Comments on: Frans favoured for Hamilton finale

By: Dunx

Dunx — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 11:55:48 +0000

they’re just enjoying stuffing our players around, he was the best deputy at scrumhalf as du preez was the best, then they told him he needs to specialize at flyhalf as that is the only way he could play for the springboks now they want him at fullback, wing, centre they are playing with his career

By: Big Hit

Big Hit — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:51:15 +0000

#152 kwas: euros, serious dough for a young man.

By: kwas

kwas — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:42:30 +0000

#151 Big Hit: Millionaire in euros or SA rupees?

By: Big Hit

Big Hit — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:09:49 +0000

I think it has more to do with Racing Metro offering to make him a millionaire by the age of 24.

By: TheTackler

TheTackler — Thu, 10 Sep 2009 01:53:41 +0000

#138 mk: He's a Tim Noakes disciple. With all the rugby they play these days, he's going to be utterly burnt out by 26, not 32 as in the good old days. A player on the very top of his skill-set is always going to fetch more money than someone in his declining twilight years, only playing for a bit of pension before his belt-buckle no longer reaches his belt. It's called "professionalism".

By: WP_

WP_ — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 23:09:52 +0000

of course. you made it.

By: CoachPete

CoachPete — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 22:50:18 +0000

Right decision

By: Mike Brass

Mike Brass — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 20:26:23 +0000

#146 Big Hit: Indeed. The Boks have had playmakers like Michael du Plessis and Hennie le Roux before at inside centre, both of whom played flyhalf for their respective provinces. David (no 63), Michael remained at flyhalf for WP. The inside centre was Faffa Knoetze. He played inside centre for the Boks and was deadly outside Naas. Ahhhhh...the backline of Heunis, Carl, Danie, Michael, Jaco, Naas and Garth. One of the most awesome backlines that we have ever fielded.

By: Big Hit

Big Hit — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 18:59:20 +0000

#96 skopskiet: well said skop, need a creative player at 10 or 12

By: haribaldi

haribaldi — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 18:20:50 +0000

Rather than moan about our young blood deserting us, and betraying us by migrating north to get and spend the almighty EURO, we need to focus on building our professional “minor leagues” for those 18-22 year olds.

It’s hard to keep the ancients from going north for silver.

But we gotta keep our youngsters.

By: SpringbokSarah

SpringbokSarah — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 18:04:54 +0000

just one point, come on guys! YOU CAN DO IT!

By: nama1

nama1 — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 17:22:30 +0000

#142 mk: Lol.
No, I think some fathers who couldn’t crack it in their heyday, are now doing it through their sons.

I can remember Liefling’s father doing the same thing in 2001 (I think). Demanding from WP to guarentee him a place in the A-team or else he would sign for the Blue Bulls who already had made such a promise. WP didn’t budge so Liefling signed for the Blue Bulls.That same year Liefling stick it to the WP administrators when he destroyed them in the CC final.

Then there is the case of the Rose brothers a few years back. Enver, their father, also wanted guarentees from WP that Earl and Jody would play CC and Vodacom rugby. WP wouldn’t guarentee that so they signed with the Lions instead who included such guarentees in their contract.

The Brian/Bernie case has been discussed on this forum just a week or two ago as you know. You have mentioned the case of KP and his father already.

Now these are only the cases that made the headlines in the newspapers or forums like this. I wonder how many cases are out there where a father actually destroys his sons/daughters sporting career making demands like these fathers mentioned above.

By: mk

mk — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 16:47:25 +0000

#136 nama1: durban people are becoming south africa's very own peculiar people by the look of things.i alse read somewhere that kevin pietersen and his father went up to jozi and his father demanded from ali bacher,the then md of cricket sa,to be given a guarantee that kevin will be selected and become a regular in the proteas team in two years time,at the time of that meeting.

By: nama1

nama1 — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 16:43:50 +0000

#138 mk: Well, according to him, the fact that he does not have responsibilities with regards to a wife and/or children, is the reason why he decided to signe now. Don't know how much sense that make. All South Africans who went over there to play, highly recommended it as a good move for the whole family. You are at home every night after practise or the game, over the weekend, and your wife and kids can experience other cultures. Why he signed for three years though? Maybe you right. The zeros did it for him.

By: David

David — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 16:33:46 +0000

#130 mk: I also think it was a rather petulant gesture to go where he could play at 10, probably encouraged by his father as NAMA1 suggests. The kid just isn't a natural test level 10, whatever he or his father might believe.

By: Puma

Puma — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 16:29:52 +0000

#115 grant10: WE sure are going to miss Frans Steyn when he leaves for France. Also he should have been kept to play FB for the whole of the Tri-Nations. Why did we change to Ruan in Perth? Now Fransie has to get up to speed again. He has only played in the last bit of both the Perth and Brisbane games. #113 wackers: Somehow I think if its wet underfoot and even if there is rain it will suit the Boks. Never used to by like that but with our kick-and-chase game it will suit us. Especially now with Frans Steyn starting at FB.

By: mk

mk — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 16:26:58 +0000

#136 nama1: this contract business of frans steyn is to me very perplexing to say the least.i mean ,why sign a 3 year deal when you are basically still a youngster and still needs to grow as a player on the south african rugby scene in spite of winning a world cup at the age of 20years.why not first establish yourself as a south african great in the currie cup and super 14 competions and then head off to france or britain.it's not as if he needs to cash-in now before he retires.at the end of the next world cup he would not even touch 25years of age for heavens sake.

By: Slappes

Slappes — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 16:26:27 +0000

136 Nama1 – The bools supporters are retarded , thats why.

By: nama1

nama1 — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 16:15:00 +0000

#130 mk: Doesn't his father advise him? I seem to remember some blogger on here mentioning that his father demanded from the Sharks that he plays in a certain position or else. Also find it curious that so many bloggers (exspecially Bulls supporters) had a go at Bernie Habana when Brian signed for WP but nobody ever mentioned FS father in this 3year deal. Surely he could've given him better advice seeing that Frans is still a youngster.

By: mk

mk — Wed, 09 Sep 2009 16:14:14 +0000

the kiwi media are nothing but a bunch of hypocrites i say because in the past daniel carter would have employed the same tactics by kicking the ball deep and straight into the opposition’s 22two,forcing them into a kicking mistake or handling error. now that we have a strong kicking game it’s a problem for them because the all blacks can’t use this kicking tactic too much.