let the Vodacom Cup become a reserve league, with the Currie Cup still being the premier domestic league, with the S14 being like the Heineken Cup. Simple really. It will just mean that the various provinces will have to have decent squads.
8 Jul 2009, 09:34 am
#2 grant10:
#3 Nancy:
I agree with both of you.
We are stuck in this whole as long as the Sanzar “alliance” holds. Damn *uckhead money grabbing *icktwats!
I seriously do not even want to watch rugby anymore. And that from a guy that watches at least 2 games a week on average. Seriously??? Japan??? I mean what happened to the days when the Stormers would meet the Blues in full strength in the early 2000′s??? And don’t say “the glory days are over, get with the times!”
This is sad…
8 Jul 2009, 09:39 am
Yes Greenpoint, I didn’t watch the super14 because they didn’t have mnet in the clanger, but i heard it was boring.
scrap it.
Look north, same time zone, more money, easy beat opposition.
what more could we ask for?
8 Jul 2009, 09:40 am
#8 dirkdk:
#10 Blouste:
Agree and agree again.
Woodenspoon and Pissan, I have to agree with you guys as well. But don’t you think that something should be done about this. I mean, the Currie Cup can’t be scrapped, and it can’t really continue in the it’s current form…
8 Jul 2009, 09:40 am
#14 Greenpoint-Gunner: overkill….too much rugby means the mystique gone….
8 Jul 2009, 09:41 am
#15 Nancy: yip….worse news ever when the SAanzar Alliance survived the last spat…..SA always on the recieving end…
8 Jul 2009, 09:42 am
#15 Nancy:
I watched it and some of the games were REALLY REALLY boring. I know people say that it is boring every year, but this year took the cake, so to speak. Mind you the elves didn’t help since most teams are convinced that the best way to play with them is to kick as much as possible…
8 Jul 2009, 09:42 am
#17 grant10:
exactly
8 Jul 2009, 09:43 am
#13 lion4ever: I think you got it right there… move the currie cup to start earlier with alternating games of super 14. like the Heineken cup and the various donmestic competitions in Europe.
The only problem is the extended travelling for the SA sides, and it will be quite a missison to time everything perfectly well.
They will also need to ensure that while there is squad rotation each player somehow plays an equal amount of super 14 to currie cup to avoid watering the games down.
8 Jul 2009, 09:45 am
#11 Nancy:
Which part in the text did you miss – I wrote the LOVE of money.
Try reading again and in cotext – thats exactly what i said – the LOVE of money makes people err – I know money is good!!
Chop!!
8 Jul 2009, 09:45 am
Scrap the anti-podean countries. Weaken them. Persuade them to sign up with japan and the pacific islands, who will hopefully injure them at the same time. Lets see how well richie mcaw plays with a broken neck!
8 Jul 2009, 09:48 am
Scrap the vodacom cup and create a national club league, ala varsity cup but for the big boys as well. Get those fringe currie cup players back in the club system to improve the level of skills etc, will be great for developing rugby to a higher level and increase player retention
8 Jul 2009, 09:48 am
#16 Greenpoint-Gunner:
The competition and the rivalries have to re-invent themselves in pro rugby.
8 Jul 2009, 09:49 am
Just as well Mellow, i thought you were getting a bit religious there.
So many people forget about how ***** stole that donkey and lied about faith being able to move a mountain which believe me, the vaalies would do if it was possible.
they have been eyeing table mountain for years.
8 Jul 2009, 09:56 am
Why not build the CC into the s14?
Local games will then be CC fixtures and s14 games.
I think the s15 is already watered down to much anyway .. and if they go s18, it will devalue it more.
More does not always equal better .. sometimes less equals more. S12 the bast, and at the most s14.
8 Jul 2009, 09:57 am
bast = best
8 Jul 2009, 10:01 am
I disagree that the Currie Cup would be a glorified Vodacom cup (V Cup) as the V Cup is played during the S14, meaning that 4 teams x 30 man squads equals 120+ top players that are not part of the V Cup.
The Currie Cup only misses 30 players (bok team), I don’t know about you but the two currie cups that did not have the boks in it before the world cup was brilliant, it is much higher plain of rugby than the V Cup.
SARU needs to keep promoting the Currie Cup and teams need to push the level of play and it will stay exciting.
8 Jul 2009, 10:05 am
#15 Nancy: Whoever told you this year’s S14 was boring should have their brain scanned. It was one of the most exciting ever. 6 or 7 teams were in it right up until the last round of games.
I guess it was boring if your mate is a Lions or Cheetahs fan…
8 Jul 2009, 10:08 am
On another note, is there going to be another announcement of the Tri-Nations squad or the current squad selected for the Lions series going to continue into the Tri-Nations?
The boks should anyway be released to play for their provinces this weekend or else by the time the AB arrive, we will be complaining about players being rusty
8 Jul 2009, 10:09 am
To me the MOST IMPORTANT priority is to keep our top players in South Africa. Whether they’re playing in the Currie Cup or S14, we still get to see them running out 7 or 8 times a year at their home stadiums in front of their home crowds.
So, if you need the maximum amount of Broadcast Dollars from SANZAR to make that happen, then so be it. That is preferable to Keo’s solution, which is to let them go play for Toulon or Leicester or whoever, and just pick our Boks from overseas based players.
I DO NOT want South Africa to end up as the Brazil of the rugby world, with our Boks being top class, but all our players playing for European clubs.
Whatever it takes for the Bulls to retain World Class stars like Victor Matfield, Pierre Spies, Fourie du Preez, Bakkies Botha and Bryan Habana, it is worth it.
Even if it means watering down our Currie Cup.
8 Jul 2009, 10:10 am
scrap the vodacom cup, that will help to fit the CC in. It will be a real shame if the currie cup ceases to exist…
8 Jul 2009, 10:13 am
If I see one more Valke game on Sky on a Friday night this year I’m gonna kots!
Feel totally deflated after the lions series; in fact: ek’s nou so lui my hol hang oop…
8 Jul 2009, 10:15 am
I think we should all pass around a hat and take a contract out on 1 certain Mr J.O’Niell. The Evil Emperor will not stop until the very last vestige of rugby traditions have been squeezed of the game as we know it. The Kiwis and Safas have stood quietly by as he has raped his SANZAR partners of their very last hint of a backbone and come away as the only winner once the dust has settled. And now theyre talking 18 teams ?! FFS, their teams are already 38% non-Australian and thats before the 15th team to be based in Melbourne. I only hate 1 person involved in rugby that is J.O’Neill. I feel positively overflowing for adoration of Stephen Jones compared.
8 Jul 2009, 10:18 am
Super 14 (or whatever) should stay, period.
8 Jul 2009, 10:22 am
#32 Tacitus: CC & S14/15 TV rights appear to be the only way to keep the majority onshore. Overseas clubs will always try to lure up and coming talent, it has always happened but if the rand/dollars (where ever youre from) are sufficient our crops will remain stronger. The funding to keep players in their countries come from media and the sooner folks realise that the better.
One can argue for old is best and the bible says this but the facts remain… if we want our talent to remain local then we need the funds to keep them local.
8 Jul 2009, 10:22 am
wow , they can’t do away with the CC . Always good to see good rugby between our own provincal teams. Some whould say but why do the boks need to play CC for 4 weeks , why not let the youngsters finish the CC because they been working hard troughout the year. But than again , supporters want to see the best in action at each game. Don’t think the CC will be sell out at any of the games this year , maybe the final will be. Hard times out there and i hope SA rugby will come down with ticket pricess so everybody can go watch some CC rugby and 3N rugby this year.
8 Jul 2009, 10:22 am
#35 WakaNathan:
The man’s a genius… SARU could learn from them… wait… nope maybe they couldn’t…
8 Jul 2009, 10:22 am
#36 Nils: It can stay but not at the cost of our Currie cup
I say this with no disrepect mate as i know you would’nt understand what the Currie cup has meant to SA or its rugby
How they will fit it in i dont know , but i know the Currie cup is issential to our rugby and cannot ever be undermind and put at risk
8 Jul 2009, 10:23 am
the s14
is now
way too
cumbersome
it
should have been
streamlined
and they did
the opposite
marinos
is every bit
as stupid
as div
8 Jul 2009, 10:25 am
#35 WakaNathan: Waka you can blame whomever you wish to blame for the downfall of the NPC but you will find the core of that lies in disillusionment of the AB performance. They win the majority of tests but falter at the big one. The NZ public are a loyal bunch, they love their rugby and support their teams… but they can take only so much. The NPC went pro not so long ago, it was never viable and NZRU has said as much. Be honest with yourself and stop trying to find a scapegoat.
8 Jul 2009, 10:26 am
Wow. An entry on Keo that is not fixated on bashing and insulting our national coach !
I just googled around and found this:
“It was reliably learnt that Hewitt, a law student who previously worked under Mark Keohane at Keo.co.za, was given an ultimatum on Monday to resign or be fired.”
Could that be part and parcel of the hatred and bile being poured out here 24/7 ?
8 Jul 2009, 10:27 am
Lol Limerick Bok, I feel the same, Dublin Bok.
8 Jul 2009, 10:29 am
#32 Tacitus: Those are all Bulls players. Was that deliberate, or just some freakish coincidence?
8 Jul 2009, 10:29 am
#35 WakaNathan: NZ and SA are the ones bending over and taking it from O’Neil, NZ has the NPC, we have the CC, Australia have club rugby, yet we are willing to let our domestic competitions go to the dogs just so that Australia can sustain their third choice sport, SARU should be ashamed of themselves
8 Jul 2009, 10:30 am
#43 klingon_x: Well, he won’t be clinging on to his job now will he?
8 Jul 2009, 10:32 am
#46 XhosaKid: Suggest you research the NPC’ state of finance. You will find when they went pro and how they have performed… that should explain it fully.
8 Jul 2009, 10:33 am
#46 XhosaKid:
‘Aus have club rugby’… that’s where you’re wrong… have you not been paying attention… on top of their club rugby Aus are getting another S14 team and with that an entire National comp funded by the Foxsport’s S14 coffers… the man is a genius par excellence!
8 Jul 2009, 10:35 am
#46 XhosaKid: You also should research Australian club rugby and then make an informed comment… you know absolutely nothing about it.
Rugby in Australia a 3rd choice sport. Hmmm I don’t even think it rates that high. Goes to show how down the scale it is yet draws so much vehemence from you.
8 Jul 2009, 10:36 am
#49 money_man: Not too mention he increased the ARU’s share of the Foxsport’s moolah to be in line with RSA and NZ… you should be far more irate with the tools you have at SARU!
Like taking candy from a baby that foolish, transparent bluff they tried to play…
8 Jul 2009, 10:38 am
Once you accept the reality that the 5 major CC unions have hijacked the S14 Franchises and effectively merged their S14 minor union partners best players into their CC union sides, the answer is inevitable. A two tier CC is already the reality that the minor unions and traditionalists have refused to recognise. The next step is to allow the SA S14/15 franchises to play a second round of matches against each other, much like that proposed by SANZAR, for a new trophy a level above the CC. To counter the argument that the minor unions will lose the revenue generated from gate money when they play one of the majors, SARU should insist that, like NZRFU, a number of S14/15 matches are played at the minor unions home ground.
8 Jul 2009, 10:39 am
#46 XhosaKid: Mpopndo lol i agree 100% with you
The Currie Cup is the stronghold and backbone of our people and its rugby , there should be no compromise.
8 Jul 2009, 10:39 am
South Africa have been suckered into sacrificing the currie cup by Australia. Oz has no domestic provincial comp and wants top level games i.e. super rugby to compete with its other codes throughout the winter. This also means that their top players have a rest when ours are required for CC duties. The top SA players are playing almost all year round. No wonder guys like JdV, Schalla and Juan Smith struggle to maintain peak form all the time. Respect the Currie Cup. Its produces great rugby the way we like it. NZ struggles to get crowds to their domestic games so they are negotiating from a position of weakness. A strong CC is integral to the overall health of SA rugby.
It’s no coincidence that Bok teams have been stonger when our Currie cup has been strong. We need to protect a great comp.
8 Jul 2009, 10:43 am
#50 RugbyRulz:
1. AFL
2. Cricket
3. League
4. Union
I rekon thats the order
8 Jul 2009, 10:46 am
Maybe what should happen in 2015 when the existing contract with Supersport runs out, is that the Currie Cup be absorbed into the Super 18 (by that stage) calandar, much like the Bledisloe Cup is absorbed into the Tri-Nations.
With the Conference system, it will not be very difficult to ensure that all the SA teams (hopefully 7 by then) play each other at least once, with the top 2 playing a final just after the Super 14 finishes. What would then be interesting is if the same 2 SA teams qualify for the Super 18 final and the Currie Cup final, whether they would play 1 or 2 games.
Not ideal, but better than totally losing the Currie Cup!
8 Jul 2009, 10:46 am
Love him or hate him, Michael Jackson was the greatest performer that lived.
Michael the African American boy who had too much talent. I mean how can one person be such a talented song writer, dancer and singer?
We dismiss him because of his freakish looks and accusations against him. But if you consider what that boy – he never really grew up did he – achieved as an artist, you have to admit that it is unlikely that it will be equalled in our lifetime.
He was a creative genius and I think in the end lost touch with reality. What makes it real for me is that we all want our kids to have talent and what a talent he was! No one, and I mean no one can dance (or prob will) dance like that guy!
Not quite the place to talk about this, but just have to get closure on this. Just had to express my admiration for his talent, achievements and contribution to music all over the globe!
RIP Michael!
8 Jul 2009, 10:49 am
#49 money_man: NZ have the NPC now called Air New Zealand Cup ( with its problems), South Africa has the Currie Cup underneath both these structures, they have club rugby, and S14 franchises. What does Australia have as their premier domestic league???
Its quite obvious, Australia need the extended Super rugby more than SA and NZ need it.
A full strength Currie Cup is more exciting than S14, the carnage is just simple awesome!!!, Bulls, Sharks, WP, Lions, Cheetahs and Griques
In NZ they have Auckland,Canterbury, Otago,Waikato, Taranaki and Bay of Plenty.
Fact are facts, O’Neil might be the genius you say he is, but the facts are that they need an extended Super rugby to cover up for their inability to have a professional domestic competition
8 Jul 2009, 10:53 am
#52 David: The problem with that is you get a game where the stormers play in Boland or the Lions in Kimberly… effectively losing home ground advantage
8 Jul 2009, 10:53 am
#57 Sheriff:
Ever heard of Rudolph Nureyev or Mikhail Baryshnikov?
8 Jul 2009, 10:55 am
#60 David:
Are they from New Zealand?
8 Jul 2009, 10:58 am
#57 Sheriff: The last decent album he recorded was Thriller (shallow pop, but had some creative merit). Since then he’s been on a steady slide into dreadful sentimentality and lucrative cheese.
Not to mention how screwed up he was. African American? You wouldn’t say.
8 Jul 2009, 10:59 am
#55 bok1906: Cricket is 1st then it is debatable whether it is AFL or Soccer… League is definitely before Union. So therefore rugger is 5th.
8 Jul 2009, 11:04 am
#59 bok1906:
That was the original structure for the S12. The Sharks started the rot when they paid EP and Border for the rights to host all the matches in Durban. Somewhere along the line we lost the plot as to why the competition was organised. It was to ensure that the top 150 players in the country got to compete at a level just below international. Basically, it replaced the need for national trials. That’s why the NZ Rugby board assigns players to different Franchises after the franchises have declared their core 25 players for the season.
This is done in the best interests of AB rugby, not the unions. SARU screwed up totally when they allowed the unions to select their partners and effectively excluded the EC unions from S14 rugby.
SARU own the S14/15, not the Unions, but they’ve never bothered to manage this responsibility in the interests of Springbok rugby as the New Zealanders have done.
8 Jul 2009, 11:06 am
AFL in Auz has the 4th highest average crowd attendance in the world of any sport, behind the 1. NFL 2. IPL (in India) 3. Bundesliga.
8 Jul 2009, 11:06 am
#61 Sheriff:
Hell no, they’re not All Black like MJ.
8 Jul 2009, 11:07 am
Hier kom groot oorlog.
8 Jul 2009, 11:08 am
#63 RugbyRulz: yip you right, cricket is number 1. Suprised we dont get any league coverage here but we still get the occasional ALF show on supersport…
8 Jul 2009, 11:08 am
#62 katman:
Katman, it’s time to burn your Kurt Darren cd’s.
I never really followed his career. School mate of mine was (prob is) a huge fan, and tried to emulate the look, the hair, the everything.
So my comments are merely just to appreciate what the boy has achieved as an artist. Stevie Wonder, George Benson, Bob Marley and so on some of my other favourites.
Latest trend in SA music is that many singers sound a lot like Petrus Padda (Wielie Walie) – Theuns Jordaan …
8 Jul 2009, 11:09 am
Give me an option between Superrugby or Currie Cup, and Currie cup will win everytime.
8 Jul 2009, 11:12 am
Luckily for Marinos, he’s not black.
Thus he hasnt been called “incompetent”, “out of his depth”, “chaotic”.
8 Jul 2009, 11:13 am
#66 David:
Michael continuously came up with new moves, but awesome moves.
I’ve tried a few basic ones, rolled it out on the odd occasion and must say very effective, haha
8 Jul 2009, 11:15 am
#70 WilladieLeeu:
We discussed this the other day, 1. money 2. tradition – unforetunately the Currie Cup will also be sacrificed for money, if they didn’t have this TV deal already signed it would be even more watered down.
8 Jul 2009, 11:28 am
Has anyone seen “break of day” ?
8 Jul 2009, 11:30 am
Kurt Darren Scott
Jacque Fourie du Preez
8 Jul 2009, 11:32 am
#70 WilladieLeeu: I agree – i would rather watch the Currie Cup matches than the same old same old Superrugby.
8 Jul 2009, 11:33 am
#73 NZINCHINA: I think you could say it has already been sacrificed for money.
8 Jul 2009, 11:35 am
South Africa out of SANZAR. We must play in Europe or forge our own competition. Saru is the unwanted partner in a 3some.
Saru are out of their depth policitally. There is so much infighting that we are not defending our larger percenatge of SANZAR pie.
The aussies are smart. Smart management, smart politics and smart Rugby. Rugby is 5 or 6th sport with only a couple of thousand players in total. They get their administrators in all levels of international management so they can influence for their benefits. Smart. Such a small country wins so many sports. SMART. They will even win the world cup football when they host in
8 Jul 2009, 11:41 am
Currie Cup should be 6 top teams, playing each other twice (home and away). Then the top 4 teams qualify for the following year’s Super 12, where they play each team once (also have four teams from NZ and Aus). That way there won’t be too much rugby; it won’t be watered down.
8 Jul 2009, 11:53 am
#50 RugbyRulz: What is it that you think I dont know about Australian rugby?
8 Jul 2009, 11:57 am
To all South African Rugby Supporters:
FIGHT FOR YOUR CURRIE CUP
Don’t let the vested interests water it down or reduce its importance in any way. If you want to run an armband campaign, THIS is what you should be doing it for.
Here in NZ, our once proud National Provincial Championship used to be right up there with the Currie Cup. They were the two most important domestic competitions in the world.
Now, the NPC its is just a mere shadow of its former self, reduced to little more than a glorified club competititon. Don’t let this happen to the Currie Cup, because once it does, you will NEVER get it back.
8 Jul 2009, 12:01 pm
and again we have to bow down to the demands of the australasian continents demands
8 Jul 2009, 12:10 pm
#69 Sheriff: So you either admire that pale 50kg sentimental unit shifter or you’re into Kurt Darren?
Think you might have skipped a few teeny logic steps there?
8 Jul 2009, 12:20 pm
#79 boktoinfinityandbeyond:
That ship has sailed. S15 it is. Followed by Super 18
Actually with the Super 18 we have a solution
SA will have 6 sides then.
The Pool Stages of the S18 SA Conference can act as our Currie Cup.
Its home and away
So all we need to do is have a tournament within a tournament.
Play the S18 as prescribed
After the S18 the top 4 sides from the Pool stage play semis and final.
LEss games overall. Boks involved. No schedule clash.
8 Jul 2009, 12:23 pm
#83 katman:
Yeah only 2 music camps in the world today:
a. Michael
b. Kurt (loslappie)
MJ = 45 kg btw; one of the few not obese in the US of A
8 Jul 2009, 12:35 pm
#85 Sheriff: Actually, Wacko and Kurt sit in the same camp of music cheese, which is across an enormous fckn chasm from where I sit with my collection.
8 Jul 2009, 12:38 pm
#86 katman:
Your collection?
Nico Carstens
Manie Bodenstein
8 Jul 2009, 12:40 pm
#86 katman:
Sic him.
8 Jul 2009, 12:40 pm
The headline here should have read “Currie Cup coverage under threat”.
The CC kicks off in two days.
Where are the full squads?
Where is the news about players etc.?
In general where is the CC coverage?
Is this a rugby site?
8 Jul 2009, 12:40 pm
#84 Biscuit: Will never happen.
The numpties that run this show have no brains.
Previously on this site I have suggested a Champions League (football) style setup with pools and home and away games and a break for the internationals etc etc.
Through qualifyers you could involve places like Namibia, Argentina, Pacific guys and Japan.
BUT ALAS.
We have idjits running the show.
Super 99 here we come
8 Jul 2009, 12:41 pm
#89 Mistral: Nope, someone correctly labelled it as “Subjective-journo-Central”
8 Jul 2009, 12:41 pm
#84 Biscuit: Well said. That is the obvious answer.
8 Jul 2009, 12:42 pm
#89 Mistral:
Yep, it’s Michael Jackson vs katman’s never-before-seen-nor-heard music collection.
8 Jul 2009, 12:43 pm
#93 Dawn: LOL
8 Jul 2009, 12:44 pm
#68 bok1906: League is popular in 2 eastern states NSW & Qld, it is played in Vic but not to any great degree. The game over the years has changed and in my opinion not for the better. It lost its appeal when scrums were depowered; when they became uncontested the dynamics changed. The original game had no tackle count, then the tinkering happened. The 4 tackles count and then a scrum., this is where the up and under was used to try to regather the ball for a try scoring opportunity. The scrum then went to uncontested, 6 tackles and then hand the ball to the opposition. Incredulous how they ruined a good game. In bygone years players could switch between codes but hardly happens now. Biff, barge, 6 dummy runs then the kick. BORINGly mundane.
AFL was once called VFL (V for Victoria) it then spread to other states and the game was re-tagged AFL. It is very athletic and not for props… they could not keep up.
8 Jul 2009, 12:48 pm
People must understand that I only listen to “ordentlike” music
Something with nice rhythm; pref black artists but there are exceptions like Michael Franks (and many others)
The angry-white-boy music just doesn’t do it for me
8 Jul 2009, 12:49 pm
#93 Dawn:
BoD; did you see that earlier post?
8 Jul 2009, 12:50 pm
#95 RugbyRulz: Nobody here really gives a damn…
8 Jul 2009, 12:51 pm
Cricket update
11:32am – WICKET – Cook c Hussey b Hilfenhaus 10, Eng 21-1
This series may not live up to the hype of 2005, but whatever happens, it’s not going to be as big an anti-climax as the moon landings. What was that all about? Billions of dollars shelled out by the US government just so Alan Shepard could practice his mid-irons…. WE’VE GOT A WICKET! Cook fishes outside off, edges, and Hussey pulls off an outrageous catch at gully.
8 Jul 2009, 12:52 pm
#80 XhosaKid: What you do not know about Australian Rugby is that it is controlled from the top down the ARU. It is not beholden to franchises, regions, zones, etc calling the shots. Simply way to put it, it doesn’t have to kowtow to over-zealous unions, players, media moguls, etc.
Problem for most other countries is they do have to worry about all the $hit… from the bottom up.
8 Jul 2009, 12:53 pm
#81 cooky:
cooooky
for the
first time
i agree
with you
100%
8 Jul 2009, 12:53 pm
#23 Nancy:
you seem to be living in a different world to most.NH would not have any SA teams in there tournaments,they are already successful and why share the spoils with SA? Having SA wont make the tournament any better for the NH teams at all.
So now you think scrap NZ and OZ and go and play against England,Scotland,Italy,will this makes your team any stronger?
I myself dont find any games boring between NZ,OZ and SA.Some people find it boring cos of the lack of success a certain has had,is this why the 3N is boring to you ?
8 Jul 2009, 12:54 pm
#96 Sheriff: Michael Franks is Kenny G without the hair. He puts elevator musicians to sleep.
8 Jul 2009, 12:56 pm
#99 Desert Stormer: Our national number one sport >>> cricket. My god it bores me to death.
8 Jul 2009, 12:58 pm
#55 bok1906: I think you will find football is in amongst there as well,even before Union
8 Jul 2009, 13:00 pm
#104 RugbyRulz: Love the ashes.
Actually I love the hype around the ashes… Maybe because the British press is involved. They should make the British press a contact sport.
Those poor blokes out in the middle. Anything they say is distorted and misinterpreted until the BP have what they want.
Love it….
8 Jul 2009, 13:01 pm
#103 katman:
What is Kenny surname, do you know?
At least Michael F not angry; music there to be enjoyed not to throw a flippen tantrum
Robbie Wessels more your cup of tea?
8 Jul 2009, 13:03 pm
“Andy Marinos insisted his organisation would not allow the Currie Cup – South Africa’s premier domestic competition – to be devalued in any way.”
Marinos you are a liar!!!!!!!!!!!
8 Jul 2009, 13:05 pm
#57 Sheriff: There was a kid in my school who could moonwalk…
8 Jul 2009, 13:05 pm
#108 byoboy: and an idiot
8 Jul 2009, 13:08 pm
#106 Desert Stormer: Possibly the over-exposure. We had tests and they were great. Packer comes along and we get 50 overs. The 50 overs is entertaining but now we’ve go this 20/20 $hit. It reminds me of the 25 over stuff our kids play on a Saturday morning. Actually I am certain that after enduring endless Saturdays the advent of 20/20 killed me off.
8 Jul 2009, 13:08 pm
What a disgrace.
Paying soccer world cup construction workers R2500 a month.
I make more sitting on my ***.
8 Jul 2009, 13:08 pm
#107 Sheriff: G… I dunno
8 Jul 2009, 13:08 pm
#109 Desert Stormer:
“It doesn’t matter if you’re black or white”
But how would you describe this kid?
8 Jul 2009, 13:10 pm
#112 The-Pill: Shhh keep it down.
Don’t stop till you get enough.
8 Jul 2009, 13:10 pm
I would much prefer to keep the currie cup as is and have a super 14 as opposed to a super 15. And a super 18 is just SAZAR being fkn greedy. Currie Cup should not have been compromised, it is an institution in itself and is the breeding ground for South African talent, but SARU don’t give a fk, all they see is money!! Full your pockets gents just like you filled them with the exorbitant B&I lions test ticket prices..mofos.
8 Jul 2009, 13:11 pm
#112 The-Pill: Too much?
They should pay rugby administrators R2500 per month.
8 Jul 2009, 13:11 pm
#107 Sheriff: There is nothing more offensive than music that tries hard not to offend. Middle-of-the-road, easy-listening jazz is for insecure toppies who don’t know how to start figuring out what they might really like. Those music collections, with their Al Jarreau and George Benson interchangeable, derivative, meandering, *****, forgettable melodies, should be burnt by anyone who has half an interest in keeping music real.
8 Jul 2009, 13:11 pm
#113 RugbyRulz:
I should have googled; Gorelick
In SA we have Danny K, but that one I know …
8 Jul 2009, 13:13 pm
#118 katman: I must admit to liking ‘This Masquerade’ <<< definitely nicer elevator music than most.
8 Jul 2009, 13:14 pm
#108 byoboy:
he’s a
thick
*******
8 Jul 2009, 13:15 pm
#117 Desert Stormer: Why? Pay them nothing.
8 Jul 2009, 13:15 pm
#114 Sheriff: Happy to be black…
I actually do not get this whole hoo haa with MJ? He was a peadophile.
Gert Lekkers did not get a parade when he died?
8 Jul 2009, 13:16 pm
#119 Sheriff: Danny K.
There is a group on facebook, Danny K is a D@@s
8 Jul 2009, 13:17 pm
#118 katman:
These white skollies that make this angry music must rather go for therapy
You will do well to avoid.
Not everyone understands jazz but people can set it as a goal to aspire to.
8 Jul 2009, 13:19 pm
#122 The-Pill: I think being a rugby player should bar you from becoming a rugby administrator. You start off with a little bit of brains, then you get bashed on the head for 10 years (if you’re lucky) and then you want to run the game? Makes no sense.
You could get stadium builders that will do a better job of adminisering rugby much better than the current lot.
8 Jul 2009, 13:19 pm
#123 Desert Stormer: Because MJ was black, oops!, no wait….
Need to pick a race first.
8 Jul 2009, 13:21 pm
#127 The-Pill: Trivia question: Micheal Jackson was the first black man on the cover of times magazine. True or False?
8 Jul 2009, 13:21 pm
#123 Desert Stormer: Luckily for MJ he was not convicted for his alleged crime. Front page news yesterday, had a guy, lying face down on a rug, with his executioner standing over him and riffle in hand. The throng of public support was overwhelmingly supportive, cheering the execution. Sharia Law.
The convicted criminal had indeed ravaged and then brutally dismembered a child.
8 Jul 2009, 13:22 pm
#123 Desert Stormer:
Revisit the topic with an open mind.
Some people can write songs, some can dance and some can sing.
Michael excelled in all those 3 areas.
I agree he was weird and related in a bizarre way to children which points to paed, but I’m merely acknowledging his work as an artist
Michael is one of my fav white artists…
8 Jul 2009, 13:23 pm
#125 Sheriff: What about the black skollies? Hip Hop?
8 Jul 2009, 13:23 pm
#128 Desert Stormer: False
8 Jul 2009, 13:24 pm
#124 The-Pill:
Danny K is one of the few white boys with true rhythm- in SA we are blessed with an abundance of rhythmically challenged males
8 Jul 2009, 13:25 pm
#129 RugbyRulz: MJ was good in his time, but had done a excellent job of discrediting himself in each and every way possible.
8 Jul 2009, 13:25 pm
#128 Desert Stormer: Depends. He was black and then white.
8 Jul 2009, 13:25 pm
#125 Sheriff: Are you talking about Jazz (Charlie Parker, Miles Davis, Keith Jarret etc) or are you talking about that cesspit of endless similar smooth melodies made up of variations of the same dull arpeggios and chord progressions that some misguided sod at CNA or OK Record Bar decided to file under Jazz (Benson, Jarreau, Franks etc)?
8 Jul 2009, 13:26 pm
hip hop
rap
and kwaito
brainless
if you
can call it
music
8 Jul 2009, 13:27 pm
#133 Sheriff: I would rather eat my own flesh than listening to that tripe
8 Jul 2009, 13:27 pm
#130 Sheriff: Elvis wrote, sang and danced, also managed to have his own biological child.
Yeah he was white too.
8 Jul 2009, 13:28 pm
mj
with his
music
that consisted
of mindless
screams
and shrieks
and of course
his poor old
abused
nose
8 Jul 2009, 13:28 pm
MJ was a cute kid… ABC, easy as 1,2 3
Shame he never grew.
8 Jul 2009, 13:29 pm
#130 Sheriff: How can you think about MJ with an open mind?
The guy really did everything he could possibly do to discredit himself! He even got surrogate dad for his kids.
And the worst thing for me is how they’re milking this crying kid this morning. The poor bugger actually believed that MJ was her dad and is distraught. Then when she starts crying her family does not give her a hug… NO THEY SHOVE THE MIC IN HER FACE recording every tear for a few dollars more…
Sickening. (It was probably fake tears though)
8 Jul 2009, 13:29 pm
i think
dna tests
will reveal
that mj
was never
a bio father
8 Jul 2009, 13:31 pm
#135 The-Pill: #132 RugbyRulz:
I’m confusing you guys there isn’t I
8 Jul 2009, 13:32 pm
#144 Desert Stormer: You did say Micheal… so I was right on both counts.
8 Jul 2009, 13:33 pm
If I had to take a stab and guess if there was one I’d have went will Cassius Clay aka Ali
8 Jul 2009, 13:33 pm
#136 katman:
Look just have a open mind. All types of jazz; depending on the mood.
One day you will say: once I was blind but now I see …
8 Jul 2009, 13:34 pm
#138 The-Pill:
Always thought there was something cannabalistic about you.
Go ahead, have a snack…
8 Jul 2009, 13:35 pm
Was Jacko on the cover of Time? Don’t know, only time I ever read Time is when my friggin solicitor is running late and Im stuck in reception.
8 Jul 2009, 13:36 pm
#139 RugbyRulz:
Elvis = poor man’s Michael Jackson?
Was Elvis Portuguese?
8 Jul 2009, 13:37 pm
#110 Desert Stormer: complete *****
8 Jul 2009, 13:37 pm
Cricket update:
12:29pm – WICKET – Strauss c Clarke b Johnson 30, Eng 67-2
You have to keep reminding yourself that Strauss is out in the middle, he is very much the Chris Lowe to Bopara’s Neil Tennant at the moment. Big lbw appeal from Johnson, but that looked to be going down. Hawkeye reckons that was nicking leg-stump, Umpire Doctrove thought otherwise. ROPE-A-DOPE! Mitchell Johnson slips up a gear, sending one down at 93mph, and Strauss is unable to get out of the way, gloving to Michael Clarke at first slip.
8 Jul 2009, 13:37 pm
#133 Sheriff: Heavy Metal fans and classical music lovers have more in common than they may think – both tend to be creative and introverted, according to a study of personality and musical taste.
`The general public has held a stereotype of heavy metal fans being suicidally depressed and of being a danger,…But they are quite delicate things,` said Adrian North, who led the study at Herion-Watt University.
Other findings: Indie music fans lack self-esteem, pop music fans are uncreative, country fans are hard working and rap fans are outgoing.
8 Jul 2009, 13:38 pm
#141 RugbyRulz:
Look I know he was Bad, but nevertheless a Smooth Criminal
8 Jul 2009, 13:38 pm
#121 Porra the Fat Speedster: real tw*t
8 Jul 2009, 13:39 pm
#143 Porra the Fat Speedster:
You may have a point; those kids look Portuguese to me…
8 Jul 2009, 13:40 pm
#150 Sheriff: I’m not a fan of either but appreciate their contribution to music.
To rate one over the other is ludicrous, they were totally different in form in every way.
Elvis Portuguese? No way porra.
8 Jul 2009, 13:41 pm
#153 The-Pill: I agree with you.
8 Jul 2009, 13:44 pm
#156 Sheriff:
hah
real
cute kids
then
8 Jul 2009, 13:45 pm
#153 The-Pill:
Heavy k*k in my book.
8 Jul 2009, 13:45 pm
#157 RugbyRulz:
elvis
was handsome
enough
to be
porra
just a bit
too limp
in the
wrist
8 Jul 2009, 13:45 pm
#158 RugbyRulz: The best musicians, those who actually Know music and Know how to play the instruments, Heavy Metal and Rock.
You will find the best guitarists in those music codes.
8 Jul 2009, 13:48 pm
#160 Sheriff: Yes. Hip Hop and Rap sux balls.
I agree with you.
8 Jul 2009, 13:48 pm
#157 RugbyRulz:
Strictly speaking you can, but it will have to be done by experts in the music industry
Michael is unparalled wrt his creativity over 4 decades
Both weird freaks in my book btw
Anything musical in Aus, other than waltzing matilda?
8 Jul 2009, 13:50 pm
#159 Porra the Fat Speedster:
I knew the self-love would make you change your mind, leave MJ he has done you no harm except to expose your lack of rhythm
Live and let live
8 Jul 2009, 13:51 pm
#162 The-Pill:
to a point.
Classical guitarist is the actual starting point for where rock and Metal guitarist come from.The scales and arpeggios that classical music used 100s of years ago find there way into rock giutar solos of now.Its amazing to sit down and watch a good classical giutarist on a stool playing,sone of the stuff they do.
8 Jul 2009, 13:52 pm
#163 The-Pill:
And you’re telling me that cause you think I like it, e-diot
8 Jul 2009, 13:52 pm
#162 The-Pill: Many rave about Hendrix but for me I preferred Jimmy Page, but my all time favourite is Carlos Santana. That guy is unbelievable.
8 Jul 2009, 13:54 pm
#167 Sheriff: No. I don`t think anything about you really…..
8 Jul 2009, 13:54 pm
Heavy metal is for angry white boys with unresolved issues
Research has proven that over and over.
8 Jul 2009, 13:56 pm
#169 The-Pill:
Good. Just remember I enjoy the finer things in life.
Music no exception.
8 Jul 2009, 13:56 pm
#168 RugbyRulz: Santana one of the very best.
8 Jul 2009, 13:56 pm
#170 Sheriff: That could be why I dont mind AC DC.
8 Jul 2009, 13:56 pm
Where is b-o-d? On lunch or having a ciggy?
8 Jul 2009, 13:57 pm
#170 Sheriff: Prove it?
8 Jul 2009, 13:57 pm
#165 Sheriff:
mj
in my opinion
has done
untold harm
to those kids
he entertained
for his
own warped
pleasures
and the devious
way
in which
he recruited
them
from mostly
lower income
households
make me
sick
he was
a freak
a sick freak
and he
needed to be
institusionalised
8 Jul 2009, 13:58 pm
#170 Sheriff:
lol
What research?
8 Jul 2009, 13:59 pm
Actually I don’t mind ZZ Top… Don’t know anyone that can keep their feet still when La Grange is audible.
8 Jul 2009, 13:59 pm
#175 The-Pill:
I just did. With that post.
8 Jul 2009, 14:00 pm
#177 Hurricane:
World wide research.
8 Jul 2009, 14:00 pm
If the Currie Cup diminishes due to the unavailability of Springbok players, this could cause interesting contracting dilemmas for unions insofar players are concerned. You may find Currie Cup unions only willing to contract Bok players for the Super 14 (15/18/…) and not for the Currie Cup in order to create depth in contracting for Currie Cup players. This will leave SARU with an increased burden to make up for that loss of income of Bok players contracted out of the Currie Cup. But then again they would have made so much with TV rights they’ll be able to afford it.
I wonder whether Super rugby would be able to engage viewers if it is prolonged the way they intend doing it. If there are nothing to play for (i.e. interesting permutations for playoffs, etc.) weaker teams may find fans deserting them in favour of CC games (or pro 20 cricket for that matter). They will have to keep the longer version interesting or viewership may decrease.
Lastly, there is an expectation, in view of the cost of 2010 SWC and the economic downturn, that sponsorships will become harder to come by from 2010 onwards, this could cause major problems for some franchises if they can’t prove a large following and an opportunity to expose brands. I think the extention of Super rugby is very badly timed and they may look losses in the face.
8 Jul 2009, 14:00 pm
#177 Hurricane: Research from the Institute of Delusional Studies of Ill Informed Music lovers.
8 Jul 2009, 14:00 pm
how about
lynyrd skynyrd
8 Jul 2009, 14:02 pm
#177 Hurricane: Give him time to Google…
Maybe he will find something.
8 Jul 2009, 14:02 pm
#176 Porra the Fat Speedster:
Agreed, funny enough.
Any deviation from the norm should be isolated for further investigation.
Can you understand my concern as regards your writing style?
Nobody else writes like that…
8 Jul 2009, 14:03 pm
#183 Porra the Fat Speedster: Leonard Cohen.
Crazy MoFo, but brilliant words…
8 Jul 2009, 14:03 pm
#180 Sheriff:
sounds more
like research
by cullert boys
with chips
on their
shoulders
8 Jul 2009, 14:06 pm
#183 Porra the Fat Speedster: I remember them…sheet showing just how old I am now. lol
8 Jul 2009, 14:06 pm
#187 Porra the Fat Speedster:
What chips?
Chips that they bought from the Portuguese cafe at the corner with the Coca Cola sign on it?
8 Jul 2009, 14:06 pm
#180 Sheriff:
Ok
Link the site please,should be easy to find if its a world wide research
8 Jul 2009, 14:07 pm
#170 Sheriff: that’s like saying rap is for angry black boys with unresolved issues..
8 Jul 2009, 14:08 pm
#190 Hurricane:
Just go to www. worldwideresearch. com ; you have to register tho
8 Jul 2009, 14:09 pm
#186 The-Pill:
he probably
was on drugs
24/7
while still
singing
but he wrote
and made some
exellent
music
all the
sisters
of mercy
8 Jul 2009, 14:11 pm
#189 Sheriff:
those
big fat
chips
they were
born with
you don’t
buy them
in any shop
nevermind
a porra
greengrocer
8 Jul 2009, 14:11 pm
#192 Sheriff: We is all idjits so could you please give us the entire http// address please.
8 Jul 2009, 14:11 pm
#192 Sheriff:
Cool,i will just use your registration name and password.
User name : Gotnofacts
Password : Onceagain
Should do it
8 Jul 2009, 14:15 pm
#191 byoboy:
Almost, but research of course the key
That’s why I did not make that statement as there is no research to back it up
8 Jul 2009, 14:16 pm
#171 Sheriff: Face it Sheriff, the stuff you listen to is the Nissan Sentra of music. It’s the psuedo-Tuscan townhouse of music, complete with water feature and pruned tree. It’s the Caesar salad of music. Most of your prized collection will one day be available on R79-99 double CD compilations in Musica’s bargain basket, called “50 Easy Listening classics” and “Turn down the Lights: The Best Of Smooth Jazz”. If it isn’t already.
8 Jul 2009, 14:20 pm
#198 katman: Pissing myself laughing.
8 Jul 2009, 14:20 pm
#197 Sheriff:
lol
8 Jul 2009, 14:20 pm
#194 Porra the Fat Speedster:
Those big fat speedster slaptjips?
8 Jul 2009, 14:21 pm
#153 The-Pill: a good example of this is the Metallica Collaboration with the Philharmonic Orchestra……. “nothing else matters” was awesome!!!! CLassic and metal combined, special
8 Jul 2009, 14:29 pm
#198 katman:
How did you know I drive a Nissan Sentra?
At least I’m prepared to share about 0.5% of what I listen to.
Many things have been said here, but few have come out and said ” I listen to so and so ”
I cannot take those complaints on board, I can only conclude that people are angry, but are not quite sure what about
People are not sincere anymore these days, as Optimus pointed out yesterday …
8 Jul 2009, 14:31 pm
#181 Fred:
You’re confusing the Unions with the S14 Franchises. SARU actually reimburses the Unions for having their players in the S14. That’s one of the reasons why the major unions started to sign players from their regional partners. SARU was footing the bill!
8 Jul 2009, 14:31 pm
#202 EEE: Ahh yes, and not forgetting the Guns n Roses collaboration, November Rain.
Top class stuff!
8 Jul 2009, 14:32 pm
#199 RugbyRulz:
Colleague of mine also had similar incontinence problems, must actually get an update if still the case
8 Jul 2009, 14:34 pm
#196 Hurricane:
Yeah quite approp for you I guess
8 Jul 2009, 14:36 pm
55. bok1906 :
#50 RugbyRulz:
1. AFL
2. Cricket
3. League
4. Swimming
5. Basketball
6. Union
In that order
8 Jul 2009, 14:36 pm
I Shot the Sheriff.
Who shot the Deputy?
8 Jul 2009, 14:48 pm
Huge debate in the medical field at the moment about the risks and side effects of THE PILL…
Lots of misconceptions and myths about THE PILL…
8 Jul 2009, 14:49 pm
#198 katman: Nissan Sentra – back street bum boys, kenney G man.
8 Jul 2009, 14:56 pm
#210 Sheriff: `Lots of misconceptions and myths about THE PILL…`
Glad you admit about being in the dark..
Recognize The Pill.
8 Jul 2009, 15:01 pm
#211 byoboy: Yeah, Yeah, I am Horny Yeah…..
Yeah, Girl you fine jaja ine. Fa ja ja ine. Yeah i am horny yeah.
Ja, great music yes.?
8 Jul 2009, 15:02 pm
#211 byoboy: Don`t forget Asslife ( aka Westlife )
8 Jul 2009, 15:05 pm
#212 The-Pill:
8 Jul 2009, 15:06 pm
#213 The-Pill: #214 The-Pill: asslife…ha ha . i rek sheri likes to cruise in his drop top sentra listening to his kenney g, bum street boys, asslife, mix tape.
8 Jul 2009, 15:09 pm
WOW quite the rugby discusion going on here
8 Jul 2009, 15:10 pm
Helloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
8 Jul 2009, 15:16 pm
#218 grootblousmile: Hallou blou mater, hoe gaan dit daar by jou?
8 Jul 2009, 15:19 pm
#206 Sheriff: You being an accountant and all I can understand you friends dilemma. You do his tax yes?
8 Jul 2009, 15:23 pm
#220 RugbyRulz:
First I was accused of being a cop.
Now an accountant.
Conspiracy theories…
8 Jul 2009, 15:24 pm
#208 PaulLondon: Is that bums on seats, Media TV polling or registered participants (athletes)?
8 Jul 2009, 15:25 pm
#221 Sheriff: Recall sometime over the past week you said you were an accountant.
Pulling our legs I see.
8 Jul 2009, 15:28 pm
#223 RugbyRulz:
I have no problem telling people what I do for a living.
People must just ask away…
8 Jul 2009, 15:29 pm
Super rugby has effectively put the Currie Cup competition
on the back foot.There are only 2 Unions who have benefited
by Super rugby and they are the Sharks and Bulls and to some
extent the Stormers.
The remaining provinces are no more but feeder unions for
the above mentioned and the Lions and Cheetahs have been relegated to also runs.The Triad of the Bulls/Sharks/Stormers
is the Black hole of South African rugby in which many
promising player of the lesser unions disappear,to re-appear
at the end of their careers only to end up in N/H club
rugby.
The Currie Cup can only be strong if the minnows can hang
on to their stars and that will only happen with massive
cash injections which is unlikely to happen because many
sponsors do not want their trade name associated with losers.
The extended Super Rugby competition is not a step forward
but one backward at the cost of South Africa.
The Aussies have riding on the back of South African rugby
and New Zeeland rugby for far to long.Time for them to do
homework themselves and get their domestic competition
on par to what the Curie Cup used to be.
8 Jul 2009, 15:35 pm
#218 grootblousmile: hello
8 Jul 2009, 15:37 pm
#225 Brentie1:
Well said
8 Jul 2009, 15:39 pm
So here goes:
Cape Town, for the period: 9-10 Jul; flying back morning of 10th
Location: Breakwaters Lodge (apparently no other avail, but I dont believe them)
8 Jul 2009, 15:41 pm
meant flying back 11th
8 Jul 2009, 15:42 pm
#225 Brentie1: Okay, Why not pull out of the S14 and release all the players back to CC. Forgo the funding that filters down because of the pie carve up.
Hmmm how many players would remain in SA then?
Don’t want to ***** your bubble but! How many SA players are already long gone? Cry me a river over the already spilt milk.
8 Jul 2009, 15:48 pm
#225 Brentie1: I agree super 15 is definitely a step backwards and will not benefit SA Rugby at all. Currie Cup should not be compromised.
8 Jul 2009, 15:50 pm
Now as a person who believes in merit (and not job reservation) I thought it may be approp to categorise as follows:
Group A: must see
Group B: dont have to, but not against
Group C: would prefer not to see
Group D: avoid at all cost (will even look the other way if spotted in shopping mall)
Now that I’ve done all of that I cannot decide in what category to put “break-of-day”
I guess I’ll have to do a 3 month performance review
8 Jul 2009, 15:57 pm
#225 Brentie1: mmm, i think SARU should be negotiating a role for 2 or 3 sides in the Heineken Cup… but the sides must exclude those in the S14 franchises… this opens the door to smaller unions to hold players and maybe even snatch some from the S14.
I’m sure the bloggers here could refine this idea
8 Jul 2009, 16:04 pm
#233 sideline: Now that idea has merit. There is no way the NH wants the better teams competing up north, but the ‘smaller unions’ as you say may be acceptable.
Don’t know how the northerners will view it though, especially after the BIL tour, the thumbing of collective noses at the IRB. But give it a shot. You don’t get if you don’t ask.
8 Jul 2009, 16:11 pm
Interested relevant parties can check back later to see.
But they must remember the cats as it will just say ” John Cat A ” etc
8 Jul 2009, 16:19 pm
Optimus Prime: Cat A
Transformation: Cat A
8 Jul 2009, 16:36 pm
I think we are forgetting (haven’t read all the posts) that in order for the S15 agreement to be binding to the South African franchises – there is still nothing in writing, the Currie Cup needs to be only top 6. Otherwise it’s a no go.
So what is SARU to do now. Top 6 makes more sense in many ways, and shortens the competition.
It’s either that or no teams competing in S15
8 Jul 2009, 16:36 pm
stupid stupid stupid stupid. the rich history of the curriecup. the heartbeat of south african rugby. our heritage, pride and passion? sacrificed for a stupid tournament where we have enjoyd little success and plenty of heartache. where even our best teams have had little to no success playing away. stupid stupid stupid stupid
8 Jul 2009, 16:39 pm
I’ve said it before and I will say it again.
The only reason why the CC hasn’t died yet is because of the Blue Bulls. If you take away the passion of the BB supporters and the passion of the anti-BB brigade you are left with nothing.
Very few people watch the CC, most will just watch the final, if their team is playing or the BB are playing.
Without the BB the CC is dead.
8 Jul 2009, 16:45 pm
#239 BlueBlood:
Just on my way out, but agree with you:
” Without the BB the CC is dead.”
As a matter of fact, I think it should read as follows:
” Without the BB the country/continent is dead “
8 Jul 2009, 17:12 pm
#168 RugbyRulz:
You dont need to hang out with the dead and decrepid to satisfy your guitar fix.
Check out:-
Jack White (White Stripes)
J Mascis (Dinosaur Jnr)
Dave Navarro (Janes Addiction & various)
all touched by genius.
8 Jul 2009, 22:54 pm
i have long maintained that the currie cup should only include fringe boks and those looking to regain form and fitness after injury (or in schalks case suspension…). with s14, june tests, tri nations and year end the players dont have the capacityto play mroe matches.
the currie cup should be considered a semi-professinal competition that is a feeder and developer for the professonal S15 series.
9 Jul 2009, 06:42 am
#241 BlackPanther:
Chris Cornell springs to mind and more, I like the rawness.
The list can go on and Keo would love us but for me I have to give Carlos the nod.
9 Jul 2009, 06:46 am
#241 BlackPanther:
Slash
9 Jul 2009, 14:58 pm
#244 Fern:
I was going to mention Slash but then couldnt think of a current band to list for him. I read his ‘Heroin Diary’. 1 scary mo fo. And he hasnt been with G’n'R for years either. I think he’s almost a VIP session musician these days ?
#243 RugbyRulz:
Cornell was of course vocals only (& initially part-time drummer) and is possibly the best contemporary male vocalist. A shame he is now releasing such cheesey solo ****.
Soundgarden did indeed have great guitarists (Kim Thayil) tho.
9 Jul 2009, 15:04 pm
#96 Sheriff: Lol, and what about angry-black-pop-a-cap-in-yo-*** music?
9 Jul 2009, 15:05 pm
#239 BlueBlood: Amen Brother!
9 Jul 2009, 15:08 pm
#246 Blou Baard Pastei:
What about it?
In your heart of hearts you know I’m right, go on, reflect on it…
9 Jul 2009, 17:28 pm
#248 Sheriff: Well, do you like it? Don’t you think people that listens to it has issues?
You get angry-white-boy music, angry-black-pop-a-cap-in-yo-*** music, hou-my-vas-en-pomp-my-stadig music, tail-gunning-boy-band music etc. And various people classify their type or style of music as “Ordentlik”.
To me “angry-white-boy” music is “ordentlik”, nice rhythm on drums, the distorted guitar(s) inline with vocals, with the Lead guitarist creating adding the final touch with his solo’s. It doesn’t mean I’ve got issues, nor that I’m angry all the time. Most bands out there say it like it is, and that’s what I like… Like Metallica, they used to be like that…
9 Jul 2009, 21:34 pm
230. RugbyRulz
The Super 14 (15) has distorted the strength of the
Curie Cup,how else do we explain former Curie Cup
champions at the bottom of the log.
The Super 15 should rather be played on a pool system,
of 3 pools of 5 teams each.
Top 2 teams of each pool go through to round robin,
top 2 play in final.
It will see the return of Lions and Cheetahs sooner
to the domestic competition.
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