Currie Cup latest (Thurs)
23 Sep 2010
Keo.co.za brings you the news from the Currie Cup.
Smit snubs Lions
John Smit has committed to the Sharks after turning down a lucrative offer from the Lions.
Smith has re-signed for the coastal union and will play for them in the 2011 Super Rugby competition. Insiders say Smit was offered a large sum to join the Lions, but turned the offer down.
The Bok captain is currently recovering from an operation and will not feature in the Currie Cup play-offs or South Africa’s Grand Slam Tour.
Van Heerden lends Lions bite
Former Bok flanker Wikus van Heerden will start against the Sharks.
Josh Strauss moves to No 8 to accommodate Van Heerden while Warren Whiteley falls out of the match 22.
Lions – 15 Jaco Taute, 14 Jannie Boshoff, 13 Waylon Murray, 12 Doppies La Grange, 11 Michael Killian, 10 Elton Jantjies, 9 Jano Vermaak, 8 Joshua Strauss, 7 Wikus van Heerden, 6 Derick Minnie, 5 Franco van der Merwe (c), 4 George Earle, 3 Ross Geldenhuys, 2 Martin Bezuidenhout, 1 JC Janse van Rensburg.
Subs: 16 Edgar Marutlulle, 17 Wayne Swart, 18 Johan Snyman, 19 Trevor Hall, 20 JP Joubert, 21 Burton Francis, 22 Deon van Rensburg.
Sharks stay the same
John Plumtree has been afforded the luxury of maintaining the same 22 for the Sharks match against the Lions.
Without any injuries in the squad, Plumtree admitted it was the first time in a while he didn’t have to worry about making any changes for the contest at Ellis Park on Saturday.
Sharks – 15. Louis Ludik , 14. Odwa Ndungane, 13. Stefan Terblanche (c), 12. Andries Strauss, 11. Lwazi Mvovo, 10. Patrick Lambie, 9. Charl McLeod, 8. Ryan Kankowski, 7. Willem Alberts, 6. Keegan Daniel, 5. Alistair Hargreaves, 4. Steven Sykes, 3. Eugene van Staden, 2. Craig Burden, 1. Patric Cilliers
Subs: 16. Kyle Cooper, 17. Wiehahn Herbst, 18. Michael Rhodes, 19. Jacques Botes , 20. Rory Kockott, 21. Andre Pretorius, 22. Riaan Swanepoel.
Mapoe worth a million plus
The Cheetahs have put a R1.5 million price tag on Lionel Mapoe.
Despite losing the legal battle to the Cheetahs, Mapoe still refuses to return to Bloemfontein and the Sharks are willing to pay a transfer fee.
However, the Cheetahs, who initially said they won’t accept any transfer fees for the wing, have demanded R1.5 million. This is R500 000 more than what the Bulls paid for Griquas speedster Bjorn Basson.
Bulls did it by the book
The Bulls are confident that they signed wing Bjorn Basson legally from Griquas.
This was according to High Performance manager Ian Schwartz after the Cheetahs announced they will take legal action against Griquas as they were not communicated in the transfer process. The Cheetahs, who pay a part of Basson’s wages, want to keep the wing.
Schwartz believes there should be no reason why the transfer should be stopped as they did it legally. The Bulls paid R1 million for Basson, who will join them on 1 November.
Eagles threaten to strike…again
The SWD Eagles’ players have threatened to boycott Friday’s clash against the Valke unless they are paid.
The players are angry as Saru has stopped all its funding to the union until the political infighting is resolved. Without Saru’s funding, the Eagles can’t afford to pay all their players.
The Eagles are second on the First Division log and this weekend’s match in George is supposed to be broadcast on TV.
110 Comments
23 Sep 2010, 07:46 am
It seems that the Mapoe/Cheeters case is going to court today.
23 Sep 2010, 07:54 am
the cheetahs are now simply being greedy.
they were exploiting mapoe by paying him a pittance in comparison to his market value and now they are trying to prevent him making a living where he will be better remunerated by putting a ridiculously high transfer cost on him.
i like the cheetahs, always have. but it seems harold is a k no b.
mapoe will be a shark. oh yes, it is true.
23 Sep 2010, 07:56 am
Mapoe is such a loser Solly nr 2
23 Sep 2010, 07:58 am
I bet the Sharks did not think that Mapoe would cost them 1M and more, is there no talent in their academy or club system.
23 Sep 2010, 08:02 am
@RedLion: their ‘academy’ is based in Bloemfontein…
23 Sep 2010, 08:05 am
redpussy
which gp(ussy)ru academy did waylon murray attend?
23 Sep 2010, 08:06 am
Cheetahs are greedy! Losers!
23 Sep 2010, 08:06 am
transie
dont forget the ec. in fact, the “kings” and cheetahs are our feeder unions. every bush wants to see the big city lights and the big dam.
23 Sep 2010, 08:07 am
@ 6 … RL said TALENT …
23 Sep 2010, 08:08 am
quotas
rl supports the lions. wtf does he know about talent?
23 Sep 2010, 08:11 am
Cheetahs are right, Mapoe deserves what he is getting now. R1.5 million is a lot of money for a disloyal ******* like Mapoe.
23 Sep 2010, 08:12 am
Hendro Scholtz? Against the spirit of
23 Sep 2010, 08:12 am
Hendro Scholtz? Against the spirit of ABSA
23 Sep 2010, 08:13 am
Two boys are playing cricket on a field in Durban, when one is attacked
by a vicious Rottweiler.
Thinking quickly, the other boy took his cricket bat and managed to
wedge it down the dog’s collar and twist, luckily breaking the dog’s
neck and stopping its attack.
A reporter who was strolling by sees the incident, and rushes over to
interview the boy.
“Young Sharks Fan Saves Friend From Vicious Animal,” he starts writing
in his notebook.
“But I’m not a Sharks fan,” the little hero replied.
“Sorry, since we are in Durban , I just assumed you were,” said the
reporter and starts again.
“Stormers Fan Rescues Friend from Horrific Attack,…” he continued
writing in his notebook.
“I’m not a Stormers fan either!”, the boy said.”
“I assumed everyone in Durban was either for the Sharks or Stormers. So
what team DO you root for?” the reporter asked.
“I’m a Blue Bulls fan”, the child beamed.
The reporter starts a new sheet in his notebook and writes:
“Little F*cker from Pretoria Kills Beloved Family Pet.”
23 Sep 2010, 08:13 am
Ranger
Where does Jean Deysel/Louis Ludik/Willem Alberts hail from?
23 Sep 2010, 08:17 am
I hope the Cheeters saw how a player transfer agreement SHOULD be handled.
23 Sep 2010, 08:19 am
My Stormers team for last game against Sharks and semi’s
1. Blaauw
2. Fourie
3. Harris
4. Fondse
5. Van Zyl
6. Burger
7. P. Louw
8. Vermeleun
9. Dewaldt
10. de Waal
11. Habana
12. JDV
13. JdJ
14. Aplon
15. Jantjes
16. Shimange
17. Kritzinger
18. De Kock
19. F. Louw
20. Ricky
21. Cronje
22. Jaque Fourie
23 Sep 2010, 08:20 am
If Bees is on a 850k contract then the 1Mil contract of Bjorn is way to little!
23 Sep 2010, 08:21 am
9 Dewaldt
10 Cronje
11 Habana
12 JDV
13 JdJ
14 Aplon
15 Jaque Fourie
23 Sep 2010, 08:23 am
Frankly
good question.
is deysel not a vrystaater?
point being, we actually have an academy but actively recruit.
the lions have….well….fokkol really.
but it sounds like they may have finally woken up to the pro era judging by their attempts to buy everyone and their dog.
or maybe they have simply gone back to their original poaching ways…louis luyt ring a bell?
shamepies! it must have been so much easier when doc could use maties and the bulls and lions could use army as a recruiting platform.
ho ho ho.
23 Sep 2010, 08:29 am
@ Frankly Speaking 15 and RedLion 4. I’m glad you brought this up.
Sharks have 7 players in their current side that are homegrown…..
Lwazi Mvovo
Pat Lambie
Ryan Kankowski
Keegan Daniel
Alastair Hargreaves
Craig Burden
Pat Cillier
Your “Lions” have only THREE…..
Elton Jantjies
Jaco Taute
Derrick Minnie
Also – I did a little research…..and it makes for interesting reading –
By far the largest amount of players that have been “pilfered” by your Lions are from KZN (is this not a beautiful case of the pot calling the kettle black?)
Jannie Boshoff
Waylon Murray
Doppies La Grange
Warren Whiteley
George Earl
This is followed closely by WP
Josh Strauss
Franco vd Merwe
Ross Geldenhuys
JC Janse Van Rensburg
Then you have two boys from Eastern Cape
Jano Vermaak
Michael Killian
Lastly – a lone representative from the Free State (who obviously wasn’t good enough for the Sharks…lol)
Martin Bezuidenhout
23 Sep 2010, 08:30 am
Ranger
Even of it is as you say, that the lions have fokkol, it still a lot more than the Sharks have as you’ve bought a whole host of their players lately, and they’ve bought how many of yours? 1
You may as close the academy, save the cash, and put in a bid to rename Grey College to the Sharks Rugby Development Academy
23 Sep 2010, 08:30 am
These Transfer fee’s are great. They will most definetly help the smaller unions like Griquas and Cheetahs. Griquas just received R1 million for a player they paid nothing for and now the Cheetahs are going to receive R1.5 million for a player they brought up through the ranks. This will help them to develop more youngsters and sell them to the bigger unions for large sums of money. It will strengthen the smaller unions financially which in turn will strengthen their structures which in turn will strengthen their quality of players.
23 Sep 2010, 08:33 am
Ok, so I stole that post of mine from a blogger on a different site, this is SA after all. It still proves a point.
23 Sep 2010, 08:37 am
21. John Galt
Mvovo, Daniel, Kankowski went to school in the EC, in fact they all played craven week for Border.
Ross Geldenhuys is from PE, played EP craven week in 2001.
23 Sep 2010, 08:39 am
mighty, i think bees got a bonus from the bulls if you know what i mean
23 Sep 2010, 08:42 am
John Gout
I don’t know how reliable your “source” is where you did your research from, but I can assure you Jano Vermaak does not come from EC as we played against him when he was attendeing HTS Vereeninging
P.S. the place of birth of a player on his unions player profile is not where he previously applied his trade
23 Sep 2010, 08:42 am
Mapoe should be honouring his contract he signed himself and stop being a baby about it because he wont train. Its sad, he shouldnt be a bok either, he wasnt available half of the super 14 and just because PDV mentioned him in a press conference last year everyone has the perception that his inclusion will be imminent. Let the guy go to the sharks who already have odwa, mvovo, jp pietersen and louis ludik on the wing.
Enough said.
WP team for last game v sharks:
15 C Jantjes
14 Gio Aplon
13 Juan De Jongh
12 Jean De Villiers
11 Bryan Habana
10 Lionel Cronje
9 Ricky Januarie
8 Duane Vermeulen
7 Francois Louw
6 Schalk Burger
5 Anton Van Zyl
4 Adriaan Fondse
3 Brok Harris
2 Deon Fourie
1 Wikkus Blaauw
16 Hanyani Shimange
17 JC Kritzinger
18 De Kock Steenkamp
19 Pieter Louw
20 Dewaldt Duvenhage
21 Willem De Waal
22 Jaque Fourie
23 Sep 2010, 08:42 am
Mxhosa, yes I know. They were in the Sharks academy though. RL is trying to say that the Academy hasnt produced anyone of significance.
23 Sep 2010, 08:43 am
JOHN GOUT
23 Sep 2010, 08:48 am
Rangerwoman ‘we did it to save Mapoe’s life. We are humanitarians and greenpeace soldiers … we acted like poepholes.to.find.loopholes but alas the fee for a free Mapoe lets me say schoe’
I dont buy that rubbish coming from Dirtbin.
23 Sep 2010, 08:49 am
John Galt – nice try, but home town (place of birth) isn’t necessarily the same as a player’s rugby origins. Most of those players you mention played just about all their first class rugby in Joburg. A few exceptions, but all teams have some imports.
23 Sep 2010, 08:50 am
i see Solidariteit told ABSA that they will close their R18 Billion bank accounts if they don’t stop their k@k
23 Sep 2010, 08:51 am
Is there any thread here on keo that doesn’t involve these gold-digging cheaters? Harold must have gone through a bitter and expensive divorce recently.
23 Sep 2010, 08:52 am
now thats more fighting spirit than the lions entire s14 campaign!
bravo redpussy!
die leeus is kak
jy is ‘n brak
sit dit in jou sak
of vind ‘n nuwe dak
23 Sep 2010, 08:52 am
quotas – I bet you R18 billion rand they don’t have the balls to go through with it.
23 Sep 2010, 08:59 am
@33 Quotas: Naka’s probably got something to do with it?
23 Sep 2010, 09:00 am
John Gout
That’s what happens when you copy someone else’s work…you make your name g@t.
Get your facts straight
Ranger
You must have gotten an A for Afrikaans at Dirtbin High School for that first grade poetry
23 Sep 2010, 09:04 am
Frankly speaking
dit was bietjie swak
ok, i am outta here. no hard feelings lions fans. its the week of our matchup and the gloves are off.
tjorts.
23 Sep 2010, 09:04 am
@ KATMAN: Solidarity Bru!
23 Sep 2010, 09:05 am
@37 TEGEHO: Naka is net geworried oor Bloemfontein se meirre
23 Sep 2010, 09:09 am
why I’m I under moderation?
23 Sep 2010, 09:12 am
RedLion, they’re trying to silence our roar.
23 Sep 2010, 09:14 am
katman @ 32. Thats exactly the point I was trying to make. Every team in this comp has a large portion of players on their books that hail from different regions.
Frankly Squeakings question @15 was really naive considering how many players in the Lions side arent from there.
I personally have never had a problem with it, its the professional era and players will gravitate toward where
a) they get remunerated accordingly and
b) their skill will be most efficiently used.
Economics 101 lecture over.
23 Sep 2010, 09:15 am
Imagine the following scenario:
You’re strapped for cash and ask your neighbour to borrow you his lawnmower. You use it at no charge throughout the year. But when your neighbour decides to sell it, you ask him for compensation as you are without that luxury in future…
Isn’t that what the cheetahs are doing with Basson?
23 Sep 2010, 09:16 am
all I did was a lol smiley
23 Sep 2010, 09:17 am
Noooo
ROARRRRRR
23 Sep 2010, 09:19 am
No, that’s not the point you were trying to make. You were trying to make some point that all but 3 Lions players were “poached”. Thank god I put you straight. You still don’t seem to get it, though. Being born in, say Mosselbaai, but playing ALL your first class rugby in, say Witbank, doesn’t mean that the Pumas poached you from the Eagles. I’m not sure how to explain this in simpler language.
23 Sep 2010, 09:19 am
John G
The “Professional Era” notion and “remunerated accordingly” term are one’s often thrown around by Sharks supporters in particular as you try to justify your poaching
Logic 101 lecture just started
23 Sep 2010, 09:20 am
@REDLION: Don’t reply to any comments. That’s what starts the moderation. Not sure why, there’s no reason, but hey, it’s KEO.
23 Sep 2010, 09:23 am
Can you guys see my “just checking” post @ 51??
23 Sep 2010, 09:28 am
Stormerboy no … can you see my
23 Sep 2010, 09:30 am
Smilies are ok, it just the “reply” function that flags moderation. I sent Roy an email about it yesterday, but no response. Your post is numbered 53 on my page, what number is it for you?
23 Sep 2010, 09:31 am
Roy you lazy boy.
Fix the replies and get rid of that communist restriction of free speech ****.
23 Sep 2010, 09:31 am
298 of 451 voters know that the Lions will prevail over the Sharks. That’s a whopping 66% of a fairly substantial sample.
>^..^<
23 Sep 2010, 09:32 am
RedLion, I think keo is on his own there. Jake Snake has run off with his cash, so now he can’t pay the elves. Cut the little guy some slack.
23 Sep 2010, 09:38 am
I still don’t understand, how in the interests of “keeping the channels open”….the Sharks allow Mapoe to train with them?
he’s contracted to the Cheetahs at the minute and a tribunal found in favor of the Cheetahs.
regardless of what he is being paid and the Cheetahs not accepting the Sharks transfer offer…there’s nothing else for Mapoe to do but return to work.
I bet the sharks are having some second thoughts….surely they can’t be encouraged by this sort of attitude towards an employer?
23 Sep 2010, 09:40 am
If this moderation k@k isn’t fixed soon, I’m gonna withdraw all my Keo $’s
ANyone with me?
23 Sep 2010, 09:40 am
why is every other comment of mine…”awaiting moderation”?
23 Sep 2010, 09:41 am
Ho Hum, here we go round the mullberry bush…
23 Sep 2010, 09:41 am
holy craap…even my smilie was moderated
23 Sep 2010, 09:41 am
@Bigadier: It’s because you click on the “reply” button.
23 Sep 2010, 09:42 am
Brigadier Buurman-57:
the sharks
started this
nonsense
with
aj venter
and is still
getting away
with it
23 Sep 2010, 09:42 am
Katman, those who voted for the Lions are smart people indeed.
I wonder if tigtening the belt for Keo would mean Roy getting the bullet – personally I would have just fired Ryan.
23 Sep 2010, 09:44 am
Let me just make it official. It saves me having to respond each time.
23 Sep 2010, 09:46 am
Had internet problems the last few days – Everybody is talking about moderation??????Wat moet gemodereer word..klink soos eksamens!
23 Sep 2010, 09:46 am
66. I just don’t see any logic from the Sharks.
23 Sep 2010, 09:50 am
question: why are the Sharks fans such stuck up unethical twats.
question: how many purhcases till they win a trophy?
fast becoming the Pakistan of SA Rugby.
Breaking news…..Sharks have beaten WP by 15 points in 2 weeks time!!!
23 Sep 2010, 09:52 am
more lip service from this moron! Everytime sh*t starts to hit the fan for you, you bring up the Kings to hoodwink people, not a chance! How did the Afriforum get hold of an sms sent to YOUR phone Hoskins, huh? Bloody Agent!
SARU committed to Kings
2010-09-23 07:58
Cape Town – The South African Rugby
Union (SARU) has reaffirmed its
commitment to the establishment of the
Southern Kings franchise in the Southern
and Eastern Cape rugby regions.
The Executive Council of SARU met in
Newlands on Wednesday and appointed a
subcommittee, consisting of the newly
appointed SARU chief executive Jurie Roux,
Deputy President Mark Alexander and
Southern Kings chief executive Stefan
Pretorius to finalise the Memorandum of
Understanding between the three SEC
unions and SARU and the SEC franchise
business plan.
The subcommittee was instructed to
finalise the draft business plan within one
month and to present it to Saru at the next
Executive Council meeting.
The presidents of Eastern Province, Border
and SWD met with the Executive Council
and during these deliberations SARU again
reaffirmed its commitment to establish a
franchise in the strategically important SEC
region.
SARU president Oregan Hoskins praised the
positive manner in which these discussions
took place.
“Our next step is to draft a comprehensive
business plan so that we can move
forward. The establishment of a franchise
in the SEC is a top priority for us and I am
delighted we are now starting to put
concrete steps in place to make this a
reality,” explained Hoskins.
The Executive Council also approved a
Southern Kings proposal to play friendly
matches against the five South African
franchises in 2011.
The SARU Exco also discussed the issue of
transformation at length. SARU is not happy
with the current pace of transformation
and the issue was referred to its
Transformation Committee for further
deliberations.
“The Executive Council agreed unanimously
that we must tackle the issue of
transformation aggressively and in a more
urgent manner. We discussed several
options in this regard, but in order for us
take decisive steps, we decided to refer it
to our Transformation Committee for
further deliberations,” said Hoskins.
23 Sep 2010, 10:01 am
Interfering bladdy agent!
23 Sep 2010, 10:01 am
transfrormation committee?
surely an oxymoron?
certainly a bunch of morons at the very least.
23 Sep 2010, 10:03 am
@REDLION 65:
You can’t fire your nominee for “Keo blogger/sportswriter who has a tux and is able to make it to the dinner” of the year award!….
23 Sep 2010, 10:04 am
Transie
Don’t be chacharrag towards Regan now…
23 Sep 2010, 10:10 am
it was Oregan’s afriforum speaking secretary what did get the mini-pos off of his phone.
23 Sep 2010, 10:14 am
Okay here is what I don’t get from the states…
Firstly, they had Mapoe on R100K per year according to reports.
Ebherson, of similar skill, and age and also an ex-Sevens player, is on R700K a year reportedly…
Now the states wants R1.5mil for a player they paid one seventh of the salary they played another player in the same union and cannot figure out why he is unhappy and want to leave.
Just who does their calculations on the market value of players?
23 Sep 2010, 10:22 am
What’s going on here
23 Sep 2010, 10:26 am
pisser
I thought Mapoe was on 250k?
which was his original contract no?
ebherson’s R700k is his new contract?
or his original one?
are you comparing naartjes with naartjes?
23 Sep 2010, 10:36 am
Reports in the media suggests otherwise.
23 Sep 2010, 10:40 am
65% of the votes for the LIONS
ROARRR!
23 Sep 2010, 10:54 am
Tannie Dawn, please ask Keo to fix his site…
23 Sep 2010, 10:55 am
pisser
so ebersohn’s original contract with the cheaters was R700k a year?
impressive for a union that usually pays its players in mealie seeds and john deere spares
23 Sep 2010, 11:03 am
Red Lion – click on Webmaster at the bottom of the page and you will get straight through to Roy, unless he has been allowed to go on holdiay and Simon is running the ‘joint’, then it may not be fixed for weeks!! Heheheh
23 Sep 2010, 11:33 am
Mapoe should adhere to the contract or the Dirtbinners must pay quite elementary.
23 Sep 2010, 11:49 am
From Rugby365
John Smit’s season-ending injury means there will be a new skipper in charge when the Springbok ship sets sail for Europe later this year. rugby365.com’s Timmy Hancox casts his eye over the potential Bok captaincy candidates.
Whilst Smit’s injury will give the long-time Bok captain a well-earned – and necessary – resting period, it does suddenly leave Springbok coach Peter de Villiers with a serious conundrum; Victor Matfield aside, who is the next Bok skipper in waiting?
At the same time, recent reports have suggested that several of the senior members of the squad are likely to be rested after a long season and with a World Cup next year – all of which will no doubt complicate De Villiers’s plans; is rest important or do one of Matfield, Schalk Burger or Juan Smith need to cancel their holiday plans and head to home affairs to get their passports in order for a flight to Europe?
That said, there are also a number of candidates in the Currie Cup who have proven themselves to be excellent leaders.
Veterans Stefan Terblanché and Gary Botha are successful skippers for the Sharks and the Bulls, respectively, but are they good enough – or in Terblanche’s case, young enough – to warrant a place in the Bok mix?
World Cup-winning Bok coach Jake White once singled out Wikus van Heerden as Smit’s potential understudy as national captain, but Van Heerden has only just returned to full fitness for the Lions and is clearly short of a gallop to force his way into Bok contention.
New Ulster signing Johann Muller has had a taste of leading the Boks, and also done the job with aplomb for the Sharks, and could easily be one of the darkhorses in the race for the job – although De Villiers has not used him much during his coaching tenure.
But those potential candidates aside, all of whom have their own strengths and weaknesses, here are rugby365.com’s five possibles for the Bok captaincy:
VICTOR MATFIELD:
Pros:
- A wealth of experience with over 100 Tests and the current second in command in the Bok set-up.
- Matfield has led the Bulls to three Super 14 titles in the past four years – he is a leader, of that there is no doubt.
Cons:
- With the priority being the defence of the World Cup title next year, Matfield is one of the stalwarts in dire need of a rest to ensure he is peaking in New Zealand.
- Also, whilst Matfield has enjoyed plenty of success as captain of the Bulls, that win in Dunedin aside (in 2008), he has not enjoyed as much success whilst in charge of the Boks.
SCHALK BURGER:
Pros:
- He guided the Stormers to their best-ever Super Rugby finish this year (runners-up to the Bulls) and is well liked and respected in all rugby circles the world over.
- Captaincy does not seem to affect his overall game – in fact, he seems to welcome the pressure of leadership.
Cons:
- Burger can be hot-headed at times and, sadly, is always a yellow-card candidate who may need a captain to calm him down – rather than the other way around.
- He also needs rest after a very, very long year.
JUAN SMITH:
Pros:
- Cool, calm and collected much of the time with a leadership style that can be assimilated to that of the legendary Gary Teichmann – preferring to lead thorough his actions with the view that less is more when it comes to talking.
- He has the respect of his teammates – having been there and done it all in a Bok jersey.
Cons:
- Your best player doesn’t always make the best captain – will the weight of one of the toughest jobs in South African rugby affect his game? After all, captaining Free State is way different to captaining your country.
- Does he have the personality to lead his country – especially when it comes to all the off-field commitments – and does he actually want the job?
CHILIBOY RALEPELLE:
Pros:
- He has done the job before and is a player who has been earmarked as a potential Springbok captain in the future.
- Ralepelle thrived under the leadership role at age-group level and has all the qualities to do a great job.
Cons:
- Bismarck du Plessis should be the starting hooker and is likely to be first choice ahead of Ralepelle on the tour.
- Can his body hold up? Will he finish the tour – unlike last year when he limped home early?
ANTON VAN ZYL:
Pros:
- Yes, he is a pick from left field, but his great work with Western Province indicates that he is one of the best captains in the country.
- Fresh ideas and a fresh face could just be what the doctor ordered!
Cons:
- Is he good enough to warrant a starting spot in the Bok line-up?
- No Springbok experience – his first Test in charge would also be his debut for his country.
* Who do you think should lead the Boks on their end-of-season tour? Let us know below what YOU think!
23 Sep 2010, 11:57 am
luke watson should captain the boks
23 Sep 2010, 11:59 am
85 Grab10Mofs: Why?
23 Sep 2010, 12:14 pm
great inspirational leader Luke….leads from the front….unlike the plod.
23 Sep 2010, 12:15 pm
heavens’ crackpipe.
I would love to do a comparison of Lukas Whatsembi’s stats this season and last with sa number 8s
tackles made
turnovers
rucks hit etc
metres gained
whenever I watch bath play he spends a lot of time conducting the orchestra.
23 Sep 2010, 12:20 pm
88. Grunter. FarkLOL!!!
23 Sep 2010, 12:22 pm
87 Grab10: yeah he’s a successful Cappie…He has wonalot…
When…?
23 Sep 2010, 12:26 pm
G10 – Dont make me vomit!
Luke was the cancer of WP. Look how well they’re doing since his departure…. Lets not open that wound again!
23 Sep 2010, 12:26 pm
hg I’m serious.
I’m looking for a power point presentation from you on the subject…
something to stuff up granties inbox.
23 Sep 2010, 12:28 pm
LW best loosie by a country mile……..
23 Sep 2010, 12:36 pm
92. Grunter: HG is very busy, what with janitorship and faithfully exposing the truth on Keo…
…Time for PPpresentations is lacking
23 Sep 2010, 12:36 pm
lets see the stats then budgie.
stop being subjective and emotional.
23 Sep 2010, 12:38 pm
janitors game
hardenthefuckup..
just give us the stats then.
23 Sep 2010, 12:43 pm
96. Grunter: Janitor’s game is sure Tony Yengeni’s favourite Malt and Cigar partnerincrime can make the time or find a lackey to do it…
23 Sep 2010, 12:49 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-99:
i’m struggling to find the stats for last years GP.
23 Sep 2010, 12:50 pm
Juan Smith. Anton van Zyl?? WTF
23 Sep 2010, 12:51 pm
Wens dit wil nou ent kry. Mapoe moet gaan en ook HV & ND saam met hom neem.
23 Sep 2010, 12:59 pm
the master plan is in motion
plod on way out
succession planning….
matter of time
23 Sep 2010, 13:06 pm
@gunther(gunther)-98: try premiership.co.uk
23 Sep 2010, 13:06 pm
@Grant: Isn’t next week the week for DIV?
23 Sep 2010, 13:09 pm
stormersboy
28th review for pdv
i know bloggers will disagree, but this lod omission from eoyt a great opportunity for pdv to become the ‘boss man ‘…..get out of the shadow of Plod….start making the tough calls….best thing for pdv….mark my words.
23 Sep 2010, 13:12 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-104:
yep that’s awesome if I want to know how many times rio ferdinand had his nappy changed last season.
23 Sep 2010, 13:20 pm
Grant
I actually agree with you. As you know I’m a big JS fan, but what if this is the end? We need to know what our options are. We also need some more experience in the depth positions, like flyhalf, hooker (esp. if Bissie isn’t fit), and the tour is a good way of introducing them in a less “Smit-like” environment.
But personally I’m no longer a PDV fan. Playing our players like he did, overplaying them in spite of knowing how much over the limit they already were was too much for me. That was a very unprofessional move, willing to sacrifice for a short term result that didn’t happen anyway.
I think he’ll take VIC with him, I just don’t see him having another plan at this stage of the game. Maybe he’ll surprise me but that’s ok. I’ll hapily eat my words
23 Sep 2010, 13:33 pm
@gunther(gunther)-105: sorry, brainfart
premiershiprugby.com
23 Sep 2010, 13:51 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-107: hey Banshee’s Toy, here’s something that might interest you.
Ethnic labelling still part of life in SA –
Swartz
2010/09/23
Khanyi Ndabeni
RACIAL or ethnic labelling is still a part of
everyday life in South Africa, Nelson
Mandela Metropolitan University vice-
chancellor Prof Derrick Swartz said in Port
Elizabeth last night.
This was despite the clearest commitment to
create a non-racial, democratic society as
envisaged in the Constitution, he said in a
public lecture at the Red Location Museum. It
was part of the museum ’s series of Heritage
Month debates.
Touching on South Africa’s racial history,
Swartz described multiculturalism as the
recognition, acceptance and promotion of
culturally diverse social norms in public
institutional life.
“The association of multiculturalism with
apartheid might seem odd, if not perverse
at first sight, given their starkly different
aims.
“Apartheid was based on the separation of
people. It was conceived as culturally and
socially incompatible for them to exist
within the same geographical and
institutional spaces. Multiculturalism is an
idea born of an expressed commitment to
enjoin cultural popularity within the same
spatial and institutional contexts. Their
political motives are quite different, ” Swartz
told the audience.
Since 1994, he said, the problem with group
identity was whether its purpose was to
represent individual life choices and beliefs
in all aspects of identity, and if the
autonomy of the individual was subsumed
under a group.
“This presents a significant problem if the
bases of the assumed group formation are
based on ‘racial’ grounds, seen as political
communities. Not only would this reinforce
what many consider to be a relic of racist
19th century evolutionary biology – the
idea that there actually exist different ‘races’
– but it would also politicise these groups
into political communities.
“This is best illustrated in our current use of
ethnic categories as legal categories of
social recognition. These categories have
been inherited from the apartheid era. They
are now used as not only markers of social
recognition, but as indicators of social
advantage or disadvantage.”
He said while there was ample evidence that
affirmative action and equity measures
taken in the past 16 years had hugely
shifted the demographic patterns of
employment and resource distribution to
those previously discriminated against,
most public and many private institutions
did not look to function along the same
racially defined lines as in the past.
“Yet theses advances cannot be disputed.
The use of these categories has also tended
to reinforce group identities that make
nation-building deeply problematic, ” Swartz
said.
24 Sep 2010, 08:01 am
let all the untransformed vile f.off to the mud island and the swamp they call holland. Klabekke is contributing f.all to this country. Oh wait some dude in america invented something and the afriforum memberr claims it
24 Sep 2010, 08:05 am
These NP Afriforum keo members spoeg everyday their racist volkstaat swine kaka
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