Boks must back Butch
23 Aug 2010
RYAN VREDE argues that Butch James must start at flyhalf at Loftus.
In announcing his squad for the Tri-Nations, Springboks coach Peter de Villiers told the media that the World Cup winning flyhalf had had limited opportunities in the incoming tour Tests, and because of this he deserved an opportunity to prove he still had the aptitude for Test rugby.
That opportunity has amounted to 39 minutes out of a possible 320. This while Morne Steyn struggles to replicate the form that saw him monopolise the shirt in 2009. James’s time is now.
Steyn is an excellent goal kicker and is suited to the kick-chase approach that the Springboks employ as a primary means of attack. However, he has failed to consistently display the variation that is a feature of his play with the Bulls and was evident with the Springboks in 2009.
Against the All Blacks in Auckland Steyn took the ball to the advantage line just thrice in 33 handles, with a solitary linebreak. A week later in Wellington Steyn attacked the gain line four times with zero success in 35 handles, while against Australia in Brisbane he breached the defence once in 19 handles. While typically accurate in his goal-kicking (sinking six from six) Steyn’s struggles with ball in hand continued at Soccer City.
Tellingly, just once in the aforementioned matches has he offloaded in contact – a marked feature of the Blacks’ Dan Carter and Wallabies’ Quade Cooper’s play. Carter had made nine play-maker offloads in four matches prior to Saturday’s Test in Soweto, while Cooper made four in the one match he played prior to his suspension. One doesn’t need to elaborate on the value of a flyhalf who creates attacking opportunities in this way.
There are mitigating factors, the most notable being the Springboks coaches’ unrelenting fascination with a flawed, pragmatic game plan. Their impotency at the tackle point on attack and consistent inability to deplete the opposition’s defence through multiple phases is another. And there can be no doubt that his potency is diminished in the absence of Fourie du Preez, who takes immense pressure off his flyhalf through his all-round excellence.
With nothing to gain from the remaining Tests, there can be no justifiable reason to omit James from the run-on side. Steyn’s selection will amount to nothing more than a conservative move from a desperate coach.
James, who impressed with Bath in 2009 before an injury sidelined him, watched the entire match in Soweto from the wood. De Villiers argued that the result could have rested on a 50m penalty and that in that situation Steyn was his go-to man. That rationale is understandable given that Steyn is a superior goal-kicker with experience in sinking pressure kicks.
But the next two Tests must be used to measure James in order to accurately establish the depth at pivot. The stocks were trimmed with Ruan Pienaar’s departure for Ulster, and outside of Peter Grant and more recently 19-year-old Pat Lambie, none at franchise level have impressed.
James physicality in defence will be a boon against the hot-stepping Cooper, while his directness in attack – something De Villiers says was lacking in the second half in Soweto – will add a dimension to the Springboks’ play which has been sorely lacking.
There is no risk in the selection. James is an experienced player, versed in the ethos and playing philosophy and whose combination with inside centre Jean de Villiers is well established. He is also a competent goal-kicker (there will be an insurance policy in Frans Steyn should Butch’s kicking boots still be in Bath) and has the skill to adapt to various styles of play.
James is a must for Loftus.
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23 Aug 2010, 11:28 am
@Ratel Brussow(Morne Steyn is under-rated)-199: hmmm… Morne & FDP combo works, but who knows. It is currently 2010 and Morne doesnt have FDP and is looking very average. EOYT may unearth a new combo… Hougard & ???? <<<< It would be wise to try another flyhalf. Depth is a serious problem during a WCup, both Aust and NZ have suffered when Larkham and Carter were not fit.
23 Aug 2010, 11:30 am
Worth giving Butch a run. Morne cost us the game unfortunately. The penalty he kicked over the dead ball was the first time I though the ABs could win
23 Aug 2010, 11:32 am
@Bok fan(Bok fan)-202:
don’t
even
think about
it
23 Aug 2010, 11:36 am
@Bok fan(Bok fan)-202: The last 10 minutes I always thought the ABs capable of stealing it.
Thats the thing… ABs always play to the final whistle, they never give it up.
23 Aug 2010, 11:47 am
I’m all for giving Butch a start. Nothing to lose really, and we need to know where we stand, as far as options go. The best local flyhalf at the moment looks to be JLP, by a considerable margin.
Elton Jantjies for me looking the best of the rest at the moment. Wasn’t at all impressed with Lambie at 10 this weekend (although the rest of the Sharks looked great), his kicking for a start was abysmal. Some way to go yet before he is ready for higher honours. He may well be the real deal, but not yet.
23 Aug 2010, 12:00 pm
@RugbyRulz(RugbyRulz)-197: you have killed the debate
quite astute observations and points from you lady, kudos 
23 Aug 2010, 12:01 pm
JR
Good post… Elton Jantjes could be that guy.
I also used to punt steyn for 10.. But he seemed to lack that quality that all great fly halves (and batsmen and tennis players) have and that is time on the ball.
Carter has it …
Gibbs had it when he played..
23 Aug 2010, 12:09 pm
Morne Steyn is our best flyhalf – period. I cannot help but laugh at Bokfan’s suggestion that because Morne Steyn allegedly cost us the game that he should be dropped. The Boks will come back and beat the AB’s next year. Everyone should just relax and calm down.
23 Aug 2010, 12:18 pm
Ryan, I am bitterly disappointed in you. I idolized you. You are the Bulls’ reporter. You are supposed to be a cut above the rest and above reproach.
Steyn is a Loftus boytjie, a third of the team is made up of Bulls, and Matfield is playing his 100th. Why should the omission of Steyn be forced?
While we’re at it why don’t we relegate Bryan Habana to the bench? I find it amazing that people seem to want to avoid mentioning the prime culprit: Habana.
Habana tried his schoolboy antics thrice (or more), which ultimately led to the Springboks’ downfall. All of his teammate’s work was in vain, because Habana put himself before the team.
23 Aug 2010, 12:23 pm
@RugbyRulz(RugbyRulz)-204: Yup, big error, but everyone is human. Play someone else in the EOYT. Morne needs the rest. Right now we need to beat the Aussies and Morne is key to this.
23 Aug 2010, 12:29 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-209: Bench Ryan by all means. If Steyn plays 15 this weekend and JPP is fit, the Aplon can play 11. Still a bit worried about his size. Gets turned over in the tackle a bit much.
Anyway, Brian can use some “reprogramming” to get rid of his nasty “cut-inside” habit.
Morne, Spies and a few others need some reprogramming as well though…..
Standout players of the game (such as they were):
Hougaard
Smith
Burger
JPP (until the last 10 minutes)
JDJ
The rest were all well below par, BUT what was encourageing is that we almost “won ugly” this past weekend. In fact we really should have.
23 Aug 2010, 12:36 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-135:
True which proves my point even more, all the forward pass cost them was one game, not four years worth of buildup – perhaps 24 years and and early exit from the WC
We didnt deserve to win in Cardiff regardless of the refs call, thats rugby you are going to get the rub of the green in some games and not in others – we got it at Soccer City, but not in Cardiff but i guess a good team should make there own luck.
Had that senario played out in a world cup final with the forward pass being missed and the hairline decision of McCaw’s try, Nigel Owens sould not have left Soewto. Just the same if the All Blacks had lost in the same manner, we’d feel bitter and hard done by.
Instead of being a nit picking kiwi and commenting on the one incorrect thing in my post why cant you say something to do witht he point i made?
Stupid Pakeha
23 Aug 2010, 12:37 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-211:
Yeah, I don’t think JJP was a standout, he did save two tries though.
And Matfield’s influence has simply gotten lost in the woodwork. Typical, why don’t we just call for his head too? Matfield made two turnovers himself.
Would help alot if Frans was our full back I suppose, I think keep Habs there, on a stern warning. Clearly the coaches are struggling to control this team. But perhaps one couldn’t blame Habanana, since he is forced to play under Muir
23 Aug 2010, 12:41 pm
@NZMaori(NZMaori)-212: hahahahahahaha oh now you’re racist, you mentioned BP being pakeha!
“Instead of being a nit picking kiwi and
commenting on the one incorrect thing in
my post why cant you say something to do
witht he point i made?
Stupid Pakeha”
23 Aug 2010, 12:43 pm
1-BEAST
2-BISMARCK (J.SMIT-BENCH, STRICTLY FOR MOTIVATIONAL QUALITY HE BRINGS)
3-JANNIE
4-MATFIELD
5-BOTHA
6-HEINRICH BRUSSOW
7-SCHALK- (F.LOUW-BENCH)
8-R. KANKOWSKI (D.VERMUELEN)
9- F.DUPREE, “THE GENIUS” (HOUGAARD-BENCH)
10-R.PIENNAR
11- HABANA
12-J.DE VELLIERS
13-J.De Jongh( Jaque Fourie-Bench)
14- GIO APLON (THE BLACK SHARKS WING-BENCH)
15- STEYN
WITH ALL THIS ATTACKING POWER, FLAIR AND THINKING RUGBY MINDS, WE WILL BE THE FIRST COUNTRY TO EVER RETAIN THE WORLD CUP. COMMENTS?
23 Aug 2010, 12:44 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-213: I thought Matfield was fine. No complaints, but we are still not challenging on their throw in like we used to. Not to mention still losing too many of our own. Not like the old days anymore…
JPP was good for me particularly due to the fact that he hasn;t played much this year. Definately a class player.
Must say, that Mvovo looked electric on Saturday against the WP.
23 Aug 2010, 12:46 pm
NZMaori
it was your ‘closer’ and, therefore, open to comment.
besides, who says I’m a Pakeha ?
23 Aug 2010, 12:50 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-216:
Smit has half the input on throws. He missed his first throw. The man couldn’t take the pressure it seems. And that wasn’t the last of the night.
Look at Maku when he screwed our lineouts up against WP.
Sorry, I missed the Sharks-WP match. I was too busy researching the safest way to commit suicide on the interwebs.
23 Aug 2010, 12:54 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-164: cchheeeaatttinngg
23 Aug 2010, 12:54 pm
@Black Panther(Black Panther)-217: he is a racist
haha
23 Aug 2010, 12:56 pm
@UnbeataBULL(UnbeataBULL)-176: I thought his kicking was pretty aimless at times…
23 Aug 2010, 12:57 pm
well now we know ryan knows fpokol about rugby
23 Aug 2010, 13:06 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-218: lol
Yes, I’m hardly blaminf Vic for that. It’s just funny that the same combo (Vic/Smit) is as innefective this year as they were dominant last year.
If you think you felt bad, imagine me thinking “well at least i can enjoy the CC game”…. and then getting a good rogering from the Sharks…
At least there’s my trusty friend John Daniels….
23 Aug 2010, 13:09 pm
The Boks on Saturday sported a backline that score one try at the Super 14 and only scored once at the Tri Nations so far, the odds this pathetic, quota selected collection will turn around are are nil.
23 Aug 2010, 13:10 pm
I seriously believe that if we harnessed all the strengths of the different types of rugby played by the different types of racial groups in South Africa, we could be better than the All Blacks year after year. Our rugby as is, is mundane and predictable, it is not entertaining even when we were winning. We need to get rid of all our prejudices!, New Zealand was only able to play that brand of rugby once the Maoris started playing alongside their white country men, it is then that they incorporated their diffrent styles to formulate their current style of rugby which is renowned world wide. IN FOOTBALL IT IS THE SAME, BRAZIL, A CLASSIC EXAMPLE. WHETEHR WE WANT TO ADMIT IT OR NOT BLACK FOLK HAVE MORE CREATIVITY AND AGILITY, SO WHY DO WE NOT WANT THIS SUCCESS FOR OUR COUNTRY. THE BLACK PEOPLE OF THE EASTERN CAPE PROVINCE HAVE BEEN PLAYING RUGBY FOR OVER A 100 YEARS, WHY DO WE INSIST ON HAVING THIS GLASS CEILING FOR ALL ASPIRING TALENTED BLACK PLAYERS WHO EXCELL. WHY ARE THEY ALWAYS RELEGATED TO BEING ON THE WING. BLACK PEOPLE COULD BE DEVELOPED MORE SO TO BE ANY OF THE LOOSE TRIO, SCRUMHALF, FLYHALF, INFACT MOST OF THE BACKLINE POSITIONS. COME ON PEOPLE, LET US PUT MORE RESOURCES IN ASSISTING DEVELOP THESE YOUNG PLAYERS. SOME HOW THERE IS AN OBSESSION IN SOUTH AFRICA ABOUT SIZE BUT WE ALL KNOW THAT IS CODE FOR RACE. RUGBY IS A GAME THAT WAS CREATED BY THE ENGLISH, TO BE ENJOYED BY ALL.
23 Aug 2010, 13:19 pm
@Koobus(Koobus)-225: de jongh, aplon are too small!
23 Aug 2010, 13:32 pm
I would also risk F. Steyn to 10 at this stage, and I agree a season in France will have mellowed and matured him. As a 19 yr old he had a very good debut at 12 but then White and Jones tried to show PdV and the world what they were missing at 10 by playing him with FdP and Gregan for Baabaas vs Aus in 08 where he systematically and single handedly screwed the entire game
The thing is as in life as in rugby everything is about timing, conditioning and mental equilibrium and composure and character strength. In 1975 I watched an outright underdog Arthur Ashe take world no.1 and Wimbledon darling Jimmy Connors out in straight sets. He simply psyched and composedly out focussed Connors right off that centre court to the tennis worlds shock and dismay.
In ’08 FdP and Butch James were all wrong for Boks progress, 19-0 and 4 from 6 losses the outcome of the bad call. Peter Grants inclusion when it should have happened would have cemented a fly half we could build an attacking platform around. But saffas cannot conceive of a non kicking flat ball running halfback pivot ala Larkham or Honiball unless they are Carel du Plessis or Nick Mallet. So we revert to type, that is big booming deep pocket flatfeet kicking 10′s.
In 2009 M. Steyn appeared to be the go to guy with the combined kicking strategy of Du Preez and Steyn with the fetching ability of Brussow to clean up on deck was the perfect foil game plan, till they worked us out, till we met France and Ireland on Eoyt and those very tactics directly cost us the victory. It was precisely Du Preez and Steyn’s ridiculous out of hand kicking that killed us off in November 09 as it did throughout 010..
Hougaard had a good game with ball in hand Saturday, his box kicks had the opposite effect. Same with Steyn, when he made an instinctive decision to tap and go from a kickable penalty position it resulted in our only try. Rest of the game he retreated back into his safety first shell and end result is 2 kicks out on full, no more tries and we playing on back foot entire second half which ultimately cost us a game we could most easily have closed out had we simply KEPT IT IN HAND.
Having analysed all that, what to do with FH connundrum now? Well I’ve been advocating for some time get M. Steyn out of 10 and possibly to 15. I reckon he got the vision and capacity to be a good last line of defence option and provide the necessary insurance of a deadeye place kicker on park.
At 10 I would have had Grant up to speed by now had he been entrusted when he should have been 2 years ago, otherwise I would certainly have persisted with Pienaar who was so severely confidence damaged through pulling him at a time when he was actually doing well, in fact far more proactively efficient than Steyn on the front foot gain line attack, except that 2 of his place kicks hit the uprights vs Bil’s so they abandoned him into the scrap heap and tried converting him to 9 which I knew was a blatant mistake.
To go back to Butch now is regressive, same as canning Pienaar was in 09, or not trusting in Grant in 08 and opting for NH encrusted dead beat Butch with non ElV compliant FdP who both lost us that comp more so than others along with poor balance at loose forward..
Bottom line is faith and consistency is name of the game. Woodward stuck through thick n thin with Wilkinson as did McQueen with Larkham and they both produced world beaters, not unlike Carel discovering Honiball and Mallet having balls to see it though even though his lack of place kicking or even out of hand kicking cost us Lions tour in 97 he still came through to be world best crash ball attacking/defensive fly half bar none.
Moral of the story pick a style and a go to candidate and stick with him. I would have picked Grant and developed my strategy around him. They didn’t, they faffed around with Butch then Frans Steyn then Pienaar and didn’t settle on any till M. Steyn saved the day at Loftus Bils 2 and usurped the crown.
Now a tough call has to be made. If its kick n chase rugby you want to continue then stick with M. Steyn. If its running front foot ball you want to adopt, I’d have to consider one of F. Steyn, P. Grant or R. Pienaar.
Who has the biggest bmt? F. Steyn without doubt. Who has best all round skills? Perhaps Pienaar. Who has guts and no compromise character that can be developed as per Larkham or Honiball before him with no kicking game to talk of? – answer P. Grant.
At this juncture for next week I think I stick with M. Steyn on account of my consistency theory and because Loftus is home to him and he’s used to the Hougaard connection.
Long term if M. Steyn cannot adapt and become the all composite pivot for all occasions I consider switching him to 15 and bring one of Frans or Pienaar or Grant in at 10, though having said that I think far too much damage and water has long gone under the bridge is the case with Pienaar and Grant, so next options open is F. Steyn or JL Potgieter. With Jantjes and/or Lambie for post 2011..
23 Aug 2010, 13:45 pm
I see Vrede “Scooped” Francois Steyn’s new haircut at training today. SA Rugby have him listed as senior staff writer. Good on you Ryan. Not the best photo, maybe you should take a good DSLR with you when you visit these sorts of things? Iphone can only go so far….
23 Aug 2010, 13:49 pm
@skopskiet(yliad)-227: Good post Kickshot… No papsak today…
23 Aug 2010, 13:50 pm
Jeez Ryan,first Olivier now Steyn.At this rate they will revoke your unofficial status of Bulls Public Relations Officer at Loftus. l’d invite you to Western Province,but unfortunately we have the more than competent JC to do the arse licking
23 Aug 2010, 14:07 pm
marked improvement from the boks,ditching morne at this stage i believe is sadly not the best option because form is temporary and class permanent,carter was brilliant on the ball and terribel at kickin between the sticks and that in a tighter world cup situation would have made a lot of difference,the boks as a whole impressed and i blame th coaches in making terrible substitutions,smit for one should ave been rested from about 60minutes as he was visibly tired from half time,but due to terrible selection hooker options were limited,
changing morne or the successful combinations of 2009 will be dissastrous and get the team in more sixes and sevens,basics would ahave won the game,fitness,tackle accuracy,game plan accuracy and finishing of a team when in the lead,nevertheless marked improvement in the lineout and drives,
without j.fourie,du preez,brussow,frans steyn,bismark du plessis,bakkies botha the team is considerably weaker,and with a coachin staff that rellies on senior players for direction things had to be bleak,nevertheless if ever there is a good time to loose it would be now
23 Aug 2010, 14:22 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-186: Just read your post, agreed 100%.
AB are a class above this year, conditioning is the main issue as it all falls apart in the last 10minutes or so.
What I and we all want to see is the players FIGHTING FOR THEIR PLACE EVERY GAME…. Too much cruising going on.
Too many old faces not being rotated. Its time to put JS and Vic on the bench for alternate games. Drop Spies until he decides to man up. Bring in Biz or a dynamic 2 – Libenburg. Also a Stegmann type player and hope we can retread Shalk into an 8 or try Alberts/Vermulen.
The new rules like it or not means more running in the game now, its no surprise that the AB stepped up in the last 15mins as they knew poor subbing would help them ..
23 Aug 2010, 14:28 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-181: Good team, missing FS at 15 and Alberts at 8 … but how many minutes did the 1st XV play last year ?
I for one would treat the EOYT as a development tour as the NH teams have done to us for many seasons now.
Sadly 08 and 09 were a missed opportunity as ’10 EOYT is last chance to face NH before RWC11.
Again we are way behind ABs with regard to bench usage and improving play by using it.The tempo dictates 22 players IF needed not vomiting players onto the pitch for no F.reason..
23 Aug 2010, 14:29 pm
#15 Unbeatabull . How can it be that the Boks are unfit if we have , at the core of this team , players who were in the S14 final in which they were fit enough to play at pace.????To me it seems that some of them have played too much rugby and need a rest.
23 Aug 2010, 14:33 pm
Butch is the ball-player, he will free up Juan De Jongh etc, but SA will still need a goal-kicker in their side. Morne at 12? it’s not like JDV is indispensable in current form.
23 Aug 2010, 14:52 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-223:
Yeah, I’m anti-alcohol abuse, so it’s suicide for me.
I was going to use my CZ75 to blow my brains out, but then I’d leave a helluva mess on the floor, and my obsessive-compulsive nature couldn’t stand that (not to mention that the investigators would think that I was a slob).
*SIGH*
23 Aug 2010, 14:57 pm
Butch is not the answer to our woes.
If anything I’d like to see Butch play simply because it would mean a forced departure from the now defunct kick and chase tactic. Hopefully that would open some eyes from a strategy perspective and we could move forward from there.
In terms of place kicking, I don’t have the answer unfortunately.
23 Aug 2010, 15:26 pm
Atriedes
cheers fella. You’re 1 of the very very few who would answer that.
Great match. Altho, must say, it would be even better if the Boks ran more ball. Which kid grows up dreaming of chasing kicks ?
23 Aug 2010, 16:05 pm
After Saturdays performance its clear Morne is mentally fatigued just like on the EOYT last year. Needs a long break and hopefully he will be at his freshest for the WC
23 Aug 2010, 16:12 pm
I’m not too worried about this “new” game NZ is playing…..watch them CHOKE big time come WC!!
Remember….when they get into a situation like against France….they will have no one to Drop a 3 pointer or even to kick a 50m penalty to win….they wil try to run again….and there will be no JS missing tackles!!!!
23 Aug 2010, 16:13 pm
@Bok fan(Bok fan)-239:
Strange, th All Blacks aren’t “metally fatigued”.
Are the Boks perhaps being limited by the limited mental capacity of the coaches?
23 Aug 2010, 16:17 pm
The Difference in a WC is you get that chance only every 4 years!
They wil run again….and with the pressure…….they will fail again….and all the glory of 2010 will haunt them 4 MORE YEARS!!!!
23 Aug 2010, 16:41 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-236: That’s if the CZ works. Don’t they jam a great deal? I’m told that the gun Mickey Schultz tried (and eventually succeeded on like the 4th attempt) to kill Kebble with was a CZ…
23 Aug 2010, 16:49 pm
@Kiwisamoan(Kiwisamoan)-23: @sharky_in_clapham(sharky_in_clapham)-25:
Ruan Pienaar is the BEST we have, both at 9 & 10 IMO
But that doesn’t make his selection obvious, very much to the opposite, under the PdV regime that is
Ruan and F Styen should not get mingled with the current Boks selection system that is dictated by quota minimum 5 number, Ruan so the light but as for F Styen he might have some bench time to ponder.
23 Aug 2010, 16:50 pm
@Agile T*t-Tyrant(Anairetes agilis)-241: Someone like Morne has played far too much rugby, Super 14 semis and final and most of the games leading up to the tri nations. Assistant coaches are useless so that isnt helping you right
23 Aug 2010, 16:58 pm
@bananas(bananas)-232:
Let me tell you this:
The London’s Bookies give the Boks 14 points advantage at Jo’burg, 1,700m atitude, they also give the home team a 7-10 points home advantage.
The Boks lost Saturday by 7 points, that makes a compound defeat of a Min 28 points!
Last the Boks lost at Altitude (Loftus at 1,200 not really regarded as altitude and the ABs beat the Boks there on a regular basis) was in 1992 by 3 points, Small fumbled 3m from the line at the dying moment, the Boks forward were on average 32 years old and they haven’t played a Test Rugby since 1986!!!!
And that was as far as the ABs managed at home and altitude until Saturday!
23 Aug 2010, 16:58 pm
@Porra the Fat and Clever Speedster(Porra)-203: He needs rest. Mentally fatigued. Just need to make sure hes fresh for the WC
23 Aug 2010, 17:02 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-243:
That guy looks too stupid to not have forgotten the safety on.
Anyway I’ve got trusty DA. And never gotten so much as a stoppage.
No, I’m looking into other means of escapism.
23 Aug 2010, 17:08 pm
WE NEED TO TEACH A DIFFERENT BRAND OF RUGBY AT PRIMARY AND AT HIGH SCHOOL. NO.01-15, LIKE THE ALL BLACKS SHOULD BE MOBILE, CATCH THE BALL IN WHICHEVER DIRECTION IT IS THROWN AT WHATEVER SPEED,TACKLE, PASS WHICHEVER DIRECTION, ABILITY TO THINK ON YOUR FEET CAN BE TAUGHT, SIDESTEPPING WOULD BE A BONUS IF SOME RUGBY PLAYERS WERE NOT SO RIGID and hopefully one can be taught to play with passion for a full 80 minutes. STRENGTH AND ENDURENCE CAN BE INCULCATED INTO AN INDIVIDUAL.
23 Aug 2010, 17:10 pm
@Hoops(Hoops)-242: Keep praying to the Aussies and Frogs. The only hope to avoid 4 years of utter misery.
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