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30 Sep 2010
Keo.co.za brings you the news from the Currie Cup.
Kanko cops one-week ban
Ryan Kankowski will miss this week’s game against the Leopards after being suspended for stamping.
Following Saturday’s loss to the Lions, the Shark No 8 was cited under Law 10.4 (b) for stamping on an opponent. Kankowski used his right foot in a stamping action on the body (stomach area) of Lions flank Trevor Hall during the 75th minute of the game. He received a yellow card for the offence, but was later cited.
On Wednesday, he pleaded not guilty to the charge. His defence argued that he was in the process of falling backwards which forced him to lift one leg to regain his balance and that resulted in him placing his foot on his opponent as he regained his balance. It was also argued that the Sharks No 8 did not have the benefit of being able to stop during the incident to regain his balance and ensure that his foot was placed away from his opponent.
According to a statement from Saru, after considering all relevant facts and available video evidence, the judiciary recommended a suspension of two weeks. This was however reduced to one week after a ruling that Kankowski’s action was impulsive rather than reckless was made. There was thought to be no malice in Kankowski’s actions.
Pretorius gets start
Andre Pretorius will start his first match for the Sharks against the Leopards in Durban on Friday.
The flyhalf comes in for Pat Lambie, who drops to the bench. The Sharks have made four other changes and one positional change, which sees lock Gerhard Mostert make his first appearance since injuring his shoulder in the opening match of the Super 14 against the Chiefs while Springbok tighthead prop Jannie du Plessis also gets a run.
Sharks – 15 Louis Ludik, 14 Odwa Ndungane, 13 Andries Strauss, 12 Riaan Swanepoel, 11 Lwazi Mvovo, 10 Andre Pretorius, 9 Charl McLeod, 8 Keegan Daniel (c), 7 Willem Alberts, 6 Jacques Botes, 5 Gerhard Mostert, 4 Steven Sykes, 3 Jannie Du Plessis, 2 Craig Burden,1 Eugene van Staden.
Subs: 16 Kyle Cooper, 17 Patric Cilliers, 18 Anton Bresler/Michael Rhodes, 19 Michael Rhodes, 20 Rory Kockott, 21 Pat Lambi and 22 Luzuko Vulindlu.
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30 Sep 2010, 10:19 am
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-49:
no they believed that they could find a loophole.
which has been shut in their face.
30 Sep 2010, 10:19 am
@ 49 Mighty
Don’t get me wrong, I sympathise with the guy, but there are ways to do things and saying that he doesn’t like his deal anymore when it suits him is not one of them. The courts have ruled, what have COSATU got to do with anything?
@ 50 Oracle
I’m a Jock in Bok land. Born in Scotland, living in SA. It just rhymed, that’s all
30 Sep 2010, 10:25 am
@gunther(gunther)-51: The pro setup at the Sharks usually find loopholes.
30 Sep 2010, 10:31 am
For being an almost Bok, Lionel is not worth the small change that Cheetahs were and currently offers him! The onus is on the union to do the right thing and validate the value of a player yearly and not on a contract that was sign in 2007
Cosatu will ensure equality.
30 Sep 2010, 10:51 am
@JockBok(JockBok)-52: I see… thanks for that info… now when the Boks play the Scots, I bet you don’t care who wins as long the Boks win….
or am I taking your allegiance to the Boks too far 
30 Sep 2010, 10:52 am
I dont see why the loss of JP Pietersen would create a wing crisis for the Sharks. How much game time has Pietersen had for the Sharks in the last while and it seems the Sharks are doing just fine ?
Also, Lionel Mapoe and JP Pietersen are not the only talented wings in the country that the Sharks could approach. In fact, I would think that Pietersen moving to the Lions would send a clear message to their wings which have in my opinion performed excellently – so, the Sharks will happily do a trade off.
I doubt the Sharks will make a counter offer on Pietersen. You can all but take this as an announcement that he will be moving to the Lions.
In addition – I cant understand why the Lions would spend such a lot of money on Pietersen. I would have rather used that money to sign someone like Jean De Villiers or Morne Steyn.
But – good luck to them. They seem to be getting a clue lately.
30 Sep 2010, 11:03 am
@gunther(gunther)-51: It aint over yet. Has Mapoe arrived in Bloemfontein ? I think he has until 3pm today if I am not mistaken.
Lets see if that happens.
I am no attorney, nor do I profess to have big knowledge of the laws of the country, however – should he ignore the high court order – he would get comtempt of court right ? With the option of a fine.
Then the Cheetahs must sue him for breach of contract – which would also come with a fine.
Fines can be paid with a black and white cheque book.
30 Sep 2010, 11:03 am
@Dusky(Dusky)-57: sorry dusky but they have made a counter offer
30 Sep 2010, 11:04 am
@Dusky(Dusky)-57: Make that contempt.
30 Sep 2010, 11:32 am
@Dusky(Dusky)-57: Nope. What will in all likelyhood happen is that the Chettahs will halt his salary until such time as he is back with them. Mapoe will then have no income, but will be prohibited from playing anywhere else. So he can sit out the rest of his contract in the change rooms, by which time the world would have moved on and he will have missed the boat.
30 Sep 2010, 11:35 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-60: Sorry Spelling
30 Sep 2010, 11:52 am
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover)-58: Surprising that. I rate JP, but I feel the Sharks could use his salary better elsewhere. Perhaps for a certain Dewald Potgieter or JC Kritzinger for example. They could probably get both for what JP wants to earn.
I wouldn’t mind so much if he goes to the Lions. Go well JP and good luck !
30 Sep 2010, 11:54 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-60: Interesting scenario. I also think its probably best he goes back to the Cheetahs.
Before they fill all their geriatric sanitary towels up. Bunch of cry babies.
30 Sep 2010, 12:01 pm
@Dusky(Dusky)-63: LOL this case actually is very important from a precedent point of view. The previous cases were mostly an issue of “loophole”, whilst this has more to do with simple refusal to report to duty. If they buckle on this one it leaves the door wide open to anyone else who doesn’t want to play ball (so to speak)..
30 Sep 2010, 14:12 pm
So Mapoe has told the Cheetahs what they can stick their contract, he’s not going back to Bloemfontein.
I think the clowns at the Cheetahs have lost their loving feeling towards Mapoe by this stage.
I find it very strange that the court ordered Mapoe to go back to the Cheetahs, in Labour Law cases the courts are loathe to order specific performance against one of the parties, because when the relationship has broken down, as it clearly has here, in practice it will not work out for either of the parties to force someone to work for an employer they do not trust or want to be associated with. It would have been far better to award the Cheetahs damages against Mapoe and let them end this unhappy relationsfip.
30 Sep 2010, 14:22 pm
Ek lees Anton van Zyl meen dat die naweek se wedstryd “krag teen krag” is….. Iemand moet tog vir die kerel verduidelik wat die term beteken!
30 Sep 2010, 14:25 pm
Interresting poll results….
30 Sep 2010, 14:38 pm
All uninformed Sharks’ supporters:
From Rugby 365:
“Mapoe, who was on a R60,000 per annum junior contract with the Cheetahs last year, received an ‘increase’ from the Cheetahs in December – when they agreed to pay him R200,000 per year.
However, once he was named in the Cheetahs Super 14 squad at the beginning of the year, he became subject to the standard players’ agreement that stipulates a minimum monthly payment of R27,500.”
From News24:
“Sport24’s sources indicate that Mapoe is earning around R29 500 per month in the Super 14, which is the minimum salary for a South African player in the Super 14. His contract with Free State is worth about R200 000 a year.
Mapoe was contracted as an unknown emerging talent by the Cheetahs in 2008 for R80 000 a year for three years, with annual increases built into the contract.
He still played for the Free State under-21 side in 2009 and only made his mark for the senior team later in the season, after which the Cheetahs decided to increase his salary.
The Cheetahs are now believed to be willing to increase his salary to R750 000 a year within 24 months if he’s prepared to extend his contract until 2012.”
30 Sep 2010, 14:40 pm
@Tegejo(Tegejo)-67: Bulls is gunstelinge of Sharkies wat wil he WP moet verloor
30 Sep 2010, 14:42 pm
@jonnow(jonnow)-65: In an employment contract you can resign with a period of months/weeks notice and there is nothing preventing you therefore from leaving to go another employer. My question is that if Mapoe is being restricted from leaving the Cheetahs on the count of a contractual clause, is that in line with Labour practice and employment laws and does it perhaps not constitute a restraint of trade which in most cases is difficult to enforce in a court of law. How then can the courts force him to move back to Cheetahs – Is he not entitled like you or me,with a notice period of course, to take his services elsewhere?
30 Sep 2010, 14:44 pm
So, it is CLEAR to see that as Mapoe developed in his career at the Cheetahs, the Cheetahs increased his salary. They also identified that he was a talent and made him an offer of R750 000 a year (same as Robert Eberson), yet MAPOE believes he is worth more! And when the Cheetahs refused to make him an offer of a million rand, HE WENT AWOL!!!!
So please, get to grips with yourself. Mapoe, his agent and the Sharks are the one who are in the wrong! No one else!!! An abritration hearing and a high court judge feels the same way.
Mapoe was not treated unfailry. He played a mammoth 12 games (8 CC games in 2009 and 4 S14 games) for Cheetahs senior side. In that time they saw his value increase from R80 000 to R750 000. Now, if Mapoe feels different, then go about it the RIGHT WAY. Mapoe was treated as ANY OTHER young schoolboy who started off his career in professional rugby.
30 Sep 2010, 14:49 pm
@fsjakes(fsjakes)-68:
Interesting. Two sides to every story indeed.
If this is true, it looks like Mapoe is just being impatient and wants his superstar wage now rather than putting in the hard graft and earning it long term.
Service delivery rugby style.
30 Sep 2010, 14:52 pm
@fsjakes(fsjakes)-71: So lets take it a little personal then. Suppose you are working for a firm and have a colleague who is doing the same work and performing at the same level, however he is earning 3 times your salary. What would you do?
Assume now that you think you are better than that colleague and have possibly demonstrated this in your performance reviews/ratings etc. What then?
What i have read is that Mapoe has only being offered a possible increase to 750k OVER 24 Months i.e. not immediate and hence no guarantee. Again how would you feel if this was the situation in your work place?
30 Sep 2010, 14:53 pm
@JockBok(JockBok)-72: Service delivery rugby style?
And I suppose Eberson deserve that 750K for being the great player he is!
30 Sep 2010, 14:57 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-74:
I’d imagine he showed great promise as a youngster and had a few other interested parties.
Why, what do you think got him his 750k?
30 Sep 2010, 15:02 pm
@JockBok(JockBok)-75: Eberson got that 750K cause he’s WHITE!
30 Sep 2010, 15:04 pm
Talent wise, Mapoe bring much more to the party
30 Sep 2010, 15:05 pm
@bananaboy(bananaboy)-70: The difference here is that Mapoe has a fixed contract with the Cheetahs.
But that is no biggie. It happens all the time in business that employees have fixed contracts that they want to get out of. They just buy themselves out of the contract.
How can you force an employee to work for an employer he does not trust? Recipe for disaster and bad for both the Cheetahs and Mapoe. Far more sensible for the court to order that Mapoe has to pay the Cheetahs back everything they have spent on him.
30 Sep 2010, 15:08 pm
@bananaboy(bananaboy)-73: Firstly, your arguement in comparing Mapoe with Eberson is rediculous.
Robert was a schoolboy senssation. Mapoe played Craven Week, but not SA schools. Also, both played for the SA sevens team, Eberson was a sensation, Mapoe warmed the bench most of the time. And, by the time Mapoe started playing for the Cheetahs CC side in second half of the 2009 season, Eberson was already part of the Cheetahs senior side for one and a half seasons!
So, to say that Mapoe should recieve the same as Eberson just because he thinks he is a better player, is ludicrous.
It is the same as saying that let’s say next a fairly unkown player from the Sharks u/21 team gets a chance in senior side and makes a huge impact. Now, thus player demands to be paid more than Patrick Lambie. When the Sharks refuse, but make him offer to work towards so that he can earn the same as Lambie, this player goes AWOL! Stupid isn’t it?
30 Sep 2010, 15:12 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-76:
Brilliant. Of course he did. I wouldn’t have expected anything else from you. The sad thing is though, you actually believe that.
You’ve obviously never worked in a role where you have to hire people. I had to hire a guy not so long ago on a Cape Town site because we we desperate and the job was falling behind. The guy the agency sent was a coloured lad and because of his previous job and our desperation, we paid him 30% more than the white guy who had been with us for a couple of years.
Market forces my friend, every man for himself. If the white guy found out, he is free to look at his options.
30 Sep 2010, 15:12 pm
a@bananaboy(bananaboy)-73: Secondly, what you are essentially saying is that every youngster who gets an oppertunity at in the Sharks senior side and makes an impact, should be able to demand his pay and get what HE THINKS he is worth. And, if that plaayer does not get what HE THINKS he is worth, he has the right to take his stuff and go to another union whenever it pleases him. Does not sound right, does it?
30 Sep 2010, 15:15 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-77:
Sure, so it seems to be turning out. And if he’d stuck around instead of playing Mr I Am, I’m sure he would have been remunerated accordingly.
30 Sep 2010, 15:18 pm
@fsjakes(fsjakes)-81:
Not every youngster, only the black ones.
Make no mistake, if this was a white kid, Shighty would have a completely different take.
30 Sep 2010, 15:19 pm
@jonnow(jonnow)-78: This is the dumbest comment ever! Eberson was captain of the Cheetahs Craven Week side. He scored the most tries at that Craven Week. He also made the SA schools side. He recieved offers from EVERY big union is South Africa. As a schoolboy, he was hailed as “the next big thing”. The same goes for when he played for the SA sevens side.
Mapoe also played Craven Week. He DID NOT play SA schools. As a schoolboy, no one knew him or thought of him as particulalry taleneted. He was an an above avarage player. The Cheetahs were the only union to offer him a contract.
So, to say Eberson only got his offer because he was white, is a dumb statement
30 Sep 2010, 15:20 pm
@JockBok(JockBok)-80: Whenever POC is not happy with their working conditions like Mapoe, its service delivery style! Jaque Fourie blackmailed the Lions and that not service delivery style?…..wait its only POC that have this begging mentality and service delivery style
30 Sep 2010, 15:21 pm
@ Jonnow – Sorry mate, previous comment not directed at you! It was directed as Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua).
30 Sep 2010, 15:22 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-76:
you are an idiot.
the cape spanish version of hondo.
read fsjakes posts to find out quite how much of a twatstick you really are.
30 Sep 2010, 15:28 pm
@fsjakes(fsjakes)-86: No worries….I am used to taking abuse :0
30 Sep 2010, 15:34 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-85:
We’re not talking about Jaques Fourie and I can only comment on what I see. Strikes and dissatisfaction all over the country because people want more. More for nothing.
If I want more, I change job, not hold my employer to ransom.
30 Sep 2010, 15:38 pm
It doesnt matter if you were the captain of the Freestate creche, primary school, scored the most landtjie rugby tries! How many guys havent played Craven Week (Name change needed) yet performed briliantly at Currie Cup level. So all players that played SA creche should be given 750K?
Look at Dollie, Played SA schools, scored klomp tries? Did he get a 750K?
30 Sep 2010, 15:41 pm
@JockBok(JockBok)-89: Did Mapoe or any other POC held any union to ransom?
30 Sep 2010, 15:46 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-90: Mate, yet another daft observation! You have absolutely NO idea how professional sport work and are completely obsessed with race. No matter what a person says, you stare yourself blind against your own racial issues. There is NO point in trying to discuss the matter with you. You are incapable of making a statement that is not based on your own racial issues.
30 Sep 2010, 15:53 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-90:
Your naivety is simply astounding Mighty. surely WP were right in not paying Dollie a shed load? and is there a trend? Do all white youngsters get more than POC?
Really, you are grasping at straws here mate, I think you should go lie down for a bit because you are very quickly making yourself look like a complete fool.
And I’m assuming a bit here, but when you eventually leave school and have to fend for yourself in the big bad world, you’re in for a heck of a shock my friend.
30 Sep 2010, 15:58 pm
@JockBok(JockBok)-93: I dont think he will finish school. He might finish is, but actually completing it is a different story. Die tik da innie kaap is mos lekker, my broeh!
30 Sep 2010, 16:01 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-91:
Mapoe obviously did. Pay me more or I’m leaving! How else can it be viewed?
And the fact that no-one else has made these demands blows your theory of racism out of the water, no?
30 Sep 2010, 16:11 pm
O **** jy die Magtige Hoerewa…van die Kaap **** jy hom kerm en kla!! He is planning his Zim-style land invasions…
30 Sep 2010, 16:18 pm
Holy me…h o o r gets censored…
30 Sep 2010, 16:19 pm
change the Craven Week name to the Markgraaff week
30 Sep 2010, 16:22 pm
@Slartibartfart(Slartifartfast)-96:
It’s another hit n run. He’ll be back later to throw around a few more racism allegations and the leg it when he can’t back them up.
30 Sep 2010, 16:23 pm
@fsjakes(fsjakes)-81: JS exactly right. If I think I am worth more than what my employer is willing to pay me do I want to be restricted from looking elsewhere and taking my services to someone else. If I lose out as a result that’s my decision but I have the liberty to make that decision , it employment law. Otherwise we are back to slavery.
The fact that Ebersohn was a senstation at school level is a stupid argument because it has to do with your current and future potential and not your past potential. If Mapoe has developed better at S14 level for example , enough to be persued by other unions it may mean that he is a better player now than Ebersohn, in their respective positions.
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