Tri-Nations latest (Thurs)
22 Jul 2010
Keo.co.za brings you the news from the Tri-Nations.
Monty wants to bin the boot
Springboks kicking coach Percy Montgomery has called for a more ball in hand approach against Australia.
‘I want us to kick less against the Wallabies and carry the ball more. The kicks will also have to be a lot better than has been the case up to now,’ said Montgomery.
‘The second week [in Wellington] was much better. We pointed it out to the players after the Test in Auckland and the statistics from the second Test shows how much better we were. The last thing the players should have done was to kick the ball away. And that’s precisely what we did.’
‘The chase of the kick is just as important and that is another area in which I expect a major improvement. It cannot be measured by statistics. It’s an attitude and I’m happy that we are improving. We could get away with it against Italy, but not against the All Blacks. We have to go back to the basics.’
Wallabies make late change
Matt Hodgson will miss the Wallabies’ Tri-Nations opener against the Springboks in Brisbane on Saturday because of a groin injury.
The Western Force flanker, who was named on the bench, suffered a minor groin strain in training on Tuesday and was ruled out after the injury worsened on Thursday. Hodgson will be replaced by Force team-mate Ben McCalman amongst the reserves.
Boks take ref frustrations to Sanzar
South African Rugby Union president Oregan Hoskins has instructed the Springboks’ representative on the SANZAR legal committee, Judge Lex Mpati, to look into the matter of perceived inconsistencies in the application of the laws.
‘A number of stakeholders have complained to me about the lack of consistency in the rulings of the judicial officials in rugby,’ Hoskins said.
‘I have stressed to Judge Mpati the seriousness of the matter, and he has promised that he will come back to me in writing hopefully by next week. I don’t want to say too much further, as previously I have spoken about the issue in the media and nothing has been done about it.’
Tickets to go on sale in Soweto
Tickets for the historic Tri-Nations clash at the National Stadium will go on sale in Soweto on Monday.
The Golden Lions Rugby Union are the official hosts for the South Africa vs New Zealand fixture, which was originally planned to take place at Ellis Park. 5 000 tickets will be available from 09:00 on Monday, 26 July, sold for R100 on a first-come-first-served basis.
Buyers will be limited to four tickets per customer. These tickets will only be available at Sowetan outlets.
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22 Jul 2010, 08:51 am
@gunther(gunther)-47: lol slow day here at Keo…
22 Jul 2010, 08:52 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-39:
this ‘seems’ t be pretty clear evidence… would be interested to hear from the Aus/Kiwi guys why they decided to exclude Burger…
22 Jul 2010, 08:52 am
Oh dear, this is from New Zealand Rugby Heaven site.
Springboks take moans to Sanzar
By DUNCAN JOHNSTONE – Stuff
The Springboks are taking their complaints to an official level with the South African union asking Sanzar to look into what they clearly feel is a bias against Peter de Villiers’ side by the judicial system.
The two match ban on Jean de Villiers for a dangerous tackle on top of Bakkies Botha’s nine-week ban for head-butting has raised the anger of the South Africans after a tough two weeks in New Zealand where they lost both Tri-Nations tests to the All Blacks.
South African Rugby Union boss Oregan Hoskins has instructed the Springboks’ representative on the Sanzar legal committee, Judge Lex Mpati, to look into the matter.
“On the judicial side, I have asked Judge Mpati to take it up,” Hoskins told the Cape Times newspaper.
“A number of stakeholders have complained to me about the lack of consistency in the rulings of the judicial officials in rugby.
“I have stressed to Judge Mpati the seriousness of the matter, and he has promised that he will come back to me in writing hopefully by next week.
“I don’t want to say too much further, as previously I have spoken about the issue in the media and nothing has been done about it.”
Jean de Villiers wasn’t penalised for the tackle on Rene Ranger during the Wellington test by referee Alain Rolland, but was cited afterwards by the Australian citing commissioner Scott Nowland.
The Boks are angry that nothing was done against Ranger for an earlier ”no-arms” tackle against their fullback Zane Kirchner.
The world champions were also vocal in their assumption that All Blacks captain Richie McCaw was getting away with too much at the breakdowns, believing he should have been yellow-carded at the Cake Tin.
Coach de Villiers vented his frustration after the match by suggesting he was considering coaching his team to “cheat” on the field after struggling with refereeing inconsistencies over the first six tests of their latest campaign.
“As a coach, you don’t want to coach your team to cheat, but maybe that is something we are going to have to consider,” he said.
South African Rugby’s manager of referees, Andre Watson, did not want to comment on Rolland’s performance in Wellington,
“I looked at the ref, and he made some brilliant decisions and some not-so-good decisions,” Watson said.
“I can’t say if the Boks got a raw deal from the referee because if I do say that that is the case, then South Africa will love me and the rest of the world will hate me, and if I don’t feel that way, it will be the other way around.”
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22 Jul 2010, 08:54 am
@ufo(ufo)-49:
relax bru he was yanking your chain.
are you wearing your cape and your undies over your jean pant today?
22 Jul 2010, 08:54 am
@RugbyRulz(RugbyRulz)-53:
At lease the Australian version of RugbyHeaven tidied up the heading
‘Springboks take referees woes to SANZAR’
22 Jul 2010, 08:54 am
@ufo(ufo)-49: Hey dude, from what I’ve read here, most people agree with me and even stormersboy said “I tend to find that Maytham interviews his subjects with a view of furthering a specfic opinion. Don’t find him to be particularly impartial.” Basically that he is part of the Cape media circus that surrounds rugby down there.
Anyway, old Ori was part of the Sharks. Why what’s wrong with him?
22 Jul 2010, 08:57 am
@RugbyRulz(RugbyRulz)-53: Hectic, why doesn’t it mention the judicial exclusion of Freek?
22 Jul 2010, 08:57 am
@RugbyRulz(RugbyRulz)-55:
actually its a missprint it should read
Springboks take referee poesto SANZAR.
22 Jul 2010, 08:59 am
just to brighten up your day.
Dog wanted me to have *** with it – accused
21 July | 12:25
By Shellee Geduld
A Cape Town man has appeared in court for allegedly having *** with his neighbour’s poodle.
Anthony Julies appeared in the Wynberg Magistrate’s Court yesterday where he faces charges of bestiality.
The charges relate to an incident in June this year when the Lavender Hill man’s neighbour claimed he witnessed the man having *** with his little pet.
A source close to the investigation reveals that police believe Julies, 47, may have been high on drugs at the time of the alleged incident.
“He did this in front of his neighbour and he didn’t even try to stop when his neighbours told him to,” says the source.
“According to the witnesses, the suspect told them to leave him alone when they tried to stop him.
“He said he must finish because he couldn’t start and then stop because that wasn’t right.”
The source says Julies allegedly also told cops that the little dog wanted him to have *** with it.
“He allegedly also said that the dog mustn’t flaunt herself like that to him,” says the source.
22 Jul 2010, 09:00 am
@gunther(gunther)-54: Don’t ruin all my fun!
Some more Meatloaf spoofs please, the last one was a classic.
22 Jul 2010, 09:01 am
@gunther(gunther)-58: Hehehe!
22 Jul 2010, 09:01 am
@gunther(gunther)-54:
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-56:
maytham did not say it… this is what Hoskins said…
i mention that he’s from the sharks because of the irony of you saying you don’t trust anything from the cape but the words came directly out of hoskins mouth… and yes, i did hear it with my own ears, as did dawn and many other listeners…
22 Jul 2010, 09:03 am
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-57:
I have no idea, I logged on to catch up on news and read it on Rugbyheaven (Oz version) and noticed it was written by a New Zealand journo, so I checked the article on the NZ site. I am as clueless as everyone else. We shall have to wait to see what unfolds.
@gunther(gunther)-58:
Yes the different wording for the heading made me cringe. We all know a protest is a moan but do we print that? I do not think it proper.
22 Jul 2010, 09:05 am
@ufo(ufo)-62: What exactly did he say? I don’t see any Freek Burger/Who-ever-you-said mentioned in the NZ article.
22 Jul 2010, 09:06 am
John smit was supposedly tackled in a horizontal manner and then let go…his fat comforting the hard thump from 30 cm. Thorn got 1 week plus his 10 minutes in the bin.
JDV was still holding his tackle and looked somewhat more dangerous than Smits but JDV was not sent off. He gets a 2 maqtch ban because he was not santioned on the field.
This is consistent if you compare smits/thorn tackle and Jdv’s/?? tackle.
What are the saffas complaining about??
PDV is distracting from his poor performances. I notice he is talking hogwash again like he did in 2008…it must be the pressure from poor results!!
22 Jul 2010, 09:07 am
Why don’t you grow a pair Andre Watson?
And you wonder why we refer to you lot as an old boys club protecting one another no matter what???
22 Jul 2010, 09:08 am
@ufo(ufo)-62:
Don’t let that one eyed, one finned Guppie get to you……he can only see and swim in one direction…..take pity on the poor sod !!!
22 Jul 2010, 09:09 am
right where’s that poodle..
22 Jul 2010, 09:10 am
@wallabie.(wallabie.)-65:
For a commissioner to cite there are two things you should consider;
* The action he cites should have warranted a Red Card in play if picked up by officials.
* SANZAR citing commissioners have to run their possible citings between all three country’s appointed citing managers or officials before proceeding.
In both cases, this was not done or did not warrant a citing.
(As did Ranger’s incident BTW, no citing necessary).
22 Jul 2010, 09:10 am
@gunther(gunther)-59: WTF!
22 Jul 2010, 09:12 am
Remember this:
Craig Joubert was awful in the Super 14 final, writes Keo in his Business Day column.
“Stormers captain Schalk Burger was diplomatic in applauding the champion Bulls, but it doesn’t get more crass at a televised politically correct post-match interview when a captain says the two teams played to two different sets of rules at the breakdown. It was an up-yours to Joubert, and rightly so.”
“I challenge Joubert and those who appointed him to take me (and Schalk, if he wants to be there) through the tape at the South African Rugby Union’s offices and explain the breakdown interpretation, and what it means to place the ball and to smother it and infringe.”
Then a few months later:
MARK KEOHANE writes the only thing sadder than the Boks’ two-Test performance in New Zealand was the whinge that followed.
Unbelievable. He moans when it suits him (when the Stormers lose – fairly). I mean what Keo says in the 1st article directly responds with the 2nd test!
22 Jul 2010, 09:15 am
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-70:
genuine article.
don’t you love
“He said he must finish because he couldn’t start and then stop because that wasn’t right.”
The source says Julies allegedly also told cops that the little dog wanted him to have *** with it.
“He allegedly also said that the dog mustn’t flaunt herself like that to him,” says the source.
special!
22 Jul 2010, 09:17 am
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-64:
i didn’t write the article… go and ask the writer of the article why…
look i did not record the conversation… but if you would like to you can contact cape talk 567 and ask them for the transcripts of the conversation…
as memoery serves he said, it’s not just about the onfield incidents… it’s also about the fact that the agreed to process of discussing any citings between the three commissioners was not carried out… the other two commissioners went ahead and cited JdV without even contacting Freek Burger…
i may not have the words 100% correct… but that was the gist of it… and if you choose not to believe it… i don’t really care…
ask for the transcripts…
22 Jul 2010, 09:18 am
@justrugby(justrugby)-67:
hey JR…
all’s cool… thanks…
22 Jul 2010, 09:20 am
@gunther(gunther)-59:
This ain’t Die SON.
22 Jul 2010, 09:20 am
@wallabie.(wallabie.)-65: From news24:
Tackle a Thorn in Smit’s groin
2008-07-05 16:57
Wellington – Captain John Smit said he injured his groin in the Brad Thorn spear-tackling incident that the Springbok management are considering laying a complaint about with the citing commissioner after the 19-8 defeat to the All Blacks in Wellington on Saturday.
Even though Thorn almost immediately apologised to Smit after his late, off-the-ball tackle, Springbok national teams manager Andy Marinos intimated that that may not be the final word on the matter.
“We’ll have another look at the video and then make a call over whether we will cite or not. It’s a bit premature to say anything now because there’s still a lot of emotion and we haven’t met yet,” Marinos said at the post-match press conference.
Referee Stuart Dickinson had just blown his whistle to penalise flank Adam Thomson for a high tackle on Springbok fullback Conrad Jantjes when Thorn picked up Smit and dumped him on the ground at the side of the ruck.
But with the Test just six minutes old, Dickinson lacked the courage to card the All Black lock and South Africa had to be content with a Butch James penalty.
22 Jul 2010, 09:20 am
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-69:
To remain consistent..thorn was sent off for 10 minutes and given a one match ban. He was given a one match ban as he was cited.
Do you say JDv does not deserve any citing regardless of procedure? it seems you are implying it!!
Thorns tackle on smit is less dangerous than JDV’s and most saffas on this site were calling for a stiffer penalty for thorn!
Is this now different since it is a bok being sanctioned post match?
22 Jul 2010, 09:26 am
@ufo(ufo)-73: Thanks for your version of the conversation. Sorry if it offends, but I’ll reserve judgment till I read the whole issue in the wider press. Sorry your Oregan said what-his-name Freek-someone account doesn’t really fill me with confidence.
22 Jul 2010, 09:28 am
@wallabie.(wallabie.)-77:
Thorne was not sent off, point one.
And yes, and off the ball, after the whistle, spear dump is more dangerous.
22 Jul 2010, 09:29 am
@wallabie.(wallabie.)-78: As I said in my other posts. Some differences:
Thorn’s tackle was after the whistle.
Thorn’s tackle was off the ball.
Thorn DID not receive ANY card and in fact since Thomson was already penalised, there was zero action against him.
So how then does JdV get 2 weeks and Thoen 1?
22 Jul 2010, 09:29 am
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-79:
Was Thorne cited???
22 Jul 2010, 09:31 am
for the record… again…
i really don’t believe that any REFs are biased or cheats or out to get us…
but as i said when bakkies mounted cowan… we… SA… used to have a reputation of being dirty players… John Smit acknowledged this and said it was sad that the work done to clean up our game and name from 2004 is being undone…
but with bakkies, burger and others being pinged for dirty (sometimes digusting) play it is only natural for refs to feel they need to watch us more closely because we are more likely to get up to dirty play…
more than the incidents… what pees me off is that our image and reputation goes down the tubes because of such incidents…
and we can’t blame the refs… we have only ourselves to blame for condoning such acts in the past…
the two citing commissioners deciding to exclude the saffa commissioner though, is another thing entirely… and i have to admit i find it VERY disturbing… because unlike a ref having to act in an instant… these guys have a made a conscious decision and reached an agreement between them to go against their declared procedure and exclude one of their group…
22 Jul 2010, 09:34 am
OFF THE TOPIC…. Sorry about it being in Afrikaans. The SOUTHERN KINGS PLAYS Superrugby. JJ Harmse writes:
Die Southern Kings kan reeds in 2013 Superrugby speel.
In ’n verrassende wending sal die Oos-Kaapse span egter nie een van sy vyf Suid-Afrikaanse eweknieë hoef te vervang om dit te kan doen nie, aangesien die Super15-reeks oor drie jaar ’n Super16-reeks word.
Die Kings sal dan die sesde Suid-Afrikaanse span wees wat in die reeks meeding.
Sport24 het betroubaar verneem dat dié stap, wat vandeesweek deur Suid-Afrika voorgestel is op ’n vergadering van die drie Sanzar-lande, in beginsel deur Nieu-Seeland en Australië aanvaar is.
’n Werkkomitee sal die fyner besonderhede van dié voorgenome stap finaliseer.
Die insluiting van die Kings, wat in die Suid-Afrikaanse streekgroep sal speel, kan beteken dat dié land sowat twee weke vroeër as gewoonlik met sy Superrugby-verpligtinge sal begin.
Dié nuus sal beslis deur die Kings verwelkom word.
Hulle veg reeds ’n hele paar jaar om erkenning as ’n Superrugby-span, maar moes telkens **** dat hul deelname uitgestel word. Die Kings kan nou met groter sekerheid voortgaan om hul spelerpoel te vergroot en met borge begin onderhandel.
Die jongste ontwikkeling is ook goeie nuus vir SA Rugby.
Hy het ’n onderneming aan die regering gegee om die Oos-Kaap in die hoofstroom van rugby in te bring en sal met dié stap sy belofte gestand doen.
Die Super15-reeks van 2011 begin met spanne van die onderskeie lande wat eers onderling in derbies teen mekaar speel voordat oorsese teenstanders aangedurf word.
Die Bulls, die Stormers, die Lions, die Cheetahs en die Sharks sal mekaar twee keer op ’n tuis en weg-grondslag aandurf, terwyl dieselfde in Nieu-Seeland en Australië sal gebeur.
In 2013, met die Kings ook betrokke, kan dit gebeur dat drie Superrugby-derbies per naweek gespeel word.
- Die Kings se uitvoerende hoof, Stephan Pretorius, het enkele maande gelede nog daarop aangedring dat dié Suidoos-Kaapse franchise volgende jaar Super-rugby moet speel, skryf Michael Green.
Daar was aan die begin van die jaar sprake in SA Rugby se geledere dat die Kings later vanjaar aan ’n Europese reeks sou deelneem.
Daarvan het tot dusver niks gekom nie.
Ook nie van praatjies dat die Kings minstens vriendskaplike wedstryde oorsee sou speel nie
22 Jul 2010, 09:40 am
@UnbeataBULL(UnbeataBULL)-83:
PlanetRugby dot com have an English version for those interested…. as follows:
Myth or truth this time? Only time will tell, but the Southern Kings have once again been linked with a Super Rugby expansion.
This time it is believed that the Super 15 will become 16 in 2013, according to the Sydney Morning Herald, with the proposal apparently accepted by all three SANZAR nations at a recent meeting.
It’s not yet clear how the team would fit into the country conference system, but it could be that South African teams play one match more and start their campaign a little earlier than Australia and New Zealand.
If true – and this is something that has been supposed to happen several times now – SARU will be off the hook frm its government, to whom the union has undertaken to provide South Africa’s Eastern Cape with top-flight rugby.
The Super 15 of 2011 starts with teams from the respective countries first participating in derbies against one another before taking on overseas opponents.
With the Kings’ expected involvement in 2013, it may mean that three Super rugby derbies are played per weekend in South Africa.
There was talk at SARU that the Kings may participate in a European competition later this year. Nothing has come of that, nor have any of the mooted friendly matches against international opponents materialised, bar the clash with the touring Lions a year ago. There’s only so many times you can cry wolf.
22 Jul 2010, 09:41 am
What intrigues me, is why SARU didn’t lodge a complaint with the citing commission against Ranger.
22 Jul 2010, 09:42 am
@David(David)-85:
SA Rugby has the option to bring the incident to the attention of the citing commissioner.
However, it is the citing commissioner’s sole discretion whether to officially cite the player or not, not the team’s.
22 Jul 2010, 09:43 am
@ufo(ufo)-83: Spot-on
22 Jul 2010, 09:44 am
@gunther(gunther)-68:
HA !
atleast, this time, the poodle wasnt procured from a doggie-morgue.
22 Jul 2010, 09:46 am
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-79:
spear dump???…horizontal dump…without rose coloured glasses!
22 Jul 2010, 09:46 am
@wallabie.(wallabie.)-89:
22 Jul 2010, 09:47 am
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-86:
I realise that, which is why I said “complaint”, but nothing was done. I have a suspicion that they were worried that if they complained about Ranger, de Villiers would be found guilty, which happened anyway.
22 Jul 2010, 09:48 am
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-76:
Smit carried that same injury in to the match. Yet another pathetic ruse to cover up team inadequacies. Smit nursed that same injury throughout his season for Clermont, where he flew in from for the match. Ledesma started every match in previous months due to Smits injury.
22 Jul 2010, 09:48 am
@wallabie.(wallabie.)-65: thorn was never sent off, dickenson just spoke to him, no card was issued, just a correction….
22 Jul 2010, 09:51 am
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-79:
whether or not the tackle happened “off the ball, after the whistle” does NOT make it “more dangerous”.
Thorn had no control of Smit after lifting and then dropping him. JdV still had his arms through Rangers legs as he hit the ground with his NECK.
What seems to be the problem here – perhaps its the SARU who is right and we are all wrong but I could have sworn JdV entered a GUILTY plea ?!
22 Jul 2010, 09:52 am
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-80:
Regardless when the tackle was during the game…any tackle deemed as horizontal or passed horizontal is a sanctionable offence and can be a citeable offence if not sanctioned on the field.
If Smit tackle is deemed as dangerous then at the very least JDV fits in that category. JDV in reality misses one game…what are you complaining about.
Consistency suggests that the correct decision was made.
Yet saffas were demanding that Thorn get punished further…then JDV fits that bill as well.
Why does it change now that a bok is sanctioned.
22 Jul 2010, 09:53 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-93:
No worries!!
My mistake.
22 Jul 2010, 09:53 am
Holy moley! Thorn’s angry dump of Smit was wayyy back in 2008. Let it go! Nobody’s re-litigating any or all of armless Butch’s litany of shoulder-charges, are they? We’re over it.
22 Jul 2010, 09:54 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-93: Whats that got to do with the citing process?
@wallabie.(wallabie.)-90: De Villiers gets a raw deal
Sanzar rulings leave Boks with lots of questions
Jul 19, 2010 12:27 AM | By Craig Ray
The consistency of Sanzar judicial hearings was again put in the spotlight yesterday after Springbok wing Jean de Villiers was handed a two-week suspension for a dangerous tackle during Saturday’s 31-17 Tri-Nations loss to New Zealand in Wellington.
De Villiers tipped All Black wing Rene Ranger over in the 27th minute of the match although he didn’t drive him into the ground. Ranger was unhurt and played on, but judicial officer Dennis Wheelahan still handed down the suspension.
Wheelahan presided over a hearing in 2008 when All Black lock Brad Thorn ended Springbok captain John Smit’s Tri-Nations by picking him up and dumping him on his back.
Despite clear video evidence highlighting the danger of the tackle, Thorn received a one-week suspension for “unsportsmanlike conduct” for what was a far worse incident than De Villiers’s transgression.
Wheelahan also implied that De Villiers escaped a lengthier ban because of his unblemished disciplinary record and because he pleaded guilty. Thorn could hardly be accused of an unblemished disciplinary record, yet his suspension was half the length of De Villiers’s ban because the incident was downgraded from a “dangerous tackle” to “unsportsmanlike conduct”.
22 Jul 2010, 09:55 am
I love Prince Charmings theory about “kick less, run more”.
What next – square wheels ?
22 Jul 2010, 09:55 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-88:
Rude.
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