Coetzee, Burger escape censure
2 Jun 2010
Stormers duo Allister Coetzee and Schalk Burger won’t face a hearing for slamming Super 14 final referee Craig Joubert.
The Stormers coach and captain both had an open go at Joubert following Saturday’s decider in Soweto. Burger complained that Joubert coached the Bulls, but penalised the Stormers at the breakdown, while Coetzee also lamented the official’s inconsistency.
Burger said he wouldn’t normally criticise a referee, but suggested that the criticism was justified. Saru manager of referees Andre Watson told this website on Monday that Joubert had blown the game fairly, and even supplied some statistics to support the referee.
Despite the Stormers’ outburst, Saru has decided not to refer the matter to Sanzar.
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2 Jun 2010, 15:45 pm
@gunther(gunther)-147:
Lol…..sharp , gunther…..sharp !!
2 Jun 2010, 15:47 pm
@gunther(gunther)-143:
I’m not from the gutter.
2 Jun 2010, 15:48 pm
@gunther(gunther)-143:
I see you are adopting all the Bulls mannerisms.
2 Jun 2010, 15:49 pm
As I’ve said before. The team is good, the supporters suck.
2 Jun 2010, 15:54 pm
now
saru has
done it
now we
can
never
ever again
complain
about the
gloves
ozzies
and kiwis
get treated
with
saru is
guilty
as charged
just like
that missing
link
called
sulk burger
should
have been
2 Jun 2010, 15:55 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-154:
stormers suck
their supporters
suck
2 Jun 2010, 15:57 pm
@Porra the Fat Speedster(Porra)-156:
maybe
but
you
suck
more
2 Jun 2010, 16:01 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-157:
nobody
sucks more
than a
stormer
supporter
and player
both on
the field
and in
the
dressing room
2 Jun 2010, 16:06 pm
@justrugby(justrugby)-144:
mate, you stormers may have never come last.
but they’ve done worse than that…..
one year they failed to even qualify 8)
2 Jun 2010, 16:10 pm
@charo(charo)-159:
Talking S14 Charo……S14 ……stop being nasty !!!
I’m sure you know how it feels I mean you guys played Sport Pienaar for about 90 years !!!
2 Jun 2010, 16:10 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-157: Have you entered the ladies only competition? DNKY?
2 Jun 2010, 16:14 pm
@justrugby(justrugby)-160:
hell, those days were harsh.
those bladdy purple people eaters always pipped us.
that’s why the cc final 1990 v ntvl was so sweet – watson you biscuit.
2 Jun 2010, 16:18 pm
LOL charo
That was the year after joseph’s technicolour dreamjersey….
I always thought missing a year of superrugby was the absolute minimum punishment for that sartorial faux pas…
2 Jun 2010, 16:19 pm
@charo(charo)-162:
LOl….remember that try well……was indeed a great day for the then Natal !!!
2 Jun 2010, 16:20 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-161:
Yes
2 Jun 2010, 16:21 pm
@Porra the Fat Speedster(Porra)-158: ok we get the point…stormers supporters suck…now get a fkking life you doos.
2 Jun 2010, 16:21 pm
@Porra the Fat Speedster(Porra)-158:
Nobody
sucks
more
than
porras
who
admit
they are
fat
and
can’t see
their
willies
2 Jun 2010, 16:22 pm
@gunther(gunther)-163:
Talking about the purple people eaters, remember eric Herbert, he came to Province , I think he lasted 3 games and “verlanged” for Welkom so much he went home !!!
How’s that ? Welkom over CT…..there’s a first !!!
2 Jun 2010, 16:24 pm
@gunther(gunther)-163:
It was ugly, even to us !!
2 Jun 2010, 16:24 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-167:
2 Jun 2010, 16:24 pm
@gunther(gunther)-163:
sartorial was hardly the word.
if i remember correctly, some colour blind designer tried to combine wp, boland and swd into one strip.
garish
in fact …. dare i say it….nauseating?
a bladdy good excuse to puke
2 Jun 2010, 16:25 pm
@scorpion(capestormer)-166:
Well that’s as direct as one can get !!
2 Jun 2010, 16:26 pm
@justrugby(justrugby)-168:
if i recall correctly, he came from kzn south coast originally.
obviously not your typical south coast boytjie poaching shad in the off season.
ok, 1st tee is calling and i am a bit late.
cheers
2 Jun 2010, 16:28 pm
@charo(charo)-171:
called the Western force then…….geez those jerseys were awful !
2 Jun 2010, 16:29 pm
@charo(charo)-173:
Never be late for a tee off…….simply not done !!!
Cheers !!
2 Jun 2010, 16:45 pm
LOL the western force sounds like a bad science fiction movie..
I remember eric the eel herbert he was like a third rate naas…
Man those Welkom sunsets are something..
2 Jun 2010, 16:53 pm
@gunther(gunther)-176:
Would not know, I made it my mission to pass through after dark !!
2 Jun 2010, 16:56 pm
@scorpion(capestormer)-166:
don’t forget
stormer
players
suck too
2 Jun 2010, 17:16 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-167:
no porra
cab be
that fat
maybe
your cuzzin
but he’s
no porra
the skinny
little runt
you have
no reason
to know
about your
cuzzin
2 Jun 2010, 21:15 pm
just watched the game again. stormers got coached plenty, what was interesting to see, that i didnt see first time round was how Sulk spoke to the ref. eish.
also the Strompies got away with a bunch of high tackles, especially in light of what Steyn got penalised for.
also how many times did Meisiekind and Jaco catch and hold Fourie & De Jongh up in a tackle? Fourie didnt get kak overnight. it was a massive defensive display from the Bulls midfield.
also januarie may be slow and fat, but he has a good pass. cant they work on his fitness? surely they must have the expertise for that?
2 Jun 2010, 21:20 pm
Du preez kicks, Pietersen fields, Moses tackles and rolls out teh way immediately. Steenkamp get there as moses is rolling away, is on his feet and grabs the ball, pietersen, lying on his side, holds onto the ball, steenkamp, on his feet wrestles for it, Sulk arrives, ref blows the penalty. rightly so, steenkamp had right to that ball, pietersen had opportunity to place but didnt, as there was no support.
Sulk swears at ref throws his hands up and walks away like Joubert just shagged his cat.
ridiculous
2 Jun 2010, 21:23 pm
i do agree that the Bekker turnaround penalty was ridiculous though.
2 Jun 2010, 21:29 pm
72 mins into the game, Moses monsters Grant in a massive tackle. did he use arms? Vermeulen covers, rucks over grant, grabs Moses, looks up for the ref and launches a headbutt at the back of Moses’ head. the fact that he misses is almost besides the point.
2 Jun 2010, 22:06 pm
How long are you 2ndrates going to whinge about getting your arses kicked (and deservedely so)you got beat accept it and get on with it,i mean there is always next year,and the next year, and the next year and the next year,maybe sometime in the next decade you might get to another final maybe even the vodacom cup final if you are a little bit lucky and you will probably get the bulls and they will klap you again.
2 Jun 2010, 22:49 pm
Various posters – Joubert went “nuts” against the Bulls in the last 10 minutes.
2 possibiliites. The Bulls started to get so cynical in their game that even he could not ignore what was going on. Schalk was getting in his ear – perhaps the communication eventually started getting through.
He would also have known that his stats were against the Stormers – very strongly so in fact. He would also have been aware at half time that he had made some blunders in the first half. Don’t for a moment think he wouldn’t have known that his defence would have been based around the stats that Watson put out later. Those last 10 minutes made this defecnce more credible.
I don’t think he cheated. I don’t think there was some grand conspiracy against the Stormers. I just think he was incompetant and made some bad decisions. There don’t have to be dozens – just a few key decisions on which the game turns. Those he certainly made.
I was hoping for a game where the referee wasn’t the talking point afterward. Where both sides could truly say – the best side on the day won. I was expecting hte Bulls to win and won my SuperBru pool by backing them. However, the way in which it was done – through no fault of their own, I might add – sticks in the craw.
When the ref stuffs up – as he did here – there shoould be clear communication that this happened – as was the case with Paul Marks earlier. It won’t change the result of course – that is in history now. But too many games this Super 14 have been strongly adversely affected by incompetant referees – most of them Australian, by the way – it would have been good for the final to be unsullied.
3 Jun 2010, 07:36 am
its a self fulfilling prophecy. “we just wanted a game where the ref wouldnt be a talking point afterwards”
****. if it wasnt the ref it would have been something else. the only talking point should be how the Stormers were completely dominated and committed too few players to the breakdown, causing them to get monstered. which told in the early stats.
thats how the Bulls have been playing all season, and in effect how the Stormers have played all season. applying pressure, causing the penalties to mount. the bulls were just better, and as some people couldnt handle that (read: Keo) the ref gets blamed.
SARU have released the stats from the game, but thats not good enough? nothing will be.
well done to the Stormers supporters who have manned up about the result. no ifs. buts, or maybes.
3 Jun 2010, 07:37 am
@Nartjie(Nartjie)-37: strange NARTJIE, I would have thought you would be far more supportive of Burger and Coetzee, seeing as what happened in the final proved you to be 100% correct.. ?? dont you recall saying before the game that Joubert would ref kak like he did?? now that it happens, you dont want anyone to talk about it?? you should be shouting from the roof tops that you were right, and CJ stuffed up the final.. or dont u like being right??
3 Jun 2010, 09:07 am
Matt Giteau got nailed for effectively calling Steve Walsh a c###. Despite overwhelming evidence that Giteau’s assessment of Walsh was accurate he still got fined and disciplined.
How Burger and Coetzee have avoided censure completely escapes me.
You cannot have players and coaches making statements of this nature to the press.
3 Jun 2010, 10:12 am
@mainland(mainland)-112: HAHAHA!!!!! Post of the week!!!
3 Jun 2010, 11:42 am
I still can’t believe this. Complete and utter bullsh1t! Both should have heavy fines.
4 Jun 2010, 01:19 am
The Cape Mafiosi took charge and viola! Schalkie and Allie go free. Corruption and Affirmative Action with one stone. It is high time to get rid of the spinelss Andre Watson.
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