Giteau fined for ref rant
28 Apr 2010
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Giteau fined for ref rant
Brumbies flyhalf Matt Giteau has been fined A$5,000 dollars after criticising Steve Walsh’s performance in last week’s loss to the Waratahs.
When asked what the team will do if Walsh was not removed from this week’s game against the Reds, Giteau told reporters: ‘I don’t know if we will turn up, what’s the point?’. He also lamented Walsh’s decision not to award Adam Ashley-Cooper’s try. ‘Like everyone who knows rugby, that was a try,’ he said.
Walsh has since been replaced by Chris Pollock, but Giteau has also been punished. Sanzar judicial officer Terry Willis said the fact that Giteau had no prior offences counted in his favour.
Giteau, who plead guilty to the charge of breach in conduct, has offered to write a letter of apology to Walsh.
Walsh axed
Match official Steve Walsh has been removed from the Brumbies/Reds clash in Canberra on Saturday.
This follows the Brumbies’ request to review Walsh’s performance in their 19-12 defeat to the Waratahs last weekend, where the Kiwi ref disallowed a legitimate try and made some controversial calls.
Sanzar rugby boss Lyndon Bray said he removed Walsh for rugby reasons and not because of the abusive comments made by the Brumbies’ players and management. Chris Pollock will be the replacement official, while Vinny Munro will take charge in the Hurricanes/Chiefs match.
Pocock extends Perth stay
David Pocock will spend another two seasons at the Western Force after signing a contract extension.
The 15-Test Wallabies flank, who was a major target for the Melbourne Rebels, committed himself until the end of the 2012 Super 14 season.
‘I decided a while ago but there was just the contract stuff that had to be sorted out first,’ Pocock said. ‘I’m really excited about it. To keep playing with Matt Hodgson and Richard Brown was a big plus for me so I’m looking forward to it.’
Deans backs Reds for S14 triumph
Robbie Deans believes the Reds are favourites to win the Super 14 this season.
While the Bulls, Stormers and Crusaders lead the pack at the top of the log so far, Wallabies head coach Deans backed the fourth-placed Reds to be the surprise winners.
‘They’re a side who clearly have the capability to win it,’ Deans told smh.com.au. ‘The reason for that is they have been striving to play a brand that is capable of winning the competition, as opposed to just simply qualifying [for the finals]. You can’t just pluck these things out of thin air. It comes through preparation.’
Deans added that in-form pivot Quade Cooper is not sure of a starting place.
‘The Reds have modified the way they have approached the game through a little bit of lateral thinking. They’ve moved Quade around on the defensive line, so that’s still an issue for them. But the things he enjoys doing, he is doing extremely well.’
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28 Apr 2010, 09:19 am
@ufo(ufo): Morning ufo, You are correct, it was Paul Marks. After his atrocious reffing of the Sharks game against the Tahs he should have been dropped, but there he was the very next week as a assistant once again against the Sharks and Brumbies. Where he messed up again speaking to the ref as once again Marks got it wrong. He cost us two games where we should have won.
Also the the novice kiwi ref Sharks had against the Chiefs was terrible.
Well that is all in the past, they just have to get better refs.
We have to get back to neutral refs. The only way to go. The best but it has to be neutral. I would rather even have NH refs reffing the S14.
28 Apr 2010, 09:24 am
@Connag(Connag): Have to agree with you there. Also those Refs.
Now look Stormers have Dickinson for a 3RD TIME this S14. I just hope he has a good game on Friday. Last year Sharks had Bryce Lawrence 3 times as well and he was terrible too.
Something has to be done about the reffing that is costing teams that should win games.
28 Apr 2010, 09:24 am
@Puma(Puma):
hey puma… you well…?
thing is that SANZAR and the ref’s associtation have stuffed up from the get-go…
the refs should be rotated around all the teams so that each ref only refs each team once or twice throughout the competition… that would go a long way towards reducing the effect of any bias (perceived or real)
but this thing of one team having the same ref over and over again unfairly benefits (or penalises) a team depending on their relationship with that particular ref…
28 Apr 2010, 09:26 am
@Puma(Puma):
Puma, it’s quite simple, really.
South Africans are not allowed to complain about the match officials. Neither are New Zealanders.
Only Aussies are
28 Apr 2010, 09:33 am
how is Matt Gitteau, in the glare of the world’s media, crying like a pre-teen girl, throwing his toys out of his cot and saying ‘we don’t wanna play’ sticking out his bottom lip and holding his breath till he’s red in the face…
any different to the Boks wearing white-armbands protesting at the OTT treatments of Bakkies Botha…???
i mean how is wearing white armbands any worse that threatening not to play at all…?
Waiting for our ANZAC bloggers to justify Gitteau’s cry-baby antics…
28 Apr 2010, 09:34 am
@Puma(Puma):
Puma, personally I think the SA teams get a better deal having SA refs from time to time, because they do not get a fair deal. The SA refs do get it wrong, but they are the best in the comp and when they get it wrong its usually swings and roundabouts, its not just onesided.
The neutral refs unfortunately are that in name only, because they are far from neutral, we never get a fair go from Aussie or Kiwi refs, at least with the odd SA ref we get a fair go.
Sorry, but my trust of the ANZAC’s refs over the years has diminshed greatly.
We have suffered and lost far too many games, through their inconsistency (bias) over the years.
28 Apr 2010, 09:35 am
Matt Giteau is so gangsta! But one could easily see that that game was deteriorating when Hoiles and Walsh were getting snappy with each other.
28 Apr 2010, 09:36 am
@ufo(ufo):
UFO I hear you about Giteau’s cry baby tactics, but in a way I’m glad he has done it, because it has put the spotlight on these incompetent cheating officials.
Just glad it’s an Aussie doing the bleating and not a Saffa.
28 Apr 2010, 09:37 am
@Connag(Connag): SA reffs cheat for SA sides too. Mark Lawrence did a number on the Blues last weekend.
28 Apr 2010, 09:39 am
@ufo(ufo): Very well ufo, hope you are too mate.
Yes you are right there. Refs should be rotated and really no team should get the same ref twice, least of all 3 times!! I do hope Dickinson has a good game on Friday. The only good thing is Stormers will probably know how he blows by now. Well maybe, as he too can be awful.
Ufo, I think neutral refs have to come back. This never ever worked when I grew up. We used to have saffa refs reffing games against the ABs here and when we toured there they had AB refs against us. Both were very biased and it never ever worked.
Get the best but they have to be neutral.
Gits should get suspended for one week. If that was a saffa player be sure he would be suspended.
28 Apr 2010, 09:39 am
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever): Morning WPTID…hehehe. You could be right there
28 Apr 2010, 09:45 am
@Connag(Connag):56 – Agree that saffa refs are the best, but some of our teams have hardly had them. Sharks have only had a saffa ref 3 times. Well twice a merit ref the other half of the Cheetahs game we got a novice saffa ref, that too was dropped.
For me I would go completely neutral and let the NH refs come ref the S14. Some good refs up there now. Never used to be but there are these days.
Yes agree, too Gits brought all this bad reffing out, but he only done it for his team. We got screwed by Marks against the Brumbies he was assistant ref that day. Got the Brumbies a penalty which they should never have got. Sharks should have won both the Tahs and Brumbies games had it not been for Paul Marks.
Gits should get a week suspended. If it was saffa be sure he would get get a week or two.
28 Apr 2010, 09:46 am
@Connag(Connag):
sortta Connag… sortta not…
didn’t Paul Marks performance and dumping spotlight the issue of incompetant reffing…?
thing is if the IRB doesn’t step in and sanction Gitteau they are condoning players publicly ridiculing refs opening the floodgates that will be nigh impossible to close…
@Puma(Puma):
cool thanks…
the truth is that neutral refs in this comp are very few and far between…
the only real neutral way to go is getting NH refs down here for all the games…
which may also assist in getting the two hemispheres into the same ball-park re which rules to use…
28 Apr 2010, 09:48 am
Walsh is a disgrace, always has been. The Aussies thought they would **** a snook at the Kiwis and brought him over, warts’n'all.
Let them eat cake.
While the authorities are at it they should banish Joubert, Plonker & B.Lawrence to Schoolboy reserve grade (if noone else is available).
28 Apr 2010, 09:49 am
@Puma(Puma):
see you posted pretty much what I was writing while writing it…
28 Apr 2010, 09:49 am
Mark Lawrence did a number on the Blues last weekend…….so what its about time he did the Sharks a favour, ive seen him screw them too many times B4, (IE Sharks vs Tah’s Durban 2009)
28 Apr 2010, 09:50 am
@ufo(ufo): 55 – By Gits threatening not to play he really should get suspended for a week.
We wore arm-bands but turned up to play. Think there is a difference there. Think we got fined for that, so Gits should get suspended.
If that was a saffa or a kiwi be sure we would be suspended.
28 Apr 2010, 09:52 am
The S14 is a dead goose, S15 gonna be worse. We want strength vs Strength SANZAR, not more watering down. 2 Tiered system. The S15 is ridiculous, we have a CC to play our own.
28 Apr 2010, 09:52 am
@Gonzo Journalism(Gonzo Journalism): 66 – Mark Lawrence should have given Stefan that try too. He never. So he also got it wrong with us too.
28 Apr 2010, 09:53 am
@Puma(Puma):
my feelings exactly…
at least we pitched and played… and didn’t take the primadonna “we’re bigger than the game” route that Gitteau took…
28 Apr 2010, 09:54 am
@ufo(ufo):
This ‘merit-based’ ref system we have in S14 is ridiculous. Surely the comp is big and rich enough for us to have neutral refs – all 4 match officials – in every match. Its bad enough when refs make a mistake – they ALL do – but to then have that mistake twisted in to some ‘favouritism’ or the oppositie, by derranged rugby fans just seems unprofessional, unfair on the refs, and completely unnecessary. Is it right that the reigning Champion team, and current comp-Leader – the Bulls – has SA refs for 90% of their matches ? I think not. There are enough all-SA/NZ/Aus matches involved to involve the domestic refs, we dont need even a hint of suspicion where it should not be a factor.
28 Apr 2010, 09:55 am
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated): 68 – Ratel, agree with you. They should have just kept it the way it is, just add the Rebels making it a extra team to play.
Really don’t think next year it will be as good.
Hey!! time to chance your (Morne Steyn is under-rated) Put Ruan is under-rated there. Ruan has really stepped up this S14 playing some fantastic rugby. In both positions. Sh and Fh. Do it change that part of your nic..hehe
28 Apr 2010, 09:56 am
@Gonzo Journalism(Gonzo Journalism): @66
Personally I think M.Lawrence is the best ref in the competition. But that match was a disgrace, Blues were reffed out of that match entirely – embarrassing to watch.
28 Apr 2010, 09:56 am
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated):
Ratel… I said this when they were talking about the new system for the S15… gonna be a huge flop IMO…
I wanna watch my team play foreign teams… not a pre-run of the CC…
once again… all done to maximise benefits to Aus…
28 Apr 2010, 09:58 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther): 71 – BP, How you mate? hope well. Well remember it was only you and I last that never agreed to this reffing sysem. Both of us said it was never ever going to work. I don’t think it has, not at all.
Bring back neutral refs. The only way to go. Must be the best but it has to be neutral refs.
28 Apr 2010, 10:00 am
@ufo(ufo): @70
“we didn’t take the primadonna “we’re bigger than the game” route that Gitteau took…”
*cough* ~splutter~
If wearing ‘Justice4′
JUSTICE 4 !!!!!
armbands, en masse, Capt and Management, is NOT ‘prime donna, bigger than the game’
then WHAT is ?!
28 Apr 2010, 10:00 am
@ufo(ufo):70 – ufo, Agree. We also got a fine, so Gits should get suspended for a week. Saying his team may not pitch up!! That is a threat, we don’t need that sort of thing to start in rugby.
28 Apr 2010, 10:01 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther):
Believe it or not i rate Bryce Lawrence as a good ref too, if a team respects his interpretations his his really fair, but his temperament also has a slippery slope, pi$$ him off and you feel the wrath of his whistle
28 Apr 2010, 10:01 am
@Puma(Puma): Can’t change that now with this new stupid bracket system!!
28 Apr 2010, 10:01 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther): @ 71
Hey BP… I agree with everything you say… it is absolutely ridiculous… this thing of rating the refs and giving the best placed team the (perceived) best refs is a load of *****… Bulls definitely have had the best of the refs this season…
And the comp certainly does have the money to import all four neutral refs for every match… in fact it wouldn’t cost anymore than it already does… they pay the refs according to their experience so there’d be little or no extra moola shelled out…
28 Apr 2010, 10:02 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther): 76 – BP, BUT we pitched up and played. WE got fined so Gits should get a week in the cooler.
28 Apr 2010, 10:04 am
It just leaves a sour taste in the mouth that the Brumbies got what they wanted by complaining. I do however feel that Walsh would have been in an impossible position if he were to ref the game.
In the end – nobody wins and rugby is the big loser.
28 Apr 2010, 10:04 am
@Puma(Puma):
Yo, my feline friend !
Yes, we agreed on that from the first minute it was instigated and OF COURSE we’ve been proven right.
Im all for refs being chosen on ‘merit-based’ system for Semis/Finals and Im also all for refs being stood down for 1-2 Rounds if theyre making glaring mistakes
BUT I want NEUTRAL refs in every single match, all 4 of em !
Thing is, with less suspicion from fans, then slowly greater respect for them will grow too (hopefully). Other than cost issues, I simply dont see any down side
28 Apr 2010, 10:05 am
@Puma(Puma):
Well i tell you what was worse then Mark Lawrence’s in the Sharks Tah’s game of 2009, was Joel Stransky’s anti Shark commentary, it was like he single handedly beat the Sharks with the mic !!!
28 Apr 2010, 10:05 am
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated): Pity, As it would be appropriate to change it to Ruan now. Though maybe you can by letting Roy know.
Ruan is playing superb right now. Just hope he can play Saturday. Has a knee niggle. Alberts too has a small injury niggle. So just hoping like crazy they are fine to play.
28 Apr 2010, 10:05 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther): @ 76
definitely not the same… we pitched and played so the game could continue thereby demonstrating that we are not bigger than the game…
Gitteau threatened not to even pitch up for the game… meaning the game would NOT go ahead… meaning fans who have paid for seats would be defrauded of their hard-earned money…
demonstrating that Gitteau believes he and the Brumbies ARE bigger than the game…
those are the facts… however you choose to ignore them…
now take your teeth out of your coffee and put them back in your mouth…
28 Apr 2010, 10:07 am
@Gonzo Journalism(Gonzo Journalism): 84 – Have to agree with you. Then Stransky is just anti South African really. With every team and the Boks, he favours the otherside. Also a very, very boring commentator. Wish we had some commentators that had some sense of humour to add.
28 Apr 2010, 10:08 am
@rossoneri(rossoneri):
Yep, I thought so too, and commented a number of times on a previous thread on this exact same subject.
28 Apr 2010, 10:10 am
@Puma(Puma): @81
sorry Puma (/UFO), but here we part ways.
It was the fact that they DID ‘pitch up and play’ whilst wearing those armbands that was – most certainly – ‘prima donna, bigger than the game’ behaviour. They were, after all, rubbing the Citing system in the noses of administrators in full view of a high-profile Test match. And, dont forget, this in the immediate aftermath of Burgers finger-surgery.
I think all you fellas are still very sensitive to Gits getting away with that ‘tackle’ last season, that should have seen him banned. I think Gits will be penalised here, he certainly should be.
28 Apr 2010, 10:10 am
@Puma(Puma):
Stransky is a gitteau no doubt…
he always used to work the 95 WC into his commentaries saying… “When we played…” “When we won the WC…” etc
but the 2007 victory put paid to that… so now he’s just anti-SA…
what a git-ou…!!!
28 Apr 2010, 10:11 am
@Puma(Puma):
For sure, why not give John Vlismas or Mark Lottering a go !!!
28 Apr 2010, 10:12 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther): 83 – BP, Agree totally. WE have to have NEUTRAL refs. We both lived through the past watching the dreadful biased reffing from saffa refs against the ABs and vice versa, we got it back touring NZ against your refs.
Those days should be behind us and always NEUTRAL refs. I would go as far as having NH refs for the S15 next year.
28 Apr 2010, 10:12 am
@rossoneri(rossoneri):
Haha, remember you and Transie saying we wouldnt do it against the Blues. That was funny. This weekend we’ll take out the Bulls at Loftus
28 Apr 2010, 10:13 am
@ufo(ufo):
I didnt know that about Gits, but its not the first time Ive heard that threat. Pathetic really.
But please dont try to wash over the Justice4 BS as some subordinated crime. Its the worst thing Ive EVER seen taken ON to the field of play, and hopefully the last time we’ll ever see it.
28 Apr 2010, 10:15 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther): 81 – BP, Agree it was wrong, but we did pitch up to play and we got a fine for doing what we done. We got punished. Don’t think it will happen again.
Gits now needs to be suspended for a week. I tell you what if that was a saffa or kiwi that said that both would have had a week already in the cooler given to them.
28 Apr 2010, 10:16 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther): @ 89
no need to apologies BP…
never expected you to agree with us…
to me… protesting is one thing… threatening not play unless you get your own way is an entirely different and more petulant thing…
28 Apr 2010, 10:18 am
@ufo(ufo): 90 – ufo, We need some new commentators. With a bit of humour.
@Gonzo Journalism(Gonzo Journalism): 91 – hehehehe. Why not
28 Apr 2010, 10:21 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther):
@ 94
hey BP bud… you’ve misunderstood my intentions here… it was not to “wash over” the Justice 4 thing… it wasn’t the right thing to do IMO and the Boks should’ve handled it differently…
I merely brought it up to make the point that ALL our ANZAC friends and the IRB jumped on us big-time for bringing the game into disrepute…
details aside… Gitteau has just done the same thing and I think it’s an indictment of the IRB, the rugby press and the Aus and NZ unions that they haven’t condemned Gitteau’s behaviour…
28 Apr 2010, 10:24 am
Let me understand this:
1. The Ref is axed due to a poor performance…
2. The player is in trouble for saying number 1 should happen.
I don’t think there should be an open war of words on refs (by the players that is), but surely by axing the ref, you’re kind of admitting that the ref was indeed ****?
28 Apr 2010, 10:24 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther): 94 – BP, I see tickets are on sale for the Rugby WC. Have you got yours yet? I am looking. See we need to buy pool tickets to get a chance to buy semi final and final tickets.
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