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		<title>By: Dusky</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2010/02/10/sharks-running-out-of-time/#comment-1511464</link>
		<dc:creator>Dusky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[SA rugby say the Lions complaint is not valid.

I dont see why the Sharks have to seek an urgent decision from the court or anyone else.

Let Alberts play - and if the Lions want to - let them go to court.

Why is Van Zyl taking this further from his side ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SA rugby say the Lions complaint is not valid.</p>
<p>I dont see why the Sharks have to seek an urgent decision from the court or anyone else.</p>
<p>Let Alberts play &#8211; and if the Lions want to &#8211; let them go to court.</p>
<p>Why is Van Zyl taking this further from his side ?</p>
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		<title>By: mshiniwami</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2010/02/10/sharks-running-out-of-time/#comment-1511313</link>
		<dc:creator>mshiniwami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1511271&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;johnny10&lt;/a&gt;: 

Yes ur right,Bulls did enquire about Willem&#039;s services as well so Tac adopting this hollier that thou attitude is rich.Willem was contracted as a junior at the Bulls before moving in his u20 to the Lions.

With Ludik,he has wanted to leave the Lions for a while now.Rumour is that when Lions heard he wanted to leave,when he got injured they left him in the changeroom when he did his knee in and never got doctors/physio&#039;s to attend to him.He had to ask his varsity mates(Oppierif Koshuis) to help him to his car and drive him to physio.He was also told to cover his own rehab costs.He felt mistreated and has been talking to the Sharks since during CC last yr.Never intended ever going back there.(dont know if there&#039;s much substance to rumour but this was what was going around amongst the koshuises-my younger bro is in one of the koshuises there)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1511271" rel="nofollow">johnny10</a>: </p>
<p>Yes ur right,Bulls did enquire about Willem&#8217;s services as well so Tac adopting this hollier that thou attitude is rich.Willem was contracted as a junior at the Bulls before moving in his u20 to the Lions.</p>
<p>With Ludik,he has wanted to leave the Lions for a while now.Rumour is that when Lions heard he wanted to leave,when he got injured they left him in the changeroom when he did his knee in and never got doctors/physio&#8217;s to attend to him.He had to ask his varsity mates(Oppierif Koshuis) to help him to his car and drive him to physio.He was also told to cover his own rehab costs.He felt mistreated and has been talking to the Sharks since during CC last yr.Never intended ever going back there.(dont know if there&#8217;s much substance to rumour but this was what was going around amongst the koshuises-my younger bro is in one of the koshuises there)</p>
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		<title>By: johnny10</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2010/02/10/sharks-running-out-of-time/#comment-1511271</link>
		<dc:creator>johnny10</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 08:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[o yes. 
and for your info. the bulls was hot on Willem&#039;s track,they wanted him bad!!!! he just decided to go to the Sharks,because he believes he can wear the green and gold if his playing there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>o yes.<br />
and for your info. the bulls was hot on Willem&#8217;s track,they wanted him bad!!!! he just decided to go to the Sharks,because he believes he can wear the green and gold if his playing there.</p>
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		<title>By: Brentie1</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2010/02/10/sharks-running-out-of-time/#comment-1511270</link>
		<dc:creator>Brentie1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 08:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The court may arrive at a different conclusion, because
it may also explore the true intent of the contract and
rule that the clause, if it does exist,&#039;to be agreed by
both parties&#039; does show the true intend by both contracting
parties that this is a matter they have agreed upon should
be resolved at a future date as in the case of Fourie he
returns to form or perhaps an old injury prevents him from
playing.
Has anyone ever considered what would have happened to Fourie
if his injury had not responded to treatment as it has.
Would the WP still have been as keen to contract him.
Perhaps the Lions should put in a clause stipulating that
an injured player should bear the full cost of the medical
treatment should he default from his contract for whatsoever
reason.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The court may arrive at a different conclusion, because<br />
it may also explore the true intent of the contract and<br />
rule that the clause, if it does exist,&#8217;to be agreed by<br />
both parties&#8217; does show the true intend by both contracting<br />
parties that this is a matter they have agreed upon should<br />
be resolved at a future date as in the case of Fourie he<br />
returns to form or perhaps an old injury prevents him from<br />
playing.<br />
Has anyone ever considered what would have happened to Fourie<br />
if his injury had not responded to treatment as it has.<br />
Would the WP still have been as keen to contract him.<br />
Perhaps the Lions should put in a clause stipulating that<br />
an injured player should bear the full cost of the medical<br />
treatment should he default from his contract for whatsoever<br />
reason.</p>
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		<title>By: johnny10</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2010/02/10/sharks-running-out-of-time/#comment-1511268</link>
		<dc:creator>johnny10</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 08:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree HONDO. Ludik is a safe fullback, but nothin/nobody will beat francois steyn on 15!!!!
And Tacitus, I realy think you should visit some rugby sites more often, and gain some needed knowledge, because dude I realy don&#039;t think you know what is going on. 
I will back Willem Alberts with my pants on the ground, and my savings in my hand. He lost 7kg at the Sharks (critical for his game to improve) in a matter of 3 months. ( Couldn&#039;t have done this at the Lions conditioning program for over 2 years)
Besides Piere Spies, he is the only 8 that is able to pick up behind the scrum and gain some yards, (witht hte new rules, this will be crucial) make the tackles (in fact better than Spies statisticcs), and compete at the breakdowns.  seriously, If you prefer some panzy 8, that can twinckle around on his toes, and stand on wing when things get tough, you don&#039;t deserve to be a blogger for a rugby site, because then you don&#039;t now shit about this game!!

and for the whole Sharks/Lions saga. The contract of Jaque Fourie and these two players was exactly the same, the Sharks saw the loop hole, and put strenght to their team, as the province did, as the Bulls will. Mismanagement from Manie&#039;s side. point. Kevin de klerk and John Plumtree already said bye to both of them, it is just manie who is trying to cover his own ass, to the dismay of players, GREAT CEO!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree HONDO. Ludik is a safe fullback, but nothin/nobody will beat francois steyn on 15!!!!<br />
And Tacitus, I realy think you should visit some rugby sites more often, and gain some needed knowledge, because dude I realy don&#8217;t think you know what is going on.<br />
I will back Willem Alberts with my pants on the ground, and my savings in my hand. He lost 7kg at the Sharks (critical for his game to improve) in a matter of 3 months. ( Couldn&#8217;t have done this at the Lions conditioning program for over 2 years)<br />
Besides Piere Spies, he is the only 8 that is able to pick up behind the scrum and gain some yards, (witht hte new rules, this will be crucial) make the tackles (in fact better than Spies statisticcs), and compete at the breakdowns.  seriously, If you prefer some panzy 8, that can twinckle around on his toes, and stand on wing when things get tough, you don&#8217;t deserve to be a blogger for a rugby site, because then you don&#8217;t now <acronym title="Keep it clean!">****</acronym> about this game!!</p>
<p>and for the whole Sharks/Lions saga. The contract of Jaque Fourie and these two players was exactly the same, the Sharks saw the loop hole, and put strenght to their team, as the province did, as the Bulls will. Mismanagement from Manie&#8217;s side. point. Kevin de klerk and John Plumtree already said bye to both of them, it is just manie who is trying to cover his own <acronym title="Keep it clean!">***</acronym>, to the dismay of players, GREAT CEO!!</p>
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		<title>By: Treehugger</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2010/02/10/sharks-running-out-of-time/#comment-1511033</link>
		<dc:creator>Treehugger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 22:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[KZN King Shark  :mrgreen:]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KZN King Shark  <img src='http://keo.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif' alt=':mrgreen:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: KZN King Shark</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2010/02/10/sharks-running-out-of-time/#comment-1511029</link>
		<dc:creator>KZN King Shark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 22:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Arrrrggghhh!!!! *Pulls hair out* can we for more than 24 hours not have a negative thread about the Sharks? Jeeez! Grant step away from the keyboard!!

Do you think Grant has Sharks toilet paper? I reckon he has the John Smit special edition.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arrrrggghhh!!!! *Pulls hair out* can we for more than 24 hours not have a negative thread about the Sharks? Jeeez! Grant step away from the keyboard!!</p>
<p>Do you think Grant has Sharks toilet paper? I reckon he has the John Smit special edition.</p>
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		<title>By: KZN King Shark</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2010/02/10/sharks-running-out-of-time/#comment-1511028</link>
		<dc:creator>KZN King Shark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 22:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1510824&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;toughnrumble&lt;/a&gt;: Its all Smit&#039;s fault!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1510824" rel="nofollow">toughnrumble</a>: Its all Smit&#8217;s fault!!</p>
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		<title>By: Hondo</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2010/02/10/sharks-running-out-of-time/#comment-1511027</link>
		<dc:creator>Hondo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 22:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1510989&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tacitus&lt;/a&gt;: 
#72
&quot;Two relatively minor players are the cause of a dispute between a relatively minor franchise and another franchise which is teetering on the brink of becoming a minor franchise.&quot;
I like it Tacitus,,,,
repeated 3 more times, you&#039;ll start believing it.
FYI:
Both players when fit are the best at their positions in SA currently, Ludik under prpper coaching has immense potential, Albert&#039;s already the best No8 in SA, beats Spies, Kanko and Vermulen to the ground with one hand tied behind his back
Cheers!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1510989" rel="nofollow">Tacitus</a>:<br />
#72<br />
&#8220;Two relatively minor players are the cause of a dispute between a relatively minor franchise and another franchise which is teetering on the brink of becoming a minor franchise.&#8221;<br />
I like it Tacitus,,,,<br />
repeated 3 more times, you&#8217;ll start believing it.<br />
FYI:<br />
Both players when fit are the best at their positions in SA currently, Ludik under prpper coaching has immense potential, Albert&#8217;s already the best No8 in SA, beats Spies, Kanko and Vermulen to the ground with one hand tied behind his back<br />
Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: FireStraeuli</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2010/02/10/sharks-running-out-of-time/#comment-1511021</link>
		<dc:creator>FireStraeuli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 19:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1511018&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;sharks_lover&lt;/a&gt;: Hehehe, thanks I saw it...LOL]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1511018" rel="nofollow">sharks_lover</a>: Hehehe, thanks I saw it&#8230;LOL</p>
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		<title>By: sharks_lover</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2010/02/10/sharks-running-out-of-time/#comment-1511018</link>
		<dc:creator>sharks_lover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 19:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1511015&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;FireStraeuli&lt;/a&gt;:  heres a post he just put up lol in the insult thread 


Is FireStraueli a freegin Tjarks supporter or a freegin Stormers supporter…. how the hell can one struggle with a simple thing like registration…. oi.

Just eating dinner quickly…. Bobotie and also some Briani… then I will schlep my weary body off to the office to go mail FireStruaeli his login Particulars and help the dude get in….

Hang in there “Vuurtjie” jou dom etter!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1511015" rel="nofollow">FireStraeuli</a>:  heres a post he just put up lol in the insult thread </p>
<p>Is FireStraueli a freegin Tjarks supporter or a freegin Stormers supporter…. how the hell can one struggle with a simple thing like registration…. oi.</p>
<p>Just eating dinner quickly…. Bobotie and also some Briani… then I will schlep my weary body off to the office to go mail FireStruaeli his login Particulars and help the dude get in….</p>
<p>Hang in there “Vuurtjie” jou dom etter!</p>
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		<title>By: sharks_lover</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2010/02/10/sharks-running-out-of-time/#comment-1511017</link>
		<dc:creator>sharks_lover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 19:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1511015&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;FireStraeuli&lt;/a&gt;: lol kk will do]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1511015" rel="nofollow">FireStraeuli</a>: lol kk will do</p>
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		<title>By: FireStraeuli</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2010/02/10/sharks-running-out-of-time/#comment-1511015</link>
		<dc:creator>FireStraeuli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 19:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1511006&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;sharks_lover&lt;/a&gt;: Damn, no luck, got his message on the thread, but as fot logging in...error.
Sorry to make you the middle man, but please tel rudi to reset my password or send it via e-mail....I know i&#039;m gonna get a ton of grief for this little episode.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1511006" rel="nofollow">sharks_lover</a>: Damn, no luck, got his message on the thread, but as fot logging in&#8230;error.<br />
Sorry to make you the middle man, but please tel rudi to reset my password or send it via e-mail&#8230;.I know i&#8217;m gonna get a ton of grief for this little episode.</p>
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		<title>By: FireStraeuli</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2010/02/10/sharks-running-out-of-time/#comment-1511009</link>
		<dc:creator>FireStraeuli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 19:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1511006&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;sharks_lover&lt;/a&gt;: Dude, tell Rudi he&#039;s killing me with anticipation, my hunger for some Blou Nulle is growing ever stronger, yet to my dismay the man seems to enjoy my suffering...LOL]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1511006" rel="nofollow">sharks_lover</a>: Dude, tell Rudi he&#8217;s killing me with anticipation, my hunger for some Blou Nulle is growing ever stronger, yet to my dismay the man seems to enjoy my suffering&#8230;LOL</p>
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		<title>By: sharks_lover</title>
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		<dc:creator>sharks_lover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1511005&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;FireStraeuli&lt;/a&gt;:  ok check in 5 min , rudi was offline for a few]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1511005" rel="nofollow">FireStraeuli</a>:  ok check in 5 min , rudi was offline for a few</p>
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		<title>By: FireStraeuli</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2010/02/10/sharks-running-out-of-time/#comment-1511005</link>
		<dc:creator>FireStraeuli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1511004&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;sharks_lover&lt;/a&gt;: Ag giftig man, much apreciated.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1511004" rel="nofollow">sharks_lover</a>: Ag giftig man, much apreciated.</p>
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		<title>By: sharks_lover</title>
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		<dc:creator>sharks_lover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ill tell rudi to hurry up , he is in the room]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ill tell rudi to hurry up , he is in the room</p>
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		<title>By: FireStraeuli</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2010/02/10/sharks-running-out-of-time/#comment-1511003</link>
		<dc:creator>FireStraeuli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1510996&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;sharks_lover&lt;/a&gt;: Damn they&#039;re taking their sweet time to send me my confirmation e-mail...eish]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1510996" rel="nofollow">sharks_lover</a>: Damn they&#8217;re taking their sweet time to send me my confirmation e-mail&#8230;eish</p>
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		<title>By: Uil</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2010/02/10/sharks-running-out-of-time/#comment-1511002</link>
		<dc:creator>Uil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1510989&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tacitus&lt;/a&gt;: JvdW - ek wonder hoe goed is hy nog. Dink jy nie die Bulls is hier besig met ietwat van &#039;n groot waagstuk nie. Ek meen as jy twee jaar terug goed was, wie sê jy is steeds vandag nog goed?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1510989" rel="nofollow">Tacitus</a>: JvdW &#8211; ek wonder hoe goed is hy nog. Dink jy nie die Bulls is hier besig met ietwat van &#8216;n groot waagstuk nie. Ek meen as jy twee jaar terug goed was, wie sê jy is steeds vandag nog goed?</p>
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		<title>By: sharks_lover</title>
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		<dc:creator>sharks_lover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1510993&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tacitus&lt;/a&gt;:  tacitus i have always maintained that both parties are guilty

the fact stays that had saru had a backbone this issue could have been solved long ago

instead it against shows the incompetence of our rugby board]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1510993" rel="nofollow">Tacitus</a>:  tacitus i have always maintained that both parties are guilty</p>
<p>the fact stays that had saru had a backbone this issue could have been solved long ago</p>
<p>instead it against shows the incompetence of our rugby board</p>
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