Boks woes continue
25 Jul 2010
Jaque Fourie has been suspended for four weeks for a dangerous tackle on Richard Brown.
The Springbok centre will miss two Currie Cup matches and the third Tri-Nations Test against the All Blacks at the National Stadium (formerly Soccer City) on August 21.
Fourie is the third Springbok in as many weeks to be suspended for foul play, and it is his second suspension in succession for a dangerous tackle after copping the same ban in 2009 for spear tackling Ma’a Nonu.
Meanwhile, Australia flyhalf Quade Cooper has been forced to sit out for two weeks, also for a dangerous tackle on Morne Steyn. He misses Saturday’s Test against the All Blacks as well as the one in Christchurch in a fortnight.
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26 Jul 2010, 04:57 am
@money_man(money_man)-449:
The Three blind mice………….. say no more!
26 Jul 2010, 05:03 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-450:
No lemons from me dude, I picked the Ozzies to make it 3-0 on this trip.
I think the anger (if you want to call it that, cause it is only a game) has to be directed at the coach and the senior leaders in the team at this stage……….however, we will bounce back when some of the injured boys come back and hopefully snor selects players in their prefered positions and leaves out his pet projects…….one can only hope anyway.
Jacque Fourie, Habbanna, Burger, Kanko, Plod, Pienaar and Aplon all from the coast.
26 Jul 2010, 05:10 am
@whatever(whatever)-452: I know, wasnt talking about you mate, just happened to be on the end of that comment..
people like Cab, Heavens game etc… their team has taken a hiding, yet all they talk about is NZs failure at NEXT years WC etc… HG even being gracious enough to continue his xenophobic tirade, even after disappearing for 3 weeks like nothings happened… talk about delusional..
how gracious of them to be concerned about NZ, when they should be concentrating all their efforts to see why their team has played 3 games, and lost by a score of 30 or more in each game? surely World Champions (well teams that deserve that tag) shouldnt lose that badly??
just a thought!!
26 Jul 2010, 05:17 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-453:
Take your point, but you have to win a WC to then be in a position to be judged
By they same token we could say that the No1 side in the world lost 3-0 last year, ……..in a row. And a loss is a loss, no matter by how many points.
Also, not to be nit picky, but we never lost by 30, but yes they were bad tho
26 Jul 2010, 05:21 am
THETACKLER,I hope your views are sometimes tongue-in-cheek comments.IF you ever played any form of serious rugby yourself ,then you should know that other players or teams don’t “scare” you.You want to play the big guns.What worth is a trophy on the shelf if you “stole” it.In the same way the ABs are not scared of us the reverse is true.There is no spectacle in Rugby worth more to watch than Boks/ABS.The Boks are shocking at the moment but anyone thinking it will stay like this needs Serequel. We could however do with a Robbie Deans.That would make life a lot easier.We have the players but not the coaches.Look what Eddie did for us.
26 Jul 2010, 05:27 am
@whatever(whatever)-454: lost BY A SCORE OF 30 or more..
32-12
31-14
30-13
not a difference of however many, but by a score of 30 or more..
(avg 31 per game)
yep, winning a 4week tournament held every 4 years is a true indication of world dominance… what a laugh… but in this world of instant gratification, seems the young uns like Cab and HG will fall back on it time and again, its the only positive stat in their favour :wink”
26 Jul 2010, 05:40 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-456:
Had 30 points posted against them, yes, I got that, but we never “lost by 30 or more”…… it’s just English, not a major….
Ok, so the WC is no big deal……….why does the whole of NZ then make out otherwise?
Hey, our boys are losing now………..yours were last year, swings and roundabouts………..enjoy the moment cause you can bet your last $ we will be back.
One thing I promise I will not do tho, is when they do bounce back………I won’t be running around looking for people to have a dig at…..cut and paste for next year
26 Jul 2010, 05:56 am
@whatever(whatever)-457: it is just english, but youll see Im right when I say you guys lost by 30 points…
actually, you guys lost by 30 to 13 against the Aussies, the rest were even bigger..
why do we , NZ place importance on winning the world cup?
1. we want to be the first team that will defend that title for 4 years INBETWEEN world cups
2. because we get sick of every OTHER team devaluing test rugby in the 4 years between WCs as “building for the WC” (special mention to Big Hit)
I know your boys will be back, but to be thinking about the world cup when there is still so much rugby before that tournament (whereby teams and players representing can change dramatically) is like Bekker with his mistress..
premature
Im only giving it to those bloggers who have been most vocal since last years 3Ns… as you say, swings and roundabouts… just remember though, a lot of those guys deserve it, even the “journos”..
NZ Rugby is k@k ring any bells?
hence the come uppance is truly deserved..
26 Jul 2010, 06:14 am
@optiplay(optiplay)-455: The Boks would be happy to buy the Webb Ellis Cup by fair means or foul. A gold watch for the ref, a food poisoning Suzie for the opponents. Hardly surprising with a gene-pool which produced a Hansie Cronje.
26 Jul 2010, 06:15 am
Ages of Bok tight 5 come WC11
Victor 34
Danie 33
Smit 33
Bakkies 32
BJ 31
Cuthro 30
The numbers don’t lie – boeytjies getting a few yards slow around the park – might explain why we’ve been out bossed at the contact point over the past 3 weeks????
26 Jul 2010, 06:17 am
@dive-pass(dive-pass)-460: And also great contact area coaching/systems by NZ and OZ
26 Jul 2010, 06:20 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-458:
Fair enough……..you obviously know it will come back in tens when you cop a loss again…….
A little arrogant to think that IF you win the WC again you will “defend it” (ie not lose once) in the next four years, not so?
I mean, lucky you did not win in 2007 hey?
26 Jul 2010, 06:21 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-459:
The Boks would be happy to buy the Webb Ellis Cup by fair means or foul. A gold watch for the ref, a food poisoning Suzie for the opponents. Hardly surprising with a gene-pool which produced a Hansie Cronje and THETACKLER.
Very true!
26 Jul 2010, 06:21 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-459:
aah tackler, thats low dude……in fact that is a fu king pathetic comment!
26 Jul 2010, 06:30 am
@whatever(whatever)-464:
Hy vergeet partykeer dat hy ook een van ons is, arme siel!
Still waiting for him to explain to ‘only’ loss we ever had agaisnt the Scots under Jake White..
26 Jul 2010, 06:30 am
@whatever(whatever)-462: I didnt say “not lose once” I said make a better showing as WChamps… be honest, since 2007 you guys have had one year were you remotely looked like the world champion team, the other two years you have looked like headless chooks.. (in fact, only the B&I lions and 09 3Ns could be called a success surely? 08 ,10 and EOYTs not so I believe..
and its all payback for the last 300 odd days Ive had to hear of SA dominance (bwahaha?), SA depth unrivalled (?????), SA should just play the CC until ABs are good enough again etc etc… so yeah, I’ll expect it when we take another loss, but unlike the SA supporter the calibre of Kobus Kitty and Heavens Game, I will be here to take my just desserts, shame they havent huh?
26 Jul 2010, 06:49 am
@dive-pass(dive-pass)-460:
Too late to find worthy replacements right now and I am not sure there are any worthy ones to be honest
It all a mooted point anyway with PdV, Muir and Gould at the ‘helm’
26 Jul 2010, 06:52 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-466:
There isn’t much in RWC in terms of rugby proper IMO, big deal: we beat the Poms twice and Argies once and we are the world Champs.
If it really matters though, then Hoskinns needs to go back to his party bosses and asks to replace PdV and scrap the quota for now, unless you have another viable idea?
26 Jul 2010, 06:59 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-466:
You obviously took it quite bad then popps……..did you go to councelling?
F u k me, it’s just a bunch of arb blokes winding you up on an anonomous blog, don’t take it so seriously………..
26 Jul 2010, 07:06 am
He, he Poep69, full of your own importance now you’ve got support from spineless weasels like gwant10 and snotskiet who rush to give you NZ’ders a rimjob. Disgusting. But your post #445 about the sheep sums yourself up. I would not be proud to put that out there, but hey, you’re an AB rugby supporter, can’t go much lower.
But more seriously the TN for me sums up why so few countries play rugby and even fewer take it seriously. The game is ridiculaously complex, refs are at best subjective, at worst biased and there is wholesale local political interference and skullduggery (which NZ do best of all). Football is very much simpler, yet look how much controversy came out of the SWC.
Anyway, to the Boks. Again, with political interference and incompetence at all levels in SA you cannot take Bok rugby seriously. Jeez but I’d love JW to come back, even if he lost every game. Snotskiet would skuit in his broek and that would be worth it for me. Funny how he reviled Fourie du Preez and loved PDivvy. Slightly different tune now for him and baby Gwant10.
Let’s have a laugh at some of the keow muppet comments. In #40, Rugbyrulz waffles about how wonderfully Elsom stripped Roussouw of the ball. Did Elsom release the tackled player? Did he allow the tackled player to place the ball? Did Elsom play the ball on his feet? Hmmmm, you better check the replay.
I’m with #102 & #131 Cambok. It’s easy to show that the refs are about 50% wrong, they’ve been nobbled (I know now why the Brits hated the Irish but they are the easiest to nobble!). No good whining, it’s how NZ and Oz play total rugby (remeber PW’s “total onslaught”!). If anyone expects SA to win playing naive, suck up the bad decisons rugby, they will continue to suffer with biased refereeing and officialdom.
As Hugh Bladen remarked in the 53-something small Bok drubbing by England (courtesy of that great servant of NZ rugby, Paddy o’ Ballbag), “It’s too late to panic”. But SNAFU don’t care, they’re on the gravy bus. So my reading of the situation is that if SNAFU don’t take rugby seriously, how can we. I feel sorry for the players though, reviled by weasels like gwanty and snotty (clowns who I doubt have ever run on to a hard, cold (or cold and wet in NZ) rugby field) but playing a game that destroys you physically, week in and week out.
26 Jul 2010, 07:14 am
@whatever(whatever)-469 : so what your saying is I cant return the windup?
bwahahaha
and you think I need counselling?
26 Jul 2010, 07:17 am
@The Analyst(The Analyst)-411:
And so it begins again.
Where once there was “3-0″ and all revolved around the here’n'now – as it should be and how it was ever thus – and how the Head-to-Head record would soon be overtaken with 1 opponent driving the Ferrari and the other stalled at the lights; only for the dream to disappear in front of their eyes like an illusion, a magic trick performed by an enthusiastic amateur to disinterested kiddies party baying for pass-the-parcel, again.
So look out for the Safa Default Option to be hit time and time again on these pages – it was ever thus and how it shouldnt be – to rely on that old chestnut, The RWC, because that is all that is left, like Old Mother Hubbards cupboards that need to feed a whole nation throughout a Winter of discontent.
So, Anal’ist, you are not alone. Feel comforted in the knowledge that your comrades will draw close enough that you can all read from the 1 hymn sheet and bellow out ‘World in Union’ in between passionate renditions of Die Stem. But to answer your Question….
” if there is ONE TEAM the ABs do not want to meet in the finals of the 2011 WC (if they get there) it is these Boks. They KNOW they do not have the finals type game to win it, especially against the Boks”.
…..just take a second to pause and remember what happened the last time the Boks did not have once-in-a-lifetime luck to avoid a decent team and instead met one of their foes. Thats right, Anal’ist, when the Boks last met the All Blacks at a RWC it was all 1-way traffic. And it was a QuarterFinal. My guess is that the roots of doubt have started to sprout in the minds of the Green’n'Gold. How do we know this ?
Because you Protest Too Much.
26 Jul 2010, 07:18 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-459: Let us not really talk about gene pools, or did you come from another pool?
26 Jul 2010, 07:21 am
@JL1(JL1)-473:
Scraped off the bottom when it all ran dry?
26 Jul 2010, 07:23 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-421:
Im not sure Taines is the one opinion I would like to hang my hat on. A bit like Zinny making a prediction prior to a big match, he had a habit of being the ante-Paul the Octopus but with even greater accuracy.
26 Jul 2010, 07:28 am
@husky(husky)-470: not at all husky, not at all… my self importance? bwahaha I dont need Grant or Skops approval on my opinion.
you can go lower then be an AB supporter, you can be a hurting, sour Saffa supporter lashing out because his team lost and he doesnt know how to come to grips with it, especially after the belief was instilled by the voice of many a fan… funny, you didnt recognise my reference to sheep as the joke it was intended, but I gather having nothing to smile about at the moment has made you like that, so I’ll let it slide..
always with the worlds against you guys conspiracy? but then, I see you open your argument with an insult, what did I expect?
26 Jul 2010, 07:29 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-472: I recall a 3rd place play off game where we beat you guys in a RWC
26 Jul 2010, 07:30 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-471:
No mate, not at all……….just saying don’t take it all so seriously.
There are turkeys in every paddock……….I see one has just arrived…….. wet pantie……eish. Have fun boys!
26 Jul 2010, 07:31 am
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-475: Taine “I captained tha ABs to 5 losses in a row” Randall, now there is a rent a quote worth listening to
26 Jul 2010, 07:33 am
@Slartibartfast(Slartibartfast)-474: Bwhahaha!
26 Jul 2010, 07:38 am
@husky(husky)-470: You check the replay. Rocky went in for the tackles but played the BALL and not the man. Totally stripped legally. Beautiful to watch.
I might add I did not add the superlatives, it was a Saffa who quite rightly added the Boks driving over Danie.
Priceless!
26 Jul 2010, 07:46 am
@JL1(JL1)-477:
which was the bit about “the last time NZ and SA met at a RWC” that did you NOT understand ?
I just love all those QuarterFinal-jokes, dont you ?
26 Jul 2010, 07:48 am
@JL1(JL1)-477:
3rd/4th games are a complete nonsense. A game noone wants to play in and hence why even teams like Argentina rolled out their squad members in force.
But go ahead, keep clutching to straws.
26 Jul 2010, 10:09 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-459: Holy **** dude, that is low. Banter is one thing, this just shows your class.
26 Jul 2010, 10:13 am
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-459: If anyone is trying to buy the cup it would be NZ – do we need to get into all the underhanded “deals” that happened during the bidding process that robbed Japan of the chance?
26 Jul 2010, 10:29 am
@mainland(mainland)-217: That’s why we will NEVER be able to play the style the AB’s and Wallabies do….plenty of athleticism and domkrag, not so great on the quick thinking side of things (FdP and JdV aside)
26 Jul 2010, 10:55 am
@poppa69(poppa69)-458: As a Saffa, those margins are unacceptable for me Poppa. But they certainly speak the truth.
If you were to wear a neutral hat, what do think is the single biggest change the Boks should make to get back on track?
26 Jul 2010, 11:27 am
News just in – SKY SPORTS
The Australian Rugby Union have confirmed that they will appeal against the two-week ban meted out to Quade Cooper for a dangerous tackle against South Africa.
Cooper received the suspension after he was adjudged to have lifted Morne Steyn in a tackle during the second half of the Wallabies’ 30-13 victory over South Africa on Saturday.
As things stand, the fly-half will not be available for next weekend’s Tri-Nations clash against great rivals New Zealand.
However, Australia are hoping to now see the ban overturned to allow Cooper to play in Melbourne.
The appeal, lodged on Monday, is likely to be heard via a phone link-up in Sydney on Wednesday by three judicial officers – one from each Tri-Nations country.
New Zealand currently lead the Tri-Nations tournament with 10 points after two bonus-point wins over South Africa and will be playing their first away match of the campaign when they travel to Melbourne on Saturday.
Australia stand second in the competition with four points, while defending champions South Africa are pointless after three defeats in their first three outings.
26 Jul 2010, 12:00 pm
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-459: Funny how Kiwi’s (or fake ones
) are somehow allowed to believe in consipracy theories (Suzie) yet will bag out South Africans for doing the same thing.
26 Jul 2010, 17:02 pm
THETACKLER..Sorry for a brief moment I thought I was dealing with someone intelligent.Honest mistake. .
26 Jul 2010, 17:14 pm
@SyKoPlaya(SyKoPlaya)-488: And of course the Aussies will succeed in the rebuttal.
Cooper will play Bledisloe.
26 Jul 2010, 19:27 pm
@TheTackler(TheTackler)-397:
Let me make it clear that going back to Jake as coach post the 2011 WC would be a step in the wrong direction – but yes, the Boks got lucky by not having to play the bigger nations in 2007, hardly his fault.
But that was not the point I was making. Look at post 392 in conjunction with 390.
What I have been saying the last few weeks or so, is that the Boks just seem disinterested, demotivated, no spark. This has played itself out in the press this last weekend.
A WC is obviously a huge motivator for any team but pride in the jersey for every single test played is a non-negotiable. That’s why youngsters grow up wanting to play for the Boks.
A lot has got to happen in the Bok set-up before the next test – that much is obvious. Losing is one thing but the manner in which your team loses grates one.
This kick and chase rugby, playing rugby without the ball, being forced to into tackling all day long just doesn’t work for me.
The Boks are going to lose a few more games between now and the next WC that is for sure. Change doesn’t happen overnight.
The momentum now is with the AB’s and rightly so, albeit 12 months out from the WC.
But then again 12 months in rugby is like a lifetime. And when you get to the knock-out stages of a WC, anything can happen and usually does.
I hardly have to remind you of that.
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