Penalty count cost All Blacks
25 Jul 2009
Richie McCaw blamed a lack of discipline for his side’s 28-19 loss to the Springboks.
The visitors were heavily penalised at the breakdown, and had Ruan Pienaar not had a poor day with the boot (missing four out of five attempts at goal), the margin of defeat could have been more than 20.
‘We played too much rugby from the wrong end of the field and our discipline let us down,’ admitted McCaw. ‘The Boks played at the right end of the field and then got that breakaway try [from Jaque Fourie].’
The All Blacks battled again at the lineouts, with Andrew Hore often failing to find his jumpers and Victor Matfield poaching a couple against the throw. McCaw said it was something they’d have to work on before next weekend’s Test in Durban.
‘I wish we knew [what's going wrong],’ he said. ‘What happens is you lose one or two and then it snowballs from there. But I’m confident we can sort it out.’
Meanwhile, Bok captain John Smit said he was pleased with the win but hoped they’d be more clinical at King’s Park.
‘In order to pay for things, you have to earn the money first, and we tended to score points today after applying the pressure first,’ he said. ‘Hopefully we can convert more pressure into points next week.
‘But it was important for us to get our campaign off to a good start, and I’m happy with the win.’
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26 Jul 2009, 06:07 am
#42 bokfan1: Yep you pretty much summed it up, only the boks aren’t relevant in my expectations, I think they are just too high in some of the supporters. As for whatever@ 47, if I had thought it was a really great win, spectacularly played with precision planning with great dominance over an under dog I would be the first to laud it. On face value- well- ho hum- you know, well, what can I say?
Did you win by out playing the AB’s or did the penalty count help you no end? I could feel the sweat running down the backs of those in the Coaches box, Henry, well he knew what was going to happen before the game started probably.
Sour grapes? Get real. am I complaining about anything- reffing or anything else- nope, jsut merely stating the obvious.If that is the best the Boks have,at home,fresh,practised,fit and after a good toughening up against the Lions well your chances of securing a 3N win for the first time since ( cant remember) are really pretty slim as its all down hill from here.
I’ll just have a look through the blogs and be back with the address to show you that it aint ‘sour grapes’ or ungracious in defeat.
26 Jul 2009, 06:22 am
#48 poppa69:
Thanks Popps. Good exciting game, by two old foes. Great comeback by the AB’s in the second half. Pity about some of the missed kicks tho. Should be a cracker next week.
26 Jul 2009, 06:24 am
#50 captain fantail:
Yeah, well whatever……….get a life!
26 Jul 2009, 06:38 am
#47 whatever:for you pea brain, if you have a retention rate higher than a softex#40 Big Hit:they werent, they couldnt and we werent #36 Big Hit:
BokFAn @ 42: go to the thread Preview: Springbocks vs All Blacks- blog no 118. You will see that its not sour grapes, nor did I expect the AB’s to win, nor is there any reason for me to be ‘gracious in defeat’ when defeat is not relelvant untill the 3N is over, nor do I resort to squealing sour grapes, chokers, badlosers- because, unlike some who have a limited vocab and insight its the bigger picture I look at — like when the Poms come down unde for their regular flogging, even though Scotland is getting in on the act now so they.ll probably just stay at home for their punishment and save them being too far away from the apron strings.
Also, in absolute honesty, if I had the belief that Australia or SA will topple us I would give the breakdown as to why,as I have in the previous blog. Its not just about one eyed loyalty- its about what happens when circumstances within the enviroment (of rugby change) change- travel, injuries, home ground, fatigue, unforeseen incidents, good days bad days, mental toughness, composure etc. We know in general the AB’s improve as they progress. This is not only the team cohesion but a pretty smart f’n coaching team as well. The last game against the Wally’s was A typical- everyone was expecting the Wallys to win because they judged the AB’s by the Inveco series ( now they were the Doosies) as we had about 5 key players away. If you had been down Smitt,Matfield, More,Pinear and say Habana last night would you have honestly expected a victory over the AB’s- of course not. Well were down that compliment against the French and Italy but in actual fact we did ‘alright’ The Wallys won, but being at full strength it was not a great victory over 2nd tier teams. That is how I judge things. not so I can say hey we are the best because we won one game. I look at the pro’s and con’s of the whole tournament and it really figures good for the AB’s in the scheme of things.
Of course this can change ith Boks beat the Aussies by at least two and the AB’s by the next two- but **** happens also!!
Cheers, no hard feelings mate- I have made a 90% successful prediction rate over the last 5 years and my pocket likes it very. You may also ask Rugby Princess how my ‘predictions’ have been over the time we have blogged.
With all pro ga;mbling, the moment you let emotions become involved your screwed!!
Am also happy to give anyone my ‘thoughts’ if you want at anytime- something for nothing for a change.
26 Jul 2009, 06:39 am
#51 whatever: didnt expect anything less, always high quality and fiercely contested games… and sometimes those missed kicks are ok
26 Jul 2009, 06:42 am
the three losses I did not see coming – the WC, S14 when Crusaders/Hurricanes got knocked out and the Bulls defeated the Sharks and won, and one game 2007 Tri-Nations in Sa, SA won. Only three losses since 2005.
26 Jul 2009, 11:18 am
#50 captain fantail: Oh cry me a river !! The All Blacks didn’t play to their usual standards, and were under the hammer in the 1st half. This Tri nations is going to be a humdinger!
The Boks warmed up against the Lions, The AB’s against the French, Ities, and Aussies, so no excuses either way.
Yes the Ab’s were outplayed for most of the match, with the exception of about 20 minutes after half time. Yes the Boks played with intensity, but I reckon it will get better from both teams as the tournament progresses.
I don’t worry about the missed kicks, though it would have made scary reading at half time. Only the one in front of the posts was a gimme in anycase.
Bring it on in Durban I say…. it is going to be a cracker !!
26 Jul 2009, 11:21 am
The All Blacks are in for testing times.The departure of
many of their stalwarts to the NH and retirement of some
has certainly eroded their player resources.
I sincerely hope that a similar fate does not befall
Springbok rugby,because it would leave us in a similar
position.
Soos hul se as dit as dit pap reen moet jy skep.
Ek dink die telling uit 76 wedstryde is nog steeds
All Blacks 42 -Bokke 31.
daar is nie ‘n beter tyd as nou om dit meer gelyk te
maak.
26 Jul 2009, 16:11 pm
#50 captain fantail: You are an ***!!
Yes 80 % possession in the 1st half, and 2 tries to 1 is being outplayed !!
You are a chop for real… You should call yourself capt guppy tail seems you live in a fishbowl for real
26 Jul 2009, 16:33 pm
#58 Cheetah 4 Eva: Ah yes another typically eloquent bogan from the Cape- your name suits the style – one small adjustment – Cheetahs for eva wpuld be more appropriate. Clap your hands and give your self a round of applause when you get off them.
26 Jul 2009, 16:35 pm
#56 Cheetah 4 Eva: Really?
26 Jul 2009, 16:37 pm
#7 Desertfaffa: Best breakdown yet- others could learn from you.
26 Jul 2009, 16:42 pm
#53 captain fantail: ‘I have made a 90% successful prediction rate over the last 5 years’
I remember your predictions at the World Cup, they were hopeless.
Let’s face it, if SA win next week, it’s a wrap for the 3N because Aus aren’t living with that SA pack.
26 Jul 2009, 22:47 pm
#40 Big Hit:
BUt they werent.
This is silly everyone talking about oh if we did this or we did that we would have won by more,bah pathetic.How about you guys accept the win as it was instead of complaining,yes complaining about missed opportunities.
26 Jul 2009, 22:57 pm
#55 captain fantail:
LOL, what a muppit.
Go hold Tackles hand and help him re-polish the (empty) trophy cabinet.
26 Jul 2009, 23:08 pm
#64 TheBoksAreBack:
Actually its still very full,3 Nations trophy still there.You seem to be counting your chickens a little early i must say
26 Jul 2009, 23:27 pm
#65 Hurricane: It’s full alright – full of bullshit, lost hopes, and an eternity of dreams and RWC tears. Tri-Nations is looking pathetically lonely in there, even if its not the real gold.
And I don’t need to count chickens, you’re doing just fine with them.
26 Jul 2009, 23:52 pm
#5 captain fantail:
“…the fact of the matter is that the Boks 3N campaign is over.” = this must be the counting chickens HURRICANE was on about
“If that is the very best you can do with that much in your favour the Boks are toast from here.” .. no they are warming up and picking themselves up after a successful Lions series
“There was not so much great play from the Boks, just alot of penalties that got them over the line.” … actually most were missed while you had your eyes shut. In which case, well done to them for totally dominating and winning – when not even at full greatness
“I was really impressed how the AB’s mounted a come back in second,” … Boks were just taking a breather for the final drive, and TBH that the only thing the AB’s did all game which differentiated them from a NH team
” had the crowd sh**ting themselves,” … only one sh**ting himself (as clearly see on TV!) was the constipated video footage of Henry sitting on his porta-pottie
” but all in all a desperate victory,” … i think u mean a desperate (and lost) chase
” usual dismal fizzling loss once they have to travel.” … yes the AB’s really fizzled dismally. I thought last time SA travelled to NZ the result was pretty good.
“they were wilting at the end while the AB’s were jsut winding up.” … too little too late. Guess you must know smthing McCaw and boys don’t.
“Even PDV was running a river of sweat down his crack.” … he must have smelled GH’s porta-pottie !
26 Jul 2009, 23:53 pm
#50 captain fantail: Got a pertinent question for you then. Why would any team concede so many penalties unless your contention is that Rolland got them wrong? You don’t have to elaborate. A short and sweet version will do. Btw, I agree, we won by means of the high penalty count against AB’s but that came about through immense pressure. Admit it. You guys were annihilated in that 1st half. Poor goalkicking and a 1 dimensional approach on attack kept you in that game. Mind you, so did you defense but that was made easy with said attack.
27 Jul 2009, 00:04 am
#66 TheBoksAreBack:
Trophy cabinet as of now.
Hilliary cup,Bledisloe cup,Tri nations cup,to name a few
Dont know what you mean re the chickens comment but for you to say the cabinet is empty is quite funny really.
I suggest you go play with your RWC and start stirring the **** you bring to these threads with the huge amount of wooden spoons you have collected from the 3 nations
27 Jul 2009, 00:05 am
#68 BokiNZ: Having said that, you most probably right on the other counts. the 1st encounter is done and dusted. Now to Durban where the Boks have to back up that game with another good one and after that is still the away games to come. And as you eluded to, we are not the best of travellers although in the last couple of seasons that seems to be getting better as well. I’d like to make a prediction of my own, if you please. The AB’s forwards won’t find it easy at the brkdwn anymore as long as Brussouw is playing and with the current personnell in mind will find the Bok tight5 too hot to handle. If Eaton was part of Henry’s plan all along he should’ve played in that 1st test vs FRA. A bit more hardnosed than Ross (who is better suited to come off the bench). And how about giving a rookie the responsiblity to call the lineouts? Nahh. The sooner you pick Hayman and Jack from overseas the better…
27 Jul 2009, 00:11 am
#69 Hurricane: Can’t say he didn’t ask for that…
Although the stock in that cabinet might be depleted by the end of this. You most probably gonna hold on to the Hillary cup for another kezillion yrs though. 
27 Jul 2009, 00:13 am
#68 BokiNZ:
Exactly
As McCaw said pressure from a team normally means the defending team gives away penalties.Boks mauled us all over the park,but the backs looked still the weak point for SA.
I know NZ only scored 1 try but SA had most of the possesion and territory for 60 mins of the game at home..
I believe Captain is saying that even with all these favouring the Boks,home advantage,possesion and territory advantage they still couldnt make the game theres until very late in the game.
He as well as i believe if NZ gets a little more ball to play with the Boks could find themselves behind by quite a bit.
But hey of course that is an “if” statement
27 Jul 2009, 00:14 am
#71 BokiNZ:
lol
Yep that Hilliary cup is ours.
27 Jul 2009, 00:27 am
#62 Big Hit:
Ummm 90%?
**** thats a little bit better than the AB winning percentage against the Poms,now thats saying something
27 Jul 2009, 00:30 am
#72 Hurricane: Yeah. A very big IF. Boks tight five a bit too much at the mo and in unison with diabolical lineouts and the fact that we play a fetcher (a very good one at that) nowadays, I really can’t see the AB’s possession stakes climbing. Think they’ll have to come up with something pretty special with ball in hand but even on that stakes they’re a it sloppy. Not just vs SA but all year. For your sake, I hope it changes for the better. Think they should start Kevin with De Melmanche on the bench. Let Aled know he’s only getting 1/2 hr or so and let him go absolutely berserk! You might be in with a fighting chance then. How I see it anyway…
27 Jul 2009, 00:43 am
Here is my take on how Div should fix our attacking prowess. Select Adi at 12 and instruct Brussouw and Juan to stick to him like glue on defense (only to entertain Adi’s detractors on this site). The Boks attack will take care of itself then. Can just imagine what could’ve happened if Adi had that much frontfoot ball on Saturday. According to me, that is all that’s needed. So now let me have it…
27 Jul 2009, 00:45 am
#69 Hurricane: it’s the Hillary Shield actually, and it was stolen by Rolland rat, I expect it to be returned to it’s rightful owner in the Autumn.
27 Jul 2009, 00:52 am
#77 Big Hit: Didn’t know you were into stand-up. That is some funny *****. Not gonna happen for another year or so, if your u-20 chaps make it into the big leagues with some success. Also think ENG need a new gameplan altogether if they want to sit at the table of the real McCoys
27 Jul 2009, 01:03 am
#78 BokiNZ: check our performance v France, 30-0 up by half time. And that was a stronger French side than the one that beat NZ in NZ.
27 Jul 2009, 01:13 am
#79 Big Hit: Yeah but they’re also French, aren’t they? Look, I’ll gritt my teeth and admit that world rugby probably need a strong and competitive ENG side ( I could re-phrase that into a strong NH) but I don’t think you guys are quite there yet!
27 Jul 2009, 01:38 am
#77 Big Hit:
Phew lucky the spelling Queen Bee is in the house,much needed Job you have there at Keo BH.
#79 Big Hit:
30-0??Is that the 6 nations game?
Didnt England win that game 34-10?
If its the game you are talking about where did you score the 4 points?
And didnt you lose to Wales?
27 Jul 2009, 01:53 am
#81 Hurricane: I wasn’t correcting a spelling error, you do know the difference between a cup and a shield right? One is a giant plate-like monstrosity, the other well, the other is a cup
It was 29-0 at HT in the France game. I do wish you’d cheer up hurricane, your banter is **** when the ABs lose. Think of all the times England have lost and I’ve taken it in incredibly good spirits without a single whinge about the referee
27 Jul 2009, 02:55 am
#69 Hurricane:
WTF has Hillary Shield got to do with a TROPHY cabinet? I know its been a while for you, but we’re talking trophy (cups) here – gold and silver – those things with handles and removable lids … the things one keeps in a trophy cabinet. And what has Bedisloe cup and the other **** got to do with us or SA vs NZ? Is that what you are reduced to? Bragging about beating the poms and convicts and various shields?
I suggest you go help yr mates shine those irrelevant shields up to keep blinding you enough so you can keep bullshitting yourselves the cabinet is full of trophies.
And what do you mean you dunno what I meant with chickens? … you posted : “You seem to be counting your chickens a little early i must say” … but yr sidekick fan tail posted this on page 1 : “…the fact of the matter is that the Boks 3N campaign is over.” … so that must be what you’re referring to about counting chickens a little early.
btw, I see you are now all reduced to “If’s” .. did Tackles teach you that great escape?
27 Jul 2009, 02:58 am
#82 Big Hit:
Shield or cup,its in our Cabinet,dosnt matter now.
So it wasnt 30 nil at half time,thought so,30 does sound better though dosnt it BH.
Anyways i am happy,i am not sad,i enjoy a bit of banter,enjoyed the game the other day,as i have said in other threads today.
Now About you not whinging about refs is a complete toss off BH and you know it.If a Kiwi team gets any rub of the green as you call it,or this one, the so called 50/50 calls go the Kiwis way,to me thats a whinge about the refs.No one else gives the ABs the 50/50 calls but the refs.
Thing is if a ref is useless and everyone can see that hes a bulls up,why not bring it to the forums,it shouldnt be the only reason to a loss but a ref can lose a team a game,been seen a few times i my long career.I have complained about refs before,i know it and unlike you i am man enough to say it
27 Jul 2009, 03:04 am
#83 TheBoksAreBack:
What the heck are you on about??
You said the trophy cabinet,shields,cups,medals all go in a trophy Cabinet.You dont have a medal cabinet or a shield cabinet do you??
And where did you say anything about NZ vs Boks only,you said Trophy Cabinet is bare,i said its not and named a few trophies/Shields that are in there.Calm down why dont you,hell Boks win one game and look at you,damn embarrasing
27 Jul 2009, 03:23 am
#85 Hurricane: No : trophies go in a trophy cabinet, shields go on the shelf, attic, or bin. In your case i guess shields would be there yes.
Calm down yourself, you’re the one that jumped on my reply to fantail.
I’m not at all over-excited about the win, so no need t drag that in. In fact i don’t think i mentioned it other than replying to Fantails ****-stirring (with those shields).
27 Jul 2009, 03:43 am
#86 TheBoksAreBack:
No i just pointed out the trophy cabinet part,thought i was making you aware that there are more in our cabinets than what you seem to think.I thought you would at least have you facts right before spouting off.
Next time i will think twice before pointing out you wrong points.
27 Jul 2009, 03:50 am
#86 TheBoksAreBack:
Oh and by the way,any shields thats the ABs win wont go on a shelf,thats laughable.They will go in a cabinet,but obviuosly not the trophy cabinet cos you cant mix your trophies and shields,everyone knows that
27 Jul 2009, 03:56 am
Fact is, other than what’s being negotiated in the games as we blog, there’s not much of interest to us saffas in your trophy cabinet. Well not compared to what’s in ours anyway.
“Next time i will think twice before pointing out you wrong points.”
Good idea: You need to think twice next time you spout off fullstop. For anything.
Till then, go shine those irrelevant shields and keep bullshitting yourself.
27 Jul 2009, 04:03 am
#89 TheBoksAreBack:
“there’s not much of interest to us saffas in your trophy cabinet”
You bought it up not me,just stating the facts thats all.
All the shields and cups are all relevant to NZ rugby,i am sorry but rugby is not just NZ and the Boks.We have more of a history with Ozzie.Bledisloe cup is a huge thing between us,its been like it for a long time.
But hey its as you say its irrelevant to SA,but hey next time dont mention our trophy cabinet if you dont really want to know whats in it.
27 Jul 2009, 04:07 am
#89 TheBoksAreBack:
And about bullshitting myself,what do you mean?
Your posts seem to have a bit of agro to them,name calling earlier as well,and its 4:03am,you need some sleep.Unless you live in NZ or OZ then this is proof that Schools are not monitoring there internet correctly.
27 Jul 2009, 04:08 am
#88 Hurricane: “Oh and by the way,any shields thats the ABs win wont go on a shelf,thats laughable.They will go in a cabinet,but obviuosly not the trophy cabinet cos you cant mix your trophies and shields,everyone knows that”
Well there’s some hope after all!
That’ll be the cabinet next to the pretty empty trophy cabinet then. Glad I could help you find it.
27 Jul 2009, 04:12 am
#91 Hurricane: You’re used to blogging with schoolkids? … then yes i guess they are not monitoring your conversations with their kids correctly.
What relevance has the world time got to do with anything here? Or is that your version of agro?
27 Jul 2009, 04:27 am
#93 TheBoksAreBack:
Thanks to you yes i am getting used to talking to school kids.
But hey i have 3 kids of my own so its really not a huge problem,just sometimes i need to spell somethings out as i have had to do here.
Anyway thanks for the banter,need to do somework and by the looks of it,it must be your afternoon tea,have fun on the jungle gyms
27 Jul 2009, 04:33 am
#94 Hurricane: quit blogging with schoolkids, specially as you claim to be adult.
When you’ve practised with some grown-ups, come back and try again.
Till then, keep shining those shields and dreaming of that gold trophy.
27 Jul 2009, 05:15 am
#95 TheBoksAreBack:
#94 Hurricane:
enough already you two its getting boring.
27 Jul 2009, 11:28 am
#89 TheBoksAreBack: really, you havent heard big Vic Matfield saying he’d like to win the tri-nations again ? only won it once… how long has he been playing international rugby ? and lucky you won the WC two years ago, meant you only had to wait 2 years to win a S14 too… is that 3 S14s now ? how many Tri-Nations you won ?
please take them from our cabinet, because the dust that has gathered under them really needs cleaning, and us poor poor poor kiwis are going to need some big stwong SA’s to lift them for us…
one win and the gloating begins, amazing…
27 Jul 2009, 14:11 pm
I would not write of the Aussies as yet.They only have
to blame themselves for losing against the All Blacks.
Remember is was a home game for the All Blacks.
The draw favours South Africa because it starts with
3 home games.
It would have been a different story if the Boks had to
meet the All Blacks in New Zeeland.I reckon it is easier to beat the Wallabies on their own turf.
So with a favourable draw it would be a pity if the Boks
didn’t pull this one off.
30 Jul 2009, 04:32 am
#16 captain fantail: I quote you: “If thats the best the Boks have in how they played tonite they are up shite alley from here on in”
Let me put it into perspective for you:
The biggest winning margin by the boks over the AB’s EVER is 17. If we sank our kicks tonight, or even most of them, we would have surpassed this margin by FAR. So perhaps they are not as far up shite alley as you think…and perhaps the AB’s are not so guaranteed fo a comeback as you might think.
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