The big debate
1 Jul 2010
Has Chiliboy Ralepelle become a political pawn?
YES
Ollie le Roux, former Springbok prop
‘I think it’s a disgrace that Chiliboy was selected for the Springbok Test against Wales, especially when you consider he only played 20 minutes of Super Rugby this season and is the third-choice hooker at the Bulls.
‘There are so many world-class hookers in South Africa at the moment, with John Smit, Bismarck du Plessis [who’s currently injured], Tiaan Liebenberg, Gary Botha, Adriaan Strauss and Bandise Maku all in great form. Chiliboy’s selection is disrespectful to those hookers who deserve a call-up, as well as to the Bok team.
‘It’s sad for Chiliboy because he obviously doesn’t pick himself, yet he’s the one who has to suffer the consequences.
‘Chiliboy was a great player at age-group level and is earmarked to be the next Bok skipper, but this can’t justify his selection for the Cardiff Test. I can’t even remember what he brings to the field because I never see him play. He needs to go to a union where he will be the first-choice hooker and can prove to people that he deserves to be in the Springbok team.’
NO
Robbie Kempson, former Springbok prop
‘Chiliboy’s selection for the Wales Test was criticised because of his lack of game time in the Super 14 but I didn’t have a problem with it. He’s been sidelined for a long time because of injuries, which has seen him drop below Gary Botha and Bandise Maku in the Bulls’ pecking order at hooker. But keeping him in the Bok mix will help with his development as a player and keep him exposed to the team structures.
‘Chiliboy will also learn from the best players in the country and have the guidance of the Bok coaching staff, who can explain exactly what they want from him. That’s the ideal mentoring an up-and-coming player needs.
‘Unfortunately, he will be under fire because people feel he hasn’t proved that he’s worth a Bok call-up. But if he can make a success out of it, he will win the respect of the public.
‘Chiliboy has to remain focused, work hard, and make the most of his opportunities. He’s a good player with plenty of potential, but he has to make the step up.’
– This article first appeared in the July issue of SA Rugby magazine
506 Comments
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1 Jul 2010, 09:56 am
500 plus post Dragon!
1 Jul 2010, 09:56 am
Maaaan *** Ollie Le Roux
1 Jul 2010, 09:57 am
Did someone say prawn ?
where is Wikus when we need him.
1 Jul 2010, 09:58 am
I wonder how much our Bok team will change year after year if we select solely on Super rugby form, and playing time achieved…
1 Jul 2010, 10:00 am
Without entering into the debate: Ollie? Really? After reading Smit’s book Ollie and his petty motives is the last person whose opinion Id attach any value to.
1 Jul 2010, 10:03 am
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-5:
What is going to be funny is to see how most Chili-haters, who also happen to be the most fierce Ollie haters (from experience), will have to bring themselves to agree with the Burger Man!!!
I am getting my popcorn.
1 Jul 2010, 10:04 am
Chilli should open a pawn shop.
1 Jul 2010, 10:08 am
I doubt it.
So my answer is no.
But must confess i have this niggling thought but won’t give it wings…
1 Jul 2010, 10:09 am
With Ollie & Kempson involved any debate is a ‘big’ debate.
1 Jul 2010, 10:10 am
@racheltjiedebeer(racheltjiedebeer)-7:
Yeah, I wonder how much he’d give for Ollie?
1 Jul 2010, 10:18 am
Who cares?
1 Jul 2010, 10:20 am
Ollie is just worried Chilli will take away his record for most caps won off the bench.
1 Jul 2010, 10:21 am
By Kempson’s reasoning shouldn’t Maku then get the same mentoring advantage as Chiliboy? You can’t give such a benefit to the one and not the other.
1 Jul 2010, 10:27 am
@Katsesnor(Katsesnor)-13:
These ‘debates’ are more like those school debates we used to have.
The teacher (magazine in this instance) picks a topic, picks two pupils (rugby pundits friendly to the magazine in this instance) and tells the one you are pro the topic, and the other anti and they are asked to state a case…
1 Jul 2010, 10:27 am
Chilli the new Shimange???
1 Jul 2010, 10:28 am
I met some of his former school team mates and they were sure that he is the real deal.
Plenty of commitment and talent.
But yes
is the answer IMHO as both Bismarck and Liebeneberg outplayed him THIS YEAR(this will change as hookers tend to get more power as they get older).
This is where it is interesting as if he was left to develop on his own, within 2 years he has enough ability to crack it.
They have pushed him too soon and given him too much “nudge”. This is what killed the very talented “Rose” but as we can see Chili is better player than Rose as he has not choked but gone on to play better.
Go Boy, worked harder to prove yourslef!!!!!
1 Jul 2010, 10:29 am
What’s to debate?
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-6:
Ollie and I may agree that gravity exists too, but that doesn’t mean I suddenly have to become a fan of his.
As for the issue at hand, think a bit deeper, folks.
Ollie is a free agent, he can speak his mind.
Kempson, on the other hand, has a Supersport “commentating” contract to think about. Of COURSE he cannot be honest.
Is there a single Supersport commentator or studio guest who EVER speaks out on the quota issue? Even the usually outspoken John Robbie dances around the issue.
Open your eyes, gentlemen.
1 Jul 2010, 10:30 am
The moment you move away from merit only selection you have the problem that you will be giving a gift of great value to one person amongst many equally “non-entitled” to it.
1 Jul 2010, 10:30 am
Join the dots …… PdV favourite ….. (no, not fat Ricky) …… Barney …… went to school at PBHS …… a few years before …… yes, you got it. Both were Headboy me thinks (but I stand to be corrected).
It cannot be purely political. If it were then Maku would get a shot ahead of Chilli.
1 Jul 2010, 10:33 am
Ollie go eat a Burger!
1 Jul 2010, 10:34 am
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-14: So true. But this is how they crank up the volume – and hits – here
1 Jul 2010, 10:36 am
There is no justification for Chili’s inclsion other than further “enfranchisement” on the basis of skin colour…
Before selection:
No form
No game time
Third in pecking order for his Club
Probably fifth or sixth in the pecking order for country…
Anyone should get better a if placed in a good setup – deserve to be there on anything other than a dubious link to previous disenfranchisement…NO.
To have attended Pretoria Boys High must mean a player has been really disadvantaged…
1 Jul 2010, 10:38 am
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-14: when is the opportune time to cut one’s losses on an investment again?
What factors need to be considered?
Can you please run that theory past us futhi
1 Jul 2010, 10:41 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-23:
I am afraid I will be labelled a PDV cheerleader again since I will consider that from a coach’s point of view…
1 Jul 2010, 10:43 am
chilli is a quota X10 00 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 00 0 0 0 0
1 Jul 2010, 10:44 am
Did Ollie Le Roux deserve to play over 50 tests for the Boks??
1 Jul 2010, 10:47 am
@wpw(wpw)-26: Ollie, though a cnut he was and is, was not 5th or sixth in line for his position when selected…
1 Jul 2010, 10:53 am
I really don’t understand what all the fuss is about. Chilli is 3rd in line after Smit and Bissie, so Tiaan or Gary would be a stopgap measure whilst Bissie is injured. Looking post 2011, Chilli is a better investment than either Tiaan or Gary.
1 Jul 2010, 10:54 am
@David(David)-28:
Shhhhht…
Logic doesn’t have a place here.
1 Jul 2010, 10:55 am
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-29: LOL!!!
1 Jul 2010, 10:55 am
Ollie’s a plonker, but he’s right.
1 Jul 2010, 10:56 am
I hope not Chilli equals Wynand Olivier try scoring streak during this 3N
1 Jul 2010, 10:56 am
David .. then surely a guy like Duvenhage or Jano Vermaak would be a better investment for the future than old stopgap January?
1 Jul 2010, 10:56 am
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-29:
Looking pre 2011, Chilli is a beter investment than Gary. Full stop
1 Jul 2010, 10:56 am
@David(David)-28:
no
he is
third
in line
after
botha
and maku
at the
bulls
and
maybe
eighth
in line
for the
bokke
1 Jul 2010, 10:58 am
To quote Ryan Vrede, “There was also an agreement between the Bulls’ and Bok managements to give him game time in the Vodacom Cup”
Heyneke and Chilli chatted pre s14 about it. It was felt best for him to get game time considering his absence from playing 80 minutes of rugga in the last few years.
This 3rd choice thing is a load of bollocks created by journo’s to create hype.
1 Jul 2010, 10:58 am
Ollie’s arse is septic due to the splinters in it! Thus he talking such kaka
1 Jul 2010, 10:59 am
@Bod(bod)-34:
Pre- or post?
@Doppies_better_than_De_jongh(suffer_guy)-33:
Neither of them has been in the Bok setup before.
There is a lot more to weigh up than just the obvious.
1 Jul 2010, 11:01 am
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-38:
Both…. anything, anytime
1 Jul 2010, 11:01 am
@Oubaas2009(Oubaas2009)-36:
no
it was
created
by the
bulls
and only
reported
by the
media
chilli
is the
number three
hooker
in the
bulls setup
2010
1 Jul 2010, 11:02 am
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-29:
1 Jul 2010, 11:03 am
Ollie is a dim wit, rent a quote. No doubt he will be propping up the bar at the Mystic Boer tonight regaling stories to the locals of that one time he kicked a conversion in the S12.
He put the splint in splinters.
1 Jul 2010, 11:05 am
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-38:
then
olivier
surely must
rate
before
de jong
using
that logic
1 Jul 2010, 11:05 am
@Porra the Fat Speedster(Porra)-40: I never knew Ollie was a porra?
1 Jul 2010, 11:06 am
chili is a far better long term prospect than the guys he is ahead of like tiaan and gary.
tiaan and gary will not play at the 2010 wc unless smit and biz are unavailable therefore they are not being considered at present AS LONG TERM OPTIONS.
chili is 23?
the debate around him mirrors the debate around smit throughout his career and i have to LMAO when i consider how that turned out (i sit back and picture a night in 2007 in france, england players standing around dejected, boks grinning and smitty holding bill up for the world to see).
p.s. chili has certainly not disgraced himself this year against france and wales (and italy).
1 Jul 2010, 11:06 am
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-24: you, perturbed by labels? I would’ve never thought.
Tacitus defends most blue bulls players bar chiliboy, i wonder why?
1 Jul 2010, 11:06 am
@Porra the Fat Speedster(Porra)-43:
He should.
I agree.
1 Jul 2010, 11:06 am
@Doppies_better_than_De_jongh(suffer_guy)-33:
The situation is different. Chili is 3rd in line, Ricky 2nd. But I agree that we need to start looking for a new scrummie now for post 2011, as I doubt whether FdP or Ricky will be around.
1 Jul 2010, 11:07 am
not that
ollie
is a
sharp tool
let’s
forget
who said
what
chilli
is a
political
pawn
in a
political
porn show
1 Jul 2010, 11:07 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-46: Because he is not a merit selection…?
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