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		<title>By: SjamBok</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2010/03/16/inexperience-no-excuse-for-lions/#comment-1542917</link>
		<dc:creator>SjamBok</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 19:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When Winning Ways was helping out, we saw an immediate difference in play - and definitely in defence.  Under Dick, it has regressed again. 

Clearly the defensive suystem that Dick teaches is rubbish.
The attacking play has been alright- but there ar individuals in teh team that just dont seem to follow the game plan- they instead choose to follow the glory path, and end up making a hash of things and putting their team under pressure. 

I think Carlos spencer was a mistake. His attitude is to encourage the surpise decisions, and go for the glory. While it pays off occasionally, he has lost as many games for the AB&#039;s with it as he has won. 

Playing him is OK if teh rest of the team sticks to the structure. But it seems that the whole team reckons they can be a &quot;King Carlos&quot;. Ist just that they dont have teh thinking capacity or experience or whatever to know when its not on. And based on Carlos&#039;s latest showings, I am wondering if he does anymore.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When Winning Ways was helping out, we saw an immediate difference in play &#8211; and definitely in defence.  Under <acronym title="Keep it clean!">****</acronym>, it has regressed again. </p>
<p>Clearly the defensive suystem that <acronym title="Keep it clean!">****</acronym> teaches is rubbish.<br />
The attacking play has been alright- but there ar individuals in teh team that just dont seem to follow the game plan- they instead choose to follow the glory path, and end up making a hash of things and putting their team under pressure. </p>
<p>I think Carlos spencer was a mistake. His attitude is to encourage the surpise decisions, and go for the glory. While it pays off occasionally, he has lost as many games for the AB&#8217;s with it as he has won. </p>
<p>Playing him is OK if teh rest of the team sticks to the structure. But it seems that the whole team reckons they can be a &#8220;King Carlos&#8221;. Ist just that they dont have teh thinking capacity or experience or whatever to know when its not on. And based on Carlos&#8217;s latest showings, I am wondering if he does anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Grrrr....I used to be a Lion!</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2010/03/16/inexperience-no-excuse-for-lions/#comment-1542636</link>
		<dc:creator>Grrrr....I used to be a Lion!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 13:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This last weekend&#039;s loss has cost the Lions 7 Die hard supporters that I know of. Last oke must please switch the lights off the in Jo&#039;burg please....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This last weekend&#8217;s loss has cost the Lions 7 Die hard supporters that I know of. Last oke must please switch the lights off the in Jo&#8217;burg please&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Papoose</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2010/03/16/inexperience-no-excuse-for-lions/#comment-1542430</link>
		<dc:creator>Papoose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 10:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1542427&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Morgan&lt;/a&gt;: hahaha
u guys r just haters
lions need more structure
i concor that they are missing alot of tackles
Rose and Spencer dont make much tackles
seems there&#039;s an atitude tht if you&#039;re playmaker u dont defend
thats got to stop yeah]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1542427" rel="nofollow">Morgan</a>: hahaha<br />
u guys r just haters<br />
lions need more structure<br />
i concor that they are missing alot of tackles<br />
Rose and Spencer dont make much tackles<br />
seems there&#8217;s an atitude tht if you&#8217;re playmaker u dont defend<br />
thats got to stop yeah</p>
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		<title>By: Morgan</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2010/03/16/inexperience-no-excuse-for-lions/#comment-1542427</link>
		<dc:creator>Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 10:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Groenie, if you put no one at fullback, he will still be better than Rose.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Groenie, if you put no one at fullback, he will still be better than Rose.</p>
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		<title>By: wpw</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2010/03/16/inexperience-no-excuse-for-lions/#comment-1542398</link>
		<dc:creator>wpw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 10:05:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1542372&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;groenie&lt;/a&gt;: 

Both those players were not good enough to make it at the Bulls.

Francis probably still has the talent to make it but Delport is just useless!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1542372" rel="nofollow">groenie</a>: </p>
<p>Both those players were not good enough to make it at the Bulls.</p>
<p>Francis probably still has the talent to make it but Delport is just useless!!</p>
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		<title>By: groenie</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2010/03/16/inexperience-no-excuse-for-lions/#comment-1542372</link>
		<dc:creator>groenie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 09:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1542354&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Papoose&lt;/a&gt;: 

Delport played fullback for SA U19 and U21 who both won the world championships.

Francis has played full back at the bulls also.

At least these players will make takles...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1542354" rel="nofollow">Papoose</a>: </p>
<p>Delport played fullback for SA U19 and U21 who both won the world championships.</p>
<p>Francis has played full back at the bulls also.</p>
<p>At least these players will make takles&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Papoose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Papoose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 09:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1542341&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;groenie&lt;/a&gt;: earl rose is a fullback
putting francis or delport there is no good]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1542341" rel="nofollow">groenie</a>: earl rose is a fullback<br />
putting francis or delport there is no good</p>
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		<title>By: groenie</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2010/03/16/inexperience-no-excuse-for-lions/#comment-1542353</link>
		<dc:creator>groenie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 09:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1542342&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Storm outta hell&lt;/a&gt;: 

yip

who knowes maybe Earl along with PDV have more of a hold on Dick than we know...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1542342" rel="nofollow">Storm outta hell</a>: </p>
<p>yip</p>
<p>who knowes maybe Earl along with PDV have more of a hold on <acronym title="Keep it clean!">****</acronym> than we know&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Paws</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2010/03/16/inexperience-no-excuse-for-lions/#comment-1542351</link>
		<dc:creator>Paws</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 09:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The problems at the Lions start at the board. They are the clowns who after all hired a part-time coach in dick.

The next big problem is dick. He is only a part time coach because the other half of the time he is with the Boks, and then his other business interests. All other s14 franchises have full time coaches, I wonder why.
Dick might be a good club coach, but that is where it ends.
He is the one who chooses the players that run onto the field, for crying out load, what is rose still doing there. More important he is the one giving them a ‘directionless’ game plan. Even more importantly, he is the one who does not believe he needs a defensive coach.

Anyone who does not see that dick is the wrong coach with the wrong plan is either very naïve, or being blind on purpose.

Is there a player problem quality wise .. yes there is to a large degree, but there are good players, enough to put a good team on the field. 

Dick must go, I don’t want to sit for 3 more years of his crap. Players out of position .. 8 changes a game  .. touch/7’s rugby .. who needs a defensive coach, ext.

Where is Hollenbach?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problems at the Lions start at the board. They are the clowns who after all hired a part-time coach in <acronym title="Keep it clean!">****</acronym>.</p>
<p>The next big problem is <acronym title="Keep it clean!">****</acronym>. He is only a part time coach because the other half of the time he is with the Boks, and then his other business interests. All other s14 franchises have full time coaches, I wonder why.<br />
<acronym title="Keep it clean!">****</acronym> might be a good club coach, but that is where it ends.<br />
He is the one who chooses the players that run onto the field, for crying out load, what is rose still doing there. More important he is the one giving them a ‘directionless’ game plan. Even more importantly, he is the one who does not believe he needs a defensive coach.</p>
<p>Anyone who does not see that <acronym title="Keep it clean!">****</acronym> is the wrong coach with the wrong plan is either very naïve, or being blind on purpose.</p>
<p>Is there a player problem quality wise .. yes there is to a large degree, but there are good players, enough to put a good team on the field. </p>
<p><acronym title="Keep it clean!">****</acronym> must go, I don’t want to sit for 3 more years of his <acronym title="Keep it clean!">****</acronym>. Players out of position .. 8 changes a game  .. touch/7’s rugby .. who needs a defensive coach, ext.</p>
<p>Where is Hollenbach?</p>
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		<title>By: Storm outta hell</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2010/03/16/inexperience-no-excuse-for-lions/#comment-1542342</link>
		<dc:creator>Storm outta hell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 09:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1542334&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;groenie&lt;/a&gt;: Beats me...that&#039;s the R50 000000 question..?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1542334" rel="nofollow">groenie</a>: Beats me&#8230;that&#8217;s the R50 000000 question..?</p>
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		<title>By: groenie</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2010/03/16/inexperience-no-excuse-for-lions/#comment-1542341</link>
		<dc:creator>groenie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 09:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1542318&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;onerb&lt;/a&gt;: 

I agree with you.

Look at the stormers, they did pay over 6MIL to get Fourie and Habana, but in the last 5games they made that money back by having almost sold out stands..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1542318" rel="nofollow">onerb</a>: </p>
<p>I agree with you.</p>
<p>Look at the stormers, they did pay over 6MIL to get Fourie and Habana, but in the last 5games they made that money back by having almost sold out stands..</p>
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		<title>By: groenie</title>
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		<dc:creator>groenie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 09:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[what i would like to know is why Dick is so sold on playing Earl Rose every week, if he has players like Francis and Delport from the bulls who are ten million times better.....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what i would like to know is why <acronym title="Keep it clean!">****</acronym> is so sold on playing Earl Rose every week, if he has players like Francis and Delport from the bulls who are ten million times better&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Storm outta hell</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2010/03/16/inexperience-no-excuse-for-lions/#comment-1542319</link>
		<dc:creator>Storm outta hell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 08:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1542312&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;onerb&lt;/a&gt;: They bought &#039;King&#039; Carlos  :lol:]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1542312" rel="nofollow">onerb</a>: They bought &#8216;King&#8217; Carlos  <img src='http://keo.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: onerb</title>
		<link>http://keo.co.za/2010/03/16/inexperience-no-excuse-for-lions/#comment-1542318</link>
		<dc:creator>onerb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 08:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Willa - Why not use the Rebels model.

Get players from overseas - Wikus, Barrit, Brent Russel, Marius Joubert, Willie Wepener(Should never have let him go in the first place), Daan Human etc, etc ...Sure it would have cost them a fortune, but sitting 3rd on the log after 5 games would bring the fans to the games paying for the expensive recruitments.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Willa &#8211; Why not use the Rebels model.</p>
<p>Get players from overseas &#8211; Wikus, Barrit, Brent Russel, Marius Joubert, Willie Wepener(Should never have let him go in the first place), Daan Human etc, etc &#8230;Sure it would have cost them a fortune, but sitting 3rd on the log after 5 games would bring the fans to the games paying for the expensive recruitments.</p>
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		<title>By: onerb</title>
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		<dc:creator>onerb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 08:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1542153&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;wpw&lt;/a&gt;: 

So what did the Lions do with the R50bar they received to change ellis park to coca cola park for 5years? Surely they could have bought a decent team of expats willing to be mercenaries?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1542153" rel="nofollow">wpw</a>: </p>
<p>So what did the Lions do with the R50bar they received to change ellis park to coca cola park for 5years? Surely they could have bought a decent team of expats willing to be mercenaries?</p>
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		<title>By: onerb</title>
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		<dc:creator>onerb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 08:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1542121&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;sparticus&lt;/a&gt;: 

Why then if defence is a problem do they not have a defence coach? All the top teams have one but Muir says he doesn&#039;t require specialist defence skills.

The results prove that dicky is wrong.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1542121" rel="nofollow">sparticus</a>: </p>
<p>Why then if defence is a problem do they not have a defence coach? All the top teams have one but Muir says he doesn&#8217;t require specialist defence skills.</p>
<p>The results prove that dicky is wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: WP_</title>
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		<dc:creator>WP_</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 08:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-1542277&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;wpw&lt;/a&gt;: Good advice mate. After all that&#039;s all that they are, ramblings.

Ramblings of a deranged lunatic at some stages I&#039;d say. :lol:]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a href="#comment-1542277" rel="nofollow">wpw</a>: Good advice mate. After all that&#8217;s all that they are, ramblings.</p>
<p>Ramblings of a deranged lunatic at some stages I&#8217;d say. <img src='http://keo.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: wpw</title>
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		<dc:creator>wpw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 08:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[May I suggest that we all ignore grant10&#039;s ramblings??  :lol:

He does after all rate Luke Watson as a future Bok captain!!!

Hell, if he had his way Luke would be the current Bok captain!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May I suggest that we all ignore grant10&#8242;s ramblings??  <img src='http://keo.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>He does after all rate Luke Watson as a future Bok captain!!!</p>
<p>Hell, if he had his way Luke would be the current Bok captain!!!</p>
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		<title>By: sparticus</title>
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		<dc:creator>sparticus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 07:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What about the great influence of Jake White ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about the great influence of Jake White ?</p>
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		<title>By: Brentie1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brentie1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 07:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Lions and the Sharks had dismal performances in their warm up games.The Stormers beat the Sharks quite comfortably and
a B-string Bulls side disposed of the Lions in a similar
fashion.
Super rugby has been played for well over a decade and the
Local teams all 4/5 of them manage to win 3 Super titles.
The bulk went to the Kiwis and Aussies.It is a simple fact
that Currie cup success does not guarantee Super 14 success
but at least it is an indication that the Franchise has a core
of players on which it will be able to build a Super 14 squad.
The Lions don&#039;t belong in the Super 14.Instead of paying
 a retirement bonus to Spencer they should have scouring
non Super 14 franchises for talent.
I am sure there are many talented players elsewhere who
would have jumped at the chance to play Super 14 rugby for
1/3 Spencer is paid.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Lions and the Sharks had dismal performances in their warm up games.The Stormers beat the Sharks quite comfortably and<br />
a B-string Bulls side disposed of the Lions in a similar<br />
fashion.<br />
Super rugby has been played for well over a decade and the<br />
Local teams all 4/5 of them manage to win 3 Super titles.<br />
The bulk went to the Kiwis and Aussies.It is a simple fact<br />
that Currie cup success does not guarantee Super 14 success<br />
but at least it is an indication that the Franchise has a core<br />
of players on which it will be able to build a Super 14 squad.<br />
The Lions don&#8217;t belong in the Super 14.Instead of paying<br />
 a retirement bonus to Spencer they should have scouring<br />
non Super 14 franchises for talent.<br />
I am sure there are many talented players elsewhere who<br />
would have jumped at the chance to play Super 14 rugby for<br />
1/3 Spencer is paid.</p>
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