Currie Cup latest (Tues)
21 Sep 2010
Keo.co.za brings you the news from the Currie Cup.
Cheetahs change two
Naka Drotske has opted to start Riaan Smit at fullback and WP Nel at prop against the Pumas.
Nel replaces Kobus Calldo while Smit comes in for Hennie Daniller. Daniller is being rested after playing every Currie Cup game to date.
Cheetahs – 15 Riaan Smit, 14 Philip Snyman, 13 Robert Ebersohn, 12 Meyer Bosman, 11 Jongi Nokwe, 10 Louis Strydom, 9 Tewis de Bruyn, 8 Ashley Johnson, 7 Philip Van der Walt, 6 Hendro Scholtz, 5 David de Villiers, 4 Francois Uys, 3 WP Nel , 2 Adriaan Strauss (c), 1 Coenie Oosthuizen.
Subs: 16 Skipper Badenhorst, 17 Kobus Calldo, 18 Izak van der Westhuizen, 19 Kabamba Floors, 20 Tertius Carse, 21 Sias Ebersohn, 22 Corné Uys.
Basson’s a Bull
Bjorn Basson has signed a new deal with the Bulls which starts from 1 November.
The Springbok wing was committed to Griquas and the Cheetahs until the end of 2011 but the Bulls paid a transfer fee to get the player released from his contract. Griquas CEO Arni van Rooyen confirmed the move on Tuesday but refused to reveal the amount paid for the player.
Botha ready to rumble
Gary Botha has recovered from a head knock and will be available for the Bulls this weekend.
The Bulls skipper as well as lock Fudge Mabeta have been cleared for the game against the Leopards. Flank Deon Stegmann will undergo a fitness test on Tuesday, and could well feature in Potchefstroom.
Province lose Liebenberg
Tiaan Liebenberg will play no further part in the Currie Cup.
The WP hooker injured his ankle against the Cheetahs three weeks ago and coach Allister Coetzee is not expecting him back any time soon. Liebenberg’s injury was supposed to sideline him for six weeks, but WP management have confirmed he won’t be fit for the play-offs.
Back-up flyhalf Lionel Cronje missed last week’s game with a hamstring problem, and won’t be risked against Griquas this Friday.
Black players don’t want quotas
Sarpa chief executive Piet Heymans says Saru should consider changes to its competition structures to ensure that promising black players don’t disappear between U21 and senior level.
‘The players’ position is that they want equal opportunities. If they are good enough, they want to play. No player wants to be viewed as a quota player and everybody wants to be there on merit. Black players are not in favour of quotas. Their plea is for equal playing opportunities and game time,’ said Heymans.
‘Saru should be creative with the competition structures and see if there is a way of making the transition from junior to senior level easier. The bigger provinces should also be more willing to loan players they aren’t using to smaller provinces. It is happening already, but the system can be utilised even better.’
The Vodacom Cup will still be played next year, but an age limit may be applied from 2012 onwards. One possibility is to make it an U23 competition, while there is also a school of thought that it should make way for a super club competition.
Heymans said it is wrong for Saru to criticise the provinces without doing something about it.
‘As governing body of rugby, Saru have the ability to do something about the [transformation] issue. The question is just whether the leadership is strong enough to really do something about it.’
WP’s timing spot on
Allister Coetzee believes Western Province are building momentum at the perfect time.
Province suffered a mid-season slump when they lost three consecutive matches against the Sharks, Cheetahs and Lions.
However, with three rounds remaining before the play-offs, WP have won their last two games against the Leopards (59-17) and Pumas (62-10) comfortably and displayed the kind of form they had during their six-match winning streak at the start of the season. They are currently second on the log with 38 points.
‘Things are coming together nicely for us and it is especially important at this time of the season,’ said Coetzee. ‘This is the period when you want to be playing well and putting good performances together.
‘We face three tough games now [against Griquas, the Bulls and Sharks] before hopefully we go into the play-offs, so this is the time when we need to step up our performance.’
500 Comments
21 Sep 2010, 07:26 am
Currie Cup, boring quotes, Bulls are playing rubbish rugby, Province are over-rated, please don’t post an article about quotas today dragons.
21 Sep 2010, 07:26 am
Much about nothing…
21 Sep 2010, 07:42 am
Should there be an official Currie Cup quota system to ensure greater black representivity?
No 98% of all votes
Yes 2% of all votes
139/5828 ===> looks much like Malema & Mighty Horua’s matric results
21 Sep 2010, 07:44 am
I’ve heard this morning the the Bulls signed Basson. Is that official?
21 Sep 2010, 07:44 am
Sigh – it has begun.
21 Sep 2010, 07:55 am
“but came from behind to win 43-38″ That is not how I remembered it. I thought the Leopards scored four tries to nil in the last 20 minutes to make it an exciting finish.
21 Sep 2010, 07:59 am
@Tegejo(Tegejo)-4: If thats true, I would like to see a backline of:
15. Kircher
14. Hurdles
13. Zefmeister
12. Timotei
11. Basson
10. Steyn
9. Fourie “SA’s world cup hopes are on my shoulders” du Preez
21 Sep 2010, 08:06 am
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-7: the crocked shoulder?
21 Sep 2010, 08:06 am
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-7: Zefmeister?
21 Sep 2010, 08:10 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-8: Thats why it is crocked.
@Tegejo(Tegejo)-9: There can only be one Zefmeister – Hougaard.
21 Sep 2010, 08:12 am
Gibbs to play for Bulls?
2010-09-20 22:30Email | Print
@ news24!!!!!!
21 Sep 2010, 08:13 am
Breaking News
Mark Keohane and Jake White’s relationship has imploded.Keo,HSM have taken White to the Western Cape high court and have applied for Winning Ways Pty(Ltd) to be placed under provisional liquidation.The dispute is apparently over shares and monetary matters.
Will be interesting to see if Keo and his boys continue to punt him as a replacement for Pdv,no wonder the guy was placing himself as a candidate to replace Diddy,he is so f.uckin desperate for a job.How the mighty have fallen.
21 Sep 2010, 08:15 am
@quotas_sux(quota_conrad_jantjies_is_jorrie_muller)-11: Drugs stopped working have they?
Gibbs is likely to play cricket for the Queensland Bulls.
21 Sep 2010, 08:17 am
well yeah DUH! … you didn’t think it was the Blue Bulls as in rugby, did you?
21 Sep 2010, 08:17 am
its official….B Basson a Bull from 1 nov
21 Sep 2010, 08:18 am
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-10: At 13? The Prince will be FdP successor, and possibly the Next FdP or Joost.
@Izwe Lethu(Koos van der merwe)-12: I would love to see Keo’s article on this story!!!
21 Sep 2010, 08:19 am
@quotas_sux(quota_conrad_jantjies_is_jorrie_muller)-14: Well, they are pretty desperate as evidenced by the fact that they are apparently in the market for Naas Olivier, so its not such a stretch to imagine they might be willing to try Gibbs.
21 Sep 2010, 08:19 am
steggmann 50….50 to play this sat….
For me its so important….we need a fit and firing Steggmann for eoyt
21 Sep 2010, 08:20 am
They better be wary unless they want a Pumas part 2
21 Sep 2010, 08:20 am
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-17: its the queenslands bulls cricket team
21 Sep 2010, 08:20 am
@grant10(grant10)-15: I saw it on the news. Where can I get the article?
21 Sep 2010, 08:21 am
‘We saw in Nelspruit [against the Pumas] what happens when you are not 100% focused and are wasteful with your chances. We learned a valuable lesson there.’
Its not Nelspruit anymore Frans!
21 Sep 2010, 08:23 am
@Tegejo(Tegejo)-16: If du Preez is playing 9 during the Super 15, you need to find a spot for the Zefmeister. You can’t leave him out, and if Basson and Hurdles are on the wings, the only spot open is 13. He played 13 at school and age group level, and has performed well in the past. Its not such a stretch going from the wing to 13, and Dippenaar and Pretorius have hardly set the world alight.
Zefmeister can play 9 when Fourie goes to play number 8 in Japan.
21 Sep 2010, 08:23 am
If Basson is happy to play second fiddle to Gerhard and the Prince, then goodluck to him!
21 Sep 2010, 08:23 am
Tegejo
I dont think he will write anything as yet,you know how things are mos,sub judice and all that nonsense
21 Sep 2010, 08:24 am
will B Basson get enough game time with the bulls? with shadowwwww & hougaard? Can hougaard play nr 15 .. with Shadow & Basson on the wings? cause zane is ****
21 Sep 2010, 08:24 am
@grant10(grant10)-18: He won’t be selected for the EOYT. They will take Louw, and Kankowski as an option for 6.
21 Sep 2010, 08:25 am
Basson is a good chaser of the Up&Unders so he will slot in perfectly!
21 Sep 2010, 08:26 am
Awesome news!
Best move you could have made Bjorn! We will turn you into a greater star than Habana was.
21 Sep 2010, 08:27 am
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-24: We will take him, make him another Habanna, get the best years out of him and then send him south…
21 Sep 2010, 08:30 am
@grant10(grant10)-15: You sure about this!
Damn thats good news!
On another point what is up with the articles about WP peaking at the right time.
They won the Leopards and the Pumas who is last and second to last respectively on the log.
Seems history is back to haunt the under achievers.
WP peaks to early Sharks peak late but not long enough and the spoils of victory to be decided by the Bulls or Cheetahs.
21 Sep 2010, 08:30 am
Please dont turn him into John Mametsa
21 Sep 2010, 08:31 am
@Tegejo(Tegejo)-21: superrugby site
21 Sep 2010, 08:31 am
“They won the Leopards and the Pumas who is last and second to last respectively on the log”
Almost like the Bulls
21 Sep 2010, 08:31 am
@Tegejo(Tegejo)-21: News24 also
21 Sep 2010, 08:32 am
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-32: lol
21 Sep 2010, 08:33 am
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-27: steggmann the closest thing we have to brussow….
but i agree….the 3 stooges will fark it up….again.
Kanko at 6….the mind boggles.
21 Sep 2010, 08:35 am
Worst move Bjorn Basson could have made. He’ll hardly see any ball and his attacking prowess is likely to be stifled.
He might score the odd try from chasing up and unders, but we wont be seeing the deadly finishing he’s displayed this year.
Not with Steyn at 10 and Watermeyer/WO and Pretoruis in the midfield. Should have gone to province.
21 Sep 2010, 08:35 am
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-35: So Basson, Naas Olivier and Gibbs
will be playing for the Bulls?
21 Sep 2010, 08:35 am
i see percy and Tasmins divorce now final as well….
21 Sep 2010, 08:38 am
@grant10(grant10)-40: One can only take that much!
21 Sep 2010, 08:40 am
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-39: Quite the backline!
@John Galt(John Galt)-38: Yeah, cause the Stormers were such a great attacking side during the Super 14. They scored so many tries, and really got their wings involved, and Basson is also likely to get game time behind Habana, de Jongh and Aplon.
21 Sep 2010, 08:40 am
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-32: Nah…we only used Mametsa who no-one else was available. Heinecke surely did his homework on Basson. He will be a Habanna.
@grant10(grant10)-37: +1
21 Sep 2010, 08:41 am
@John Galt(John Galt)-38: Like in the Super 14 when the Bulls wings scored the least amount of tries…o no wait they scored the most! And province the least!
21 Sep 2010, 08:43 am
Basson should have gone to the Lions where he was guaranteed proper coaching and tips from Mitchel and King Carlos,they would have turned him into a finished article.
It does not take a rocket scientist to see that SA coaches are lagging behind as evidenced with former Bok coach Jake White and current Bok coach D.ick Muir’s failure to do anything postive for the Lions.Lets us swallow our pride after Diddy goes in 2011 lets go outside our borders and get a foreign coach.
21 Sep 2010, 08:44 am
@grant10(grant10)-40: I wonder who will get the hair straightener?
21 Sep 2010, 08:45 am
@Falken(Falken)-44: Hehe
Yeah… This was the best possible move for the youngster!
21 Sep 2010, 08:46 am
@Tegejo(Tegejo)-43: Like his homework with both the Nduganis, Jaco Pretorius, and many other failures
21 Sep 2010, 08:47 am
Hougaard will be on the bench in the S15, as backup to Du Preez. Remember, in the new extended S15, you basically need 2 teams, so they will alternate regularly, in my view. Hougaard will also be a utility back replacement from the bench, in case we have a problem at wing or even centre.
Basson and vd Heever to be the two starting wings.
Gonna be brilliant!
21 Sep 2010, 08:48 am
@Izwe Lethu(Koos van der merwe)-45: Just because one province has struggled for so many years, doesn’t mean that all South African coaches are rubbish.
The Bulls have had enormous success with South African coaches (and an Aussie for a while), and WP have done pretty well with South African coaches of late. Before that, the Sharks did quite well with Wang Muir, and the Cheetahs have often punched above their weight.
We have the coaching talent, they just aren’t always given the correct positions, or the correct amount of support. Solly, Mallet, the dude from the Stormers, Rassie, Meyer etc. are all excellent coaches.
Also, Carlos and Mitchell have had 7 good games – jury is still out on them.
21 Sep 2010, 08:49 am
@Izwe Lethu(Koos van der merwe)-45: Just because the Lions were pi$$poor the last couple of years, doesn’t mean our coaches are! We’ve got decent coaches in this country. Heinecke, Alistair, Rassie, Frans… All guys that can step up after PDivvy’s looming departure.
21 Sep 2010, 08:50 am
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-48: Both the Ndunganes have played for the Boks, and one of them has one two Super titles. Pretorius has functioned well in the Bulls set up – 3 Super titles isn’t bad.
There have been some failures – Lobberts springs to mind – but you can’t win them all.
21 Sep 2010, 08:50 am
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-48: If you call winning Superrugby and CC titles failures, then yes!
21 Sep 2010, 08:50 am
“According to the charge sheet, Montgomery had “put pressure on his wife’s leg” and “hit at her”. The couple later said that no-one was hurt or hit.”
21 Sep 2010, 08:52 am
@Izwe Lethu(Koos van der merwe)-45: I agree. But with Tonderai back from injury and Killian’s current form, the Lions are pretty sorted for wings. Still, we could have used Basson. I also feel the Lions are short one more lock (we should have put some cash on the table for Juandre Kruger) and a hooker (Deon Fourie would have been another good buy).
21 Sep 2010, 08:54 am
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-42:
Had Basson come to WP, he would’ve started at 14, because De Jongh is a CENTRE and Aplon will start at 15.
21 Sep 2010, 08:54 am
@katman(katman)-55: You guys are short in the following catergories: Hooker, Prop, Lock, loose forwards(2) centers, wings and fullback!
You have a scrummy, flyhalf and Wikus.
21 Sep 2010, 08:55 am
@Tegejo(Tegejo)-57: Sorry, and a good coach!
21 Sep 2010, 08:55 am
@katman(katman)-55:
Hehehehe!
“Lions could have used Basson”.
Hehehehe!
Katman, didn’t you read? The BIG unions were chasing Basson. On what conceivable basis can you even fantasize about the Lions having the opportunity to sign him?
That’s like saying Boland would have found Bassons’ services quite useful. Sure they would, but that doesn’t mean that there was ever actually a chance that he would play for them.
Hehehe. Classic.
Lions fans already losing perspective, I see.
21 Sep 2010, 08:56 am
@Frankly speaking(Frankly speaking)-56: He wants to win trophies. Hence, a very good move!
21 Sep 2010, 08:56 am
“She said that she would like to be an inspiration to other women (Wynand Olivier) and encourage them to look after their bodies and stay fit and healthy.”
21 Sep 2010, 08:57 am
i think the Bulls were convinced on Basson after he skinned Lambie in their first encounter with the Sharks, he made a doos of him twice. All the best Bjorn!
21 Sep 2010, 08:57 am
@Tacitus(Tacitus)-59: On fire! Lovin’ it!
21 Sep 2010, 08:58 am
So basically there is only there big Unions
1. WP
2. North Gauteng
3. Cheetahs/Sharks
21 Sep 2010, 08:59 am
@Tacitus(Tacitus)-59: You seem to forget that only a dodgy yellow card for a chest high tackle from behind by van Heerden prevented a loss for your gaggle of smurfs on their beloved home turf three days ago. So I guess that’s puts your lot firmly outside the “big unions” too then.
21 Sep 2010, 08:59 am
I see Mark and Jake divorced. Winning ways LOL , the joke of the year , see what a decent coach did for the Lions. See Below article if you have not heard of it yet. The Lions management should be fined for wasting money on this ****.
A lucrative business deal involving former Springbok coach Jake White, Highbury Safika Media and rugby writer Mark Keohane has turned sour and ended up in the Western Cape High Court.
On Monday Highbury and Keohane applied to place the joint sports venture they had launched with White under provisional liquidation.
In papers before the court Keohane, who is employed by Highbury Safika as its publishing director, said that the application was in fact a “last resort” after “every endeavour to resolve the dispute” over the joint company, Jake White’s Winning Way (PTY) Ltd, of which they are all shareholders.
Former Wallabies coach, Eddie Jones, who was to assist White with the company, has also been listed as a shareholder. The dispute, said Keohane, has since seen the shareholders reach “deadlock”, particularly over the division of shares and other monetary matters.
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The papers say that there is “no prospect” of it ever being resolved.
Keohane said that both he and White had agreed that there was a lack of coaching of coaches in the country, especially at schools level and White felt he was an “outstanding identifier” of talent at junior level.
“(White) felt this could be maximised by virtue of a player agency in which the youngster’s future could be guided professionally by White and (Highbury), with White providing the rugby intellectual capital and (Highbury) the business expertise, both from an intellectual point of view and because of access to existing resource,” he said.
Keohane said because White had won the World Cup, he had suggested that the company be called “Jake White’s Winning Way”.
It was White who wanted to bring Jones on board, said Keohane, where Jones’ involvement would be beyond a consultancy level as their intention had always been to “explore the Japanese emerging rugby market” as the country was due to host the Rugby World Cup in 2019.
Highbury would “finance the working capital requirements ? until the (company)
21 Sep 2010, 08:59 am
If you look at things properly and realistically,SA with its player resources should be dominating Tri Nations and Superrugby,but no,we are dominated by countries with limited resources.Anyone who was doubting just how k.ak Ludicrous is can see now,he was aided by his player pool,why is it that only the Bulls are struggling?its because they have a rubbish coach who also happened to coach the very same Lions who are being ressurected by a New Zealander.Am I the only one who questioned why Ludeke was given the Bulls coaching post?NO,he is gonna coach the Bulls back to the bottom of the Super Rugby doldrums.
21 Sep 2010, 09:00 am
@Frankly speaking(Frankly speaking)-56: The Stormers have a major balancing act next year with players such as de Jongh. Is he going to be happy sat on the bench behind Fourie and de Villiers? It is World Cup year after all, and he is in with a shot of making the squad, although only if he has game time. Surely he has to play somewhere, as the Bulls did with Hougaard this year? Is their not maybe the chance that he might be played on the wing?
And what about Jantjes? Are you going to play Aplon ahead of him? Stick Jantjes on the bench? Or have him play Vodacom Cup?
21 Sep 2010, 09:00 am
@Tegejo(Tegejo)-63: Mate, all you have to do is chuck in a couple of hehehehe’s, support the bulls and say something like “poep” and you’ll love the post. Not all that hard to please you.
21 Sep 2010, 09:01 am
lucrative business deal involving former Springbok coach Jake White, Highbury Safika Media and rugby writer Mark Keohane has turned sour and ended up in the Western Cape High Court.
On Monday Highbury and Keohane applied to place the joint sports venture they had launched with White under provisional liquidation.
In papers before the court Keohane, who is employed by Highbury Safika as its publishing director, said that the application was in fact a “last resort” after “every endeavour to resolve the dispute” over the joint company, Jake White’s Winning Way (PTY) Ltd, of which they are all shareholders.
Former Wallabies coach, Eddie Jones, who was to assist White with the company, has also been listed as a shareholder. The dispute, said Keohane, has since seen the shareholders reach “deadlock”, particularly over the division of shares and other monetary matters.
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The papers say that there is “no prospect” of it ever being resolved.
Keohane said that both he and White had agreed that there was a lack of coaching of coaches in the country, especially at schools level and White felt he was an “outstanding identifier” of talent at junior level.
“(White) felt this could be maximised by virtue of a player agency in which the youngster’s future could be guided professionally by White and (Highbury), with White providing the rugby intellectual capital and (Highbury) the business expertise, both from an intellectual point of view and because of access to existing resource,” he said.
Keohane said because White had won the World Cup, he had suggested that the company be called “Jake White’s Winning Way”.
It was White who wanted to bring Jones on board, said Keohane, where Jones’ involvement would be beyond a consultancy level as their intention had always been to “explore the Japanese emerging rugby market” as the country was due to host the Rugby World Cup in 2019.
Highbury would “finance the working capital requirements ? until the (company)
21 Sep 2010, 09:01 am
Bloody Bulls poaching players.
Leave the Griquas alone.
So who’ll miss out next year? Van der Heever, Akona or Bjorn?
21 Sep 2010, 09:02 am
@Tegejo(Tegejo)-57: The problem is they only have one scrummy and one flyhalf!
21 Sep 2010, 09:02 am
Bjorn has signed his contract and is a Blue Bulls as from 1 November,’ Van Rooyen told SuperSport.com.
‘Bjorn is a very good player and the Bulls were very professional in the manner that they approached us to negotiate with him. We don’t want to lose him but rugby is a business and the decision was the best for all parties concerned. He is one of the best finishers in the country.’
Take a leaf, Sharkies!
21 Sep 2010, 09:04 am
Is this the first time a transfer fee has been paid in South African rugby?
21 Sep 2010, 09:06 am
@katman(katman)-69: Still wiping the egg of your face, I see!
21 Sep 2010, 09:07 am
Basson will be like zane, zane was also good @ griquas (playing against the minnows (big 4′s B teams) in the CC .. zane is k@k, i think basson will also struggle – lets wait and see
21 Sep 2010, 09:07 am
Bjorn is a great player. And he is loyal as well. I remember the Bulls approached him about a year ago, but he stayed loyal to Griquas.
Much better option than Mr. Mapoe, who will probably fit in better with Sharks culture in any case, judging by his dodgy attitude to contractual obligations.
Also, Bjorn will smoke Mapoe in a footrace. So now the Bulls will have TWO lightning fast wings.
We now just need an outside centre and a backup flyhalf, and we will be ready to rock.
Can’t believe JP Pietersen’s price was three times that of Basson. Basson is a better investment on all fronts. I would actually have paid more for Basson than for Pietersen, if I had to choose between the two.
We are going to turn him into a superstar. Watch this space.
21 Sep 2010, 09:08 am
lucrative business deal involving former Springbok coach Jake White, Highbury Safika Media and rugby writer Mark Keohane has turned sour and ended up in the Western Cape High Court.
On Monday Highbury and Keohane applied to place the joint sports venture they had launched with White under provisional liquidation.
In papers before the court Keohane, who is employed by Highbury Safika as its publishing director, said that the application was in fact a “last resort” after “every endeavour to resolve the dispute” over the joint company, Jake White’s Winning Way (PTY) Ltd, of which they are all shareholders.
Former Wallabies coach, Eddie Jones, who was to assist White with the company, has also been listed as a shareholder. The dispute, said Keohane, has since seen the shareholders reach “deadlock”, particularly over the division of shares and other monetary matters.
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The papers say that there is “no prospect” of it ever being resolved.
Keohane said that both he and White had agreed that there was a lack of coaching of coaches in the country, especially at schools level and White felt he was an “outstanding identifier” of talent at junior level.
“(White) felt this could be maximised by virtue of a player agency in which the youngster’s future could be guided professionally by White and (Highbury), with White providing the rugby intellectual capital and (Highbury) the business expertise, both from an intellectual point of view and because of access to existing resource,” he said.
Keohane said because White had won the World Cup, he had suggested that the company be called “Jake White’s Winning Way”.
It was White who wanted to bring Jones on board, said Keohane, where Jones’ involvement would be beyond a consultancy level as their intention had always been to “explore the Japanese emerging rugby market” as the country was due to host the Rugby World Cup in 2019.
Highbury would “finance the working capital requirements ? until the (company)
21 Sep 2010, 09:08 am
@katman(katman)-65: Dude, dont go there! If you’re attempting to compare the two unions, you’ll get slaughtered. Wait till the Lions wins a trophy before getting c0cky. Not after a couple of RR wins.
21 Sep 2010, 09:08 am
@Tacitus(Tacitus)-77: How long is Basson’s contract at the Bulls?
21 Sep 2010, 09:09 am
Fantastic news in Basson
Now the bulls need an outside centre.
I can think of one who will be sitting in the bench for the stormers next year.
21 Sep 2010, 09:09 am
Simple the Stormers backline will be:
9 Duvenage
10 Grant
11 Habana
12 de Villiers
13 Fourie
14 Aplon
15 Jantjes
There as plenty of games (19 by the time the Stormers make the final) so surely de Jongh will get his chance. Rotation and depth will be important
21 Sep 2010, 09:09 am
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-80:
Don’t know. I’m waiting for the press release on the Bulls website.
21 Sep 2010, 09:09 am
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-68:
…in a maties jersey.
Jantjies will wow the crowds at the Danie Craven Stadium next year with his famous torpedo-up n unders
Aplon will start at 15, Habs and JJ ENgelbrecht on the wings.
I think JDiv, Jacques and JdJ will be rotated through the S15.
There’s now way Pantene will take JdJ’s place in the WC squad
21 Sep 2010, 09:10 am
@Tacitus(Tacitus)-77: Basson has scored more Currie Cup tries than Mapoe has played games yet he thinks he is God’s gift to rugby.
21 Sep 2010, 09:10 am
Jake’s business goes belly up
2010-09-21 08:34
Cape Town – A business deal between former Springbok coach Jake White, local publishing business Highbury Safika Media, and rugby writer Mark Keohane has turned sour, ending up in the Western Cape High Court.
Aeysha Kassiem of the Cape Times reports that Highbury and Keohane have applied to place the venture with White under provisional liquidation.
Keohane, employed by Highbury Safika as the publishing director, said in court papers that the application was in fact a “last resort” after “every endeavour to resolve the dispute” over the joint company, Jake White’s Winning Way (PTY) Ltd, of which they are all shareholders.
Former Australian coach and assistant to White during the Rugby World Cup in 2007, Eddie Jones, has also been listed as a shareholder. The dispute, said Keohane, has since seen the shareholders reach “deadlock”, particularly over the division of shares and other monetary matters.
The papers say that there is “no prospect” of it ever being resolved.
Keohane said that both he and White had agreed that there was a lack of coaching of coaches in the country, especially at schools level and White felt he was an “outstanding identifier” of talent at junior level.
“(White) felt this could be maximised by virtue of a player agency in which the youngster’s future could be guided professionally by White and (Highbury), with White providing the rugby intellectual capital and (Highbury) the business expertise, both from an intellectual point of view and because of access to existing resource,” he said.
The company was called “Jake White’s Winning Way”.
Jones’ involvement was to be beyond a consultancy level as their intention was to “explore the Japanese emerging rugby market” as the country was due to host the Rugby World Cup in 2019.
21 Sep 2010, 09:10 am
@WP_(WP_)-82: de Jongh to play maybe 5 Super 15 games throughout the season? Not a lot of fun for an up and coming Springbok.
21 Sep 2010, 09:11 am
@Tacitus(Tacitus)-83: Hope its a long contract, and not one of those 1 or 2 year contracts.
21 Sep 2010, 09:12 am
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-80: @Tacitus(Tacitus)-83: 1 year
21 Sep 2010, 09:13 am
@Falken(Falken)-89:
Probably to give him the flexibility to see if he likes it at the Bulls. Believe me, he will like it.
21 Sep 2010, 09:14 am
Glad to see Griquas get something for him. I wonder how much the transfer fee was? Maybe R1.5 million or maybe R2 million??
21 Sep 2010, 09:14 am
@Frankly speaking(Frankly speaking)-84: Thats what you want!
Jantjies 15
Habana 11
Aplon 14
Jdj on the bench to cover 12 and 13
21 Sep 2010, 09:15 am
The Bulls should go after JdJ! Cant believe Rassie and Coetzee brought Jean Div back from Ireland
21 Sep 2010, 09:16 am
Kockott
Grant
De Jongh
Mossie
JDV (wing)
JJ
Aplon
Habana = vodacom cup
21 Sep 2010, 09:17 am
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-88: You will see unions offering more long contracts to secure players and to ward off other unions trying to buy them. The concept of transfer fee’s has finally emerged in rugby and its all thanks to Mapoe. Its taken rugby some time though. Just shows you how far behind rugby and cricket are in terms of professionalism.
21 Sep 2010, 09:17 am
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-93: +1.
A good buy for the Bulls. And he’ll be starting every game, not playing in grandpa’s shadow. WP wont release him though.
21 Sep 2010, 09:17 am
@iori Yagami(iori Yagami)-91:
I’m happy with that. It is the ethical way to do business.
In this way, everyone benefits.
The Bulls are building their new dynasty, and they are doing it in the correct manner.
21 Sep 2010, 09:19 am
@Tacitus(Tacitus)-83: How do you see Hougaard’s role in next year’s Super 15. I would like to see Hougaard and Kruger used to give as much rest as possible to FdP and Matfield. The same should be done with Spies as he loses a lot of his edge throughout a season.
21 Sep 2010, 09:19 am
@WP_(WP_)-71: No different from what WP does brother , at least in this case Griquas received some sort of compensation. How much did the Lions get for Fourie ? The Bulls for Habana ?
21 Sep 2010, 09:19 am
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-93:
Bulls buy a WP outside centre – check (Stefan Dippenaar)
21 Sep 2010, 09:20 am
#92
Why must de jongh be benshed
Fourie can cover wing and centre
JDv can cover centre and wing
Why was Kockett bought.
21 Sep 2010, 09:20 am
@Horings(Horings)-98:
See post 49 or thereabouts. Essentially, Hougaard as backup to Du Preez, but starting a lot of games due to the length of the competition. Also to fill in as utility backline reserve from the bench, allowing us to pick an extra forward among the replacements.
21 Sep 2010, 09:20 am
@Tacitus(Tacitus)-77: JPP is a world Cup winner Tac and has like a million more international caps than Basson therefore his price tag should be higher. One would think this is common sense.
21 Sep 2010, 09:20 am
@quotas_sux(quota_conrad_jantjies_is_jorrie_muller)-94: Till when is Grant in Japan?
21 Sep 2010, 09:21 am
@quotas_sux(quota_conrad_jantjies_is_jorrie_muller)-94: JDV wing ? how difficult as it sounds U just lost more creditability there !
21 Sep 2010, 09:22 am
aha, now the doos jake white is shown up. Man the Lions must be feeling stupid for falling for all that ‘audit’ kak by jake
what dumbarses! The only thing jake did was to shaft Loffie, otherwise nothing came out of that bogus audit. What a bunch of morons.
21 Sep 2010, 09:22 am
@iori Yagami(iori Yagami)-103:
I always struggle to understand that logic. Same as WP purchasing Habana.
Why pay more for a guy whose greatest achievements are behind him, as opposed to guy who will still achieve his greatest stuff for you on the pitch?
Other than publicity value there’s little logic to it.
21 Sep 2010, 09:22 am
@Tegejo(Tegejo)-96: A backline with:
9. The Prince
10. Stain
11. Basson
12. Watermeyer
13. JdJ
14. Gerhard
15. Zane / ?
21 Sep 2010, 09:24 am
@adi(adi)-101: Did they eventually bought Kockett?
21 Sep 2010, 09:24 am
@iori Yagami(iori Yagami)-95: I am not sure if it is professionalism, big transfer fees. Its a way of doing it, but I am not such a fan of it.
A contract should be a contract, and if it becomes popular in rugby, will only hurt the poorer unions, and also SA rugby in the long run. What happens if Northern Hemisphere teams start offering transfer fees to buy players out of a contract?
21 Sep 2010, 09:25 am
@iori Yagami(iori Yagami)-103: don’t worry, if a player is not signed to the Bulls then he is overrated, check now apparently Mapoe has a ‘dodgy attitude’ but 6 months ago Tac was gagging for him to be a Bull.
21 Sep 2010, 09:25 am
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-108: A beautiful prospect!
21 Sep 2010, 09:26 am
black players dont come through bulls ranks
Bulls simply poach
especially from griquas
Zane also form griquas
Habanero..Lions
need i say more
21 Sep 2010, 09:26 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-111: To be fair, Mapoe has shown in the last 6 months that he does have a dodgy attitude!
21 Sep 2010, 09:27 am
@Tacitus(Tacitus)-107: Experience Tac experience. Also knowing that at some point that guy will produce something brilliant for you because he has done it in the past.
21 Sep 2010, 09:28 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-111:
That’s how we roll!
21 Sep 2010, 09:28 am
Rassie 1st bought Fourie and De Jong had to move to adapt to 12
Then jean is brought back and With Fourie rest de jongh moves to 13
Newman and De jongh should move to the Lions or Sharks.
21 Sep 2010, 09:29 am
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-114: Why not blame the Sharks with their dodgy contract signing attitude since 1990!
21 Sep 2010, 09:29 am
@iori Yagami(iori Yagami)-103: Past performance is not an indicator of future returns. Basson is much better value than JPP if his price is indeed 70% lower.
21 Sep 2010, 09:29 am
@adi(adi)-117: Newman, de Jongh, Bosch and Whitehead will all be struggling for game time.
21 Sep 2010, 09:29 am
@Papoose(papaown)-113:
hmmm maybe i should rather say POC’s and not Blecks
21 Sep 2010, 09:29 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-111:
Hmmmm, I would have expected the words “Tacitus” and “gagging” to appear in the same post as “Spies”…
21 Sep 2010, 09:30 am
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-110: It will help the poorer unions Wolfman. Here Griquas is getting a sum of money for a player that came through there ranks…they are basically making a million rand profit. And if the unions are strong financially then SA rugby will be strong financially.
21 Sep 2010, 09:31 am
Bjorn Basson is going to score a LOT of tries for the Blue Bulls. Barring a great 13, it’s probably their only weakness.
Move over Hekkies, there is a new sherif in town.
21 Sep 2010, 09:31 am
@least the bulls paid a transfer fee
i must at least commend them for tht
y cant the sharks do the same with Lionel Mapoe?
21 Sep 2010, 09:32 am
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-108: Good Currie Cup backline. Average Super Rugby backline. Potential weak links at 12 & 15.
21 Sep 2010, 09:32 am
@Papoose(papaown)-121: There are no POC in Tswane
21 Sep 2010, 09:33 am
Mighty, JDJ will never lift his “killer” @ the Bulls … maybe at the Boks, but not at the bulls/loftus!
21 Sep 2010, 09:33 am
Bulls are on the move!
This is a huge signing.
Bjorn the Bull is going to be a great.
21 Sep 2010, 09:33 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-111: Look, he is a BRILLIANT player! I would have loved for him to play in Blue, but seems like he’s still got some growing up to do… JMO
21 Sep 2010, 09:34 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-124:
vd Heever and Bjorn will be the two wings.
21 Sep 2010, 09:34 am
Is Naas Olivier going to the Bulls next year?
21 Sep 2010, 09:35 am
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-118: It takes two to tango! Mapoe could have returned to the Cheetahs by now, and have been playing in the Currie Cup, but has decided to stay in Dirtbin with no chance of any game time this year.
He has gone from a player who should have been selected for the EOYT last year, to having played about 5 games all season, and basically being a season behind in his development, and essentially being semi-retired.
21 Sep 2010, 09:37 am
@quotas_sux(quota_conrad_jantjies_is_jorrie_muller)-128: No need to lift Timotei, Watermeyer have already surpass that weaklink
21 Sep 2010, 09:37 am
@Tegejo(Tegejo)-130:
My interest in Mapoe as a wing waned slightly when I read that his time for the 100m was around 12 seconds.
I’d have a look at him at outside centre – although I prefer outside centres like Andre Snyman who did the 100m in 10.8 – it just gives you that extra edge on cover defense, hitting the outside gap etc.
21 Sep 2010, 09:37 am
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-133: On a recent Facebook status update he mentioned that he will be back on the park soon. o word on for whom though.
21 Sep 2010, 09:38 am
WP should trade Whitehead and Newman for Coenie Oosthuizen and WP Nel
21 Sep 2010, 09:38 am
@Boks should grow moustaches for RWC(Kid_Senekal)-132:
The Bulls have expressed interest in signing up Naas Olivier.
21 Sep 2010, 09:38 am
@Boks should grow moustaches for RWC(Kid_Senekal)-119: He might be better value but he cant demand a transfer fee on JPP level. What will this transfer fee be based on for Basson?? How much Bok caps?? How much games he played for Griquas? JPP won a World Cup and Tri-Nations and B&I Lions series and a Currie Cup obviously his fee is going to be higher than lowly Basson who only has 1 bok cap. And who says Basson will reach the heights of JPP and Habana?? He might get a serious injury that will hamper his performance then what?? Oh but Tact can see into the future and he knows Basson will be a great. Thats why people will pay more for Habana and JPP because you know what they can do…Basson still needs to show us on test level what he is capable of. Thats why JPP has a higher transfer than Basson and rightfully so he has earned it.
21 Sep 2010, 09:39 am
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-138:
Yes, that’s because they need someone to back up Steyn in the S15. Brummer is not ready yet, and Potgieter will be with the Sharks.
21 Sep 2010, 09:39 am
Talking about Andre Snyman…what a beautifull try against the Sharks way back at Loftus…Running through the whole Sharks team
21 Sep 2010, 09:40 am
@iori Yagami(iori Yagami)-139:
Transfer fee is based on the value of the remaining period of your current contract, which you are being bought out of.
21 Sep 2010, 09:41 am
@iori Yagami(iori Yagami)-123: But then they have to try and replace a player of Basson’s quality with that million rand, which isn’t likely to happen. Any decent young talent will be snapped up by the bigger unions from the smaller unions irregardless of the contract, with the smaller unions getting some money for it, but not having the player any-more.
21 Sep 2010, 09:42 am
@Tacitus(Tacitus)-135: I’ve never seen ANY player ripping a well organized defence to pieces like he did the Bulls’ two seasons ago, running through the entire backline untouched.
21 Sep 2010, 09:42 am
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-141:
Athletically, he was probably the most gifted centre SA ever had. His ball skills and general reading of the play not quite as good.
He was a bit of a Pierre Spies of centres, actually.
21 Sep 2010, 09:42 am
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-136: Maybe with his mates for a game of touchies?
21 Sep 2010, 09:43 am
@Tacitus(Tacitus)-77: No ways Basson is better than Mapoe , he might have been capped before him but out and out Mapoe is a better winger. I think u need to take off the bulls blinkers here tac
21 Sep 2010, 09:43 am
If sharks offered Cheetahs R800 000 for Mapoe and Cheetahs say they want R1.5 million for Mapoe then Basson atleast as to equal the R1.5 mil or maybe go for R2 mil. Seeing that he has been capped at International level.
21 Sep 2010, 09:43 am
@Tegejo(Tegejo)-144:
No, you’re thinking of Fabian Juries, who did that 20 step dance through the entire Bulls backline. Mapoe’s try wasn’t nearly as impressive.
21 Sep 2010, 09:43 am
@Tacitus(Tacitus)-135: What do you think of Basson as a possible fullback. His finishing is great, but what really impresses me of him is his skills in the air. He is definitely better in the air than Kirchner and vd Heever, although vd Heever has improved his basic skills a lot throughout this year. He is quickly becoming one of the best defensive wingers in the country.
21 Sep 2010, 09:43 am
@Tacitus(Tacitus)-131: Yeah I know, I’m just saying that I think Basson may be the new star. I wonder of he’ll play 11 or 14. Doesn’t he play 14 for Grikwas?
21 Sep 2010, 09:44 am
@sparticus(sparticus)-147:
Mapoe doesn’t have the pace for an international wing. Didn’t you see, even the Cheetahs moved him to centre in his last season in Bloem.
That’s where his future lies.
21 Sep 2010, 09:44 am
@Tacitus(Tacitus)-135: so what is Jaco Pretorius’ official time?
bwahahahahaha
21 Sep 2010, 09:45 am
@Tacitus(Tacitus)-107: Brian was tired pf chasing Burglars in Gauteng. Wanted a quieter life in the Cape. Pity that it carried over into his game…
21 Sep 2010, 09:45 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-151:
Basson is a more lethal attacker at this stage of his career than vd Heever is at the moment.
But I think he is a year or so older than Gerhard.
In a couple of years time, the Bulls could have one of the top international wing pairs running out for them.
21 Sep 2010, 09:45 am
@Tacitus(Tacitus)-149: Was Fabian. But Mapoe man-handled Shadow pretty badly in that game.
21 Sep 2010, 09:46 am
Basson is an excellent signing. He’s got fantastic pace and I’ve seen him take some phenomenal catches of high kicks, that he chased. I don’t really know why he wasn’t picked for the Boks in the Tri Nations when the tittle was gone and the incumbent players where totally off form?
21 Sep 2010, 09:46 am
@Frankly speaking(Frankly speaking)-137: Who needs Whitehead and Newman when you’ve got Bosman and Uys?…
BTW… Waylon Murray is my dark horse for a bolter selection on the EOYT. Playing some awesome rugby.
21 Sep 2010, 09:47 am
@Tacitus(Tacitus)-142: That is only a small part of it.
21 Sep 2010, 09:47 am
@Tacitus(Tacitus)-145: Big and strong. His partnership with Danie van Schalkwyk was special although Danie’s debut against the AllBlacks at Loftus was piss poor
21 Sep 2010, 09:47 am
@HongKongSlong(HongKongSlong)-157: Like a number of other players also.
21 Sep 2010, 09:47 am
So Keo and Jake are getting a divorce.
I wonder, who gets custody of Eddie?
How much child support will they have to pay?
living in Japan is expensive.
21 Sep 2010, 09:48 am
@Boks should grow moustaches for RWC(Kid_Senekal)-158: Although Bosman is at the Sharkies next year!
21 Sep 2010, 09:48 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-153: Basson + 2.5s.
21 Sep 2010, 09:49 am
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-163: That’s true.
21 Sep 2010, 09:49 am
Anybody got any contacts at Bulls or Griquas to find out how much the Bulls paid for Basson?
21 Sep 2010, 09:49 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-153:
Pretorius was originally a wing and a sevens player. Very fast, but he’s lost speed in the last couple of years, and it is time for him to hang up his boots soon, I reckon.
21 Sep 2010, 09:50 am
@gunther(gunther)-162:
Have to wait for the paternity test
21 Sep 2010, 09:51 am
@Tacitus(Tacitus)-167:
moreover pretorious seems to be the first rugby player to be made entirely of glass.
bulls need to buy de jongh.
21 Sep 2010, 09:52 am
So this means that Francois Hougaard is going to sit bench!
21 Sep 2010, 09:52 am
@Tacitus(Tacitus)-149: And now he finds himself on the WP bench at the best of times. So sad.
21 Sep 2010, 09:54 am
@iori Yagami(iori Yagami)-170:
Yes, as will Juandre Kruger and Flip vd Merwe, but after the 2011 S15, they will all be in the starting line up for the next 5 years or so.
So a little patience will go a long way, in this case.
21 Sep 2010, 09:55 am
@Horings(Horings)-150:
Actually, vd Heever may be the better option at fullback. He was a fullback at junior level.
21 Sep 2010, 09:56 am
@iori Yagami(iori Yagami)-170: Outside centre for the Zefmeister. He is too good not to play, the Bulls don’t have a decent 13, and Hougie has experience there.
21 Sep 2010, 09:57 am
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-168:
eddie looks more like keo than jake.
maybe he has a bit of Zuma in him.
He wouldn’t be the first.
21 Sep 2010, 09:57 am
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-174: Not sure how Stefan Dippenaar is going to feel about that… the 2 of them are dik tjommies apparantly.
21 Sep 2010, 10:00 am
@Tacitus(Tacitus)-152: Dont agree , Mapoe was moved to centre due to lack of better replacements. He has buckets of speed
21 Sep 2010, 10:01 am
got to say that i am very impressed with Juandre Kruger…..the hype was justified….a magnificent lock….will be a bok soon.
21 Sep 2010, 10:01 am
@Tacitus(Tacitus)-155: Tac, Sharks have too. With Mvovo and JPP. Two brilliant wings.
Once the Mapoe situation gets sorted out we have him too.
Bulls too with Basson have brilliant wings now.
SA are totally sorted with the Wings for many years to come. Huge talent we have there.
21 Sep 2010, 10:03 am
@sparticus(sparticus)-177: Agree, Mapoe it pure blitz. Plenty speed he has.
21 Sep 2010, 10:03 am
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-174: Ja for 1 game!
21 Sep 2010, 10:04 am
@Tacitus(Tacitus)-155: Yes, i’m a big fan. I think he’s a real class act as a player. I’m saddened at his move, because it means that 6 times a year I’ll be cheering for him to fail. The rest of the time I’ll be fully behind him.
21 Sep 2010, 10:05 am
@Falken(Falken)-181: Also spent his junior days there – played under 20s at 13 if I remember correctly. He barely had any experience on the wing before this year’s Super 14!
21 Sep 2010, 10:07 am
@grant10(grant10)-178: Yeah, he might have a future as a 7 – I think we can expect him to fill the role Rossouw played when he was younger – lock/backrower. Good pace and athleticism.
Plenty of decent locks coming through – although they are mostly at the Bulls!
21 Sep 2010, 10:07 am
@Puma(Puma)-180:
From Times live, 3 October 2009: 30 seconds with Lionel Mapoe:
Question: Which other sports did you participate in at school?
Answer: I did the 100m and 200m in athletics and played second-team cricket. I wasn’t that fast – my 100m time was about 11.4sec. I was a first-change bowler.
21 Sep 2010, 10:09 am
Been away for a while and come back and notice there are far too many group hugs, kissing and agreeing with each other
What is going on here??
How can anyone agree with Tac??
21 Sep 2010, 10:10 am
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-184: personally i would leave him as a 5 lock……but he is certainly an athlete of distinction…..that vital tackle he made vs the lions was a game saver.
21 Sep 2010, 10:10 am
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-141:
and through
the poms
at
twickenham
21 Sep 2010, 10:12 am
@Tacitus(Tacitus)-185: Now ask him how quick he is with a rugby ball under his arm, and the fullback and cover defence to beat. Its a different type of skill and a different type of pace.
21 Sep 2010, 10:13 am
I am so happy Basson a Bull, this made my week.
21 Sep 2010, 10:14 am
@grant10(grant10)-187: Yeah it was, and he isn’t an athlete in the Pierre Spies mold! His game is based on him having impressive bench pressing stats, but rather an excellent feel for the game, and the athleticism which ensures that he is in the right place at the right time.
I would like to see him tour at the end of the year, if we send over a young team. He has largely been a leader in a young Bulls pack and also has experience of playing in the Northern Hemisphere.
21 Sep 2010, 10:14 am
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-189:
Weren’t you the guy who argued yesterday that the bulked up guys are now slower than their best matric 100m times?
21 Sep 2010, 10:14 am
Someone on this site has the worst poker face in the world.
He was obviously deeply concerned about the Bulls depth for next years S14. His relief over this signing is actually palpable.
Its like he had pocket aces in a poker game and instead of remaining calm, he’s got a massive smile accross his face.
21 Sep 2010, 10:14 am
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-191: should say “isn’t based…”
21 Sep 2010, 10:15 am
@Tacitus(Tacitus)-185: Interesting , I wonder if he got any faster , he certainly looks fast , also how fast that compare with Ven Der Heever ?
21 Sep 2010, 10:15 am
@Tacitus(Tacitus)-167: operative word ‘was’, between him and stephan ‘higginbotham left me’ dippenaar the bulls are kak @ centre.
21 Sep 2010, 10:17 am
@Bod(bod)-186:
fuckoff.
how’s that for a group hug.
21 Sep 2010, 10:18 am
@sparticus(sparticus)-195:
Almost a second difference in their top 100m times. 11.4 vs 10.5.
21 Sep 2010, 10:19 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-196:
Agreed. That’s why it’s time for him to look at bringing his career to a close.
As soon as the Bulls recruit another promising outside centre, that is.
21 Sep 2010, 10:19 am
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-191: ja
i would definitley include him, especially with A Bekker unavailable.
21 Sep 2010, 10:19 am
@Tacitus(Tacitus)-192: Yeah I was, and I am also the guy that doesn’t use times from matric run on a running track as a measurement of a decent wing, or as a measurement of someones pace during a rugby game.
Lombard from the Cheetahs had great straight line speed, but did nothing when he had the ball. Couldn’t step, couldn’t beat a man, couldn’t speed up and slow down in order to hit a gap, etc. Mapoe might be slow straight line speed on a running track, but when he has the ball in his hands, he has the ability to beat players and find space. That is what you want in a wing.
21 Sep 2010, 10:21 am
seems both Sharks and bulls fans frothing at the mouth for JDJ….
hope rassie is aware of the vultures circling.
21 Sep 2010, 10:21 am
@John Galt(John Galt)-193:
I beg to differ… the relief is palpable and due to the fact that finanlly they have a decent wing and can now relegate Pantoffel v/d Heever back to Tukkies and the Varsity Cup
21 Sep 2010, 10:22 am
@grant10(grant10)-202: Hopefully Rassie is still trying to get his 20/20 rugby off the ground.
21 Sep 2010, 10:23 am
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-87: Well would you play him ahead of Jean or Jaque, best centre combo in the world? i wouldnt…
21 Sep 2010, 10:24 am
@gunther(gunther)-197:
Aaaah Gunter….. Didnt realise you could now swear on the site again.
I sense some form of normality returning
21 Sep 2010, 10:25 am
For the Bulls I would play Akona and Bjorn on the wings…
or alternatively Akona at 15 and van der Heever and Bjorn on the wings. (It’s just caus Zane is so ****)
21 Sep 2010, 10:26 am
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-201:
Talking about Friedrich Lombard, I remember when he played wing for the Bulls in the S12. Playing a game in NZ, the Bulls spread the ball to him in their own 22 – I think it was against the Hurricanes.
The Kiwi commentators were suitably surprised but in no way alarmed.
“The ball goes to Lombard and he finds a bit of space on the wing.”
” He rounds his man” (Tone of voice rising ever so slightly).
“Cullen coming in on the cover defense to close the gap.” (Kiwi voice confident and even slightly condescending.
“Now it’s a footrace.” (Voice slightly perplexed as Cullen doesn’t seem to be making any headway).
“This boys got wheels to burn!” (Amazement as Cullen is left behind as if he is wearing lead shoes).
That was a good rugby moment for me.
21 Sep 2010, 10:28 am
@grant10(grant10)-202:
I hope he doesnt go to the Sharks where they will stuff him up just like they did to Waylon Murray.
There again the Bulls arent to pretty with their centres either…
21 Sep 2010, 10:28 am
@grant10(grant10)-202: Really? Do you think JdJ will want to move from Province? I think he seems very settled there, but then there is Fourie, so maybe you could be right.
If so hope Sharks can get him
21 Sep 2010, 10:30 am
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-201: Your last two lines spot on. Agree.
21 Sep 2010, 10:30 am
Tac, agree with you that Basson is a brilliant propesct!
What I find most interesting is the Zeff-meister’s ability to be a utility back. Damn that kid rocks. I see somebody mentioned he played FB previously as well. WTF? What distinguishes him from our previous Jack of All Trades (Brent Russel, Ruan and Frans) is his ability to make a position his own. Granted he’s only proven himself at Wing and SH but fundementally I don’t see an issue with him playing 13 or 15 (speed, strength, tackle technique kicking game). Within a couple of games he delivers a performance the is merits selection in that position. THAT my friends is the mark of true class.
The only thing that counts against him for a long term outside back role is his size, but he makes up for that with the heart of a Bok!
21 Sep 2010, 10:30 am
@WP_(WP_)-205: Not sure if JDV and Jacque are the best centre combination in the world any-more. JDV appeared to be off his game in the Tri-Nations, and he didn’t combine very well with Jacque.
21 Sep 2010, 10:30 am
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-201: Yeah……agree 100%. Why not just go to the SA junior champs….and take all the finalists in the 100m and sign them up?? A wing should have speed BUT a lot more is required…and there is where Shadow the Hurdler falls short.
21 Sep 2010, 10:31 am
@Puma(Puma)-210: sharks got enough problems with Mapoe…..i reckon you boys sort out your high court date with Cheetahs Thursday 1 st before attemting more trouble with Cape Towns favorite son.
21 Sep 2010, 10:33 am
@Two Eyed(Two Eyed)-214: Too be fair, Hurdles has the step to go with his pace. That try against the Highlanders was sweet, and has shown to have more than pace on a couple of occasions. He is still very much a work in progress, but isn’t just a straight line runner.
21 Sep 2010, 10:33 am
@Puma(Puma)-210: Havent you Sharks poached enough already? To add to your current backline you’ve already bought JL Potgieter, Meyer Bosman fo next and you’ve Andre Pretoruis on the bench
Where would you fit him in? I doubt he’d want to go to Durban to be honest mate
21 Sep 2010, 10:33 am
my view on F Hougaard….leave him alone at 9 now…..he will have plenty of opportunity in the super 15…..FDP will be nursed along…../so both can play plenty.
Dont shunt the oke around just because he is good enough.
21 Sep 2010, 10:34 am
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-213: @Two Eyed(Two Eyed)-214:
Name me the best wings in the world, and then list all the ones that are not fast.
Pace certainly doesn’t guarantee that a wing will be great. But lack of pace pretty much guarantees that he will never be more than average.
Pace therefore is a prerquisite. It is a foundation, without which you are pretty much stuck in the realm of mediocrity, if you are wing.
21 Sep 2010, 10:35 am
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-213: Give them a few more games together to gel and then you’ll be singing a different tune
21 Sep 2010, 10:35 am
@grant10(grant10)-215: CT’s favourite son,lol. The Sharks will never buy Donkey De Villiers – never in a million years…
21 Sep 2010, 10:36 am
@WP_(WP_)-207: Thank heavens you are not involved in any team choices!
Akona @ 15???
21 Sep 2010, 10:37 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-221: talking about JDJ….not donkey.
21 Sep 2010, 10:37 am
Why on earth do you want to move JDJ from WP. The BUlls will only stuff up his talent. All they do is kick and chase. I recon Jean de Villiers will probably leave after the WC.
21 Sep 2010, 10:37 am
@Falken(Falken)-222: I dont really give a stuff its the Bulls we’re talking about…
Dont rate Zane at all…
21 Sep 2010, 10:37 am
@Bod(bod)-206:
good to see you are out on parole.
you can’t keep a good comrade down.
21 Sep 2010, 10:38 am
@grant10(grant10)-223: JdJ is not CT’s favourite son… Donkey is, thats why he is 1st choice… like primadonna Joe over aplon
21 Sep 2010, 10:39 am
@grant10(grant10)-223: Hey dont you call Jean a donkey, I wont have that
21 Sep 2010, 10:40 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-227: Talking of Donkey’s, Oupa Terblanche should have retired years ago
21 Sep 2010, 10:40 am
@Tacitus(Tacitus)-219: I agree with you completely. You need pace as a foundation when playing wing.
Where I disagree with you is comparing wings based on how quickly they ran on a running track in Matric. That pace provides a foundation, the true genius of a wing comes in what he can do with that pace, and how he uses that pace in a game of rugby.
Player A might be quicker than player B over 100 metres on a track, but player B might better understand how to use his pace, where to position himself, how to swerve, where the space is etc.
Take a player like Joe Roff – he was deceptively fast, in that he was actually slower than you thought he was. Slow over 100 metres on a track, quick on a rugby field, with ball in hand and players to beat.
21 Sep 2010, 10:42 am
@WP_(WP_)-220: Maybe, but JDV appears to have regressed as a player during his stint in Ireland. I hope he redevelops his passing game, and doesn’t continue to try and be a crash ball who than tries to offload in the tackle.
21 Sep 2010, 10:42 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-227: not so sure……seems JDJ is the MAN here in CT…..wp in a pickle….for my money i would stick with the JDV….JDJ combo for rest of CC….let JF play off bench.
By the way i heard Plod not going to play again in CC this year….great news for Sharks…
@WP_(WP_)-228: Sorry bud…..its that bloody HG being a bad influence
21 Sep 2010, 10:42 am
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-230: What did vd Heever run in Matric?
Koster ran 10.9 on grass into a wind…
Means nothing now though…
21 Sep 2010, 10:42 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-221:
Fark boet you all had hard ons when there was a possibilty of JDEV going to the Sharks……now he’s suddenly a donkey ??? more skill and brains in his little finger than the entire Sharks backline !!!!!!
Only a sses are the deluded sardine boys !!!!
21 Sep 2010, 10:43 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-227: Jdj can fulfill his potential at the Sharks. The benchmark in terms of performance, professionalism and coaching at the moment – Numero Uno in the CC… and thats where they will stay… team of the 90′s gonna be team of the 10′s… Yeah JdJ will fit in nicely.
21 Sep 2010, 10:43 am
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-230:
I was waiting for the Joe Roff example to be put forward.
Wasn’t he the guy who was chased down from behind by Jeff Wilson after a 20m headstart and with an open tryline in front of him?
Granted, he was a good finisher. But give me a good finisher with super pace instead of just a good finisher with average pace anyday.
21 Sep 2010, 10:43 am
@WP_(WP_)-217: I know WP. Just joking there. BUT I rate De Jongh plenty. Great player that.
21 Sep 2010, 10:44 am
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-231: Maybe so, but hopefully not… I still rate him highly, agreed less crash ball is needed…
@grant10(grant10)-232: No worries
, how are we going to juggle our centres next year bud?
21 Sep 2010, 10:45 am
@justrugby(justrugby)-234: Cr.ap man, show me the evidence… Never rated the Donkey… Frans Steyn has always been better at 12 – WC winning 12 that…
21 Sep 2010, 10:45 am
@WP_(WP_)-229: Not until after the CC. Stefan is doing just fine right now. But after the CC agree.
21 Sep 2010, 10:45 am
@Puma(Puma)-237: haha ok, and Mapoe!
Was just wondering if your boys had forgotten you can only field 7 backs at a time!
21 Sep 2010, 10:47 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-227:
I guess you haven’t watched rugby the past 3 months. Joe Pietersen’s left Cape Town quite a while back for France.
Just thought you’d like to know…
21 Sep 2010, 10:47 am
@Tacitus(Tacitus)-236: I agree with you – a good finisher with super pace above a good finisher with average pace.
But I would rather have a super finisher with good pace on a rugby field, than a good finisher with super pace on a track.
Look at O’Connor for example – not quick over a 100metres, but he has the footwork and brains to finish tries, and make line breaks.
Once again, pace on a track is very different to pace on a rugby field with players in front of you and the ball in your hands.
21 Sep 2010, 10:48 am
@Puma(Puma)-240: I think he kicks far too much but he’s solid enough, when Bosman arrives he’s got to go… But do you think Lambie’s best position is 10 or 15, clearly the Sharks think 15 given that JLP is arriving
21 Sep 2010, 10:48 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-239: Frans Steyn at 12…mmmm….nope!
21 Sep 2010, 10:48 am
@Tacitus(Tacitus)-236: Naqelevuki
21 Sep 2010, 10:49 am
@WP_(WP_)-225: Then dont talk about the Bulls!
21 Sep 2010, 10:49 am
@WP_(WP_)-238: Offload one of them to the Bulls – and let the Bulls choose which one!
21 Sep 2010, 10:49 am
@WP_(WP_)-238: lots of rugby to be played next year…..plenty of opportunity for all concerned….big squads required…..with Whitehead and P Bosch things look ok for stormers……ust not lose JDJ ….he is going to be a great.
Stormers need to also retain JC Kritzinger …..
And get another class lock.
I am piss ed off about Hoffmann….sharks got a beaut there….but hear stories that Kockitt headed to Cape Town….so that will be cool.
21 Sep 2010, 10:49 am
@grant10(grant10)-215: Well never even knew we were interested in JdJ Grant, until I read your post. Agree with WP we have enough good players coming to Sharks. So really don’t think we will be going after JdJ (Though I rate him highly, fantastic player)
We will get the Mapoe thing sorted don’t you worry about it okay
21 Sep 2010, 10:49 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-239:
True, I have no probs with FS , but remember he only got his chance because JDEV tore his bicep !!!
So you would prefer, Terblance, Swanepoel and Strauss to JDEV………… ……..seriiaaaaas ??
21 Sep 2010, 10:51 am
so,jake the snake’s and markie-boy’s love affair ended up in the cape high court.well that explains his job hunting skills!
21 Sep 2010, 10:52 am
@grant10(grant10)-249: Agree, lots of rugby, depth and rotation will be important. Got to rotate loosies with Vermeulen, Louw’s and Koster and Hartzenburg. Flo looks buggered to me, played about 20 odd games his year already…
Agree with Kritzinger, solid talent, must keep hold of our front run, they’re developing well.
Hopefully if we get Kockott we’ll send Ricky on his way!
21 Sep 2010, 10:52 am
@Zandberg Jansen(Zandberg Jansen)-245: He did win a World Cup at 12, thank goodness for that, no barndoors open in the 12 channel – No coincidence Bok midfield defence was shoddy with Donkey in the side… Donkey didn’t make the WC – he was too soft, so a 19 yr old youngster took his place and showed him up – people seem to forget easily…
21 Sep 2010, 10:53 am
@justrugby(justrugby)-251: Swannie anyday over the Donkey – at least he can tackle…
21 Sep 2010, 10:54 am
Basson essentially is a straight replacement for Habana at the Bulls.
Only he is younger, quicker, hungrier and by the looks of things, a whole lot more down to earth.
21 Sep 2010, 10:54 am
@WP_(WP_)-244: I think 12. Though Lambie has excelled in all those positions. BUT yes, he was superb at 15 in the S14. For now Sharks must just leave him to play the rest of the CC at FH. He is doing just fine there and could get better.
For Boks after world cup.
9 – Hougaard
10 – Jantjies
11 – Mvovo/Basson
12 – Lambie
13 – De Jongh
14 – JPP/Mapoe
15 – Daniller/Taute
WE HAVE TALENT. Some great youngsters coming through.
21 Sep 2010, 10:54 am
@WP_(WP_)-253:
Send the Rickster to the Sharks !!!
21 Sep 2010, 10:54 am
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-248: We’ll give you Frikkie Welsh back and throw in Ricky Januarie to complete, I think anyway, quite a mouth-watering two-for-the-price of none deal.
What you think?
21 Sep 2010, 10:55 am
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-216: i honestly haven’t seen van der heever step, in the highlanders game he just changed direction and wrong footed defenders.
21 Sep 2010, 10:55 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-254:
Nonesense man, he was injured in the first game !!!
21 Sep 2010, 10:56 am
@Puma(Puma)-257: I like the look of that but I’d throw Frans Steyn in there too… Perhaps at 12 as he gets older? or 15… But TALENT is right…
21 Sep 2010, 10:57 am
@Tacitus(Tacitus)-256: Tac, Basson is brilliant at the moment and think at the Bulls he will get even better. Bulls have bought a gem of a player in him. Just needs to bulk up just a wee bit. Superb player for sure.
21 Sep 2010, 10:57 am
@WP_(WP_)-259: Sure – we will take Ricky – we need an example for all the youngsters at the Bulls of how your career can go wrong if you are not careful, and Frikkie can play prop for the Vodacom Cup team, with de Jongh playing 13 in the Super 15!
21 Sep 2010, 10:58 am
@WP_(WP_)-262: Yes OF COURSE forgot about Fransie. Heck we have talent WP.
21 Sep 2010, 10:59 am
good buy bulls but what happened to bringing players through your great structures?i thought the bulls don’t buy springboks.
21 Sep 2010, 10:59 am
@justrugby(justrugby)-258:
Nah, we getting Hoffman. Have hardly seen him play but heard he is the real deal. Will have to wait and see.
21 Sep 2010, 10:59 am
@justrugby(justrugby)-261: apologies confused the last WC with the one before when Donkey also sha.t himself and got injured so he didn’t have to play in that one either… But WePee must keep Donkey – JdJ can come to the benchmark – the Sharks… He will be numero uno centre in the numero uno team, not no. 3 like at WePee…
21 Sep 2010, 11:00 am
@bluejay(bluejay)-266:
Good one….hehehehe.
21 Sep 2010, 11:00 am
The Bulls haven’t had a wing combination this quick – ever.
In Habana’s prime, he was still paired with the average paced Ndungane.
Now we have two super fast wings, both at least as fast as Habana ever was.
21 Sep 2010, 11:00 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-255: swannie is kak, period! Even Munster wouldn’t even look Swannie’s way
21 Sep 2010, 11:01 am
@justrugby(justrugby)-258: The warthog is the epitome of WePee, he can’t move elsewhere… He fits just perfectly with the Disas
21 Sep 2010, 11:02 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-254: Didnt forget, he played well in the WC, he is just non a centre HG.
21 Sep 2010, 11:02 am
@justrugby(justrugby)-251: even if the Sharks paid Munster to keep Swannie, i’m sure the Oirish would refuse!
21 Sep 2010, 11:02 am
@Puma(Puma)-267:
I have watched Hoffman quite a bit and imo it is imperative that they let him specalise at SH.
He has talent but he is not a FB , wing or FH but could become a very , very good SH !!!!
21 Sep 2010, 11:03 am
@Tacitus(Tacitus)-270: Kirchner is quicker than Roets, isn’t he?
21 Sep 2010, 11:04 am
@Puma(Puma)-263: who are we going to credit when basson breaks habana’s try-scoring record for the boks one day…the kwas or the bulls?didn’t they together with their supporters tried to convince the rest of us that habana never played for the lions?
21 Sep 2010, 11:04 am
@Tacitus(Tacitus)-270: Sharks will compete with Bulls there. (I did read your post on Mapoe’s speed) BUT he is damn fast still with ball in hand. With Mvovo on the otherside we have two great wings. Also still have JPP.
21 Sep 2010, 11:04 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-274:
LOL…… !!!
21 Sep 2010, 11:04 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-271: I am certainly not rating Swannie by any means. He has better D than Donkey though – anyone has better D than DdV, even barndoor Doppies…
Munster realised their mistake with DdV very quickly… Not a munster legend, our Donkey…
21 Sep 2010, 11:06 am
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-243: yeah footwork and a good rugby brain is more important than blistering pace.
21 Sep 2010, 11:06 am
@bluejay(bluejay)-277: Well he is scoring the most tries already in the CC. So for now we have to give credit to Griquas. BUT think Bulls will transform him into a super star. Bulls are a damn fine union and they have a very good backline coach. Good luck you have one of the best.
21 Sep 2010, 11:07 am
@Zandberg Jansen(Zandberg Jansen)-273: Pierre Berbizier and Racing Metro differ (They rate him high enough as 12 to pay him a top 5 salary in France). The Frogs know a thing or 2 about backline play…
21 Sep 2010, 11:08 am
@justrugby(justrugby)-275: Think that is why we bought him. To play him at SH. I have only seen him play on the wing for Province this CC. So have not taken too much notice. Will watch him next year at the Sharks though.
21 Sep 2010, 11:14 am
i also rate F Steyn as a 12…..bottom line is he wants to play 10….12….
He doesent like playing at 15.
21 Sep 2010, 11:14 am
@Big Hit(Big Hit)-281: Jason Robinson…? Fylde’s newest representative…
21 Sep 2010, 11:15 am
joe van niekerk looking great at Toulon….what a try he scored the weekend!
21 Sep 2010, 11:16 am
@Puma(Puma)-284: i rate him a better scrummie than the current wp ‘fourie cloned’scrummie.give him max two years and he will become the best scrummie in sa…just my opinion.
21 Sep 2010, 11:19 am
@grant10(grant10)-285: with frans at 12 de jongh can forget about ever seeing ball again!
21 Sep 2010, 11:19 am
@bluejay(bluejay)-288: agree with you mate…..that Hoffmann is a helleva prospect.
21 Sep 2010, 11:20 am
@bluejay(bluejay)-289: JDV also can be guilty of a bit of ball hogging!
21 Sep 2010, 11:23 am
JDV = 10 times better than JDJ …
21 Sep 2010, 11:24 am
@grant10(grant10)-287: I watched the game… Toulon vs Clermont – couldn’t get the Sharks game. Lot to be said about the standard of Top 14… I think it is a brilliant comp with all the Clubs representing a Town and the City or Town fanatical about their team…
How’s the names in Toulon shirts:
Big Joe,
Wilko,
Hayman,
Contepomi,
Fernandez Lobbe,
Mignoni,
Wulf,
Sackey,
Lamont,
George Smith….
21 Sep 2010, 11:24 am
Why havent we seen a thread about the Keo and Jakey saga?
21 Sep 2010, 11:26 am
@bluejay(bluejay)-289: With Frans at 12, Habanero equalled the record for tries in a WC… Maybe Steyn at 12 is what the Boks are missing… Think about it.
21 Sep 2010, 11:29 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-295: Not one try was off 1st phase. All were either intercepts or off broken play caused the defensive turnovers.
21 Sep 2010, 11:29 am
@bluejay(bluejay)-288: Will watch him next year and see. Seems we then bought ourselves a good scrummie. For now in the CC we doing fine with the two we have. Big squads needed next year so another one wont hurt us…LOL.
21 Sep 2010, 11:29 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-295:
Maybe Butch at 10 was the reason ??????
21 Sep 2010, 11:33 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-293: Names in Racing Metro 92 –
Lionel Nallet
Andrea Lo Cicero
Johnny Leo’o
Sébastien Chabal
Juan Martín Hernández
François Steyn
Mirco Bergamasco
Sireli Bobo
Top 14 is a farking class compo. Will take this anyday over S15 abomination
21 Sep 2010, 11:35 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-295: steyn is more of a ball hog than jdv but the BIGGEST ball hog is Mossie!!
21 Sep 2010, 11:35 am
@gecko(gecko)-296: Cr.ap man – Steyn gave some brilliant offloads…
and I would suggest Steyn was key in many defensive turnovers…
You see, he can tackle, unlike Donkey…
21 Sep 2010, 11:37 am
@justrugby(justrugby)-298: You see, it was 2 Sharkies who made the difference… More Sharks in the team make for a better Bok side…
21 Sep 2010, 11:37 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-293: awesome….i am a big J Wilkinson fan……watch the poms….they are slowly but surely getting there s hit together….i like what Martin Johnson is doing….his approach is ruthless and he is cutting out any form of complacency…..unlike the boks set up….poms will be a handfull come eoyt and wc 2011
21 Sep 2010, 11:38 am
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-294: that’s not going to happen buddy…keohane got more class than jake and won’t stoop to the snake’s level,especially with the case still before the courts.
21 Sep 2010, 11:39 am
Hernandez is injured….again. He is now more brittle than Jonny ever was.
21 Sep 2010, 11:40 am
@bluejay(bluejay)-304: Keohane more class? He is the one that is (dont know if he is still) lobbying for Jakey and Eddie to take over if the Boks fail dismally during the EOYT
21 Sep 2010, 11:41 am
@justrugby(justrugby)-298: probably when butch used the skip pass to number 13!
21 Sep 2010, 11:41 am
@bluejay(bluejay)-304:
class
and keo
in one
sentence
?
21 Sep 2010, 11:41 am
boks will not win wc 2011 with MS at 10….sorry…but he will ruin it for boks.
He simply cannot play out of SA….
21 Sep 2010, 11:41 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-302:
LOL…….your delusion knows no end !!!
By the way both ex Sharks …….ever wonder why ??
21 Sep 2010, 11:42 am
boks must be far ken careful on this eoyt….must select horses for courses….no bloody showponies please….
21 Sep 2010, 11:43 am
@justrugby(justrugby)-310: Lotsa moolah – even the Sharks couldn’t pay, even if they wanted to eg Butch, this year…
21 Sep 2010, 11:46 am
Bok rugby was at its peak during 1980 when only two competed for the CC. “Since 1990″ the Boks performance trendline spiral downwards touching the IRB’s no6
21 Sep 2010, 11:46 am
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-306: not a fan of keohane but if you are honest with yourself the man never personally or officially pushed for jake to take over…maybe his bloggers like ryan and jc.
21 Sep 2010, 11:46 am
@bluejay(bluejay)-307:
LOL…..you said it !!
I actually like FS at 12 , but I also am aware of the class of JDEV, not a bad problem for the Boks……… I wonder if PDEV will consider FS as a 12 or does he view him strictly as a 15 ??
21 Sep 2010, 11:47 am
@justrugby(justrugby)-310: Steyn is a star in France… Munster were not sad to get rid of Donkey… tells you what the perceptions on the international player market are of the 2…
Steyn has got ballas – making a name for himself in a completely different country, culture and language…
21 Sep 2010, 11:49 am
@justrugby(justrugby)-315: F Steyn is PdV’s biggest ballsup of his stint as Bok head honcho…
21 Sep 2010, 11:51 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-316: Saw Donkey watching movies last Friday at Tygervalley
21 Sep 2010, 11:51 am
@grant10(grant10)-303: a good package to watch is the top 10 Top 14 tries of the week… you can get it weekly on youtube or rugbydump… brilliant!
21 Sep 2010, 11:52 am
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-318: And almost called him Donkey
21 Sep 2010, 11:53 am
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-318: I hope you didn’t touch him – he is a bit fragile and breaks easily… he needs to stay as WePee no 1 centre so JdJ can come to the Sharks…
21 Sep 2010, 11:54 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-316:
Or he just went for the highest price ????
Ballas got nothing to do with it imo !!
As i said i like the kid, the future I think is FS at 12, JDEJ at 13 and Lambie at 15 for the Boks !!
21 Sep 2010, 11:54 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-319: thanks…
will watch it….weather looksgreat over there as well….i can see why JVN and F Steyn happy there…
21 Sep 2010, 11:54 am
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-320: LOL
21 Sep 2010, 11:56 am
will be interesting to see how Jantjes and Lambie develop ….i havent seen a lot of them but both not shabby….
21 Sep 2010, 11:58 am
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-320: Just out of interest, are you a Kiwi?
21 Sep 2010, 12:00 pm
@gecko(gecko)-326:
Hy is ‘n Hoerewa!
21 Sep 2010, 12:03 pm
@Slartibartfart(Slartifartfast)-327:
Jou Holborsel
21 Sep 2010, 12:04 pm
@gecko(gecko)-326: No
21 Sep 2010, 12:05 pm
@justrugby(justrugby)-322: Not just the money, although Steyn is a Top earner in France – no Sa team can afford him anymore… like Hayman – the Kiwis cant give him what he gets in France (not just the moolah)… Once you have stuck at it and get used to it – the lifestyle in france is hard to beat, Steyn is doing that – Matfield and Smit couldn’t handle it…
21 Sep 2010, 12:06 pm
who saw F Steyn’s quick kick off on youtube (led to his team try) absolute genius! then we sit with qouta zane
21 Sep 2010, 12:07 pm
@grant10(grant10)-325: in the game against the Bulls on saturday, did you see the backline move with looping the lions were doing – straight out carlos spencer’s manual. I like the look of jantjies, he is not scared to attack the line and he created the doppies try by taking on 2 bulls players and doppies clean up to finish…gutsy young man.
But the true test is Super Rugby and then International level. Otherwise now he is just still a kid with talent.
21 Sep 2010, 12:07 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-330: Well, I’m sure you’ve heard the rumours. Maybe Steyn like playing in France for the same reason Gareth Thomas did.
Should still be in every Bok 22, regardless of his choices.
21 Sep 2010, 12:08 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-330:
And it’s probably a little easier to be….errrr, yourself, in France than it is in Aliwal Noord.
21 Sep 2010, 12:08 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-332: *looping passes*
21 Sep 2010, 12:12 pm
@grant10(grant10)-323: France, especially the South, is great… If JvN and FS learn French adequately they probably won’t want to come back to Sa… Many Saffers don’t realise how fanatical the French are about their rugger, esp in the South… You go into a newsagent and there is a weekly rugger paper (midi olympic), and 4 or 5 French rugger magazines… you even have rugger fashion: Eden Park (Franck Mesnel) and Serge Blanco 15 fashion outlets in many cities … Dilly about their rugby there
21 Sep 2010, 12:12 pm
There are too much Afrikaner blood running through Frans Stain to be a gerty
21 Sep 2010, 12:13 pm
@gecko(gecko)-333: Rubbish, but if so, why should it matter to you…
21 Sep 2010, 12:14 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-332: Ran into him on Sunday in Valhalla Spar. Tried to convince him to join the Bulls, he declined. Nice kid though, shy and humble.
21 Sep 2010, 12:14 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-332: ja….very impressive that kid….he looks the real deal…..perhaps best to see him in superrugby before making him a bok……but sometimes i reckon we should throw the okes in the deep end….
21 Sep 2010, 12:15 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-338: Read my last sentence, it doens’t matter to me.
21 Sep 2010, 12:15 pm
till later
21 Sep 2010, 12:16 pm
mighty, i agree, but luckily for us, he doesn’t have the type of blood PDV has.. imagine that sheesh … mes steek & TIK like old skop … he’d be a walking red card
21 Sep 2010, 12:16 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-306:
Secret alliances control rugby
2010-09-21 09:51
Gary Boshoff
So transformation has been forced back
onto SARU ’s agenda after Happy Ntshingila
of ABSA dared to pass a comment on the
dominating paleness of the Currie Cup
teams on display in the 2010 Currie Cup
Competition. I mean, how could the man be
so stupid?
He should have known better
than to challenge the self-proclaimed holy
grail of white sport in South Africa,
especially when it comes to transformation
and representation in the white man ’s
beloved pastime. How could he have been
so naïve to think that just because ABSA
plans to invest close to R200 million in
rugby (over the next four years) that he, as
Executive Director of Marketing and
Corporate Affairs of ABSA, could suggest
that his partners address the need for more
and greater transformation in the sport?
He
should have known by now that these
guys are only interested in his money and
not his opinion!
In the commercial world of sport, money
speaks louder then politics, tradition or
religion and so it didn ’t come as a surprise
when just as soon as Afriforum started
with an SMS campaign to protest against
Happy Ntshingila ’s comments, the bank’s
deputy CEO Louis Von Greunen denied that
ABSA was in favour of re-introducing
quotas in rugby. He was obviously scared
that the bank ’s objective comments about
the slow pace of transformation in rugby
will cost the bank clients and thus impact
on its profit margins. Nevertheless, ABSA
and for that matter its major shareholder,
Barclays, also realises the importance of
delivering on the mandate of a
transforming South Africa, not only in the
economic and political spheres of society,
but also in the socio-cultural life of the
populace, of which sport forms a central
part. There is no way that ABSA can be seen
to bankroll a sports organisation that still
shows a reluctance to embrace the national
imperative of transformation. I can just
imagine the intensity of the debate.
Perhaps this deliberate attempt by ABSA to
facilitate change in the structures of SARU
will lead to more decisive action on
transformation in the near future?
The challenge of transformation in rugby
has been a long time coming, believe me. I
was there when the first salvos were fired
back in 1992 when the various federations
reached a record of understanding on the
imperative of transformation. Since then
we have had an accumulation of promises
and excuses that has as of yet not
produced the much talked about
representation on the provincial and
national level of the game.
Representation
at junior level has been adequate for many
years, yet the majority of these players
don ’t make it through to their provincial
sides, suggesting a glass ceiling for black
players.
However, the truth is that even in
provinces with black senior coaches and
selectors, black representation has not
grown at a faster pace than elsewhere, in
turn suggesting an all round scarcity of
quality black talent. Whatever the reason, as
of late SARU has not shown the necessary
urgency when dealing with this challenge,
it has primarily been left up to the
provinces to do their own thing.
Nevertheless, it was still very amusing (to
me at least) to read about Hoskins ’ letter to
the provinces calling on them to address
the important matter of transformation.
This letter, obviously prompted by the
comments of Happy Ntshingila does
obviously not carry any urgency and will
have little impact as Hoskins ’ administration
has had their heads buried in the sand on
transformation for so long it is not hard to
see the true motivation behind the letter –
it was money (ABSA’s money) more than
conviction that was talking (almost like
Robert Mugabe agreeing to democratic
elections to qualify for economic assistance
from South Africa).
Transformation in rugby has never only
been about numbers on the field of play, it
has always been about fundamental
change: it was and is about the way the
game is managed; about who gets elected
and the power relations that governs the
various alliances in this important
institution of South African society. The
fact of the matter is that while the majority
of rugby players and supporters in this
country are black, the sport is still run and
controlled by a small minority who through
secret alliances control who gets elected
into the decision-making structures of the
sport.
Until these broader and fundamental
transformational issues are addressed
transparently and with the genuine
intention to change rugby for the better,
the sport will remain a contested terrain in
South Africa.
Gary Boshoff is a former SARU player and
current Afrikaans rugby commentator on
SuperSport.
21 Sep 2010, 12:17 pm
lol, as if Elton will lift M Steyn …lol
21 Sep 2010, 12:18 pm
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-339:
his younger brother is at the bulls.
also a serious talent.
maybe sa’s version of the ella brothers.
21 Sep 2010, 12:18 pm
@JockBok(JockBok)-334: yeah, and be a hero to many French stukkies…. However rugger players also icons in thegay community – re: the player calendars… but not much different to the moff.ie Sa Sports Illustrated photos on rugger players – homoerotic to say the least…
21 Sep 2010, 12:18 pm
@grant10(grant10)-340:
Problem with that is one bad game and it could go either way with his confidence. Remember what happened to Gio a few years ago. Dropped like a hot potato and nearly a career on the rocks. Luckily he got through it and look where he is now. But he was down and out a year after everyone screaming he should be a Bok.
I’d give Jantjies a Super campaign to build the confidence and hone the skills before even thinking about the Boks.
21 Sep 2010, 12:20 pm
gary Boshoff always has been a racist d00s. Always racism this or that and blames whites, but the whole SARU is black/coloured. Always blame white people & apartheid for their own incompetence
21 Sep 2010, 12:21 pm
@JockBok(JockBok)-348: +1
21 Sep 2010, 12:24 pm
@quotas_sux(quota_conrad_jantjies_is_jorrie_muller)-349:
calm down before you rip yourself a new poephol.
21 Sep 2010, 12:27 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-344: Gary Boschof is a typical non-”ethnic african” who will always be first to shout about transformation and injustice and yet will be the first to deny his “black consciousness”….
21 Sep 2010, 12:27 pm
@JockBok(JockBok)-348: ja….that would be ideal….agree.
Problem is though with Butch out and MS due to be rested i am not sure what the other options are….personally i would go with Frans Steyn at 10….although he has a lot of detracors at 10.
21 Sep 2010, 12:28 pm
@JockBok(JockBok)-348: Gaffie du Toit…?
21 Sep 2010, 12:28 pm
Do they show IRB Total Rugby on SA telly? If so, did you see the clip about Oz flyhalves, scrumcaps and receivers in their ears (like SA cricket team tried in late ’90′s)?
You can watch it online at ww.irb.com – although normally a week late.
21 Sep 2010, 12:32 pm
news you wont read on Keo… lol
Cape Town – A business deal between former Springbok coach Jake White, local publishing business Highbury Safika Media, and rugby writer Mark Keohane has turned sour, ending up in the Western Cape High Court.
Aeysha Kassiem of the Cape Times reports that Highbury and Keohane have applied to place the venture with White under provisional liquidation.
Keohane, employed by Highbury Safika as the publishing director, said in court papers that the application was in fact a “last resort” after “every endeavour to resolve the dispute” over the joint company, Jake White’s Winning Way (PTY) Ltd, of which they are all shareholders.
Former Australian coach and assistant to White during the Rugby World Cup in 2007, Eddie Jones, has also been listed as a shareholder. The dispute, said Keohane, has since seen the shareholders reach “deadlock”, particularly over the division of shares and other monetary matters.
The papers say that there is “no prospect” of it ever being resolved.
Keohane said that both he and White had agreed that there was a lack of coaching of coaches in the country, especially at schools level and White felt he was an “outstanding identifier” of talent at junior level.
“(White) felt this could be maximised by virtue of a player agency in which the youngster’s future could be guided professionally by White and (Highbury), with White providing the rugby intellectual capital and (Highbury) the business expertise, both from an intellectual point of view and because of access to existing resource,” he said.
The company was called “Jake White’s Winning Way”.
Jones’ involvement was to be beyond a consultancy level as their intention was to “explore the Japanese emerging rugby market” as the country was due to host the Rugby World Cup in 2019.
21 Sep 2010, 12:32 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-352: what is ‘black consciousness’?
21 Sep 2010, 12:34 pm
@grant10(grant10)-353:
Why?
I say bring on that Jantjese kid for the Nov 2010 EOYT, get Januarie to service him, have Jacobs as 1st receiver, De Jongh Aplon and JP to complement the selection, ya, go for it.
At least we shall have some good fun watching the farce!
21 Sep 2010, 12:35 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-357: Its when you sit under a marula tree with your mates, drinking skokiaan from a shared calabash and ponder the meaning of life while watching over the precious izinkomo…
21 Sep 2010, 12:36 pm
@quotas_sux(quota_conrad_jantjies_is_jorrie_muller)-349:
You should refrain from reading that clown’s rubbish, let alone commenting on it IMHO
I for one don’t.
21 Sep 2010, 12:37 pm
@crikey mate did you see that shark(big g)-356:
Keo was trying to dupe Jake out of his hard earned cash!
21 Sep 2010, 12:38 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-359: Spike Lee does it regularly with his mukarangas in th u, s, of a, like OJ and Rodney King (your hero) while thinking about making movies like Malcolm X…
21 Sep 2010, 12:43 pm
@Slartibartfart(Slartifartfast)-361:
lol like i said imporrtant rugby news that you probably wont find here on keo
21 Sep 2010, 12:44 pm
@grant10(grant10)-353:
I’ve always thought that Fransie should be in a positon where he has no time to think and does what just comes naturally. And that’s not at 10 I’m afraid, although he’s too good to be bad there.
It would’ve been an ideal time for Peter Grant to show if he has the goods, but alas he has shot himself in the foot taking the cash in Japan instead of toughing it out in the CC. Now he’s got it all to prove again in the S15. Crazy decision really.
21 Sep 2010, 12:49 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-352:
Boshoff is probably one of the 156 that voted for quotas…
21 Sep 2010, 12:57 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-359: really? I knew sipho hlongwane was talking kak when he wrote this:
The Black Consciousness movement was
formed in the vacuum created by the
banning of struggle movements like the ANC
and the PAC. White liberal movements then
stepped in to fill that void, seizing control of
the struggle, and determining how it was to
be conducted and so on. One of the main
consequences of this white liberal take-over
was that the struggle was fought within the
rules of apartheid. Black students, among
them Steve Biko, then stepped forward and
argued that it was impossible to try to
defeat apartheid by playing within the rules
of the very establishment they were trying
to destroy.
They said that the only people who could
truly understand apartheid were those who
were oppressed by it. The main foe Biko
and his colleagues wanted to eradicate was
the so-called colonisation of the black mind.
Even within the struggle movements, they
noted that the blacks were unconsciously
subverting themselves to the thoughts of
whites. They sought to eradicate this black
self-imposed inferiority by creating a sense
of pride and value in their blackness,
because as long as black people viewed
themselves as second-class citizens, or
spectators at a game they should have been
playing, they would never be truly free.
Black Consciousness was, and still is, about
levelling the playing field. It was about
bolstering black people, and not about
creating diametric opposition to white
people. Biko himself said, “I don’t hate white
people, but I hate white racism”.
21 Sep 2010, 13:01 pm
Good to see that 156 ANC members took time out of their busy day at the ANC Indaba in Dirtbin to come and vote on Keo’s poll!
21 Sep 2010, 13:03 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-366: Yup, and that is why Biko is different to Boschoff – you prove my point about him earlier…
21 Sep 2010, 13:04 pm
@Slartibartfart(Slartifartfast)-365: Don’t kid yourself that there are not already quotas…
21 Sep 2010, 13:05 pm
i hear there is a new quota system for junior level craven week representation. the afrikaner jongbond has requested that there must at least be 5 white kids in the team
21 Sep 2010, 13:06 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-366: See what you have done – okes were talking rugby and now you just want to turn this into a race forum with your copy and pastes….
21 Sep 2010, 13:08 pm
“Transformation in rugby has never only
been about numbers on the field of play, it
has always been about fundamental
change: it was and is about the way the
game is managed; about who gets elected
and the power relations that governs the
various alliances in this important
institution of South African society”
Perfectly stated!
21 Sep 2010, 13:10 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-371: ffs go and read the articles at the top, i bet you will find ‘black players don’t want quotas’
21 Sep 2010, 13:12 pm
This article will get Gary in trouble with Supersport! We dont want to create a Facebook petition against Supersport for accomadating Gary
21 Sep 2010, 13:13 pm
@Falken(Falken)-367: 157 Ned
21 Sep 2010, 13:14 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-373: Lets create a Facebook page to ban Gary Boshoff from Supersport!
21 Sep 2010, 13:15 pm
Own up, who of you are part of the 156 for quotas???
21 Sep 2010, 13:15 pm
Or better….Ask Afriboredom to ask the nation to stop their DSTv subscription
21 Sep 2010, 13:16 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-374:
Gary Boggoff is a twatstick…
where can I join to get him in trouble.
21 Sep 2010, 13:16 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-375: It took them a while to convince Kortbroek!
21 Sep 2010, 13:17 pm
@Slartibartfart(Slartifartfast)-377:
Hoerewa, is jy deel van die 156 conspiracy??
21 Sep 2010, 13:18 pm
My vote is my secret
21 Sep 2010, 13:20 pm
That poll does not reflect the demographics of this new Country – maybe the old ZAR- not the new
21 Sep 2010, 13:20 pm
The only people in favour of enforced transformation (quotas) are people who got where they did through this kind of preferential treatment. People who should ask themselves: was I really the best candidate for whatever I do? Boshoff, Komphela, are you listening?
21 Sep 2010, 13:23 pm
@katman(katman)-384: Dude Boshoff has some serious pedigree, both rugby and academic-wise. Cant speak for Komphela.
21 Sep 2010, 13:25 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-376: hahahaha
did anyone tell you that Bjorn Basson was born in King Williams Town and went to Dale College like XhosaKid?
21 Sep 2010, 13:26 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-383: The people has spoken! Deal with it!
21 Sep 2010, 13:26 pm
Black Consciousness was, and still is, about
levelling the playing field. It was about
bolstering black people, and not about
creating diametric opposition to white
people. Biko himself said, “I don’t hate white
people, but I hate white racism”.
21 Sep 2010, 13:26 pm
@Falken(Falken)-367: Well I would rather have quotas at Currie Cup level than S15 or Test level. If each province had lets say 4 players of colour (or what ever term is used) at Currie Cup level, then that broadens the base of players that can be picked at S15 level and Test level.
Personally I want the best available Test 22, no matter what colour they are, but if quotas are introduced then I believe it should be at Currie Cup level.
21 Sep 2010, 13:27 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-383:
Pre 1903????
21 Sep 2010, 13:29 pm
@Falken(Falken)-387: What people? One blogger one vote! Unlike Quota_Sux that has voted 7500+ times!
21 Sep 2010, 13:31 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-388:
Is there an echo in here?
21 Sep 2010, 13:33 pm
@JockBok(JockBok)-392: Some of the walls that was build during apartheid is obviously still standing! Could be the reason for the echo
21 Sep 2010, 13:34 pm
Boshoff has less of a commentator’s personality than Joost!!
21 Sep 2010, 13:36 pm
What flight you on tomorrow Keo cos I’m also heading to Jozi? I wouldn’t mind giving you a few pointers on the format of your website.
Actually, it’d be interesting to see if you’re flying 1-time or SAA business class
21 Sep 2010, 13:36 pm
@Slartibartfart(Slartifartfast)-394: Less coke ….less personality
21 Sep 2010, 13:36 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-391: If only he knew how to vote more than once!
21 Sep 2010, 13:36 pm
@Slartibartfart(Slartifartfast)-394:
That makes him a bad, very bad commentator…
21 Sep 2010, 13:36 pm
@Slartibartfart(Slartifartfast)-394: Or is it Cat?
21 Sep 2010, 13:37 pm
Tac. Im chatting with Mapoe on Facebook as we speak, he says he doesnt know what his best time over 100 m is.
21 Sep 2010, 13:39 pm
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-400: Tell him to get his bum in Bloem
21 Sep 2010, 13:39 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-393:
I think they’re mostly in your head, oh Mighty one. And your brain rattling about in there would explain it nicely.
21 Sep 2010, 13:40 pm
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-400:
I do know that Mapoe did his best time for the 200m while doing the 100m…ask him.
21 Sep 2010, 13:40 pm
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-400: Ask him why he is such an idiot and would rather sit and do nothing than play the greatest game ever invented?
21 Sep 2010, 13:44 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-401: @Falken(Falken)-404: He says he’s gonna be playing for the Sharks.
21 Sep 2010, 13:45 pm
Mark and co , just one question ,now that your business venture failed will you still punt for White to take over from PDV ?
21 Sep 2010, 13:47 pm
158 votes and counting!
21 Sep 2010, 13:47 pm
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-405:
I wouldn’t take his word for it. It doesn’t mean much.
21 Sep 2010, 13:49 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-407:
12,486 kinda shades it a little.
Viva democracy viva!!!!!
21 Sep 2010, 13:49 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-383:
Pre 1903???
21 Sep 2010, 13:50 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-407:
Conspiracy against merit is growing…
21 Sep 2010, 13:51 pm
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-405: Straueli has him brainwashed!
21 Sep 2010, 13:58 pm
Post 94
21 Sep 2010, 14:01 pm
@Slartibartfart(Slartifartfast)-411: Merit is not choosing average whiteys over above average POC
21 Sep 2010, 14:01 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-413:
The old ZAR ended 1902.
21 Sep 2010, 14:02 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-414:
Quotas is opposed to merit.
21 Sep 2010, 14:02 pm
@Slartibartfart(Slartifartfast)-415: It ended 27 April 1994!
21 Sep 2010, 14:03 pm
@Slartibartfart(Slartifartfast)-415: One Man = One vote
21 Sep 2010, 14:03 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-418: And not, One whitey vote for all
21 Sep 2010, 14:04 pm
Look at the nonsense…the anti-merit brigade is standing at 158!!!
21 Sep 2010, 14:04 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-414: Hahaha like who nogal?
21 Sep 2010, 14:04 pm
@Slartibartfart(Slartifartfast)-416: Yet in this day and age there is no white quotas!
21 Sep 2010, 14:05 pm
@Falken(Falken)-421: How many examples do you want?
21 Sep 2010, 14:07 pm
@Slartibartfart(Slartifartfast)-420:
159!!!
21 Sep 2010, 14:08 pm
the only POC who are there on merit :
JPP
De Jongh
Habana (sort of)
Basson
Mvovo
Aplon
thats about it
21 Sep 2010, 14:08 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-423: Do you need some time to think?
21 Sep 2010, 14:08 pm
@Slartibartfart(Slartifartfast)-424: And counting
21 Sep 2010, 14:11 pm
The ZAR started in the 1840′s and ended 1902 with the end of the ABW…THERE YOU HAVE IT!!!
21 Sep 2010, 14:12 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-419: Get over yourself. How long you still gonna whine before you’re willing to stand on your own two feet like a big boy? Why so insecure?
21 Sep 2010, 14:16 pm
At least I didnt threaten to vermaak ABSA with the so called “white money”
21 Sep 2010, 14:17 pm
@Falken(Falken)-426: How many examples do you want?
21 Sep 2010, 14:17 pm
On a more humorous note and not completely rugger – was sent this link in an email today… its whackhead simpson (prank caller) phoning Beit Bridge border guards – nearly died with laughter…
youtube dot com/watch?v=T1nMPWixAjk
21 Sep 2010, 14:19 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-431: Stop asking questions!
You dug this hole to deep and wont be able to climb out. So stop clutching at straws and just shut-up!
21 Sep 2010, 14:26 pm
Dude, your kind dug holes to dump black players into it with only a select few being able to rise to the occasion!
21 Sep 2010, 14:31 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-434: Shame you cant win your battles in the present so you have to go back to the past!
21 Sep 2010, 14:34 pm
@Falken(Falken)-435: @Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-434: OkAY boys back to rugby matters… Whew
21 Sep 2010, 14:37 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-434:
What a lot of absolute tosh. Where are your examples. Name the players who are being over oooked and the players who are prefered.
Do it now or stfu.
Your naivety is astounding. Becoming a rugby player takes hard work. You can’t just go on strike and demand.
21 Sep 2010, 14:37 pm
@Falken(Falken)-435: The thing is that your kind have not admitted the wrong of the past.
21 Sep 2010, 14:37 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-436: This is going nowhere!
Anyway im out!
Mighty let me know when you get an example one day!
Cheers!
21 Sep 2010, 14:38 pm
mighty_Horua s’n father could’ve played for the Boks was it not for apartheid, instead he sat infront of the tv and got fat watching Days. thanks alot apartheid
21 Sep 2010, 14:40 pm
@JockBok(JockBok)-437:
Here is ONE BLOODY EXAMPLE: Kabamba Floors was before Spies ito Springbok selection and all of a sudden plays second fiddle to a retired wannabe fetcher!
21 Sep 2010, 14:40 pm
‘s
21 Sep 2010, 14:40 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-438: Do you want me to go ask my dad for a letter that is personally addressed to you saying sorry?
21 Sep 2010, 14:42 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-430:
Pathetic generalisations.
I’d say closing an account at ABSA is a bit better than assaulting a nurse who tries to get to work.
Am I a racist now?
21 Sep 2010, 14:43 pm
There is definitely is ceiling for many aspiring talented POC yet fokkol happens
21 Sep 2010, 14:44 pm
@quotas_sux(quota_conrad_jantjies_is_jorrie_muller)-440: Settle down!
21 Sep 2010, 14:44 pm
Kabamba was and above average sevens player…fullstop!
21 Sep 2010, 14:45 pm
@Slartibartfart(Slartifartfast)-447:
an!
21 Sep 2010, 14:45 pm
WO for Bok coach and captain!!
21 Sep 2010, 14:46 pm
@Falken(Falken)-443: No, just waiting for the next Land reform policy of the ANC to take want rightfully belongs to this masses
21 Sep 2010, 14:47 pm
@Slartibartfart(Slartifartfast)-449: Plus IRB StampCar of the Year
21 Sep 2010, 14:49 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-441:
And Luke was before Solly. Are we even now are are we merely expressing opinions in a sport where opinion fuels debate no matter what colour a guy is?
You have an opinion, I have one too. Just becasue you are black and Apartheid was bad, doesn’t mean you are right because you shout the loudest.
Your facts are opinions, live with, deal with it.
21 Sep 2010, 14:49 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-450:
Nothing ever belonged to the masses…
21 Sep 2010, 14:50 pm
@Falken(Falken)-443: He doesn’t know where he belongs. See the story is like this:
A whitey – English or Dutch – got bored, got frisky with some of the locals in exchange for education or a naartjie, and he is the result. Instead of hating the whites, he should rather thank them, becaused according to the revolution theory…. I’d rather not go into that.
PS. Wh0rua, I’m just pulling your leg….
21 Sep 2010, 14:54 pm
@Slartibartfart(Slartifartfast)-453: Oh ja, it belongs to the minority
21 Sep 2010, 14:58 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-450:
Hahaha! If it wasnt for your slight knowledge of Rugby i would have sworn that you are either Julius Malema or Earl Rose!
21 Sep 2010, 14:59 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-455:
No private ownership until the arrival of whitey…system won’t work now in modern world and implode, as is happening throughout Africa an SA with restored land as we’re speaking our **** on Keo…
21 Sep 2010, 15:00 pm
@Falken(Falken)-456: Maybe their love-child?
21 Sep 2010, 15:00 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-450: Yea of course, cos thats how ‘your’ kind does things…you’ll never have the will or fortitude or willingness to work to get anything, you want it all handed into your little cupped hands for free…and every failure in your life is someone else’s fault, the big bad whitey…will your great great great grandchildren still be blaming apartheid? I’s SO boring
Do you drive a car? Live in a house? Watch movies at a cinema? I see you surf the Internet….you wear Levi’s? Or Soviet? You use a flushing toilet? You drink water out of a tap? You wear a watch? Do you read and write using the alphabet?
If none of the above, please feel free to slam us whiteys all day, but if you do, then shut your big empty head, say thanks and carry on enjoying the lifestyle we brought you, ******!!
21 Sep 2010, 15:02 pm
@Slartibartfart(Slartifartfast)-457: System was working until that inbred whiteys from Europe stole the land! ALL the land for all of the people! So F off to Orania bloody inbred boerjar
21 Sep 2010, 15:04 pm
@Atreides(Atreides)-459: Why do always brag about stuff that whiteys brough here? The inbreds stole most of this ideas and inventions from the Arabs and Jew (SO he is also white), Chinaman and Eastern Cultures! So SHUT THE F up!
21 Sep 2010, 15:05 pm
@Slartibartfart(Slartifartfast)-457: If everyone of us hated whites left, I wonder what would happen. Oh wait, there are over 50 examples in Africa we could look at…whoops, track record doesn’t look too hot!!
Within 20 years they”d be loudly and self righteously demanding handouts and aid from the West while slating them in the same breath…I can never understand the cupped hands turning into a middle finger once it gets what it wants….
21 Sep 2010, 15:05 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-460:
Eish!! Swearing at me won’t make an unworkable archaic system work! It is failing…AS WE SPEAK!!!
21 Sep 2010, 15:06 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-461: Oooh hit a nerve did I? You doidn;t answer he question…do you enjoy the fruits if the West or not? You can;t bite the hand that feeds you boy
21 Sep 2010, 15:07 pm
@Atreides(Atreides)-462: Handouts? look at the East Block and their track record!
21 Sep 2010, 15:08 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-460: Dude. This is an argument you can write a thesis about. White people in Africa: Good or bad? Not dissing you but you seem to have little to no grasp of the actual issues. So you end up slinging insults, leading to the same old retorts from the same old suspects. Its boring. If you feel so strongly about the subject, do a bit of research (you do have access to the internet afterall) and come back swinging.
21 Sep 2010, 15:08 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-461: And it’s not bragging…just your tiresome childish mentality of entitlement DOESN’T WORK ANYWHERE IN THE REAL WOLRD
21 Sep 2010, 15:09 pm
@Atreides(Atreides)-464: Fruits of the West?
21 Sep 2010, 15:09 pm
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-466: That would be refreshing. He makes it way too easy
21 Sep 2010, 15:09 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-468: Still not answering the question.
21 Sep 2010, 15:13 pm
Land restitution blah blah blah…AND THEN??? Another African basket case…like Zimbabwe…once THE agricultural powerhouse… Sometimes I despair.
21 Sep 2010, 15:14 pm
@Slartibartfart(Slartifartfast)-471: Entitlement over merit.
21 Sep 2010, 15:15 pm
@Slartibartfart(Slartifartfast)-471: Then your kind can leave nSA for greener pasture!
21 Sep 2010, 15:16 pm
@Atreides(Atreides)-472: Entitlement for transformation and equality
21 Sep 2010, 15:19 pm
162 and counting
21 Sep 2010, 15:20 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-473:
Your answer sums up the failure that is Africa, Mnr Hoerewa…cut the nose to spite the face…
21 Sep 2010, 15:21 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-475:
162 bloody agents!!
21 Sep 2010, 15:22 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-474: Newsflash, it happened 16 years ago…..
You are a dyed in the wool racist..you hate whites purely because they are whites, and the reasons you give are so vague and undefined that they can never be satisfied…so your ingrained bigotry is safe.
21 Sep 2010, 15:22 pm
13159 and counting
21 Sep 2010, 15:22 pm
And still you living here on this Gd forsaken continent where there is no law and order!
21 Sep 2010, 15:26 pm
@Atreides(Atreides)-478: Compared that to 350+ years of white entitlement and segregation
21 Sep 2010, 15:26 pm
O snap 13315 its like a snowball now!
21 Sep 2010, 15:26 pm
Can anyone direct me to a rugby site!
21 Sep 2010, 15:30 pm
If anyone wants to claim a right to this land! Why not go to ABSA for a bond!
21 Sep 2010, 15:32 pm
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-484:
Maria Ramos is a bloody agent!!
21 Sep 2010, 15:32 pm
@Bill Reyts(Gumboots)-484:
21 Sep 2010, 15:34 pm
Cheers Guys!
21 Sep 2010, 15:34 pm
And Racists
21 Sep 2010, 15:35 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-487:
Cheers Mr Ossewa Hoereboer wa!
21 Sep 2010, 15:36 pm
Afriforum’s gonna start a campaign called “Stop Mighty Hoerewa”
21 Sep 2010, 15:37 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-481: Shame noonoos….can’t let go of the past and point your nose forward? Newsflash: That’s how it was the world over …conquest, colonisation and annexure…the strong dominated the weak, and right or wrong, that’s just how it was. And of course if you were one of the weak, you’re going to be bitter…but the wheel has turned so show us what you can do!!
Honest question: what would make you feel better? You keep bringing up the past. What mechanism or action would placate you? If we all left? Or is everyone supposed to keep feeling sorry for you? I can’t imagine living a life where I’m pitied, and have to be given special opportunities as a ‘quota’…it’s demeaning and insults the intelligence of those involved. God helps the man who helps himself.
21 Sep 2010, 15:38 pm
@Frankly speaking(Frankly speaking)-490:
I received the SMS already…boikot Hoerewa!
21 Sep 2010, 15:39 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-488: Dont hate the player hate the game!
21 Sep 2010, 15:44 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-473 & @Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-481: Thank you for wonderfully racist posts. Your mother must be proud!
21 Sep 2010, 15:51 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-488:
So long, *** boy!
21 Sep 2010, 15:52 pm
@Frankly speaking(Frankly speaking)-495: *** = g@y
21 Sep 2010, 15:54 pm
@Frankly speaking(Frankly speaking)-495:
21 Sep 2010, 17:11 pm
@Atreides(Atreides)-462: wait for it , next we will be told how black people are responsible for the inventions of the world
21 Sep 2010, 17:28 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-498: what are ‘inventions of the world’? Moron!
22 Sep 2010, 07:22 am
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-498: I guess hotwiring a car can be seen as an invention???
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