Something special
27 Sep 2010
Patrick Lambie is the future of South African rugby.
With the 19-year-old Sharks star set to tour with the Springboks in November, SA Rugby magazine looks at his rise to prominence and the debate surrounding where he should play.
Lambie himself says he is in no rush to pick a number, despite what happened to two other Sharks players – Ruan Pienaar and Frans Steyn – when they were labeled utility backs.
‘I’ve enjoyed 15, 12 and 10 and I don’t yet know which one I’m best at or which one I enjoy the most. But with a bit more time and experience I’ll be able to decide on a position, put my mind to it and stay there,’ he says.
‘I have honestly enjoyed all three positions, and maybe it helped that I played 12 after fullback before moving to 10, but the most important thing is that I’ve played a sequence of games in each position. I haven’t played one game here, one game there, and then gone back to the previous position.’
SA Rugby magazine also speaks to Sharks coach John Plumtree and former flyhalf Joel Stransky about Lambie’s future.
Also in the new issue:
– In what he calls his ‘most honest interview ever’, Luke Watson reflects on the mistakes he’s made, his controversial Springbok call up, and the move to Bath that has reinvigorated his career
– The Springboks let themselves down during the home leg of the Tri-Nations – on and off the field
– Allister Coetzee or Heyneke Meyer will replace Peter de Villiers as Springbok coach. SA Rugby magazine examines the candidates’ credentials
– Former England centre Will Greenwood on how this year’s Tri-Nations launched a rugby revolution
– Robbie Deans on the Wallabies’ progress, the new law interpretations, his relationship with Graham Henry and if he’d coach a South African side
– Why Richie McCaw is the most dominant rugby player on the planet
– Lionel Mapoe says he left the Cheetahs because they betrayed him. We find out more from the winger and speak to Free State president Harold Verster and Sarpa CEO Piet Heymans.
– The Springbok Women will not be a force on the international stage until they are properly conditioned and the team is selected on merit
– The Bledisloe Cup provides a very different spectator experience to that of a Tri-Nations match involving the Springboks
– Several South African schools claim their players are being poached by other institutions. SA Rugby magazine investigates
– At the USA’s West Point military academy, rugby is considered the ideal preparation for the controlled chaos of the battlefield
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27 Sep 2010, 09:33 am
“Jannie spel asb mama ”
Jannie:”M…A…M…A”
“Mooi so Jannie.Sannie spel asb papa”
…Sannie: “P…A…P…A”
“Mooi So Sannie.
Sipho.Spel asb rassediskriminasie!”
27 Sep 2010, 09:33 am
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-7: Thats the reality of the SA rugy media. Thye have their prima-donnas who they will build up (Spies, F Steyn, Wynand, J Fourie and now Lambie).
while often taking pot-shots at guys like Elton and Adi with no factual basis. In one of Keo’s latests newsletter he said that Jantjies is not the future. did not offer any analysis. just said that he i snot the future. What rugby is he watching?
When are they going to put JDJ or EJ on the cover and blow smoke up their arses based on no facts (e.g. instilling fear in the opposition, talent, potential)
thats why we need a tribunal. For so-called journos like the ones at HSM.
27 Sep 2010, 09:34 am
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-48: Yeah well, this oak would sing another tune if he lost his spot to a quota. Easy to comment now that he is unaffected, probably negotiating a better interest rate on his house as we speak.
What on earth has this issue to do with him, I wonder. The peopol thinks SAB is the only company making beer, bliksemse neandertal.
27 Sep 2010, 09:34 am
mighty, afriforum is bietjie te lig in die broek, join die suidlanders pappie
27 Sep 2010, 09:35 am
Lambie is the next Reece-Edwards!! AUN!!!
27 Sep 2010, 09:36 am
they are there to drive an agenda. and it is not pretty. one day we will have good journalists who comment based on fact. I can only hope that its soon.
Because their prejudice is sickening.
27 Sep 2010, 09:38 am
moedeloos, like poepkop garry boshoff? now there is a racist d00s
27 Sep 2010, 09:42 am
@coma(coma)-53: Andre Venter = Legend….Coma = F-all! So go and join Afriforum!
27 Sep 2010, 09:44 am
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-58:
Land restitution = Samblief ons es hongor!!
27 Sep 2010, 09:45 am
@moedeloos(moedeloos)-52: If it was a once off shoot for the SA rugby cover, it wouldve been OK. However the repetitive nature of the prima-donnas who they will build up is just irritating!
27 Sep 2010, 09:46 am
As I mentioned before. Being able to bash into people with a ball under your arm doesn’t qualify you to comment on socio-political issues.
So I don’t pay Venter’s comments much mind.
27 Sep 2010, 09:46 am
LOL!!!!
‘White players are lazy’
Former Swallows striker Les Grobler says black players push harder than their white counterparts to make the grade in soccer.
27 Sep 2010, 09:48 am
@moedeloos(moedeloos)-52: If you do not like the website or the mag, just don’t it and don’t visit the site.
I do not subscribe to the glorification of young players. It is the fruit of desperation. They inevitably buckle under the pressure of expectation. It happens the world over. Danny Cipriani of England springs to mind, as do our own Gaffie Du Toit, Derick Hougaard, Ruan Pienaar etc.
The fact is that it is impossible to judge whether a player will be successful at international level before he plays there. Youngsters should not be included in the team because they are seen as potential saviours. They must be allowed to play at CC, Super rugby level and our Springbok “A” – more matches have to be organized for this team.
It would be an injustice to any youngster to be included into the Bok setup while the current management fall from pillar to post. They have no plan and not the rugby credentials to coach an international team.
27 Sep 2010, 09:49 am
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-60: agreed. like they had Jaque Fourie on the cover while injured. At the same time Adi was playing his socks off.
Someone commented at the time that it eqautes to Ian thorpe being on the cover instead of Michael Phelps after the last olympics.
I have no problem with building guys up, if it is on facts and does not have an agenda.
Keo and his ilk is writing Lambie into the team. How many articles have we seen about him, compared to Jantjes who is almot redefining the way SA flyhalves play their rugby and the boy can kick (excl saturday
27 Sep 2010, 09:51 am
@Tacitus(Tacitus)-61: Andre Venter is a much better version of Juan Smith
27 Sep 2010, 09:52 am
@Slartibartfart(Slartifartfast)-59: Land restitution = Almost there
27 Sep 2010, 09:54 am
@moedeloos(moedeloos)-56: OMG, do you actually still believe in objectivity? Wake up, dude. There is no such thing as objectivity. Each person, whether they are journalists, politicians or bank CEO’s have their own agenda’s. You just have to find the agenda that suits you and put your weight behind it. So, again, if you do not like the gist of things here, buzz off.
27 Sep 2010, 09:54 am
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-65:
And that is relevent in what way? (Not that I necessarily agree with your statement).
27 Sep 2010, 09:55 am
These dutchie unions (solidarity, afriforum etc) are so impotent it’s a joke. Do you honestly, for one moment, believe they would have the courage of conviction to close their ABSA accounts en masse? Did anyone think these frontier relics would bring the bank to its knees? What’s next? Perhaps a sweeping boycott of ESKOM, TELKOM, SPOORNET, TRANSNET and Adult World for their blatant BEE policies?
27 Sep 2010, 09:56 am
@moedeloos(moedeloos)-64: Ruan Pienaar looking in the mirror and seeing the different positions he had to play just made me sick! Nobody forced him to play anywhere!
27 Sep 2010, 09:58 am
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-66:
Samblief net ‘n sakkie pap…die trekker hy es stekkend al for die three years!
27 Sep 2010, 09:58 am
As repeated before, Lambie needs a season or two of Super 15 rugby before stepping out on to the test arena.
By then the circus would have left town…
27 Sep 2010, 09:59 am
@Couchcoach(GI POT)-67: not going anywhere. i have been blogging here since just after the Straueli days. i dont agree with most of the articles but i enjoy the platform to exchange opinions with other fans. (the real reason i visit here)
The other thing is that its nice to criticise the articles so the the folk who just believe the printed word blindly sees the other side.
Not going anywhere mate. but will protest if the **** i see is just that.
27 Sep 2010, 10:01 am
@Tacitus(Tacitus)-68: “bash into people with a ball under your arm” Contributed way more than this to SA rugby
27 Sep 2010, 10:01 am
**** = c.r.a.p
27 Sep 2010, 10:02 am
lambie gaan ook soos frans raak..vroeg ryp vroeg gef@k
27 Sep 2010, 10:04 am
@Slartibartfart(Slartifartfast)-55:
AUN = Another Useless Natalian!!
27 Sep 2010, 10:05 am
@katman(katman)-69:
Spoke to a lawyer friend of mine a while ago.
You’d be astounded to learn how many millions these guys are raking in from taking the government to court on civil rights issues and winning court cases with legal cost judgements going against government.
They are able to retain crack legal teams at government’s expense.
Simply because government is clearly at fault in almost every case, and don’t have a leg to stand on.
Nevertheless, government stubbornly just keeps pushing these things through, and these legal eagles are poring over every detail, cherrypicking the ones where they have the best chance of winning the case, and the cycle repeats itself.
Anyway, why on earth would people not be willing to leave ABSA? I certaily am. But I want to do it as part of a concerted campaign, not on my lonesome where the impact is not felt.
I’m ready to go once the campaign is launched, however.
27 Sep 2010, 10:06 am
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-74:
But his stupid utterances now is contributing zilch!!
27 Sep 2010, 10:07 am
EJ laat my dink aan Earl Rose … 2 great games en hy is die tiger woods van rugby … sy skoppe pale toe die laaste 2 weke het die lions amper gekos … ek gee hom 2 jaar dan sit hy en Earl in die kaapse hawe hoog op TIK
27 Sep 2010, 10:07 am
@moedeloos(moedeloos)-64: “redifining the way SA flyhalves play their rugby” PALEASE…how is running way behind the advantage line with runners aplenty outside you redifining the way flyhalves play?
Again, his success is part of a team dynamic where he is given options on the outside by his centres and wings. There are no forwards standing in his channel. That is what you call good coaching. Yes, his distribution is very accurate, his pace off the mark is adequate and his vision is good. I cannot comment on his defense because I have not yet studied that part of his game, but defense is secondary to attack in my book.
Lambie’s good performances at flyhalf are also the result of good coaching. His outside backs run straight and into space and it makes him look good – as it should. He does not do the little chips and back handed passes that Jantjies do, but his vision on the field is very good, as is his defense.
I reiterate that neither Jantjies nor Lambie should be in the Bok set-up right now. Let them play another season because it is a well documented phenomenon that youngsters who burst onto the scene battle in the next season when opposition coaches and analysts have found ways of countering their style of play. It is too early to name either of them as potential Boks.
Moreover, they will not be half as effective in a Bok game plan that revolves around forwards in the backline and a kick-chase game.
27 Sep 2010, 10:08 am
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-74:
You’re missing the point.
Is he a political strategist? Is he qualified to best calculate how we can use our clout to best serve our interests?
Is he aware of all the issues involved?
Or is he just afraid of a bit of conflict, and trying to enjoy the benefits of his transformation free career at the expense of the Adriaan Strausses and Tiaan Liebenberg’s of this world?
27 Sep 2010, 10:09 am
@quotas_sux(quota_conrad_jantjies_is_jorrie_muller)-80: elton is from Jhb.
so what do u think of the man as a player. facts only, no hyped vitriol based on opinion.
27 Sep 2010, 10:14 am
@moedeloos(moedeloos)-83:
“so what do u think of the man as a player. facts only, no hyped vitriol based on opinion” Huh????
27 Sep 2010, 10:14 am
@Couchcoach(GI POT)-81: wrong sir. the games i watched he is one of the only flyhalves that stands close to the gain line and is not afraid to attack it.
you make some good points though. i think he is a special player. if developed properly he and Lambie could form an amazing 10 – 12 axis for the boks with JDJ at 13.
Why dont these guys write them all up. instead of writing one up at the expense of the other.
27 Sep 2010, 10:15 am
@Slartibartfart(Slartifartfast)-84: well spotted :blush:
27 Sep 2010, 10:16 am
meant to ask for an argument based on facts.
27 Sep 2010, 10:21 am
@quotas_sux(quota_conrad_jantjies_is_jorrie_muller)-80: smaak my jy tik of is dit pta se stof wat jou so pot kuk laat kwyt raak
27 Sep 2010, 10:28 am
@katman(katman)-69:
Adult World’s BEE policies?
Nothing says transformation like BEE *** shop.
Are all the blow up dolls black?
All the dildoes too?
27 Sep 2010, 10:32 am
Ooohhh this looks like a good issue. Pitty my subscription’s expired…
27 Sep 2010, 10:32 am
@Tacitus(Tacitus)-78: Ja, ja. And the Volkstaat was going to be a thriving metropolis. And the Boeremag was going to be a well-drilled military operation. And Rapport was going to be a credible voice. Let’s face it, the last mass event that had a semblance of success was back in 1838. Since then the dutchies couldn’t organise a zol in the Transkei. ABSA is not pooping in its broeks right now.
27 Sep 2010, 10:33 am
@gunther(gunther)-89: Moerse dildoes.
27 Sep 2010, 10:34 am
@moedeloos(moedeloos)-85: I do not have a problem with your argument that the KEO journo’s are biased as are the guys at Rugby Mag – essentially the same journo’s
However, we cannot expect them to change their spots. I got so tired of seeing Spies, M Steyn and Pienaar on the cover of their mag while the first two were absolutely exposed as the one dimensional players they are, and the latter was injured and buggering off overseas.
They are biased, but so am I and so are you. Maybe raising your voice for points on the other side of the rugby scale brings balance, who knows?
I am just very worried about our rugby as a whole. We have two NZ coaches in our domestic competition and their respective teams play the most attractive rugby and suddenly we see that we do have options at flyhalf. Not because of the brilliance – only – of these two youngsters, but because of a team structure that allows them to distribute and alternate their points of attack. How many good flyhalves have we destroyed with our one dimensional game plan of crash ball 12′s and kick chase?
My concern is compounded by the various calls from all sides of the spectrum to have one or both of these players included in the Bok set-up where their talents will go to waste and their yet fragile minds will be contaminated and confidence dented. I do not think that I will survive this travesty and believe you me, it will happen if they go on the EOYT. Both players have their critics and these will sharpen their knives, ready for the meal when the inevitable failure is dished up.
27 Sep 2010, 10:34 am
@katman(katman)-92:
are you saying black dildoes are bigger than white dildoes?
can they run faster?
what about swimming?
do they float?
27 Sep 2010, 10:35 am
@kakman(kakman)-92:
Kakman has his mouth full…he is sucking on his *****!!
27 Sep 2010, 10:38 am
@gunther(gunther)-89: I work as a BBBEE Verification Analyst. Teazers approached us for a BBBEE-rating, we ultimately declined as we didnt want our name linked to them. I was not part of that decision though, was already contemplating interviewing the employees and have them demonstrate their competence. Free lapdances! Oh what could have been…
27 Sep 2010, 10:38 am
@moedeloos(moedeloos)-85: Lambie has at least been tested at S14 level where he excelled as a debutant. Jantjies has turned in a few good performances in a watered down Currie Cup. Neither should be hyped up this early, but if you’re going to choose one, surely Lambie is the more logical option than Jantjies, unless of course you consider racial dynamics more important than the facts.
27 Sep 2010, 10:39 am
@gunther(gunther)-94: You’d best ask Tacitus that. He’s the genetic predisposition expert on this forum. If anyone has intimate knowledge of black body parts vs. white body parts – and what they’re good for – it’s our Tac.
27 Sep 2010, 10:39 am
@Tacitus(Tacitus)-82: Closing your Absa accounts is fine and dandy. Who would you go to though?
27 Sep 2010, 10:40 am
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-96:
BBBEE Verification Analyst = Gravy Train Spin-off.
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