Troubles of a white wing
21 Apr 2010
Gerhard van den Heever faces immense obstacles in his quest to earn Springbok selection.
The Bulls wing wants to go to the 2011 World Cup in New Zealand. And in an ideal world, one uncomplicated by Bryan Habana’s legacy and accepted but flawed selection norms, he’d have a realistic hope too.
This, after all, is the kid who ended his rookie season in 2009 having scored 11 tries in 19 provincial matches, and at the time of writing had bagged four in seven Super 14 starts. Rich in promise and with all the technical and physical attributes a modern wing needs to be successful, his Springbok ambition isn’t misplaced.
But his is a unique battle – one that no other elite South African wing has to fight.
It’s one, firstly, for acceptance and appreciation among the Loftus disciples, who are still in mourning after the passing – figuratively speaking – of their messiah, Habana. Van den Heever is yet to prove he is worthy of lacing Habana’s boots, let alone filling them.
Those in the know at the Bulls tell me he’s quicker than Habana (a South African champion hurdler at school, he once ran 13.7sec over 110m and boasts a 200m best of 20.9). He’s quicker than that now, but speed alone will never see him escape Habana’s haunting shadow.
Habana’s legend was built on feats of brilliance, the most memorable of which came at Kings Park in 2007. That last-gasp try against the Sharks captured the Bulls’ first Super 14 title. Appreciation for Habana became reverence. Whoever succeeded him would be judged by the standard he had set.
Habana was the Bulls’ adrenalin-charged central nervous system, renowned for his ability to spark the team into life with impossibly brilliant feats. Viewed in this context, Van den Heever’s lot is not an enviable one.
He addresses the subject of being compared to Habana with the naivety of the man-child that he is.
‘People shouldn’t compare me to Bryan,’ he says. ‘Of course they shouldn’t,’ I counter, ‘but the reality is they do and are, and will continue to for some time.’
‘I can’t control that. I can’t control what people think. I just know I’m my own man. Bryan is the best wing in the world. Nobody can fill his boots,’ is his rebuttal.
‘Sure,’ I probe further, ‘but as unrealistic as the expectation is, the nature of people is to measure the replacement of an exceptional player by the standards that player has set. Let me ask you this, where do you think you stand in the Bulls supporters’ estimation?
‘I don’t know. I haven’t thought about that.’
Of course he hasn’t. The question was a foolish one to pose to a 20-year-old who was probably oblivious to the issue until I raised it. Such complexities didn’t register with him. Keeping his starting place through consistent performance is his primary, all-consuming, objective. But his ignorant bliss will soon be disturbed by the realisation of the magnitude of the task ahead. The Bulls’ faithful are looking for a new demi-god to worship. Van den Heever’s mortality will only be tolerated for so long. Supernatural is what is demanded.
‘That’s unfair pressure to put on a youngster,’ Bulls coach Frans Ludeke says. ‘We see a bright future for Gerhard, but we’re realistic about his development and understand that we need to have patience with him.
‘Bryan was a special player who will forever be remembered as a legend at Loftus. But I think it’s testament to Gerhard’s talent that people compare him to Bryan. Even Bryan said he [Van den Heever] is a better player at 20 than he was at the same age. That’s a massive compliment and he will only improve.
‘We’re giving him time and space to progress naturally. I hope others will do the same.’
Van den Heever could have done without Habana weighing in on the issue of his successor in a post-match interview after their Currie Cup triumph in 2009.
It was a throwaway line: ‘I think Gerhard has the potential to be a Bulls and Springbok great.’ The implications of which Habana didn’t consider at the time. He was paying a massive compliment to his heir apparent, but inadvertently dumped a jersey that weighed 100kg on the kid and slipped lead boots on to his feet.
Van den Heever remains unfazed.
‘That comment never made me feel burdened. Why would it? I grew up idolising Bryan and for me to feel down about him saying kind things like that about me to the media would be foolish.’
But there is an uncertainty detectable in Van den Heever’s voice. Earlier he told me ‘I back my ability’ when asked if he ever felt inhibited by a fear of failure, then later admits that he ‘sometimes’ thinks he is out of his depth.
That inconsistency isn’t unexpected from one so young. It does, however, remind us that Van den Heever’s is as much a battle to emerge from Habana’s shadow, as it is one for emotional and cognitive equilibrium.
Then there’s the issue of Springbok selection and the World Cup, which poses an altogether new challenge.
Not since Nick Mallett routinely penned Pieter Rossouw’s name on the team sheet has a Springbok coach consistently selected a white wing.
This has become the domain of the dark-skinned player, and the prospects of the perception that white is whack changing are slim, unless Van den Heever plays so exceptionally that he makes himself invaluable to the Springboks.
And even if he should master levitation, acquire a jet pack and blow his opposition away in the coming year, he would still be competing for just one position, given that Springbok coach Peter de Villiers is highly unlikely to look beyond Habana as his starting left wing.
That leaves Van den Heever competing with eight wingers (at the time of writing, all of whom were black, and one of who, JP Pietersen, is a World Cup winner) for the right wing berth.
‘If I suggested those were insurmountable odds, what would your response be?’
‘I don’t think like that,’ he says, ‘I don’t think about the issues you’ve raised, or all the wingers I have to get past to make the Springbok squad. Maybe it’s naive, but I’d like to think that if I’m the best of the bunch I’ll get picked.’
‘But that hasn’t been the reality of Springbok rugby recently,’ I interject. ‘The best players sometimes don’t get picked for various reasons.’
‘The Springbok coach has said on a number of occasions that he will reward those who perform consistently. I can only trust that he stays true to his word,’ he says.
Only time will tell whether Van den Heever will die in the darkness cast by Habana’s shadow, or whether he’ll stay the execution and build a legacy of his own. This year’s rugby season will be decisive in answering that question.
Time is not an ally. Conclusions about his aptitude for Super Rugby will be drawn at the end of their 2010 campaign, or perhaps sooner, without due consideration of his age. Even exceptional performances will still not guarantee that he even gets a passing glance from the Springbok selectors.
Welcome to the world of Gerhard van den Heever. It isn’t a place for the faint-hearted.
By Ryan Vrede
– This article first appeared in the April issue of SA Rugby magazine. The May issue is on sale now.
566 Comments
21 Apr 2010, 09:08 am
this oke is average….mapoe better …as are 2 x incumbents
21 Apr 2010, 09:08 am
White dragon.
21 Apr 2010, 09:08 am
21 Apr 2010, 09:09 am
quick….but defence average…at best.
bulls are suspect out wide and with the kid at 13 they were really vulnerable. Now J P back it will assist bulls.
21 Apr 2010, 09:12 am
I think a post WC backline might well have room for Shadow. Fourie du Preez gone. Jacques Fourie gone. JDV of again We could be looking at a backline of: (9) Ricky (Make peace with it) (10) Morne (11) Shadow (12) Juan de Jongh (13) Lionel Mapoe (14) Polla (15) Zane.
21 Apr 2010, 09:13 am
This kid is still young, but he has all the ingredients to become really good.
Under Meyer’s guidance, I have no doubt this will happen.
21 Apr 2010, 09:14 am
average?
what a laugh.
keep bending over backwards and maybe the comrades wont take that beach house eh?
your opinion is average
but indeed mapoe is indeed a fine player, pity he got injured.
21 Apr 2010, 09:16 am
@rangerman: and a top of the morning to you as well young lady.
21 Apr 2010, 09:20 am
Looks like a prospect but don’t ‘overhype’ this kid. He has a long way to go, much like the other youngster like Lambie, De Jongh, Mapoe. All talented and will no doubt step up when the time is right.
But for now, give me JPP and Habanero. Just remember not so long ago, JPP was this 19 year old greenhorn fullback. Now at 23 or so, he has a Currie Cup, a Tri Nations, has beaten the Lions and won a World Cup.
If Gerhard is good enough, his time will come.
21 Apr 2010, 09:22 am
@Taahirah: Duvenage will be 9, and Mapoe is not a 13, he has said so himself.
So not quite…
21 Apr 2010, 09:23 am
Flawed article – Habana plays on the left at 11, Vd Heever is at 14.
So the article should have compared the young man to JPP.
But we all know vd Heever can’t possibly be selected for the Boks on the wing. Wing is a reserved (wink, wink) position as recognised in the article.
21 Apr 2010, 09:24 am
I know JP P is a quality player but geez he was distinctly kak against the Lions. Butter fingers, missing tackles. He needs to wake up
21 Apr 2010, 09:24 am
Headlines like this make me sick, confirming we still live in a country obsessed with skin color, when will we move on I wonder ????
21 Apr 2010, 09:25 am
@WP_: Is Ruan going somewhere? For that matter – is Sarel Pretorius, Jano Vermaak and Rory Kockett going somewhere?
21 Apr 2010, 09:28 am
White wing?
Speed?
Tacitus?
21 Apr 2010, 09:29 am
We already have one pompous git in the house.
Now just waiting for Bill Reyts.
21 Apr 2010, 09:29 am
@Kerneels: Hopefully not. They are all ahead of Ricky imo.
Just trying to say that Ricky is not even the Best 9 at the Stormers.
Agree Ruan will be the Bok 9 post 2011, he’s getting better and better there with every game
21 Apr 2010, 09:30 am
Nothing stops him from going – as a spectator that is. He has a way to go.
21 Apr 2010, 09:30 am
@Dawn: Like another Limerick?
21 Apr 2010, 09:31 am
“………‘Sure,’ I probe further, ‘but as unrealistic as the expectation is, the nature of people is to measure the replacement of an exceptional player by the standards that player has set. Let me ask you this, where do you think you stand in the Bulls supporters’ estimation?
‘I don’t know. I haven’t thought about that.’
Of course he hasn’t. The question was a foolish one to pose to a 20-year-old who was probably oblivious to the issue until I raised it. Such complexities didn’t register with him. Keeping his starting place through consistent performance is his primary, all-consuming, objective. But his ignorant bliss will soon be disturbed by the realisation of the magnitude of the task ahead. The Bulls’ faithful are looking for a new demi-god to worship. Van den Heever’s mortality will only be tolerated for so long. Supernatural is what is demanded.”…………….
Nonsense. This paragraph smacks of condescention in the extreme. To assume that he isn’t confronted with these questions every time he walks onto the field is being very naive. Gerhard is simply avoiding the question.
But yes, he has potential, and yes, there are many hurdles to overcome (
) before he pulls on the green and gold.
21 Apr 2010, 09:31 am
@WP_:
I remember JPP being the top try scorer in 2007, to turn up in 2008 having an absolute shocker – but he then showed when he joined the Boks the class he has.
I would agree, JPP needs to have more on-day’s than off-day’s. He needs to get his head right but he is seemingly suffering from the same disease as most Sharks players currently under a coaching setup which does not seem to inspire confidence.
21 Apr 2010, 09:31 am
Ryan ……..
“This has become the domain of the dark-skinned player, and the prospects of the perception that white is whack changing are slim”
What does this mean in Spanglish?
21 Apr 2010, 09:32 am
@Dawn:
Good morning Dawn! I have no issues with you and never had. You can call me what you like.
21 Apr 2010, 09:33 am
Don’t NOBODY mess with my ……………….
“emotional and cognitive equilibrium.”
(Thanks Ryan … top form today!)
21 Apr 2010, 09:33 am
@WP_: @Kerneels: Im goin on PDV’s stated preferences. Ricky isnt mine, Id prefer Francois Hougaard to take over from Fourie. As for 13: Adi’s retirement date is approaching so I threw Mapoe in there as there are no other 13s in the country outside of Jaque Fourie who inspires confidence.
21 Apr 2010, 09:33 am
@Bill Reyts:
Look forward to another French dialogue today.
21 Apr 2010, 09:34 am
@Oubaas2009: I agree. The article written in dialogue style at times is amusing
I like this kid as I like all the others which you have mentioned. I agree with your last sentence but I will change it slightly.. “If Gerhard is good enough, time will tell”
21 Apr 2010, 09:34 am
Go to Australia young man, if you are good enough you will be rewarded!
21 Apr 2010, 09:35 am
this kid has shown me nothing to suggest he’d be a future bok
21 Apr 2010, 09:35 am
@Dawn: @ 26
I love you too.
21 Apr 2010, 09:36 am
@st.a.t.w:
He has good hands and speed (Tac) – his defense is suspect, but can be improved with time I’m sure.
21 Apr 2010, 09:37 am
@PissAnt: Ya, and it’s frustrating seeing him play like that because we all know how good he can be when on form.
21 Apr 2010, 09:38 am
@st.a.t.w:
He has good acceleration and steps of either foot with ease.
His biggest asset to me however is as a youngster, he seems unflustered on the big stage, which is a massive plus.
21 Apr 2010, 09:39 am
“Only time will tell whether Van den Heever will die in the darkness cast by Habana’s shadow”
Beautiful Ryan. Beautiful.
21 Apr 2010, 09:39 am
I think he is in the same boat as Nokwe. Super quick but seriously lacking in other departments.
He could always move to Fullback but he will need to imporve a lot. Does have the physical attributes of a Fullback.
21 Apr 2010, 09:42 am
Que’est-ce que c’est la probleme au-jourd’hui?
21 Apr 2010, 09:44 am
@WP Till I Die:
Ag nee man babes.
Don’t you start.
21 Apr 2010, 09:44 am
@WP Till I Die: chatte
21 Apr 2010, 09:44 am
All that I want to know is the following:
Is Ryan a bigger Bulls supporter than JC is a Stormers supporter?
21 Apr 2010, 09:44 am
Journalism is at an all time low in this country.
It seems you have to mention race to sell an article. Gerhard VDH’s career has nothing to do with race. He is a youngster trying to make his mark.
Ryan Vrede you verkrampte b@stard. You bloody agent.
21 Apr 2010, 09:44 am
WTF! A blantanly racist headline together with an article peppered with racial comments. Ryan is pathetic.
It’s incredible! Please tell me why Guthro is not getting this punt punt style article about being of colour in an “alledgly” whites only domain of prop or why he is in the que behind many white props for a bok jersey?
21 Apr 2010, 09:45 am
JPP was good when there was a good backline. Sharks backline is nothing to right home about at the moment. Terblance is really kicking away ball sometimes when he should not. Can’t blame wings for a bad match when they see the ball twice a game. Bulls and stormers move the ball to the wings more then the other unions thats why there wings get more into the game. If nokwe of the Cheetahs see the ball twice in a game thats a lot.
21 Apr 2010, 09:45 am
We are debating the pros and cons of the phrase …..
“white is whack changing”
21 Apr 2010, 09:46 am
Really, this kid is NOOOOT a Springbok now.
He might become one, he might not. But all this talk about how he should be included now is truly ridiculous. It’s not that he is young or that he needs to grow – there are other candidates such as Mapoe that is in the same boat. But Mapoe has a physical maturity that allows him to play with the big boys.
Now I’m not saying he must gym till he looks like Jaque Fourie, Aplon and company do great as small players. But they don’t play like small players!
21 Apr 2010, 09:46 am
@Heavens Game:
Don’t go there!!!
21 Apr 2010, 09:46 am
Wo ist mein alter Freund Tacitus? Ich will hören was er zu sagt hat über dieses feuchtbares Artikel.
21 Apr 2010, 09:46 am
@rossoneri: Why “racist”? Please illuminate, shine the light or should we say shine the white?
21 Apr 2010, 09:46 am
His defense is rubbish.
He doesn’t get stuck in….but hopefully that can be fixed.
21 Apr 2010, 09:46 am
@WP Till I Die:
Waar is my informasie oor die manne in die kilts.
21 Apr 2010, 09:46 am
This kid reminds me of Doug Howlett. Great positioning to finish off tries. He has the potential to make the Bok squad after the World Cup. That being said who do you’ll think should be the wings for the World Cup?
Habana
JP
Nokwe
Odwa???
21 Apr 2010, 09:47 am
when is just being a saffa ever going to be enough…..
in the immortal words of justrugby!
Right wing…..white wing….
a few of those on this blog!!!
Hey Ranger?
21 Apr 2010, 09:47 am
this is a bullsh*t article, the kid has no claim whatsoever to a springboks spot, it is not his destiny; he must still play for it. To try and foretell that he will have problems being selected is mischievious. That’s like saying Burton Francis or any other player of colour will have problems ever playing for the Springboks because predominantly or in the history of Springbok rugby our flyhalfs have been white!
“Hurdles” will make the Bok team in the future and will be valuable for our team.
21 Apr 2010, 09:48 am
@Dawn: Why you speaking Dutch?
21 Apr 2010, 09:48 am
@WP Till I Die: zu horen wo?
21 Apr 2010, 09:48 am
Aaah ja, and have to agree, the whole “white wing” thing is in truly bad taste.
If you really need to make your point you can refer in the article to how South Africa has only so many players of colour and how a lot of them are on the wings. But to put it like that? That actually makes me more mad the more I think about it.
It is provoking any fans who might be sensitive along racial lines to make it into a race issue, when he is really just still a very fast athlete starting to learn his trade and shouldn’t be allowed near a Bok jumper!
21 Apr 2010, 09:48 am
Quite amazing that Gerhard finds himself on the right wing instead of the left.
This is an emotional and cognitive dilemma.
21 Apr 2010, 09:49 am
@Oubaas2009: It’s a disgrace! What is the intention here. Pressure Pdv into sellecting him?
Gerhard vd Heever is so lucky. As a white rugby player he comes on the scene equiped with free marketing from SA rugby scribes. Shame, Mapoe and Nokwe will never get this kind of advantage.
21 Apr 2010, 09:49 am
@Dawn: Ryan doesn’t want to compare Hougard to Habana.
21 Apr 2010, 09:50 am
@Sonito: Agree.
“He could always move to Fullback but he will need to imporve a lot. Does have the physical attributes of a Fullback.” A Bulls supporter (forgot who), pi$$ed off at the losing to the Reds last weekend, said something like this…”how can we win when at 1 wing we have a scrumhalf playing and the other winger has a shape of a girl/woman”… :lo:
21 Apr 2010, 09:50 am
Habana and JPP will be our number one wings for 2011.
People forget how good JPP’s defense is, he puts in some huge hits (like Habana).
21 Apr 2010, 09:50 am
Its crazy to think how young JP still is. He must take a leaf from Joe Rockoco and loose some weight and get his speed and his Illusiveness back.
JP is one of the smoothest runners you will see in rugby.
21 Apr 2010, 09:50 am
@Bill Reyts:
This is between me and WPTID.
Out you go.
21 Apr 2010, 09:51 am
we need more articles like this … just to spite those dumbf&ck Newlands crowd supporting the all black teams. (most of them have 1 tooth and grade 8)
21 Apr 2010, 09:51 am
grade 8
21 Apr 2010, 09:52 am
@CenturionShark (aka LondonShark):
Can you teach him to hang on to a ball in front of the tryline??
21 Apr 2010, 09:52 am
@Dawn:
Ok
21 Apr 2010, 09:52 am
Gerhard van den Heever muß ja warten. Er hat Zeit, er ist noch sehr jung.
Zur Zeit ist Habana, Pietersen, Nokwe, Mapoe undsoweiter viel besser als ihm.
21 Apr 2010, 09:52 am
@Ashley_Langenhoven:
Grade 8 is probably more than you got.
21 Apr 2010, 09:53 am
@wpjoulekkading: 55. Why don’t you say black players instead of “players of colour”?
21 Apr 2010, 09:54 am
Stupid article.
All you’ve done is putting “some more lead in his shoes ..”.
Keep color out of rugby, for pete’s sake ..!
21 Apr 2010, 09:54 am
dawn yes you papsak Son reporter you ..quota!
21 Apr 2010, 09:54 am
JPP
HABANA
MAPOE
APLON….
21 Apr 2010, 09:54 am
@WP Till I Die:
C’est un tel poste d’âge mûr. Je suis heureux de voir que vous êtes si l’objectif
21 Apr 2010, 09:55 am
PIET IN THE HOUSE
21 Apr 2010, 09:55 am
@WP Till I Die: do you have a german character set installed?
21 Apr 2010, 09:55 am
My post World Cup backline would ideally be:
9. Francois Hougaard 10. Steyn
12. Meisiekind (assuming JdV leaves) 13. Jacques Fourie
11. Habs 14. JP Pietersen
15. Frans Steyn.
Reserves:
Pienaar
Meisiekind
Duvenhage
Grant
Van der Heever
Kirchner
Hey dreams can come true hey…
21 Apr 2010, 09:56 am
Guys!!!!!
Stop being so bloody sensitive.
He is WHITE, he is a WING, and 90% of SA wingers are black/coloured.
21 Apr 2010, 09:56 am
@Heavens Game:
Pensez-vous que je pisse sur la batterie de Dawn
21 Apr 2010, 09:57 am
Today I will let loose Gotterdammerung on Keo.
21 Apr 2010, 09:57 am
@theOracle:
HaHa. He does actually have a face and body of a girl. I think he could pull drag off easily.
21 Apr 2010, 09:57 am
Strange article, based on a preconceived idea that the author simply could not let go of despite the best efforts of the interviewee to dispel it.
This preconceived idea is that Habana is “revered” at Loftus. Believe me, we have let him go, and have moved on. Now Ryan just has to do the same.
As for vd Heever: His Bok fortunes might well be tied to that of someone like Juan de Jongh. Sad, but it’s all about the numbers in the end.
21 Apr 2010, 09:57 am
@Bill Reyts: 78. oui. yebo.
21 Apr 2010, 09:57 am
@Ashley_Langenhoven: Pray tell how an article about vd Heever’s future potential to be a Springbok would be upsetting to the crowds and Stormers supporters at Newlands, or are you the one who only has grade 8 education.
21 Apr 2010, 09:57 am
@CenturionShark (aka LondonShark):
Ryan started it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
21 Apr 2010, 09:57 am
@PissAnt:
good acceleration and steps of either foot is a necessity that wingers nowadays have to have and most of the wingers out there today have got that
there is quite a few wingers currently in sa that i believe show more potential then this guy
this guy needs to work on and fix he’s shortcomings
21 Apr 2010, 09:57 am
@Kiddo: Meisiekind in the run-on side AND on the bench? That’s a bit much asked, even from him surely?
21 Apr 2010, 09:58 am
@Kiddo:
Come on you can do better than that. Too few True Blue boys there.
Kirschner
Shadow
Olivier
Pretorius
Hougie
Steyn
Du Preez
21 Apr 2010, 09:58 am
@Tacitus:
Welcome!
21 Apr 2010, 09:58 am
@Sonito: He could. He is very pretty.
21 Apr 2010, 09:58 am
@Tacitus: 81. its not about the numbers, stupid. its about the pigmentation.
21 Apr 2010, 09:59 am
@Heavens Game:
J’adore quand les gens me parler. Cela signifie qu’ils ont le béguin pour cette personne. Avez-vous d’accord
21 Apr 2010, 09:59 am
@Dawn:
Not really, Ryan pointed out the facts.
21 Apr 2010, 09:59 am
@CenturionShark (aka LondonShark): 77. Dont’t say WHITE, say “non-black” – accepted term around Keo…
21 Apr 2010, 09:59 am
Rossoneri aka hater aka dumbf&ck racist sl&t … you can put away your panga for now .. Bulls will play @ loftus for another 3 weeks. Not yet uhuru
21 Apr 2010, 10:00 am
@rossoneri:
I can just imagine him running out onto loftus with a nice pair of lace stockings.
21 Apr 2010, 10:01 am
@Bill Reyts:
Ah, tu parles francais – c’est bon.
@Heavens Game:
Nein, aber Ich kenne ASCII ja sehr gut, kann ja schnell Umlauts machen zum Beispiel ä ë ü.
@Bill Reyts:
Je croix que oui, peut-être.
21 Apr 2010, 10:01 am
20.9 for the 200m my @@@@@@@@@rse.
Always hyperbole with new players in SA !
Frankly, he looks a nice tidy player but thats about it, no solo individual efforts in his tally. Give the lad a break, hardly needs to be built up at this stage of his career ?!
21 Apr 2010, 10:02 am
@Bill Reyts: 91. oui, mais elle est un peu confus
21 Apr 2010, 10:02 am
@rossoneri:
You will be labelled – retract that statement immediately.
21 Apr 2010, 10:02 am
I seem to think that “Ashley_Langenhoven” is the same person who nick is “God” and is just on here to stir race rubish from both sides.
Piss off!!!
21 Apr 2010, 10:03 am
@Ashley_Langenhoven: Ok. You’re just stupid. Moving on.
Oh and it’s great to know I can still get that vein in your neck to pump with fury without even trying. Why don’t you run along and get a heart attack now.
21 Apr 2010, 10:03 am
Oh la la …. Quelle horreur…
Pauvre Hurdles..
21 Apr 2010, 10:05 am
@Ashley_Langenhoven:
Grade 2 and dropping … fast.
21 Apr 2010, 10:05 am
@Sonito:
Now you’re being naughty. I just think he genuinely is very pretty. He has freckles over his nose I think.
21 Apr 2010, 10:06 am
Time to drop the race card and pick players on merit and not race.
21 Apr 2010, 10:06 am
@Dawn:
hahahahahaha
21 Apr 2010, 10:06 am
@Tacitus: Well if there are some who haven’t yet, they certainly will after he scores a couple over V/D Heever in Newlands next month!!
21 Apr 2010, 10:06 am
reds
Crusaders
sharks
bulls
That keeps me awake at night!
Bloody hell could they have made stormers run in more tough??
21 Apr 2010, 10:06 am
@Brentie1: 105
viva
21 Apr 2010, 10:07 am
@WP Till I Die:
Non, je ne parle pas français du tout. J’écris avec un peu d’aide
21 Apr 2010, 10:08 am
@grant10: It’s crunch time. I wouldn’t worry about the Sharks though.
21 Apr 2010, 10:08 am
between Dawn and Rossoneri i reckon Piet gets to experience a good old saffa hospital today….cardiac section.
21 Apr 2010, 10:09 am
@rossoneri: 111
Picked up grand stand ticket for Saders game yesterday!!
21 Apr 2010, 10:09 am
I see we now have three limp dicks swanning around with pocket hankies and speaking French.
21 Apr 2010, 10:09 am
@gunther: WTF hurdles?
21 Apr 2010, 10:10 am
@Dawn: A limp **** wont matter to you, obviously.
Don’t flap
21 Apr 2010, 10:11 am
@Heavens Game:
Ja.
Your **** flaps even when you don’t want it to.
21 Apr 2010, 10:11 am
K@k , he is not bok material. Its one thing to run fast but another to do so with a rugby ball in your hand.
21 Apr 2010, 10:11 am
@Dawn:
Quatre – Avez-vous passé en mathématiques à l’école
21 Apr 2010, 10:13 am
@Heavens Game:
Elle adore l’attention qu’elle reçoit de tout le monde parlait d’elle.
21 Apr 2010, 10:13 am
@grant10:
Will get that money into your account today !!
Can’t wait !!
21 Apr 2010, 10:13 am
@Oubaas2009: Agree 100%, there is nothing wrong with our current bunch of youngsters, just because they’ve been in the wars and won so much does not mean they are old and disposable, 2015 RWC is where GVDH will shine
21 Apr 2010, 10:13 am
@Dawn: 117. At least it works, however minimally. lol. For you it shouldn’t matter though, surely. Or are you actually interested in dicks, I might have been mistaken all along.
21 Apr 2010, 10:14 am
@Bill Reyts:
Audi Quatre?
Did I pass mathematics at school?
Why?
21 Apr 2010, 10:15 am
@Bill Reyts: 120. That she does.
21 Apr 2010, 10:15 am
@Bill Reyts:
I adore attention?
Why?
21 Apr 2010, 10:15 am
@Dawn: @124
Quatre mecs de langue française mon amie
21 Apr 2010, 10:15 am
Schwoa, Ich bin so schrecklich geil heute.
Dieser Typ “Ashley_Langenhoven” muß ein Schwanzlutscher sein.
21 Apr 2010, 10:16 am
@Dawn:
Parce que Je t’aime et le langage de l’amour est le français
21 Apr 2010, 10:18 am
@WP Till I Die: jakomte, jakomte!!!
21 Apr 2010, 10:18 am
Dawn avez vous beaucoup d’experience des connards?
HG
Oui “hurdles” c’est son nom de guerre!
21 Apr 2010, 10:18 am
@Heavens Game:
Elle s’intéresse à des kilts…
21 Apr 2010, 10:18 am
@Dawn:
Mon doux Dawn! Je m’abstiendrai de parler français au moment où vous avouer votre amour mourir pour moi.
21 Apr 2010, 10:20 am
@WP Till I Die: 132. Yeah, it seems anything with a dress
21 Apr 2010, 10:20 am
@WP Till I Die:
Elle s’intéresse également à pénis doux que je vois.
21 Apr 2010, 10:20 am
@gunther:
Non, “Hurdles” est son nom de plume.
“Pantoffel” est so nom de guerre…
21 Apr 2010, 10:21 am
Interestingly enough, if you use a IRB player value system exactly along the lines of FIFA player value system ………you end up with something like this
Dan Carter 25
FDP 22
Richie Mc Caw 17
Brian Habana 18.5
Jaque Fourie 15
Vic Mattfield 13.5
Joe Rockokoko 11.4
Frans Steyn 9
Juan Martin Hernandez 9
Will Genia 9
James O’ Connor 8.5
Quade Cooper 8.5
Conrad Smith 8.5
Juan Smith 8.5
Schalk Burger 8
Bakkies Botha 8
Matt G 8
Stephen Brett 8
Steven Donald 7.9
Morne Steyn 7.9
Jamie Heaslip 7.8
James Horwill 7.8
Tony Woodcock 7.7
BOD 7.7
Gethin Jenkins 7.7
Carl Hayman 7.6
Vincent Clerc 7.6
Jamie Roberts 7.6
Imanol Harinordoquy 7.6
Rob Kearney 7.5
Jimmy Cowan 7.4
Sergio Parisse 7.5
Rocky Elsom 7.5
James Hook 7.5
Tommy Bowe 7.5
Jerry Flannery 7.5
Ben Robinson 7.5
Nicolas Mas 6.5
Nick Easter 5.5
Note one of the major Factor is the age of a player, hence O’ Connor priced above BOD
21 Apr 2010, 10:21 am
@Taahirah: Assuming JdV buggers off or gets injured.
21 Apr 2010, 10:22 am
Todos está siendo terriblemente grosero
21 Apr 2010, 10:23 am
Sometimes, men are a HUGE disappointment.
21 Apr 2010, 10:23 am
@Dawn: got to their website www dot capetown-caledonian-pipeband dot com
21 Apr 2010, 10:23 am
@Dawn: sympathies
21 Apr 2010, 10:23 am
C’est magnifique – Keo en francais!
Allez les Bleus!
21 Apr 2010, 10:24 am
@justrugby:
Yes I agree with you JR!
21 Apr 2010, 10:24 am
@WP Till I Die: Allez
21 Apr 2010, 10:25 am
@Dawn:
Seulement quand ils ivre et ne peut pas effectuer
21 Apr 2010, 10:25 am
@Bill Reyts:
LOl……let’s all then converse in English !
21 Apr 2010, 10:26 am
@Dawn:
Ma cherie: wwww dot cthighlanders dot co dot za
21 Apr 2010, 10:26 am
This kid have the attributes to become a great like Pissant mentioned earlier.
He still have to walk the walk though ,but have made an more than decent start.
Further, hopefully selections will be on merit only ALLWAYS !!!
Our national team must be the 15 best players, whether they are lilly white or chocolate brown – The best 15 please !!!
And lastly, this kid does’nt sound all that childish at all, and I for one thought he handled Ryan’s leading questions quite well…
21 Apr 2010, 10:28 am
@justrugby: shove your “crude” up your mini-me
21 Apr 2010, 10:28 am
@justrugby:
Ok! Dawn loves guys who can speak French. We are all fighting for the first date.
21 Apr 2010, 10:28 am
@Dawn: 140
Really?
i thought a decent pharmacist could sort any performance anxiety?
HG may be an exception.
21 Apr 2010, 10:28 am
Mechant wptid….
21 Apr 2010, 10:28 am
@grant10: Grant i thought i told you, Never Aplon, NEVER
21 Apr 2010, 10:30 am
@MacToogie: 154
I dont share your sizeist jake the snake views….
21 Apr 2010, 10:30 am
@grant10: 112Recon you’re right. @grant10:113 Grant the saders will have to bring their A game. Stormers are looking formiddable these days. But Saders are not to be underestimated. They have many youngsters in their side, but they know how to win matches. It’ll be juicy.
21 Apr 2010, 10:30 am
@Bill Reyts: ag no man, dont start that kaaark again, got find another thread about Lions or sharks where no one is blogging and talk your sweet nothings there.
21 Apr 2010, 10:31 am
@Blouste: I agree. Based on the article his responses were great. Shows a maturity and focus. I was referring to Ryan’s interpretations of some of his comments implying a sort of “youthfull ignorance” which didn’t appear to me to be the case at all.
21 Apr 2010, 10:31 am
HG is living proof that French talking doesent pull the ladies….
21 Apr 2010, 10:31 am
@grant10:
Size matters in Blue Bull country mate!
21 Apr 2010, 10:32 am
@MacToogie:
Oh Good morning Mac. You well?
21 Apr 2010, 10:32 am
@grant10: hahahaha, you know he’ll never make the RWC though.
21 Apr 2010, 10:32 am
@MacToogie:
Thanks Mac.
21 Apr 2010, 10:32 am
@MacToogie:
Oh put your skirt on and catch a life mate.
21 Apr 2010, 10:33 am
@grant10: and no matter what all the girls tell you to assure you bud, SIZE DOES MATTER =P
21 Apr 2010, 10:33 am
Leave this kid to play….not neccessary to put pressure on him….Akona Ndugane may well have taken his place if he never got hurt again.Bulls are vulnerble out wide….i sense a few teams will want to head out wide against them….like the reds did…makes sense.
21 Apr 2010, 10:33 am
@Heavens Game:
Crude should be rude dimwit !! Your translator not working to well ???
Time to take yourself in hand you frustrated wannabee Capetonian !!
21 Apr 2010, 10:34 am
@Bill Reyts: you guys killed the thread with that bol yesterday, now u wanna do the same here.
21 Apr 2010, 10:35 am
@grant10: 159. Eyeties pull more than the Frenchies
21 Apr 2010, 10:36 am
@MacToogie:
You guys! Don’t pull the other guys in. It’s me who you have an issue with. If you lack humour then wear your dress.
21 Apr 2010, 10:36 am
Why are my posts being moderated all the time? What are we allowed to post and not? I suppose we cannot provide direct links to other websites?
21 Apr 2010, 10:37 am
@justrugby: 167. lol. What defines a “Capetonian”, Mini-me?
21 Apr 2010, 10:37 am
keen to see the bulls team…..reckon they should take a chance and rest some okes….Matfield….fdp and MS spring to mind….those okes looked klaar against reds.
21 Apr 2010, 10:38 am
@Bill Reyts: got no issue with you, but there you go again reading me all wrong, it just really got stupid yesterday with you guys having handbags at 10 paces in foreign languages.
21 Apr 2010, 10:39 am
April 28.
Fox ‘n Hound pub gig.
19hh00
Where is the Fox ‘n Hound!!!
21 Apr 2010, 10:40 am
i never understand H G S drivel anyway….so he may as well talk Swahili for all i care.
21 Apr 2010, 10:40 am
@justrugby: 167. Translate this, umufo omfuphi umboko omncinyane
21 Apr 2010, 10:41 am
You can see that we’ve run out of anything meaningful to say about hekkies that hasn’t already been said.
And you can tell by how the comments have degenerated that people have gotten tired of the usual “my player is better than yours” debates that dominated the threads in the first 10 weeks of the competition.
I shudder at the thoughts of the depths we will have sunk to by the end of the tournament.
21 Apr 2010, 10:42 am
@Bill Reyts: secondly you trying to make fun of me wearing a kilt will never work because it doesn’t embarrass me son, its part of my life and heritage which i’m extremely proud of, so anything you say regarding that, I’ve heard before, said before or read before so it does not have the effect you might wish for.
21 Apr 2010, 10:42 am
@stormersboy: LOL
Derbies coming up….then its chaos!
21 Apr 2010, 10:43 am
Mediterraneans in general pull the women. They have ettiquette.
21 Apr 2010, 10:43 am
@MacToogie: 179
Careful…..all the talk of kilts will result in HG stalking you!
21 Apr 2010, 10:43 am
@Dawn: which band is that Dawn?
21 Apr 2010, 10:43 am
@RugbyRulz: 181
And love there football……so thats you out of the question.
21 Apr 2010, 10:43 am
@MacToogie:
You tell him Mac.
(Listen. This band better not be full of old men blowing bagpipes!)
21 Apr 2010, 10:44 am
@stormersboy: 178. Wait till the derbies. There its pretty clear though, the incredible invincible Stormers are on an unstoppable march to the Cup. So debate is pointless, isn’t it?
21 Apr 2010, 10:45 am
@stormersboy:
Sad but true…
21 Apr 2010, 10:46 am
@grant10: ubolo oluncane
21 Apr 2010, 10:46 am
@grant10: Do you think they’ll risk resting players at this crucial stage? If they’d beaten the Reds I could see that happening much easier than now.
Fatigue is a real factor, you are 100% right, and it will be better for SA rugby, but is it better for the Bulls?
I personally think they’ll give the Lions a hiding regardless, so I’d play guys like Flip, JL Potgieter, Move Hougaard to 9 (I personally havent seen much to suggest that he’s the next springbok no 9, but I’m open to being convinced). They’ll still have way too much for the Kitties….
21 Apr 2010, 10:47 am
@Dawn:
You dont want to go there… its the local dive in Bothasig…aka The ‘Sig
21 Apr 2010, 10:47 am
@Dawn: OK you meeting up with Tony’s crowd then, they cool, not old men, there are a couple of young drummers as well, Tony is a party animal but i’m not to sure if he’s taken or not, but im sure you’ll find one or 2 guys to feast on =P
21 Apr 2010, 10:48 am
@MacToogie:
The Caledonians.
21 Apr 2010, 10:49 am
@MacToogie:
Cool and always respect all views. Apologies.
21 Apr 2010, 10:50 am
The strangest bit about this article is that it compares Hurdles with established and accomplished internationals i.e Habana and JPP, FFS!!! Fabian Juries had this kid for dinner last year.
Can SArugy do an article on why Fabian has been so unlucky not to have had as much of a chance as the rest of the SA wings, the try he scored against the Bulls last year was just a demo of what he’s capable off, he scored a try like that for the Bulls whilst playing under Rudi Joubert but still never got a look in.
to those that didn’t see the try, go to youtube and search for Fabian Juries, now thats magic!!!
21 Apr 2010, 10:50 am
@Bod:
This is turning into Mission Impossible (Kilt!)
21 Apr 2010, 10:50 am
@stormersboy: Well FH has spent much time at nine over the last 2 seasons but once he gets an extended run he should convince you, the thing about him is relative to his size it takes a ***** load to bring him down which i find very pleasing.
21 Apr 2010, 10:52 am
@Heavens Game: 186 You are not going to get me to bite at that one. My views on the tenuous nature of the current top 4 are well documented.
@grant10: 180 Yes, that does up the intensity of the provincialism up a bit! You enjoy the footie last night? I must say, class as Barca are, I’ve always been a fan of Inter since the days of the all conquering German trio of Jurgen Klinsman, Lother Mattheus and Andreas Bremer played for inter in the early ’90s.
21 Apr 2010, 10:52 am
@Bill Reyts: like i said i’ll respect all vies as long as they don’t come from an aussie perspective.
21 Apr 2010, 10:53 am
@XhosaKid:
AMEN!!!
21 Apr 2010, 10:53 am
@MacToogie: sorry has should be hasn’t
21 Apr 2010, 10:54 am
@stormersboy: 197. Yeah, you are a bit atypical – a sane, decent Stormer supporter on Keo.
21 Apr 2010, 10:55 am
@grant10: 184. Wrong G10, my husband is Greek, so I am more than up to speed
21 Apr 2010, 10:56 am
@Dawn:
Never mind a kilt
You dont want even to go near there in a full suit of body armour AND chastity belt… full stop
21 Apr 2010, 10:56 am
@Heavens Game:
You are a Spear supporter right?
21 Apr 2010, 10:58 am
@RugbyRulz: mmmmmmm Greek, i could do with a Makynos Vima from Babylon right now.
21 Apr 2010, 10:58 am
@MacToogie: MacStooge 198 I will save you the bother of posting the same comment tomorrow.
Feel free never to respond to any of my comments… care factor = Zero
21 Apr 2010, 10:58 am
@Dawn: 195. Pretend its a skirt. That should do it for you. And don’t flap…
21 Apr 2010, 10:59 am
@stormersboy: 197
Barca will take them at home i reckon….last 15 minutes inter were on the ropes….but great game.
21 Apr 2010, 11:00 am
@RugbyRulz: 202
Good people the Greeks….bankrupted there country…but what the hell…..
21 Apr 2010, 11:01 am
@grant10: True, so typical is their attitude too… What the hell
21 Apr 2010, 11:02 am
@grant10:
The chosen one will be too good for Barca. Classical comment of his on how he will now be blamed for the volcano..
How we miss that man…
21 Apr 2010, 11:02 am
@RugbyRulz: ummmmmm, huh?? what did i say wrong now?
21 Apr 2010, 11:02 am
@grant10: 209 Greeks are a bit like Stormer supporters particulalry those from Camps Bay. They all like a bit of Greek, don’t they G10 (wink, wink)
21 Apr 2010, 11:02 am
@RugbyRulz:
Morning RR – Don’t use language here. We might start blogging in Greek.
21 Apr 2010, 11:03 am
@Heavens Game:
?? ??? ??????????, ??? ????, ?????? ?? ?? ??????? ???? ??????? ?????? ? ????? ????? ????!!
21 Apr 2010, 11:03 am
@MacToogie: @212 – Oh so it is not only me! Maybe it is the way we project things.
21 Apr 2010, 11:05 am
@justrugby: ? = Applause? Why thank you Mini-me
21 Apr 2010, 11:06 am
@Heavens Game:
You are a annoying limp **** prat ……. and still no rugby contribution from you since day 1 !!!!!
21 Apr 2010, 11:07 am
@Bill Reyts: No problem, blog in whatever language you are comfortable with.
I only swear a little, I definitely do not punctuate with it.
21 Apr 2010, 11:08 am
@justrugby: Is that so? Rgby does exist outside the Stormers. You do know that, don’t you?
21 Apr 2010, 11:09 am
@RugbyRulz: are you going to tell me what i did to offend you RR?
21 Apr 2010, 11:12 am
@Bod: 211
he will take over from Fergie at man u…
21 Apr 2010, 11:12 am
@grant10: 208 They may well do that, but by 2 goals? I guess they have the team to do it, and the Spanish will be all over them to raise their game. The Noukamp must be one of the most partizan venues to play at, even more than Old Trafford. Will be a good return leg regardless…
Not as bad as loftus though…..
21 Apr 2010, 11:13 am
@Heavens Game: 213
you a closet my man….no doubtwhatsoever.
Bass guitarist for the Village People.
21 Apr 2010, 11:14 am
Dear Ryan
“Wondering why Cheetahs are where they are?, thats should be you next article heading. Here is an example, this was last year September’s article
” Johannesburg. – Fabian Juries, Man of the Match in two of the Free State’s last three Currie Cup matches after being a late inclusion, was again not selected for the side which plays the Boland Cavaliers in Wellington on Saturday.
Juries’ Sevens Springbok teammate Danwel Demas takes over on the wing because of his better kicking proficiency, while two other Sevens Boks, Lionel Mapoe (injured hamstring) and Jongi Nokwe also swap places on the other wing.
In an interesting move, the Cheetahs have selected young Coenie Oosthuizen as tighthead.
Former Springbok great Os du Randt, who looks after the Free State scrum, is confident Oosthuizen is strong and talented enough to play on both sides. He has impressed on the other side of the scrum, but the Cheetahs’ management felt it wasn’t fair on the youngster to blood him at tighthead in the tough Currie Cup competition.
They are now confident he can take the step up.
Springbok No 6 Heinrich Brüssow is back in the side in place of Hendro Scholtz and, in another change, Louis Strydom starts as flyhalf in place of Jacques-Louis Potgieter who has injured his back.
The Free State team for Saturday: Hennie Daniller, Danwel Demas, Corné Uys, Meyer Bosman, Jongi Nokwe, Louis Strydom, Tewis de Bruyn, Ashley Johnson, Frans Viljoen, Heinrich Brüssow, David de Villiers, Nico Breedt (capt.), Coenie Oosthuizen, Richardt Strauss, Wian du Preez. Replacemenmts: WP Nel, Izak van der Westhuizen, Hendro Scholtz, Kabamba Floors, JP Joubert, JW Jonker, Fabian Juries. – Sapa”
21 Apr 2010, 11:14 am
@RugbyRulz:
Tolerance is something few posses! ??? ???? ????? ??? ?? ???
21 Apr 2010, 11:15 am
@Bill Reyts:
Oops it didn’t pick up the Greek? Sorry – I said a good day to you.
21 Apr 2010, 11:15 am
@MacToogie: You have not as yet offended my sensibilities. I referred you to your post #198, whereby you have reiterated your stance of yesterday.
21 Apr 2010, 11:16 am
@Heavens Game:
Yes I know, that’s why if the Sharks had listened to the basic advise and had played Ruan at 9 and JS at 2 or 1 from the first game , you might be real semi final contenders rather that a wish and a prayer contenders.
The fact that stormers fans highlighted this at the very begining shows you how astute our rugby brains are in CT !!!
Must be the Camps Bay boom hey !!!
21 Apr 2010, 11:16 am
@grant10: 223. “My man” is a bit possessive. G10 are you getting excited?
21 Apr 2010, 11:17 am
well kobus kitty thinks “hurdles” look like a girl…hehehe
21 Apr 2010, 11:17 am
This boereseuntjie will never make the Bok team…that’s just the way it is..!
21 Apr 2010, 11:18 am
@RugbyRulz: ahhhhhhh so you are a sheila then……. lol
21 Apr 2010, 11:19 am
@justrugby: 229. Yeah thos damn Sharks coaches should have listened to the completely sane views of some Stormers fans. After all they do follow the most complete, incredible, invincible team in the S14. (Sorry I couldn’t include successful in the hyperbole)
21 Apr 2010, 11:20 am
@justrugby: 229 agreed…it was so simple to point out the obvious and Sharkies just took everything so personally…now Ruan has shown he can be the best 9 in the country…why was everybody so one-eyed..?..except for Stormers supporters pointing out the obvious
21 Apr 2010, 11:22 am
@Storm outta hell:
LOL………we should share the CBB (camps bay boom )
21 Apr 2010, 11:22 am
@Bill Reyts: ??? ???? ????? ??? ?? ??? <<< Kalimera means good day.
@MacToogie: Yes I am Australian
21 Apr 2010, 11:23 am
@Heavens Game:
AHHHHH…..so you do dispaly the ability to learn !!!!!!……..slowly, but you are making progress !!
21 Apr 2010, 11:23 am
@bokbal: @171
I think Keo must now be re-routed via China ?!
I had 1 article stopped 3 x, even tho I ethnically-cleansed that baby like never before.
21 Apr 2010, 11:24 am
@RugbyRulz:
I tried writing it in Greek and Keo picked it up as Hieroglyphics
21 Apr 2010, 11:25 am
plumtree today in the witness says sharks fortunes turnaround came when they settled on new sharks front row.
when i said that all these closets attacked me?
Very funny….they should listen to sage advice…..and it doesent even come at a cost…its free.
Plum…e mail me ,mate….dont listen to the Rangerman, HG,Ratel Brussow ****….
21 Apr 2010, 11:26 am
@justrugby: I’m in da winelands…we can mix in the Robertson Skunk with some CBB and have a blended Boomtime…at Newlands nogal
21 Apr 2010, 11:26 am
@justrugby: 238. Thank you so much. I just so want to be accepted… (sniff, sob, sniff).
Please “Bud”, please…
21 Apr 2010, 11:26 am
@Bill Reyts: My Greek is limited as my husband and his family speak predominantly English. If I can help ask away, I can always get my husband to translate if I get stuck.
21 Apr 2010, 11:28 am
@grant10: 241. The only “sage” you know or give is good ole Camps Bay boom. (wink, wink)
21 Apr 2010, 11:28 am
@Bod: @211
the ‘Special’ One needs to learn some respect, I hope he gets his @@@@@@@rse kicked and that smug arrogance wiped clean off his face.
(think youre right tho)
21 Apr 2010, 11:28 am
@Storm outta hell:
LOL……sounds like a plan…….shoud we invite HG ??
21 Apr 2010, 11:29 am
@RugbyRulz:
I don’t speak Greek! But I do speak Australian
It was so funny listening to an interview once, where the actress said she spoke American.
21 Apr 2010, 11:32 am
@Heavens Game: 243
You are accepted….
with Ranger man…and Ratel Brussow…you make up the 3 stooges….
The most moronic, senseless,rah,rah,pom pom ladies on keo….without a doubt….
Absolute closet loonies masquerading as rugby lovers….single cell organisms have more brains and knowledge.
wallys of note i tell you.
21 Apr 2010, 11:35 am
@justrugby: Bru…HG is permanently stoned with his head so far in the clouds he can’t see the obvious problems with his team that the Stormers fans so politely try and point out.
If someone told me Ricky is kak,I would not argue,just say he has his part to play
21 Apr 2010, 11:35 am
@Bill Reyts: Time to go folks,
kalinikta (means goodnight).
21 Apr 2010, 11:37 am
@Storm outta hell: Its the Camps Bay boom. I am trying to see from some Stormer supporters perspective. Help me, PLEEEEEASE
21 Apr 2010, 11:38 am
@RugbyRulz: Speak again.
21 Apr 2010, 11:41 am
@grant10: @249
you still got some way to reaching Skoppie-levels there, G10.
21 Apr 2010, 11:44 am
@Black Panther: lol
Tongue in cheek….
there is only 1 Skop!!!!
21 Apr 2010, 11:47 am
It would be nice if there was 0 skop’s
21 Apr 2010, 11:50 am
@grant10: 255,
Thank the Almighty.
21 Apr 2010, 11:53 am
@Mike H: skops a legend ….@cane: LOL
21 Apr 2010, 11:57 am
yes yes grantie.
keep telling yourself that i am a loony as long as it takes buddy.
you have repeated the same line on every thread for about 8 months and i am loony?
now its right wing, white wing and vryheidsfront?
what next, JS is kak?
no man, surely not?
and the nerve of you, asking an oke you have just insulted( gunther) to get you rugby tickets? what a weasel.
but i see he is now off your list. will that truce last until you have tickets in your hand or until the bulls beat the stormers at newlands?
21 Apr 2010, 11:58 am
@Heavens Game: 252 It’s simple..don’t change what ain’t broke…
players are professionals and should be treated as such…when a top international player has cemented his place in a team you don’t change his position however valid the perceived reasons may seem ie. to make room for another player
21 Apr 2010, 11:58 am
skopskiet is actually an ok guy who talks **** all the time.
like many of us here.
21 Apr 2010, 11:59 am
@rangerman: 259
I thought you were at band practice with HG?????
Slacker ….
Ja….i want my bulls tickets…then Gunther back on the moron list…although you remain the undispited flyweight champion of the moron club.
21 Apr 2010, 12:00 pm
Let me guess, Tacitus will be on here discussing 100m times or has allready at some point….
21 Apr 2010, 12:02 pm
@grant10: haha, and you remain the undisputed emotional queen of the rah rah pom pom luke fanclub.
but who cares right?
you have your opinion, plum and pdv are probably emailing you right now to get clarity as we speak.
they didnt understand the first 3000 times you posted the same comments here
21 Apr 2010, 12:04 pm
@rangerman: Yah…he does have some strange notions like, “maak die Stormers almal bokke”
21 Apr 2010, 12:06 pm
@ImAStronter: Tacticus loves 100m times as much as G10 loves the S3 flury.
21 Apr 2010, 12:07 pm
@grant10:
@rangerman:
Dammit.
I’m gonna get the twose of youse together one day.
I swear.
21 Apr 2010, 12:07 pm
@rangerman: 264
Plum has taken heed….
just hope PDV reads this stuff….
Need to mail him….just in case….
21 Apr 2010, 12:07 pm
@Storm outta hell:
your side are playing awesome rugga man!
sheesh, i watched them tear the chiefs a new one and i was so chuffed.
congrats man.
21 Apr 2010, 12:10 pm
@grant10: “plum has taken heed”
*** me you are an arrogant little man eh?
you also said schalk and jannie dup were kak.
in fact you wanted schalk to fark off from the stormers.
vindicated?
21 Apr 2010, 12:10 pm
Boks play Smit at 3 i honestly will need a life support system….
No matter what happens Dawn dont allow the blonde to turn the machine off unless i am well and truly clinically in my moer in!
She may be after the insurance!
21 Apr 2010, 12:12 pm
@Dawn:
hi Dawnie.
ag, i am just joshing grant.
he isnt a repetitive, boring, arrogant, know it all, girly luke cheerleader at all!
21 Apr 2010, 12:13 pm
@grant10: If PDV does select JS at 3 against France, please can we have a webcam broadcast of you watching the game at Newlands. It could be up there on youtube’s greatest.
21 Apr 2010, 12:14 pm
Ryan
Do you miss those days when the Bok team was all white AND afrikaans? What a pathetic article and headline. Mediocrity seems to be thriving in the old Republic……
21 Apr 2010, 12:14 pm
@rangerman: 270
Schalk has convinced me he is back in the mix through performance after performance.
Smit ….with every performance….convinces me he is headed for the retirement village….thats the difference.
Jannie Dup is a 1000 times better 3 than smit….and it shows….
guthro has come back powerfully…on the field…
WP Nel has been poor….on the field.
Smit has been nowhere….on the field.But at 1 at least he doesent turbo reverse….thank the angels plum saw the light.
21 Apr 2010, 12:15 pm
@grant10: well you better get your order in fast grantie because there will be very few life support systems available during the swc.
personally i think you should grow your hair, fingernails and toenails and wander the cape mountains, maybe find a cave and definately dont wash for at least 6 months.
pronounce loudly on front row issues to every poor hiker and tourist and maybe a few drugged up itinerants will start worshipping at your “turbo revese shrine”.
i am sure even balie and os will end up coming to see you.
even if it is only to take photos whilst they are on holiday with the kids.
21 Apr 2010, 12:15 pm
@Oubaas2009: 273
I will be the oke on the life support system at Groote Schuur…will miss the game…
21 Apr 2010, 12:17 pm
@rangerman: 276
LOL
that was moer of a funny! I spilt my tea you twit!
21 Apr 2010, 12:20 pm
@grant10: haha, how could i forget oh hermit of the hills.
last year wp nel was the greatest LH in the world after a few scrums against tired boks.
guthro was kak after being destroyed on eoyt and so was jannie (pap slap snoek was the term you used).
your hypocrisy and idiocy knows no bounds but its ok, we know for you its an emotional argument and there is no point discussing things on a logical basis with an emotional person.
keep banging your drum tonto. you may convince a few people but you will always be viewed as a kukpraater by true rugby minds.
21 Apr 2010, 12:21 pm
@grant10:
hope it burnt the bug out of yer ***.
21 Apr 2010, 12:22 pm
@rangerman: 279
True rugby minds that want smit at 3??
Fark me your delusion has no bounds….
21 Apr 2010, 12:22 pm
@Dawn: well they fight like husband and wife, so its a match
21 Apr 2010, 12:26 pm
@poppa69:
more like cousins thank you poppa.
anyways, i have to go and do some work.
its been fun.
cheers Dawnie, poppa and Hermit(crab)man.
have a cracker!
21 Apr 2010, 12:29 pm
@poppa69:
I have’nt had time to check…
Where are we on superBru ?
21 Apr 2010, 12:32 pm
@rangerman: cheers ranger
@Blouste: long time no see, coincided with the Bulls losing
Im in 27th, should have got the GS point but didnt back the Stormers, so kicking myself a little…
21 Apr 2010, 12:35 pm
@poppa69:
Yes, I also lost it on the Stormers and Bulls games.
Whats your take on the games this weekend ?
21 Apr 2010, 12:41 pm
@Blouste: I tipped the reds, tipped the canes too..
chiefs
REDS
Saders
canes
Bulls
brumbies
BLUES
21 Apr 2010, 12:46 pm
Ranger
Bollocks you mean grantie was only being “nice” to me in the hope of rugby tickets?
I am undone …. Mind you at least I can count on the ever loyal jr to like me for who I am..
Who knew?
Next you will be telling me dawn is a lesbetian…..
21 Apr 2010, 12:52 pm
@poppa69:
Chiefs (although I think Cheetahs might just suprize)
Reds (wildcard)
Crusaders
Canes
Tahs
Bulls
Blues
Have’nt submitted yet though…
Have to throw some wildcards if we hope to get somewhere…
21 Apr 2010, 12:52 pm
@gunther: LOL
any more sarcasm and you back in the moron club…..moron!
21 Apr 2010, 12:53 pm
@grant10: 290. What, are you a mor(m)on too.
21 Apr 2010, 12:56 pm
Dont know many mormons….must be damn brave chaps though….no way i am putting up with more than 1 wife…
21 Apr 2010, 12:57 pm
suprize = surprize..
21 Apr 2010, 12:58 pm
@grant10: yeah, they brave enough to set up their own safe, sanitised website RT (Rugby Tabernacle)
21 Apr 2010, 13:00 pm
@Blouste: suprize = surprize = surprise
like I said, if Id have tipped the Stormers I would only be 4 points off the lead… but agree, have to throw in one or two wildcards..
will have to go the lions then
21 Apr 2010, 13:03 pm
Just a quick pre-luinch comment on this silly article.
“Troubles of the white wing” pale into total insignificance when measured against trouble of the right wing.
Much ado about nothing, fit for the trash can like those mormon-type plastic articles.
Oh! and don’t even begin to worry about the left-wing. Bryan Habana is there.
21 Apr 2010, 13:07 pm
@Mike H: @256
Skop for Prez !
21 Apr 2010, 13:07 pm
@poppa69:
He he he yes, so focussed on “r”…sorry
The Lions…Yes go with them, it will extend my points difference with you defenitily !!!
Just hope you Blues turn up, you blow hot and cold way to much !!!
21 Apr 2010, 13:10 pm
@Blouste: hehe all good…
the lions huh, and if they won youd be livid
dont tip the blues mate, go with the sharks.. otherwise I will be forced not to tell you who Im tipping for the remaining rounds, sort of like a secret ballot…
Ive spoken to jannie, hes going to use his fancy footwork to stop Toeava…
21 Apr 2010, 13:12 pm
@elliott2: 296. Flok ET, WTF is wrong with you. lol. For once I agree with you.
21 Apr 2010, 13:15 pm
@poppa69:
See that Ranger is benched !!!
What’s up with that ?
21 Apr 2010, 13:19 pm
Well i don’t know why Van Den Heever should be included in the Bok Squad of 30!! I thought PDV is trying to build a sqaud of 30 players?
Typical SA mentallity, everytime there is a new promising player everyone goes on about who he will replace! Whatever happened of bringing in the new players like Van Den Heever into the Bok setup as backups to the top players!!
Plus Wales and the 2 Italian test are ideal to blood some new talent etc.
However his biggest problem/threat is Nokwe. Nokwe lookeds to be next inline after Habana/JPP & Ndingane!
21 Apr 2010, 13:20 pm
@Blouste: your joking… I see Pat buys into the whole Luke McAllister sham… now Im not sure who to tip, much prefer the Stanley/Ranger combo… as I said on the Blues thread, think Lam is guilty of playing “mates” within the team environment…
not good, probably the form centre of the comp and hes not starting in such a crucial match?
and so the life of a blue’s supporter takes another farkin 270 degree turn..
21 Apr 2010, 13:23 pm
@poppa69:
Well I saw it on stuff dot nz if memory serves…
Anyway, they shared you’re sentiment regarding Ranger being the form centre of the tournie, so hell I don’t know either..
Thought you might have some answers
21 Apr 2010, 13:27 pm
Heini Adams will make a rare start when the Vodacom Bulls take on the Lions at Loftus Versfeld on Saturday. It wil be his first start in the competition this year.
Adams replaces Fourie du Preez, who is rested and will make a contribution from the bench if needed.
Jaco Pretorius is also back to combine with Wynand Olivier in the midfield. He replaces Stephan Dippenaar, who played against the Reds.
The team is: Zane Kirchner, Gerhard van den Heever, Jaco Pretorius, Wynand Olivier, Francois Hougaard, Morné Steyn, Heini Adams, Pierre Spies, Dewald Potgieter, Derick Kuün, Victor Matfield (c), Danie Rossouw, Werner Kruger, Gary Botha, Gurthrö Steenkamp. Replacements: Bandise Maku, Bees Roux, Flip vd Merwe, Deon Stegmann, Fourie du Preez, Jacques-Louis Potgieter, Pedrie Wannenburg
21 Apr 2010, 13:28 pm
@Blouste: he was on the bench for the force game, apparently because of his “defence”…
got a coin, Blues heads, Sharks tails
or reverse
may be the only way to go..
still say you should tip the sharks mate
21 Apr 2010, 13:31 pm
@poppa69:
Might be what I’ve read then.
They should start him no doubt !!!
Why? You wanna catch up
21 Apr 2010, 14:30 pm
“Not since Pieter Russouw has a coach routinely penned in a white player’s name.” Could that possibly be because the best players haven’t been white? You people accuse Malema of turning everything into a race issue then come up with this tripe.
21 Apr 2010, 14:32 pm
Just thought i would put my selectors cap on for once and pick my teams for the3N this year as well as the RWC next year,
3N 2010
15 – Kirschner/Lambie
14 – JPP/Mapoe
13 – Fourie/Newman
12 – Wynand/De Jongh
11 – Habana/Nokwe
10 – Steyn/Grant
9 – FdP/Pienaar
8 – Spies/Vermeulen
7 – Smith/Louw
6 – Burger/Stegman
5 – Matfield/Bekker
4 – Botha/Russouw
3 – Harris/WP
2 – Smit/Botha
1 – Steenkamp/Beast
RWC 2011
15 – Frans/Kirschner (Lambie)
14 – JPP/Mapoe
13 – Fourie/De Jongh
12 – JDV/Wynand
11 – Habana/Nokwe
10 – Steyn/Grant
9 – FdP/Pienaar
8 – Spies/Vermeulen
7 – Smith/Louw
6 – Burger/Brussouw
5 – Matfield/Bekker
4 – Botha/Russouw
3 – CJ/Harris
2 – Smit/Botha
1 – BJ/Steenkamp
21 Apr 2010, 14:35 pm
@MacToogie:
Aplon or Pietersen in place of Kirschner for sure.
21 Apr 2010, 14:38 pm
@Bill Reyts: Nah its cool thanks, PDivvy already gave the nod for my 2 lists =P
21 Apr 2010, 14:38 pm
@Bill Reyts: But i’ll consider putting in a good word for Joe, will he be ready for 3N?
21 Apr 2010, 14:40 pm
How long is Mapoe out for? I thought it was four months from the end of March.
It would be good to get Schalk Brits back, he’s light years ahead of any other SA hooker right now. If this is out of the question, Strauss is still better than the rabble we currently have.
Full back an inside centre however are the biggest problems. I would probably go with Hennie Daniller at FB. At least he can kick the ball.
It’s going to be a tough 3N for us although at least the ABs will be rubbish. I fully expect the Aussies to win this year and then go on to win the World Cup.
21 Apr 2010, 14:40 pm
@MacToogie:
I hear he has started training – heard not hearsay.
21 Apr 2010, 14:42 pm
@Soda: Are you an aussie?
21 Apr 2010, 14:43 pm
@Bill Reyts: Without real world class palyers in key positions there is no hope of beating two of top three teams in the world. Kirchener and Aplon are nowhere near world class full backs. Sure, Aplon can be exciting in loose play and best suited to the non existent defence in S14 but in a test match? It would be embarrassing to watch.
21 Apr 2010, 14:43 pm
@Bill Reyts: ok, thats good, then they can get aplon back on the bench where he belongs
21 Apr 2010, 14:46 pm
@MacToogie: can you read? the reason i ask is in both posts i’ve used ‘we’ and ‘us’ when referring to the Boks. besides, do you really think there are any aussies who actually care to read your fantasy selections?
21 Apr 2010, 14:47 pm
Hey Mac
I must say i enjoy your 2 teams that you laid out.
I feel for Pdivvy. The oke is gonna have a hard time picking a team because the sleeping giant that is WP Rugby has awakened and if he pisses them of their is gonna be hell to pay.
21 Apr 2010, 14:49 pm
@Soda:
Key being:
15, 14, 13, 12, 11, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 = 22, 21, 20, 19, 18, 17, 16.
21 Apr 2010, 14:51 pm
@Soda: “It’s going to be a tough 3N for us although at least the ABs will be rubbish”
love it when you guys write us off, please continue doing so…
21 Apr 2010, 14:52 pm
@Bill Reyts: no. key being key positions based on the gameplan and based on the opposition. you are unlikely to have the world’s number one player in every position but if you had to choose half the team where you could have the best player in the world, i’m sure you would which they were.
21 Apr 2010, 14:54 pm
@ryan vrede: did you adapt this headline from Die Burger after ET’s demise: ‘troubles of the white right wing’?
21 Apr 2010, 14:55 pm
@Soda:
Yeah I know what you mean Soda. I agree with you. I think Oz will be one of the favourites come 2011.
21 Apr 2010, 14:55 pm
Poppa why was Ranger dropped against the force?
21 Apr 2010, 14:56 pm
@Soda: No need to get snotty dude, it was just a question, some of your answers were coming across like a thick headed aussie’s would, Daniller has nothing on any other full back at the moment, Pieterson is miles ahead of him, Strauss? he might be ok this season but will never get noticed in that orange mess, Tiaan is playing awsome rugby, so is GBotha, and you want to bring back Brits? Brits is old news and would never fit into the Bok combinations he doesnt know if he’s a hooker or loosie and imo he’s **** at both, leave him at the Sarries…. or is that Saffies =P.
21 Apr 2010, 14:56 pm
@poppa69: ok then. how do feel about it when we tell you that you won’t win the world cup and every four years we’re right?
21 Apr 2010, 14:57 pm
@Falken: for his “defence” apparently… baffling to say the least…
21 Apr 2010, 14:58 pm
@MacToogie: sorry. just that i’ve been watching some of the ‘saffies’ matches and he’s been awesome in attack and defense. then again, it is the english game to involve the hooker as a loosie which is why Gary did well and players like lee mears excel. i could agree on Tiaan though.
21 Apr 2010, 14:59 pm
@Falken: he’s a good player. there are a lot of very good NZ players out there. problem is, as good as henry and co are, it’s gotten a bit stale fo the ABs.
21 Apr 2010, 15:00 pm
@poppa69: Come now Poppa, we all know the only 2 things NZ had going for them the last 2 years were McCaw and Carter, and this year they are nowhere near what they were back then, so honestly tell me what else have you got that’s different….. cos it aint the coaching staff.
21 Apr 2010, 15:01 pm
speaking about wings (black and white ones if that’s ok with you Ryan), Mjekuvu looks like the real deal. needs to get out of the lions though.
21 Apr 2010, 15:02 pm
@Soda: the reason why i went Both and not Tiaan was the experience factor, he’s been 2 a world cup and many domestic finals, but he would still be 2nd in line to Captain Fantastic
21 Apr 2010, 15:03 pm
@poppa69: I was shocked when i saw it! The man or should i say beast has destroyed his opponents the last few weeks at 13. He must surely play against the sharks. With Grandpa Terreblanche ahead of him will make joke of them.
21 Apr 2010, 15:03 pm
@Soda: it doesnt bother me, thats the beauty of a knock out tournament..
how does it feel knowing you guys have lost to Scotland (4 times) and Ireland? two countries who have never ever beaten us…
how does it feel knowing it took you guys 10, thats right 10 years to win a game on NZ soil, now that youve won 2, have you used it up for the next ten years?
21 Apr 2010, 15:04 pm
@MacToogie: also, i say we’re in for a tough ride in the bizarre sense that i hope i found out i was wrong.
we really need de villiers and steyn back as well as steyn’s kicking form!
21 Apr 2010, 15:04 pm
@Soda: he looks good, got a good (If not weird) step, but he never looks for support and is very clumsy on defense, like GVDH he will be better come RWC 2015
21 Apr 2010, 15:05 pm
@MacToogie: a Scotsman talking about rugby, specifically NZ rugby… bwahahaha 0-25 says a lot mctugger
21 Apr 2010, 15:06 pm
@poppa69: ah, so actually you DON’T like to be told you’re rubbish. but to answer your question: i don’t really know, i mostly think about having a 50% win rate in the world cup and over half a century of never having lost a test series.
21 Apr 2010, 15:07 pm
@Soda: Mjekevu looks good but my problem with him is the poor oke looks scared to death.
21 Apr 2010, 15:08 pm
@poppa69: you don’t want to go there son, how does it feel to only have won the RWC once??? 75 years ago when SA weren’t there to knock you out? hmmmmmmm, how did it feel when Gregan said those epic words “FOR MORE YEARS BOYS”????? hmmmmm? and i can tell you that NZ will not win next year either……. thats without a doubt, my money would be split on France, Aus and Boks thank you very much.
21 Apr 2010, 15:09 pm
@poppa69: to be honest, the past doesn’t matter. what i’m really interested in is how many future NZ rugby players you’ll produce in the long white cloud of methamphetamine.
21 Apr 2010, 15:09 pm
“This has become the domain of the dark-skinned player,…”
And why is that? Because some provincial and national coaches thought that hiding the “dark-skinned player” out there, and conservative ten men rugby, the “dark skinned player” won’t be able to stuff up.
Just a pity people like Chester, Breyten and Habana did not allow them to be used for window dressing and went about revolutionising wing play in SA. No more just waiting on the wing for the ball to come to you but they went about looking for work on other parts of the field. Something this light skinned player, mentioned in this article, still needs to learned. Don’t mention that set move where Steyn give a short inside pass to him from first phase ball in the opposition 22.
This kind of heading is plain kak.
John Daniels holds the record for the most CC tries in the history of the competition, 80 odd. He consistently was one of the top try scorers season after season in his playing days. Yet not once was his name mentioned as a possible Bok. The reason for that was that everybody knew that he had speed to burn and that he was a great finisher. Apart from that, not much else. Of course, there was already another “dark skinned player” at wing. The requirement of one “dark skinned player” in the Bok team was fulfilled leaving a place for Slaptjips on the other wing. This kid, at this stage of his career, is exactly the same as Daniels was back then. Why is he being discussed as a possible Bok player and then to insinuate that he will be kept out of the team because of his colour?
Why don’t you guys investigate how many “dark-skinned” forward players got lost in the system and why. One of the reasons according to me is because coaches were/are not willing to give them a chance. Wayne van Heerden were regarded by most on this blog as one of the stand out players in the Cheetah pack at lock last year. Where is he now? Coaches back then, and still even now, were only willing to give a “dark-skinned” player a chance if he was a back line player, and then only after they moved him to wing. Chester and Habana were both centres before they were moved to wing, Breyten was a flyhalf/full back before he was moved to wing.
So if the wing position has become the domain of the “dark-skinned” player and a light-skinned player find it hard to crack a place in the Bok team because of it, it is because coaches in this country have created the situation.
21 Apr 2010, 15:10 pm
@poppa69: yeah im a born and raised saffa dude, wakey wakey.
21 Apr 2010, 15:11 pm
@poppa69: i liken NZ in the RWC to when Rossi said to Gibernau ‘you’ll never win another race’. the more you lose the harder it gets until it’s an impossibility.
21 Apr 2010, 15:12 pm
@Soda : you never lost a test series because all your refs used to speak in Afrikaans when officiating a test…
but please, continue to perpetuate the Arrogant Saffa stereotype, youre doing a fantastic job of it…
21 Apr 2010, 15:14 pm
@nama1: Ryan’s angered a lot of us with this drivel. i think most of us agree that none of the wings we’ve had have been there for anything other than merit. it’s a headline designed to incite and generate views. nothing more.
21 Apr 2010, 15:14 pm
Hurdles has shown way more in his short career than DeJong.
way,way more.
(and yes,i know the one is a winger and the other a poof)
21 Apr 2010, 15:16 pm
@Soda: agreed
21 Apr 2010, 15:16 pm
@poppa69: you forget that before we were yanked out of world rugby SA were the dominant force in the world son, now that we are back we are slowly but surely getting back to where we belong, and i can see how the little silver furn is starting to wilt with every year of our resurgence as a rugby nation.
21 Apr 2010, 15:17 pm
@poppa69: i think you’ll find that we never lost a test series at home OR abroad in 53 years. but maybe the foreign refs learnt afrikaans just to irritate their home teams? not sure. i do know that in the days when local refs handled the game, there was bias regardless of what language they spoke. fact is, home and away we were undefeated.
21 Apr 2010, 15:18 pm
@Soda: hahah throwing stones when we know Saffa players like Spies are guaranteed to be on the juice, hence his pulmonary embolism.. at such a young age.. tsk tsk
how many others are on the juice???? no wonder the sudden rise in SA rugby
also, how many foreigners are you guys going to murder during this years soccer world cup??
21 Apr 2010, 15:18 pm
@poppa69: Oh yes and the french team lost in the RWC against NZ because of an english speaking ref…….. oh no wait they didn’t. stupid excuse my boy, the rules of the game dont change from one language to another.
21 Apr 2010, 15:19 pm
@poppa69: PS, how many grand slams have you got?
21 Apr 2010, 15:19 pm
@MacToogie: Hey MacDoogle…you weren’t that chop on Superbru with a kilt in his profile pic going around with this ‘Ochey….Ochey…’ all the time ?
He was also a Flou Nulle supporter.
The hookers chosen for the Boks will be Bismark and the Cheetahs Strauss. Sub national rugby heroes Tiaan and Gary wont even come into the picture.
21 Apr 2010, 15:21 pm
@Soda: @MacToogie: you havent answered my question, how many visitors to your shores this year will never return home? how many will be murdered?
21 Apr 2010, 15:22 pm
@poppa69: you see, you have no come back so you have to move to other chirps to try and get to us, you know that NZ wont win the RWC next year, you guys are kakking yourselves and it just shows by your comments.
21 Apr 2010, 15:23 pm
@MacToogie: I know of teams that have lost tournament finals being refereed by alcoholics – that were committed to rehab a couple of weeks after the game.
I reckon they had a couple of Klippies and Cola at half time.
21 Apr 2010, 15:24 pm
@poppa69: thats not the topic of discussion sunshine, why the switch off topic? cant handle the truth son?
21 Apr 2010, 15:24 pm
@MacToogie: I dont know that at all, the tournament hasnt even started… like I said before, continue to write us off…
so tell me, how many people will be murdered in SA this year??
21 Apr 2010, 15:25 pm
I dont think it is such a bad heading.
Because we all know that the quota system exist in our rugby and both our wings are black. But the trouble is not that they are black its because they are the best in their position in the country and they fill a quota slot.
21 Apr 2010, 15:25 pm
@poppa69: i’m not talking about steroids dude. come on, the same percentage of rugby players in every country are on them (except maybe england at the moment).
mostly we don’t murder foreigners, we murder each other. New Zealanders on the other hand murder themselves with the highest suicide rate amongst the youth and overall per capita in the world. in fact, if you take suicide into account as a crime (which it is in NZ) then NZ has the highest per capita crime rate in the world. bet you didn’t know that.
21 Apr 2010, 15:26 pm
@MacToogie: I can handle the truth, but how can there be a truth for an event that hasnt occurred yet…
do you see the flaw in your very limited logic?
or do you still prefer to be a little man and have to measure your tiny appendage to prove yourself somehow better?
21 Apr 2010, 15:26 pm
@poppa69: Atleast 22 that being the All Black squad when they play the Boks!
21 Apr 2010, 15:27 pm
@Soda: you seem to know an awful lot about a country you so obviously hate so much, why is that?
21 Apr 2010, 15:27 pm
@poppa69: the point is, you have a lost generation to deal with (lost and dying). is NZ really that bad a place that most of the kids are turning to drugs or suicide? i’m confused because it looked kind of nice in that lord of the rings movie. especially the place where the elves lived – the mountainy bit with the stream.
21 Apr 2010, 15:28 pm
@poppa69: the tournament hasn’t started yet so how do i know how well we will do this time around.
21 Apr 2010, 15:30 pm
@Soda: so tell me, the slums in soweto, how about those lost generations, what have you done to rectify those??
oh I see, criticising others while not tending to your own backyard speaks immeasurable volumes..
21 Apr 2010, 15:31 pm
@poppa69: now you see, they way you go about your comments just shows you have nothing to say and that you are in fact scared because you know that there will be mass suicide in NZ when the AB’s lose to france yet again in a RWC
21 Apr 2010, 15:31 pm
@poppa69: I passed Biometrics with honours at Varsity. So, I did a bit of a calculation.
Using available statistics provided by our government (which no doubt reflect about 50% of the reality) – I worked out that from the figure initially bantered around of 1.2 million tourists that the world cup might attract and taking into consideration the duration of their stay that up to 6000 tourists will experience violent crime during their time in South Africa.
Now that it looks like we will be lucky to have half that figure, it looks like only 3000 will be affected by violent crime.
It wasnt a difficult calculation to make. And if FIFA think that somehow things will change in SA just because its world cup time – they are horribly mistaken. In fact, I think its more like the spider saying to the fly – come into my web….
And ummm…our criminals dont care if 100 Billion was spent on security. And they are pretty ruthless…raping a paramedic while they are helping on the scene of a serious accident….thats pretty ruthless..
21 Apr 2010, 15:32 pm
@MacToogie: @Soda: had your fun boys, had your little stir?
feel better about ourselves now huh? feel like real men for a change?
21 Apr 2010, 15:33 pm
@poppa69: yeah, that has nothing to do with rugby, HAHAHAHAHA what a git trying to divert attention away from how bad NZ are at the moment.
21 Apr 2010, 15:35 pm
@MacToogie: To hell with that idea….next year, the All Blacks lose to South Africa…in the final.
The greatest reward available in international rugby….the sweetest, sweetest most awesome, and worthy of worship will be the beating of the Kiwis in the rugby world cup final – in front of their own fans.
So – no, France must please not knock them out again.
21 Apr 2010, 15:35 pm
@poppa69: i don’t deny that (although mostly the slums are not in the townships but part of informal squatter camps). in fact a lot has been down to bring in low cost housing for the established townships. however, i digress. the point being made was how much of the population to play rugby would be left. south africa has 48 million people so ensuring the next generation of players isn’t really a problem, even though it is only played and supported by a minority of the country.
21 Apr 2010, 15:36 pm
@poppa69: my enourmous **** makes me feel like a real man POPPA, not posts on a silly forum.
21 Apr 2010, 15:36 pm
sheesh guys?
suicide? murder? rape? lost generation?
i think it would be suicide for the blues to try and murder the sharks at kings park this weekend. just because we have a lost generation (frans steyn etc) doesnt mean they can just pitch up here and…uh……rape us?
no, rape just isnt a good word in a rugby discussion.
now ****** keep it clean you tossers.
21 Apr 2010, 15:38 pm
@poppa69: run little kiwi, run, zee French arrrge cumiiiiing
21 Apr 2010, 15:39 pm
@rangerman: point taken, i take it all back. except the enormous **** bit.
21 Apr 2010, 15:40 pm
@Soda: You are so wrong though. Did you watch Dale College take on Hilton (I think it was) on FNB Classic clashes.
Mostly black players – and pretty damn good as well.
The sooner South Africa can incorporate its black population in rugby, the sooner we can reap the rewards of their natural athletic prowess.
Have a look at the Sharks academy – 90% black. Big, powerful looking black guys. I thought they were all forwards, but not….half of them are backline players that will have the little guys whimpering and running away like little girls.
21 Apr 2010, 15:40 pm
@MacToogie: yep, thats why there is a kiwi team at the top of the log… bwahahahaaha
48 million people and you are behind on the head to head count 42-33 to a country with only 4 million people..
lets not get into actual registered playing numbers though huh, even more embarassing for you guys huh?
21 Apr 2010, 15:40 pm
@Soda: 347
Good afternoon.
Only now had time to get my daily dose of Keo and then were confronted by this tripe. Did not read the bloggers’ responses before I posted. Was just too pissed off.
Agree with you, they’re only looking for hits so I’ll leave it there.
@Falken: 361
If they are the best, than they can’t be quotas because by definition a quota is “an INFERIOR black/coloured player who gets selected ahead of a BETTER white player because of his skin colour”.
By your own admission, JPP and HABANA are the best wings and therefore not inferior to any white player out there.
Ag wat, just leave it.
21 Apr 2010, 15:42 pm
@Dusky: You cant play them in the final if they don’t have the balls to make it there, and thats the problem they don’t have the gnads to do it.
21 Apr 2010, 15:44 pm
@Dusky: i’m all for it mate. really, i don’t care if we have purple people with pink spots playing for us as long as they’re good. the sad reality is that even though the percentage of the team might become more black, it’s still a very small minority of black people that are interested in rugby. i do of course hope that changes.
21 Apr 2010, 15:45 pm
@poppa69: seriously dude, how big is YOUR ****? mine is really huge. REALLY huge. send me your email address and i’ll ping you a pic.
21 Apr 2010, 15:46 pm
@nama1: We haven’t had a black or coloured Springbok player in a couple of years that wasn’t there based on merit.
Van den Heever is an average player – right now. He may develop, but he doesn’t really deserve the hype he is getting.
Against the Blues the guy couldn’t tackle a blanket soaked in super glue if it was fired at him from a canon. And the same guys that are yanking his string will tell you Adi Jacobs cant tackle. Horribly biased…
Lwazi Mvovo, both Ndunganes and Mapoe are all black players that are better then ou Gerhardtjie…
21 Apr 2010, 15:46 pm
@poppa69: playijg numbers mean nothing without the silverware, as much as you NZlander’s say the world cup doesnt matter, each one of you would give your left eye to have that in your trophy case.
come talk to us again in 6 weeks when the S14 is over, SA have 2 teams in the top 4 son, and then the saders still have to come here and play our top 3 SA sides, come back then my boy
21 Apr 2010, 15:47 pm
@MacToogie: No – we must cheer them on…they must make the final…against us. Flip, it will be the most beautiful Springbok victory ever…
To beat the All Blacks in a world cup final in New Zealand….nothing will ever beat that.
21 Apr 2010, 15:48 pm
@Soda: whoah, this just got all kinds of weird. didnt know this was a CT thread….., =P
21 Apr 2010, 15:49 pm
@Dusky: we wont meet in the final, we will be on the same side of the draw… unless we lose to France in the POOL stages, in which event you guys will face France…
21 Apr 2010, 15:49 pm
hahahaha troubles of a white wing. Thats some funny stuff right there in the headline not that I entirely disagree with some of the content.
21 Apr 2010, 15:49 pm
@nama1: That surely is not the definition of a quota player nor is it that of the quota system in a totality.
21 Apr 2010, 15:49 pm
@Dusky: knowing the hurt they would feel and actually having some very good kiwi friends (i actually do like NZ’ers a lot) i actually wouldn’t want this. let the frogs finish them off first and get it over and done with.
21 Apr 2010, 15:50 pm
@Eminem: are you the real Eminem? can you give us a quick rap about rugby and pretending to be black?
21 Apr 2010, 15:51 pm
@poppa69: Dammit !
21 Apr 2010, 15:52 pm
@MacToogie: @386 silverware huh?
NZ
10 Super titles
9 3Ns titles
1 WC
SA
2 Super Titiles
2 or 3 3Ns
2 WCs
so not sure what your point is…
and dont worry, I will be here at the end of the super 14, will you? considering the stormers have a really hard road in, and the bulls have been shown to have glaring weaknesses, its not all as rosy as youd like to believe…
21 Apr 2010, 15:52 pm
@Eminem: Will the real slim shady please stand up…please stand up…
21 Apr 2010, 15:53 pm
@poppa69: hahahahahaha Viv le France
21 Apr 2010, 15:53 pm
Soda..
you guys talk about the frogs beating us in next years world cup, no probs..it will be in the pool stages
WE ARE IN THE SAME POOL AS FRANCE..
do you guys not understand this???
21 Apr 2010, 15:54 pm
@MacToogie: true, when was the last time you guys beat France?
21 Apr 2010, 15:55 pm
@poppa69: But ummmm….one piece of silverware that is more important than all those….is missing for 20 years ?
Sorry – I am not a Kiwi hater…I thought I should just mention it.
21 Apr 2010, 15:56 pm
@Soda: Pretending to be black ? :/
But seriously check this out you wont be dissapointed
ttp://www.thekoalition.com/listendownload-b-o-b-airplanes-pt-2-feat-eminem-and-hayley-williams/
21 Apr 2010, 15:56 pm
@Dusky: but still, you guys only have one more then us, not a big difference…
21 Apr 2010, 15:57 pm
^h
21 Apr 2010, 15:57 pm
@poppa69: the question is, when last did NZ beat the Boks HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA WHITE WASH comes to mind
21 Apr 2010, 15:58 pm
@poppa69: Lucky for you guys actually to have France in your pool. The All Blacks could make it all the way to the semi-finals this time.
21 Apr 2010, 15:58 pm
McTugger – when was the last time you guys beat France?
21 Apr 2010, 15:59 pm
I want feedback about my new track chaps
21 Apr 2010, 15:59 pm
@MacToogie: when was the last time you guys nilled the ABs at home?
I know we did it to you in 08, was it 19-0…I think so
bwahahahaha and wasnt that the World Champion team? getting pantsed? at home?
bwahahahahaahahahahahaahahahahahahaha
21 Apr 2010, 16:00 pm
@poppa69: When did you guys win the world cup ? 1987 ?
So, its more than 20 years. Its 23 years already….going on 24 for the world cup next year.
Thats about as long as the period in between Cheetah Currie Cup trophies.
21 Apr 2010, 16:01 pm
@poppa69: you see there you go off topic again. im trying to find the stats of when last but its taking a while, why dont you just tell me when?
21 Apr 2010, 16:02 pm
@Dusky: That does NOT count. The strongest team in the world at the time wasnt present. NZ have yet to win a world cup.
21 Apr 2010, 16:03 pm
Sigh, nothing like an article about a wing to bring out the Xenephobia.
21 Apr 2010, 16:03 pm
49-0 Aussie
53-3 England WTF!!!
be proud..
21 Apr 2010, 16:03 pm
@Dusky: you mean sharks and CC trophies =P
21 Apr 2010, 16:04 pm
@poppa69: @ 398
yes we understand this bud…
what you’re not grasping is…
we were in the same pool as the poms in 2007… we still met in the final…!!
being in the pool with the frogs… (hehehe…) doesn’t exclude meeting them again… later…
just my 2c…
21 Apr 2010, 16:04 pm
@poppa69: 3 in a row mate
21 Apr 2010, 16:06 pm
@Eminem: this is also true, there’ no more restrictions on SA to help NZ win the RWC, they had to do everything in their power to make sure the RWC is in NZ just so they can win it agian, and i hear its the first one that’s going to run at a MAJOR MAJOR loss
21 Apr 2010, 16:06 pm
@ufo: I agree, but if we do meet them it will also be the final, because we are in the same pool we will go to opposite sides of the draw…
21 Apr 2010, 16:08 pm
@poppa69: You know what the difference is ? The All Blacks have definitely declined.
In years past, I could recite the entire All Black side without a problem – and you guys had SUPER players….like McCaw & Carter….Chris Jack….
But now – none of your players are really standing out. In fact, Carter looks decidedly average as does McCaw…Off hand, I cant even tell who the All Black supporters will select.
With the Stormers coming up so strongly this year, Pieter De Villiers has a massive pool of form players to select from, but, most importantly there is one clear selection in almost every position.
Lots of people say that the 2009 Bok team was one of the strongest, if not the strongest ever…but I think the 2011 Bok team will be even better….by quite a bit actually.
We just need to get PdV to select Francois Steyn at 15. Thats the only position I am unsure about.
21 Apr 2010, 16:09 pm
@poppa69:
so… nervous bud…???
21 Apr 2010, 16:09 pm
@poppa69: Dude, dont delude yourself, your NZ has no one coming through that has the balls to take the trophy, AUs, France and Boks bud, get used to it, i bet Wales or Ireland knock you out next year.
21 Apr 2010, 16:10 pm
@MacToogie: No, even the Sharks are not as bad as the All Blacks. We only had 12 years between trophies. Thats very much better than 24 years….and there is no guarantee even that the All Blacks will win next year. So – it could advance to 28 years…eish….
I reckon the Boks will become the first team to defend a world title. They are going to have one hell of a team !
21 Apr 2010, 16:10 pm
@MacToogie: I know. Especially after France did such a magnificent job in 2007. Should have definetlely gone to Japan.
21 Apr 2010, 16:11 pm
@Eminem: 411: True actually.
21 Apr 2010, 16:12 pm
@Dusky: PREACH THAT GOSPEL REVEREND DUSKY, AAAAMEN!!!!!! Poopa, pick us a NZ team please son, let us see what you got?
21 Apr 2010, 16:12 pm
@MacToogie: Well, the NZRU is pretty much bankrupt already. The can’t afford video ref’s at all the NPC games. The NPC runs at a loss. They are flogging matches again the AB’s to the highest bidder just to make ends meet, which will only end up cheapening their brand. And all that money they spent of their preparations for the previous RWC was just money down the toilet. It will be interesting to see of they can come back from all this – it must eventually affect the quality of their side. Even luring Hayman back was out of their grasp, such dire straits.
21 Apr 2010, 16:13 pm
@Dusky:
sheesh bud… setting us up for a fall there…
the ABs can still put together a world-beating team…
remember when Mallet was coach…? we got pummelled by the ANZAC sides… but Mallet wasn’t worried cause he could still put a strong Bok side together… and we won the 3N…
the ABs are in exactly the same position and could just as easily whup us in the 3N… and WC next year…!!
21 Apr 2010, 16:13 pm
does NZ even know who their best 15 and 22 are?
that is their real concern only a year or so out from world cup.
21 Apr 2010, 16:14 pm
@Dusky: Yeah. Just an amateaur rugby tournament like the next one. 1995 was the first proffesional rugby world cup.
21 Apr 2010, 16:14 pm
i think Henry has proven to be a poor selector on a number of occassions.
21 Apr 2010, 16:15 pm
@ufo: nah not at all… as Ive said a few times, keep writing my team off…
yep, we have no hope in hell of winning a tournament in our backyard, in our conditions, that will be contested in over a years time…
considering the opposition
SA have won there 2 times in the last 11 years
Aussie have not won against us in the last 7 games.
France have won 1 game in their last 16 years in NZ
yep, no hope in hell have we…
we may as well just not have the tournament and declare those 3 sides joint winners…
lets hope SA doesnt have Barnes for any of their games in the tourney, we all seen the hatred for the man after your loss to Aussie in Brissy last year..
21 Apr 2010, 16:15 pm
@CharlieBrown: Ahhhhhh thanks for that Charlie, so its even worse than i thought, getting nervous yet Poopa?
21 Apr 2010, 16:15 pm
But then I think Twakkie has been bizzarre in this regard as well on occassions.
21 Apr 2010, 16:16 pm
@poppa69:
poppa bud… I don’t write your team off at all…
see my post above…
21 Apr 2010, 16:18 pm
@poppa69:
also wrong about Barnes… I really rate him as a ref…
would rather him than any of the OzMob…
21 Apr 2010, 16:19 pm
@poppa69: so you going to blame everyone except how **** your team was in that game against france, the english hate france so you had Barnes in your corner son, i’m still waiting for you to pick a NZ team for us boy, show us what you got, do you even know the players?
21 Apr 2010, 16:20 pm
@ufo: well, I bet if my team did beat them they would not show their faces at all… I know their type well, fair weather idiots who shout the loudest when theyre winning, but disappear when theyre not..
not one ounce of decency between them, and not one man amongst them either…
catch you later mate… sick of this my teams better then your team ****… no wonder there is never many foreigners on this site, the average class of the SA male is on full show for everyone here, and its not a pretty sight..
21 Apr 2010, 16:20 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl: Twakkie and ****…SARU’s very own comedy hour
21 Apr 2010, 16:21 pm
@MacToogie: I think a Kiwi recently said they have been punching above their weight for a few years now.
The only reason their ‘brand’ was so successful was that they used to sweep all before them – they were the invincibles (except at RWC time). What South Africa has done in the last two seasons is completely destroy that aura, and along with the RWC failure, noone really fears them anymore. Even France went over there and played like they believed they could beat them. The trouble for the AB’s is not South Africa, who have their selection up’s and down’s. It’s now the rest of the world that believe they will beat them too if they follow the Bok game plan.
21 Apr 2010, 16:22 pm
@MacToogie: no, I actually blame GHs rest and rotation policy as well as his poor selection policy for that game, by cheapening the jersey and having a 2 squad team he effectively didnt know his strongest side, thus the players were never sure of each other either..
but then you dont want to hear my opinion, you just want to continue mockign and deriding me for something I have no control over..
so go ahead, have your little laughs and your moment in the sun..
standing ovation here
BRA-phucking-VO!
21 Apr 2010, 16:23 pm
@Storm outta hell:
ain’t that the truth.
please sweet Mary, no press conferences for Twakkie this year.
Rather send Bakkies, his grunting and drooling is often more understandable,albeit, not quite so funny.
21 Apr 2010, 16:23 pm
@poppa69:
you’re probably right poppa…
chin up bud… it’s never easy between the ABs and Boks… and as the guys keep saying about the Stormers… a few wins don’t make a flock of swallows…
we’ll be just as nervous playing the ABs… any and every time we play you guys… anyone who says otherwise is kidding themselves…
21 Apr 2010, 16:23 pm
@MacToogie: To be fair, Mac, both teams were **** in that game, the AB’s were just crapper on the day and make a few strategic mistakes. It happens, but in a knock-out it’s fatal.
21 Apr 2010, 16:24 pm
@CharlieBrown: yep, 7 straight games against Aussie and no tries in 8 matches against NH opposition… solid argument champ..
21 Apr 2010, 16:25 pm
@poppa69: Poppa, I hope for your sake GH has learned his lesson. Although, there won’t be as much money to have a double squad playing this time around – perhaps a blessing in disguise.
21 Apr 2010, 16:27 pm
@poppa69: I think referring back to history is a grave mistake when it comes to the Springboks.
It should be abundantly clear, even to someone deaf and dumb that something is coming right in SA rugby.
I recall Eddie Jones saying once ‘Beware the day that South Africa start to get things right’
I think judgement day has arrived.
21 Apr 2010, 16:27 pm
sheesh… the guys who go on about Stormers supporters being windgat… are demonstating who are the real windgat fans of SA Rugby…
farking embarrassing guys…
21 Apr 2010, 16:27 pm
@poppa69: did you get the pic?
21 Apr 2010, 16:29 pm
@poppa69:
but that is a ridiculous statement.
Do I have a voice withregards to who is selected for the Boks.
But true that Henry did give the impression that whoever he put on the park was good enough. Probably got ahead of himself having seen how his side klapped France at home a few months earlier.
but what exactly is the kiwis best 15.
1.woodcock
2.hoare
3.
4.Thorne
5.
6.Kaino
7.mcCaw
8.
9.
10.Carter
11.
12.
13.Smith
14.
15.Mils
Way to many positions open to debate so close to the worldcup in my opinion. And,I’d even say that Thorne’s position is debatable as well.
21 Apr 2010, 16:29 pm
@poppa69: Yet you lost to France at home. A very junior French side with none of their stars. And but for some appalling refereeing, the French would’ve taken the series. The aura is gone, delude yourself if it makes you feel better, but the AB’s will lose more and more and more against all opposition.
21 Apr 2010, 16:30 pm
@poppa69: and that is how you get under the skin of a kiwi, next lesson……. LOL
still waiting on what team you would pick if you were a NZ coach
21 Apr 2010, 16:33 pm
but things do change fast in rugby.Just last season it was the Rubble Reds.
21 Apr 2010, 16:33 pm
@CharlieBrown: did you also take into account the injury toll NZ had, the new players in the side that day? and they only beat us then because an overrated showpony who came back from Eng injured and had only played one ot two games before gifted them an intercept try in the final minutes??
did you see the result in France when we had our full compliment back, or is that different?
lets remember, you guys havent really beaten the french for a while now either have you, what is it, 2 out of the last ten games?
21 Apr 2010, 16:33 pm
@CharlieBrown: fully agree there Charlie, the fear of playing NZ has left the SA boys.
21 Apr 2010, 16:33 pm
one theory for the ABs being good outside the world cup and cr@p in it could be to do with the fact that a large portion of them are not actually NZ’ers. perhaps they play well for the ABs but when it comes to representing them in a competition full of their own nations, it becomes more apparent.
21 Apr 2010, 16:34 pm
@CharlieBrown: The All Blacks will be back. You wont keep a quality rugby nation like New Zealand down forever, but – this fall off in form has come at a very inconvenient time for them.
Plus, they have too many questions.
Just like the Sharks early season – too many unanswered questions.
If they can get a few of those questions answered before the world cup – they will be seriously competitive…but they just have too many question marks I think.
21 Apr 2010, 16:35 pm
@poppa69: 453. Bloody French…
21 Apr 2010, 16:35 pm
@ufo: oh come off it now UFO, this git started with us, you think we gonna be all polite to him when he starts attacking us.
21 Apr 2010, 16:36 pm
@MacToogie: Dont write off the Aussies….
The tri-nations will be interesting for sure.
21 Apr 2010, 16:36 pm
@MacToogie: hahahaha yeah right… need validation now do you…
gutless is all your are
gutless trash
21 Apr 2010, 16:37 pm
I for one hope that the stories about the financial decline in NZ rugby are not true. If so perhaps the SANZAR committee should look into how they can ensure some continued growth in the game in the region.
The last thing we can afford is the Kiwi’s and Ozzies getting beaten regularly as they have a good alternative to switch to in the strength of their rugby league.
21 Apr 2010, 16:38 pm
@poppa69: the worst thing about new zealand losing every four years is the excuses. forward passes, food poisoning when in actual fact the only real excuse was in 1987 and that was an excuse for winning in that it wasn’t a real world cup without the Boks there.
21 Apr 2010, 16:39 pm
@poppa69: 460 You wanna put a hit on them mate, my brass knuckles just been polished, and i don’t discriminate to only kiwis
21 Apr 2010, 16:39 pm
@Dusky: i dont, my prediction is Aus, France and or Boks in RWC fianl
@poppa69: no need for validation just the list of players you would pick, remember you’re not allowed to pick and aussies or SA players in your team LOL, and i know you’re beaten cos you revert to calling me names, LOVE IT
21 Apr 2010, 16:40 pm
@bananaboy: maybe they could unite the Tongan, Fijian and Samoan unions with the NZRU? oh, no they’ve already pretty much done that.
21 Apr 2010, 16:40 pm
@MacToogie:
hey Mac… Poppa’s no git… he’s a quality man…
and there’s nothing wrong with banter…
but when you guys read this back when tempers have cooled down… will anyone be big enough to come back on and say they are embarrassed by the arrogance being chucked around…???
one good season and we are eternal world beaters…???
21 Apr 2010, 16:40 pm
everyone must know by now that tri-nations and any other test form has no bearing whatsoever on worldcup form.
ironically, from a SA point of view, S14 has been a slightly better indicator.
21 Apr 2010, 16:41 pm
would love to see a footrace between Gerhard van den Heever and Zac Guilford
21 Apr 2010, 16:41 pm
@Soda: please, we’re all guilty of excuses.. quotas?
as for 87, was it our fault you guys werent invited? no, somehow your countries policies of the day had more to do with that…
the thing is, going on last years EOYT, once your 07 stars leave you dont have a lot of strength yourselves, but keep turning a blind eye to it all..
21 Apr 2010, 16:42 pm
@poppa69:
Now my moer is stooting.
Others may pussyfoot around you but not me.
You have been responsible for the most sweeping generalisations ever seen on this site.
“How many tourists are we going to murder”
“We are ******** over our so-called lost generation in Soweto”
Where do you get this? We may not be squeaky clean but keep your **** to yourself!
I say again … if this country pisses you off, go blog somewhere else.
21 Apr 2010, 16:43 pm
@Gonzo Journalism: I would love to see a foot race between Lwazi Mvovo and Bryan Habana.
21 Apr 2010, 16:44 pm
@Soda:
that was funny. I want to see us beat the Kiwis and Ozzies every time we play but the concern I have about that is that unlike us i.e. when we were getting beat we just had to knuckle down and turn it around because we don’t have other codes, these guys will abandon rugby union for the other codes easily. They’ll support the sport in which they are winning and for the Ozzies that is ARF.
21 Apr 2010, 16:44 pm
@poppa69: @ 469
if things don’t go well after the 07 stars retire… we’ll fall back on ‘our’ favorite excuse…
and blame PdV…!!
21 Apr 2010, 16:44 pm
our EOYTs are always poor. we don’t like the cold and rain and would prefer to be back at the vaal/hartebeespoort/midmar/beach with a braai and a windhoek. as opposed to looking for a good time in a foreign country and then jumping on peoples’ cars.
21 Apr 2010, 16:44 pm
@Dawn: and here comes miss righteous herself… the soweto reference was a direct response to a NZ reference, but you obviously skipped that part didnt you…
shame you only ever read one side Dawn, youd almost be a decent person if you looked at both parties..
but no… so go away now!
21 Apr 2010, 16:45 pm
@ufo: i’m not embarrassed that im arrogantly pro boks, im not embarrassed to say I’m arrogantly pro SA, for years we have sat back politely just for NZ and Aus to walk all over us like we are nothing, i say NO MORE!!!!! =)
21 Apr 2010, 16:45 pm
@ufo: When the 2007 stars retire…the Bulls better start thinking up a couple of excuses as well.
21 Apr 2010, 16:47 pm
@Dawn: Vat hom Fluffy….. i mean Dawnie
21 Apr 2010, 16:47 pm
@Dawn: Hey Dawn I thought you might be a colleague and might know another colleague of mine Birgitte. She will be returning to SA soon.
21 Apr 2010, 16:47 pm
@MacToogie:
mac bud… I’m not suggesting we sit back and let others walk all over us…
but when we do stand up to them… please let it be with a little class and dignity…
i KNOW you’re better than that…
21 Apr 2010, 16:48 pm
@poppa69:
Go to blazes.
No-one tells me to go away, especially not some self-important so-called morally righteous Kiwi.
Caramba the ***** we have to put up with from the likes of you.
I see you didn’t address the “how many tourists will be murdered in SA” bit.
21 Apr 2010, 16:49 pm
@Dusky: bulls have plenty of stock, never you mind, Sharks better worry about which mercenary flyhalf they’ll get once goode is finished sucking the life out of them =)
21 Apr 2010, 16:49 pm
Welcome to the world of keo…it isn’t a place for the faint-hearted..!
21 Apr 2010, 16:49 pm
@Dusky:
too true bud…
stormers too…
21 Apr 2010, 16:50 pm
@Dawn: 481. Flap and flutter…
21 Apr 2010, 16:50 pm
@Storm outta hell:
I mean how can he say something like that!!!!
Is this the only country where tourists have strife?
21 Apr 2010, 16:50 pm
@Dusky: would love to see a fight between Andrew Hore and Sebastian Chabal
21 Apr 2010, 16:51 pm
@Storm outta hell:
21 Apr 2010, 16:51 pm
@ufo: you obviously dont know me well enough then. i will break his spirit here if need be (and it looks like we getting close to that), they have their own sites to try and diss the Boks and SA sides, not here, not while im blogging.
21 Apr 2010, 16:52 pm
@Dawn: admittedly, i made the first inter-nation comment referring to the crystal meth problem in NZ but it was in realtion to rugby. of course, we have our own in SA (CT mostly) but Pooper didn’t pick up on that.
regarding class and dignity, i agree and should have used the word ‘member’ in place of ‘****’.
21 Apr 2010, 16:52 pm
@Heavens Game:
Oh shut the fark up for once.
You are not involved in this.
You have as much opinion as the underside of a maggot.
21 Apr 2010, 16:52 pm
@Storm outta hell: and so it should be
21 Apr 2010, 16:52 pm
Sweet, A Fight!!
21 Apr 2010, 16:53 pm
@MacToogie: break my spirit, on a blog hahahahahaha
hahahahahah
hahahahahaha
too farkin funny…
21 Apr 2010, 16:53 pm
@Storm outta hell: 483
yeah here at this hour you have to type with bandages wrapped around you hands, soaked in glue then dipped in broken glass
21 Apr 2010, 16:53 pm
@Gonzo Journalism: i would like to see fight between graham henry and wayne smith.
21 Apr 2010, 16:54 pm
@Soda: lol
21 Apr 2010, 16:54 pm
@Soda:
Thanks.
Still no justification for some wannabe Enzed to insult a whole nation.
21 Apr 2010, 16:55 pm
@poppa69: why is it that kiwis are such masochists? out of all the foreign bloggers they seem to look for a beat down. is it so you can handle the bitter pain at world cup time?
21 Apr 2010, 16:55 pm
its funny though, ONE kiwi has how ever many Saffas all ganging up on him..
ONE kiwi with so many saffas..
CLASSIC !!!
21 Apr 2010, 16:55 pm
@poppa69: getting there son, you arleady resorting to stuff that has no relevance to rugby, crime rate , shlong size and name calling, so yeah we are getting there
21 Apr 2010, 16:56 pm
@Heavens Game:
Or, as we like to say where I come from, hou jou bek.
21 Apr 2010, 16:56 pm
@MacToogie: 482: Really ? The ones that did so well for you guys in the early stages of the Currie Cup last year ? hmmmm ?
21 Apr 2010, 16:56 pm
This is going to get ugly. I better disappear while I still have my innocence.
21 Apr 2010, 16:56 pm
@Soda: Bwahahahaha….and they both must be “doosdronk” at the time !!!!
21 Apr 2010, 16:57 pm
KEYBOARD WARRIORS: Cause taking **** in person is too dangerous.
21 Apr 2010, 16:57 pm
@Dawn: don’t flap, old “girl”.
21 Apr 2010, 16:57 pm
@poppa69:
Shame.
You feel a bit put upon?
It’s just me buddy.
It FEELS like so many Saffas.
21 Apr 2010, 16:58 pm
@poppa69: it takes many hands to handle a big ****.
21 Apr 2010, 16:58 pm
@Soda: I would love to see a fight between Danie Rossouw and Schalk Burger !
Or between Bismark Du Plessis and Geo Aplon ?
21 Apr 2010, 16:59 pm
@Dawn: 508. gangbang…
Must go now
21 Apr 2010, 16:59 pm
@Heavens Game:
Listen.
I’ve had it with you too.
You may be 65 and a molester, but don’t paint me with that brush.
Lord above do they still make men as stupid and thick as you, with a vocabulary limited to ………… “FLAP” ……………..
21 Apr 2010, 17:00 pm
@Dusky: they got the job done dude, we got the home final thanks =), im out dudes and dudettes, still waiting for that team sheet pooper!!!
21 Apr 2010, 17:00 pm
@poppa69: 500: Uhhh…it is a South African website.
.co.za ?
What did you expect – there to be more Kiwis here ?
21 Apr 2010, 17:00 pm
@Dawn: lol.
21 Apr 2010, 17:01 pm
Dawn
There is a vacancy at our embasy in New Zealand. I will submit your name to the comrades at the Polokwane Cigar Club…
21 Apr 2010, 17:01 pm
@MacToogie: 513: They hung in there against the minnows to leave enough room for their Springboks to secure them 3rd place on the log. Quite right…
21 Apr 2010, 17:01 pm
@MacToogie:
mac… of course i don’t bud… but based on the really excellent posts you’ve made on your short time on keo… i’d say you are way wittier and quicker with a barbed but meaningful reposte…
but on the other hand Darren…
don’t let me get in the way of you and poppa…
you’re both good enough to handle yourselves… and heck… watching a good scrap always gets the blood pumping…
enjoy…!!
21 Apr 2010, 17:02 pm
@Dawn: Nothing like a sexy, smouldering………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….****
21 Apr 2010, 17:03 pm
@Dawn: @ 491
gotta love you Dawn…
now you’re really into it… lashing out at everyone…!!
21 Apr 2010, 17:04 pm
@MacToogie: I think youve broken my spirit, oh woe is me…
15 Dagg/Jane/Muliaina
14 Wulf/Guilford/Roko
11 Sivivatu
13 Smith/ranger
12 Stanley/Bruce
10 Carter
09 Matthewson
08 Waldrom ? problems here, no one else really..
07 McCaw
06 kaino/Reid/Thompson
05 Boric/Jack
04 Thorn – another problem area
03 Franks
02 Mealamu/De Melmanche
01 Woodcock/Crockett
there you go, my team
now waiting for you to tell me how uncompetitive it would be…
21 Apr 2010, 17:05 pm
Nice friendly site today. Any idea what underside of a maggot looks like? Cheers all, going for a bar-fight, more peaceful.
21 Apr 2010, 17:06 pm
@Dusky: @ 510
my money’s on Gio…!!
21 Apr 2010, 17:09 pm
@Dawn: not at all Dawn, I prefer a lady to a tramp, any day of the week…
@Dusky: yeah true, you mix with uncivilised people you have to expect it I suppose… thanks for clarifying it for me though..
21 Apr 2010, 17:09 pm
@poppa69: would take Corey Jane over Dagg anyday
21 Apr 2010, 17:10 pm
@poppa69: Seriously, Poppa, without all the emotion – do you really think that the AB’s still have their ‘invincible’ aura or do you think that it has been erased over the last couple of years and other teams will think they have a fair chance of taking the AB’s now, however misplaced that may be?
21 Apr 2010, 17:10 pm
@ufo:
Lets remember that all teams are likely to lose starts after 2011..
AB’s shall lose:
McCaw
Carter(debatable??)-will be 29/30
Williams
Thorn
Mealamu
Hore
Cowan
C.Smith
Rokocoko
Muliaina
Sivivatu
Woodcock
Tialata(debatable??)
OZ shall lose:
Moore
Sharpe
Smith
Elsom
Hoiles
Palu
Mortlock
Giteau(debatable??? but might take big money)
Waugh
Barnes(debatable)
Sherperd
Mitchell
SA shall lose:
Smit
Matfield
Botha
Smith
Burger(debatable??)
Du Preez
Olivier(debatable)
De Villiers(debatable??)
J.Fourie(debatable)
Habana(debatable??)
D.Rossouw
Bismarck(debatable???)
Pienaar(debatable???)
Guthro(debatable???)
21 Apr 2010, 17:14 pm
Corey Jane is a beast.
21 Apr 2010, 17:15 pm
@CharlieBrown: I dont think the ABs ever had an invincible aura… that was created by those outside of NZ, not us…
apart from France in the NH, I’d say they still have it as far as the 4 home unions go… realistically its only ever SA, Aussie and France who pose a threat to us…
Aussie only since the 80s
France the occassional victory, which happens to be the WC unfortunately..
The Home unions, One solitary victory over us in 2003 (Eng) this century
and SA have always been the old enemy, nothings chanegd there…
but for some to say we have no hope next year, that NZ rugby is in serious decline,then I would say they are deluding themselves..
and if we dont win next year, not the end of the world… more important things in life then rugby..
21 Apr 2010, 17:15 pm
@mshiniwami:
of course mate…
i hope those debatables all do stick around…!! but can’t see them resisting the lure of the big buck…
be back to square one for all three sides… will be very interesting…
but i do like the look of our depth coming through for sure… and feel slightly more comfortable as a Bok supporter…
21 Apr 2010, 17:16 pm
We need a guy like F.Steyn to face him.
21 Apr 2010, 17:20 pm
@poppa69: Fair comment and good answer. Let’s leave it there then
.
Regarding the decline, well that is speculation on all fronts and time will tell whether it’s true or not. What will be interesting to see is if the AB’s can establish dominance as they had pre the 2007 RWC. I suppose the lack of this dominance has led to talk of decline.
The rugby world would be poorer without the strong AB’s and, yes, there are more important things in life than rugby, but not many!!
21 Apr 2010, 17:21 pm
as for McTuggers assumption that I started this all, my post 321 was apparently the “catalyst” for this whole argument…
but then I guess my comment was such a bad one, as Im sure you will all see and agree with huh…
how dare I say that on a SA blog…
21 Apr 2010, 17:31 pm
@poppa69: Pops. The All Blacks will always be in the top 2 rugby nations.
For the Springboks they are the benchmark, everything else is practice.
There is a big change that has come about with the onset of professionalism, there are 6 nations at least who have very good teams who can beat anyone on their day – SA, NZ, Aus, France, England, Ireland. Then you have 2 more who when the clouds break and they build some depth can be world class too – Wales & Argentina.
If we could build: Scotland, Italy, Fiji, Samoa, US & 1 other the global game would be in good shape.
21 Apr 2010, 17:43 pm
this article is very irresponsible, why use race as a determining factor of whether this boy will be picked or not? which white wings were better than Chester, Breyton, Habana, Jpp, Nokwe, Chavanga and were never selected because of their skin colour? Ffs Peter de Villiers has even used Jaque Fourie on the wing (where he scored the best try of 2009) so why would anyone even suggest that he won’t pick this boy because he is white?
This is why our rugby will always be bogged by issues of race, because of irresponsible journalists like this. You will never find this kind of thing on RT..
21 Apr 2010, 17:50 pm
I’m sorry. Why is everyone taking the holier-than-thou approach and predicting Springbok honours for this laaitie? This boy has a lot of catching up to do, and I mean A LOT. His defence is absolutely nowhere and his ball distribution is not at Super 14 level. And the fact that he is white is not a bloody hindrance! Why are we not seeing an article on the future prospects for Lionel Mapoe? This guy is stronger and more capable under the high ball.
No man. Enough of this Blue Bull fanatical ‘sports literature’.
21 Apr 2010, 17:54 pm
@boktoinfinityandbeyond: Looking beyond your hysteria, I also believe Mapoe is excellent. Very well rounded.
But clearly not as quick. Few are.
But very strong, and well rounded. A talent.
But you cannot argue with vd Heever’s ability – pace & finishing. And he is Bok potential. A good thing.
21 Apr 2010, 17:56 pm
His distribution is minimal?
I must be missing something I thought he was a wing.
21 Apr 2010, 18:02 pm
@gunther: 538 LOL.
He’s a great finisher. His sheer pace makes him very hard to stop.
Let’s see him get 2 more years under his belt. I can’t comment that much on his defence or kicking or strength under high ball – I like my wingers to be very, very fast fullbacks. Your thoughts.
I think a lot of this debate is a result of JPP’s very poor season.
21 Apr 2010, 18:03 pm
@SodaJoe:
I cannot argue that he has talent. And loads of pace to burn. He is a very good prospect. I would just like to see more on other players of equal calibre.
@gunther:
Should I simplify it?
General ball control and passing.
21 Apr 2010, 18:05 pm
@Soda: 366. ‘is NZ really that bad a place that most of the kids are turning to drugs or suicide? i’m confused because it looked kind of nice in that lord of the rings movie. especially the place where the elves lived – the mountainy bit with the stream.’
21 Apr 2010, 18:05 pm
@boktoinfinityandbeyond: Aye.
21 Apr 2010, 18:36 pm
@poppa69: Waldrom would be a shoe-in on my team sheet. legend.
21 Apr 2010, 18:38 pm
@Big Hit: lothlorien i think it’s called. apparently they are getting a S14 franchise next year.
21 Apr 2010, 18:39 pm
@MacToogie: actually, he didn’t say anything about ******* size. too embarassed to comment i think.
21 Apr 2010, 18:45 pm
@poppa69: 356 @Soda: @MacToogie: “you havent answered my question, how many visitors to your shores this year will never return home? how many will be murdered?”
i honestly don’t know the answer to that question. how many do you want to be murdered?
21 Apr 2010, 18:46 pm
@Soda: doos
21 Apr 2010, 18:47 pm
getting back to the topic…
‘I don’t think like that,’ he says, ‘I don’t think about the issues you’ve raised, or all the wingers I have to get past to make the Springbok squad. Maybe it’s naive, but I’d like to think that if I’m the best of the bunch I’ll get picked.’
‘But that hasn’t been the reality of Springbok rugby recently,’ I interject. ‘The best players sometimes don’t get picked for various reasons.’
talk about a political agenda. ryan is the white Malema.
21 Apr 2010, 18:48 pm
@poppa69: 389. or Argentina/England
@poppa69: 529. 2002 and 2003, but you still have the aura where Scotland are concerned no doubt
21 Apr 2010, 18:49 pm
@SodaJoe: sorry, did i miss something?
21 Apr 2010, 18:52 pm
‘Not since Nick Mallett routinely penned Pieter Rossouw’s name on the team sheet has a Springbok coach consistently selected a white wing.’
Wasn’t JDV selected on the wing for quite a few tests?
21 Apr 2010, 18:54 pm
@Big Hit: jake white thought he was black until one day in showers he realised his error and moved him to the white mans’ position of centre.
21 Apr 2010, 18:55 pm
by this i mean jake white thought that JDV was white not that he (jake) was white becuase obviously he would know that as his name is even white not a ‘white persons’ name’ but the actual name ‘white’. whereas jean’s name doesn’t give away his ethnicity.
21 Apr 2010, 19:03 pm
@Big Hit: Also, Dean Hall was the regular left wing for two seasons (01/02). So basically Ryan is speaking out of his anu5.
21 Apr 2010, 19:18 pm
actually, I believe JDV probably played only 8-10 tests on the wing.
hardly a test match regular in the greater scheme of things.
21 Apr 2010, 19:20 pm
and I’d be suprised if dean hall played 10 tests as a starting wing as well.
21 Apr 2010, 20:28 pm
he played 13 in total. sure, maybe not starting all but he was ‘penned’ onto the team sheet even though apparently white.
21 Apr 2010, 20:30 pm
@Brigadier Van Zyl: look brig, anyway you want to carve it, this article and the interview itself is sensationalist due to the fact that we’ve had the best wings on merit for the last god knows how long and those choices had nought to do with colour.
21 Apr 2010, 20:42 pm
@soda: what you might be missing is that this article was written is sarugby mag targeting exactly the kind of readers like brig van zyl who are obsessed with colour!
21 Apr 2010, 23:10 pm
Van der heever should never be considered for bok colours. Any player that opts to use the WHITES ONLY entrance should be prevented from getting any recognition.. White Supremacist scum deserve abuse…
I see the Bulls have grown poep scared of me… Heini in the starting line up, diversity on the bench… LMAO
21 Apr 2010, 23:32 pm
Ryan Vrede : im not even gonna read this ****.
im so sick of writers writing their favs into the Bok team. the boy is no where near Bok selection, wash your blue shirt for change- i can smell u miles away
22 Apr 2010, 00:05 am
Ryan Vrede = is dit so moelik om sense te skryf? Volgende maand kan jy die jonge Lambie van die Sharks se naam probeer gat maak. Dalk droom hy om die volgende Rolls-Royce te word.
Van den Heever is in sy kinderskoene en hy, van alle mense, weet dit. Hy het baie spoed – so ook Nokwe en Mapoe. Selfs ‘n blinde kan sien dat hy nog baie het om te leer, veral op verdediging. Gee hom kans, dalk is hy ‘n volwaardige vleuel @ 2015. Hopelik het hy by Master Bryan geleer.
22 Apr 2010, 00:16 am
Blah blah, he is not ready yet. Habs, Aplon, Killian etc.. are way ahead of him.
Lambie will be the biggest problem. Steyn then Kirchener will keep him out
22 Apr 2010, 00:33 am
V.D. Heever is very far away from a Bok team…on merit.
22 Apr 2010, 02:26 am
@Soda: still a doos.
22 Apr 2010, 02:37 am
@GOD:
Racist doooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooos!
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