Currie Cup latest (Tues)
21 Sep 2010
Keo.co.za brings you the news from the Currie Cup.
Cheetahs change two
Naka Drotske has opted to start Riaan Smit at fullback and WP Nel at prop against the Pumas.
Nel replaces Kobus Calldo while Smit comes in for Hennie Daniller. Daniller is being rested after playing every Currie Cup game to date.
Cheetahs – 15 Riaan Smit, 14 Philip Snyman, 13 Robert Ebersohn, 12 Meyer Bosman, 11 Jongi Nokwe, 10 Louis Strydom, 9 Tewis de Bruyn, 8 Ashley Johnson, 7 Philip Van der Walt, 6 Hendro Scholtz, 5 David de Villiers, 4 Francois Uys, 3 WP Nel , 2 Adriaan Strauss (c), 1 Coenie Oosthuizen.
Subs: 16 Skipper Badenhorst, 17 Kobus Calldo, 18 Izak van der Westhuizen, 19 Kabamba Floors, 20 Tertius Carse, 21 Sias Ebersohn, 22 Corné Uys.
Basson’s a Bull
Bjorn Basson has signed a new deal with the Bulls which starts from 1 November.
The Springbok wing was committed to Griquas and the Cheetahs until the end of 2011 but the Bulls paid a transfer fee to get the player released from his contract. Griquas CEO Arni van Rooyen confirmed the move on Tuesday but refused to reveal the amount paid for the player.
Botha ready to rumble
Gary Botha has recovered from a head knock and will be available for the Bulls this weekend.
The Bulls skipper as well as lock Fudge Mabeta have been cleared for the game against the Leopards. Flank Deon Stegmann will undergo a fitness test on Tuesday, and could well feature in Potchefstroom.
Province lose Liebenberg
Tiaan Liebenberg will play no further part in the Currie Cup.
The WP hooker injured his ankle against the Cheetahs three weeks ago and coach Allister Coetzee is not expecting him back any time soon. Liebenberg’s injury was supposed to sideline him for six weeks, but WP management have confirmed he won’t be fit for the play-offs.
Back-up flyhalf Lionel Cronje missed last week’s game with a hamstring problem, and won’t be risked against Griquas this Friday.
Black players don’t want quotas
Sarpa chief executive Piet Heymans says Saru should consider changes to its competition structures to ensure that promising black players don’t disappear between U21 and senior level.
‘The players’ position is that they want equal opportunities. If they are good enough, they want to play. No player wants to be viewed as a quota player and everybody wants to be there on merit. Black players are not in favour of quotas. Their plea is for equal playing opportunities and game time,’ said Heymans.
‘Saru should be creative with the competition structures and see if there is a way of making the transition from junior to senior level easier. The bigger provinces should also be more willing to loan players they aren’t using to smaller provinces. It is happening already, but the system can be utilised even better.’
The Vodacom Cup will still be played next year, but an age limit may be applied from 2012 onwards. One possibility is to make it an U23 competition, while there is also a school of thought that it should make way for a super club competition.
Heymans said it is wrong for Saru to criticise the provinces without doing something about it.
‘As governing body of rugby, Saru have the ability to do something about the [transformation] issue. The question is just whether the leadership is strong enough to really do something about it.’
WP’s timing spot on
Allister Coetzee believes Western Province are building momentum at the perfect time.
Province suffered a mid-season slump when they lost three consecutive matches against the Sharks, Cheetahs and Lions.
However, with three rounds remaining before the play-offs, WP have won their last two games against the Leopards (59-17) and Pumas (62-10) comfortably and displayed the kind of form they had during their six-match winning streak at the start of the season. They are currently second on the log with 38 points.
‘Things are coming together nicely for us and it is especially important at this time of the season,’ said Coetzee. ‘This is the period when you want to be playing well and putting good performances together.
‘We face three tough games now [against Griquas, the Bulls and Sharks] before hopefully we go into the play-offs, so this is the time when we need to step up our performance.’
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21 Sep 2010, 09:20 am
#92
Why must de jongh be benshed
Fourie can cover wing and centre
JDv can cover centre and wing
Why was Kockett bought.
21 Sep 2010, 09:20 am
@Horings(Horings)-98:
See post 49 or thereabouts. Essentially, Hougaard as backup to Du Preez, but starting a lot of games due to the length of the competition. Also to fill in as utility backline reserve from the bench, allowing us to pick an extra forward among the replacements.
21 Sep 2010, 09:20 am
@Tacitus(Tacitus)-77: JPP is a world Cup winner Tac and has like a million more international caps than Basson therefore his price tag should be higher. One would think this is common sense.
21 Sep 2010, 09:20 am
@quotas_sux(quota_conrad_jantjies_is_jorrie_muller)-94: Till when is Grant in Japan?
21 Sep 2010, 09:21 am
@quotas_sux(quota_conrad_jantjies_is_jorrie_muller)-94: JDV wing ? how difficult as it sounds U just lost more creditability there !
21 Sep 2010, 09:22 am
aha, now the doos jake white is shown up. Man the Lions must be feeling stupid for falling for all that ‘audit’ kak by jake
what dumbarses! The only thing jake did was to shaft Loffie, otherwise nothing came out of that bogus audit. What a bunch of morons.
21 Sep 2010, 09:22 am
@iori Yagami(iori Yagami)-103:
I always struggle to understand that logic. Same as WP purchasing Habana.
Why pay more for a guy whose greatest achievements are behind him, as opposed to guy who will still achieve his greatest stuff for you on the pitch?
Other than publicity value there’s little logic to it.
21 Sep 2010, 09:22 am
@Tegejo(Tegejo)-96: A backline with:
9. The Prince
10. Stain
11. Basson
12. Watermeyer
13. JdJ
14. Gerhard
15. Zane / ?
21 Sep 2010, 09:24 am
@adi(adi)-101: Did they eventually bought Kockett?
21 Sep 2010, 09:24 am
@iori Yagami(iori Yagami)-95: I am not sure if it is professionalism, big transfer fees. Its a way of doing it, but I am not such a fan of it.
A contract should be a contract, and if it becomes popular in rugby, will only hurt the poorer unions, and also SA rugby in the long run. What happens if Northern Hemisphere teams start offering transfer fees to buy players out of a contract?
21 Sep 2010, 09:25 am
@iori Yagami(iori Yagami)-103: don’t worry, if a player is not signed to the Bulls then he is overrated, check now apparently Mapoe has a ‘dodgy attitude’ but 6 months ago Tac was gagging for him to be a Bull.
21 Sep 2010, 09:25 am
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-108: A beautiful prospect!
21 Sep 2010, 09:26 am
black players dont come through bulls ranks
Bulls simply poach
especially from griquas
Zane also form griquas
Habanero..Lions
need i say more
21 Sep 2010, 09:26 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-111: To be fair, Mapoe has shown in the last 6 months that he does have a dodgy attitude!
21 Sep 2010, 09:27 am
@Tacitus(Tacitus)-107: Experience Tac experience. Also knowing that at some point that guy will produce something brilliant for you because he has done it in the past.
21 Sep 2010, 09:28 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-111:
That’s how we roll!
21 Sep 2010, 09:28 am
Rassie 1st bought Fourie and De Jong had to move to adapt to 12
Then jean is brought back and With Fourie rest de jongh moves to 13
Newman and De jongh should move to the Lions or Sharks.
21 Sep 2010, 09:29 am
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-114: Why not blame the Sharks with their dodgy contract signing attitude since 1990!
21 Sep 2010, 09:29 am
@iori Yagami(iori Yagami)-103: Past performance is not an indicator of future returns. Basson is much better value than JPP if his price is indeed 70% lower.
21 Sep 2010, 09:29 am
@adi(adi)-117: Newman, de Jongh, Bosch and Whitehead will all be struggling for game time.
21 Sep 2010, 09:29 am
@Papoose(papaown)-113:
hmmm maybe i should rather say POC’s and not Blecks
21 Sep 2010, 09:29 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-111:
Hmmmm, I would have expected the words “Tacitus” and “gagging” to appear in the same post as “Spies”…
21 Sep 2010, 09:30 am
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-110: It will help the poorer unions Wolfman. Here Griquas is getting a sum of money for a player that came through there ranks…they are basically making a million rand profit. And if the unions are strong financially then SA rugby will be strong financially.
21 Sep 2010, 09:31 am
Bjorn Basson is going to score a LOT of tries for the Blue Bulls. Barring a great 13, it’s probably their only weakness.
Move over Hekkies, there is a new sherif in town.
21 Sep 2010, 09:31 am
@least the bulls paid a transfer fee
i must at least commend them for tht
y cant the sharks do the same with Lionel Mapoe?
21 Sep 2010, 09:32 am
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-108: Good Currie Cup backline. Average Super Rugby backline. Potential weak links at 12 & 15.
21 Sep 2010, 09:32 am
@Papoose(papaown)-121: There are no POC in Tswane
21 Sep 2010, 09:33 am
Mighty, JDJ will never lift his “killer” @ the Bulls … maybe at the Boks, but not at the bulls/loftus!
21 Sep 2010, 09:33 am
Bulls are on the move!
This is a huge signing.
Bjorn the Bull is going to be a great.
21 Sep 2010, 09:33 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-111: Look, he is a BRILLIANT player! I would have loved for him to play in Blue, but seems like he’s still got some growing up to do… JMO
21 Sep 2010, 09:34 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-124:
vd Heever and Bjorn will be the two wings.
21 Sep 2010, 09:34 am
Is Naas Olivier going to the Bulls next year?
21 Sep 2010, 09:35 am
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-118: It takes two to tango! Mapoe could have returned to the Cheetahs by now, and have been playing in the Currie Cup, but has decided to stay in Dirtbin with no chance of any game time this year.
He has gone from a player who should have been selected for the EOYT last year, to having played about 5 games all season, and basically being a season behind in his development, and essentially being semi-retired.
21 Sep 2010, 09:37 am
@quotas_sux(quota_conrad_jantjies_is_jorrie_muller)-128: No need to lift Timotei, Watermeyer have already surpass that weaklink
21 Sep 2010, 09:37 am
@Tegejo(Tegejo)-130:
My interest in Mapoe as a wing waned slightly when I read that his time for the 100m was around 12 seconds.
I’d have a look at him at outside centre – although I prefer outside centres like Andre Snyman who did the 100m in 10.8 – it just gives you that extra edge on cover defense, hitting the outside gap etc.
21 Sep 2010, 09:37 am
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21)-133: On a recent Facebook status update he mentioned that he will be back on the park soon. o word on for whom though.
21 Sep 2010, 09:38 am
WP should trade Whitehead and Newman for Coenie Oosthuizen and WP Nel
21 Sep 2010, 09:38 am
@Boks should grow moustaches for RWC(Kid_Senekal)-132:
The Bulls have expressed interest in signing up Naas Olivier.
21 Sep 2010, 09:38 am
@Boks should grow moustaches for RWC(Kid_Senekal)-119: He might be better value but he cant demand a transfer fee on JPP level. What will this transfer fee be based on for Basson?? How much Bok caps?? How much games he played for Griquas? JPP won a World Cup and Tri-Nations and B&I Lions series and a Currie Cup obviously his fee is going to be higher than lowly Basson who only has 1 bok cap. And who says Basson will reach the heights of JPP and Habana?? He might get a serious injury that will hamper his performance then what?? Oh but Tact can see into the future and he knows Basson will be a great. Thats why people will pay more for Habana and JPP because you know what they can do…Basson still needs to show us on test level what he is capable of. Thats why JPP has a higher transfer than Basson and rightfully so he has earned it.
21 Sep 2010, 09:39 am
@WP Till I Die(WP-Forever)-138:
Yes, that’s because they need someone to back up Steyn in the S15. Brummer is not ready yet, and Potgieter will be with the Sharks.
21 Sep 2010, 09:39 am
Talking about Andre Snyman…what a beautifull try against the Sharks way back at Loftus…Running through the whole Sharks team
21 Sep 2010, 09:40 am
@iori Yagami(iori Yagami)-139:
Transfer fee is based on the value of the remaining period of your current contract, which you are being bought out of.
21 Sep 2010, 09:41 am
@iori Yagami(iori Yagami)-123: But then they have to try and replace a player of Basson’s quality with that million rand, which isn’t likely to happen. Any decent young talent will be snapped up by the bigger unions from the smaller unions irregardless of the contract, with the smaller unions getting some money for it, but not having the player any-more.
21 Sep 2010, 09:42 am
@Tacitus(Tacitus)-135: I’ve never seen ANY player ripping a well organized defence to pieces like he did the Bulls’ two seasons ago, running through the entire backline untouched.
21 Sep 2010, 09:42 am
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-141:
Athletically, he was probably the most gifted centre SA ever had. His ball skills and general reading of the play not quite as good.
He was a bit of a Pierre Spies of centres, actually.
21 Sep 2010, 09:42 am
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-136: Maybe with his mates for a game of touchies?
21 Sep 2010, 09:43 am
@Tacitus(Tacitus)-77: No ways Basson is better than Mapoe , he might have been capped before him but out and out Mapoe is a better winger. I think u need to take off the bulls blinkers here tac
21 Sep 2010, 09:43 am
If sharks offered Cheetahs R800 000 for Mapoe and Cheetahs say they want R1.5 million for Mapoe then Basson atleast as to equal the R1.5 mil or maybe go for R2 mil. Seeing that he has been capped at International level.
21 Sep 2010, 09:43 am
@Tegejo(Tegejo)-144:
No, you’re thinking of Fabian Juries, who did that 20 step dance through the entire Bulls backline. Mapoe’s try wasn’t nearly as impressive.
21 Sep 2010, 09:43 am
@Tacitus(Tacitus)-135: What do you think of Basson as a possible fullback. His finishing is great, but what really impresses me of him is his skills in the air. He is definitely better in the air than Kirchner and vd Heever, although vd Heever has improved his basic skills a lot throughout this year. He is quickly becoming one of the best defensive wingers in the country.
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