Boks latest – Beast misses training
22 Nov 2010
Keo.co.za brings you the latest from the Springboks’ end-of-year tour.
Beast misses training – Beast Mtawarira sat out of Monday’s training session due to a knee injury incurred in the Boks’ defeat to Scotland. The decision on the prop’s availability will be made later in the week.
Should Mtawarira fail to pass fit, CJ van der Linde will be considered as a replacement. This would lead to Coenie Oosthuizen coming onto the Bok bench.
The team for Saturday’s Test is due to be named on Tuesday.
Poms buzzing ahead of Bok clash – England No 8 Nick Easter says his side is feeling confident about the coming tussle with the Springboks. England beat Australia two weeks ago, and despite a lacklustre showing against Samoa, he felt there were positives.
‘We’d created chances but had not nailed them,’ Easter wrote in his Daily Telegraph column. ‘We did in the second half. In many ways, we’ll get as much from this as we did from Australia. We’ll have to bring the best of both performances to beat South Africa.
‘I’ve played against them five times and lost the lot. England have lost their last six against them. Trust the Scots not to do us a favour. It’ll be a wounded Boks who come to Twickenham. It’ll be a full-blooded affair. It always is.
‘We want to finish on a high note. It would put a dampener on the autumn if we don’t manage to do that, difficult as it will be. We’ve got to make the most of these moments, all the more so as this is the last chance we get to clock a win against the southern hemisphere before the World Cup.
‘There’s a buzz in camp. We’re very much up for it.’
Matfield regrets poor tactics – Springbok captain Victor Matfield said his side employed the wrong approach and that contributed to a crushing loss to Scotland. The Boks tried to run the ball, even though atrociously stormy conditions prescribed a percentage approach.
‘There has been a lot of talk about us needing to be more expansive in our approach and maybe we paid too much attention to that,’ said Matfield. ‘These weren’t the right conditions to play expansively, and we made too many mistakes in our own half that Scotland were able to punish instead of us getting the ball down into their territory and playing from there.’
Bok coach Peter de Villiers defended his decision to sub goal-kicking machine Morne Steyn for Pat Lambie in the second half. Lambie went on to miss a crucial kick.
‘If we look at the Morne Steyn incident in isolation then it might have been a mistake, but if you look at the bigger picture towards next year’s World Cup then you have to say that the players need to get experience of playing in these conditions,’ De Villiers offered.
Poms take aim at Boks – Despite a disappointing showing against Samoa, England are feeling confident about the coming clash with the Springboks. Manager Martin Johnson wasn’t satisfied with the performance against Samoa, but said the fact that England ground out a win was important.
‘We had to keep our composure and keep on playing and it was a good experience for them,’ said Johnson. ‘I think we’ve clearly taken steps. This week was a new experience – not all of it good, but in a sense it is good because things like not finishing, going behind in the second half, are all ultimately good experience.
‘We’ve got one big shot at the world champions next week. Everything about us has got to have a little bit more intensity and accuracy. If we’d got that against Samoa we could have scored two or three more but we didn’t.’
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21 Nov 2010, 15:34 pm
@Transformation(Transformation) : He does indeed. He even commented that he always missed his first one. He did have an awful hook that seems to be coming right but he will work it I am sure.
Why the coaches and the Captain ask him to kick with 2 other chaps on the field who have been there before is beyond me.
21 Nov 2010, 15:36 pm
@mainland(mainland) : Taking quotes out of context is standard practice on this site, it goes with the high level of integrity and journalism
21 Nov 2010, 15:37 pm
@Transformation(Transformation) : Lambie’s Kicking and general play was enough to win the CC final.
He just needs to settle down in the Bok Jersey. He sure as hell hasn’t had an easy start, coming on with the Bumble Boks staring down the barrel in every game.
21 Nov 2010, 15:39 pm
@Bhloo(redj) : Hello Bhloo, Have not see you around here for a very long time. Hope you well buddy.
No don’t say it was Lambie that cost us the game. It was lost way, way before that. Hougaard, Morne, Ruan and Zane just kicking everything away. Not good enough.
Remember Fransie and Morne missed a penalty, that is 6 points. They got that we would have won too. Lambie missed a conversion 2 points that would have given us 19 points. We really never done much after that kick anyhow, so even if he slotted it over we would have lost. No use going on about the kicking at posts, it is the tries we are not getting that is where we are losing it. We need to get more tries and not rely on us getting the penalties and 3 points to win us games. We simply have to move on from that and start to play with more possession. Stop this clueless stuff of kicking it straight back to the opposition. Just not good enough. That is what is losing it for us. We wont make it out of our pool next year if we do that against Fiji or Samoa.
21 Nov 2010, 15:39 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2) : yeah, the media tribune may not be such a bad thing after all
21 Nov 2010, 15:39 pm
Dan Retief, summed it up well. Shows Vic is not an international captain, as for the coaches, just ****
21 Nov 2010, 15:41 pm
@Transformation(Transformation) : 48
Agreed.
I’m a big fan of Lambie’s – but he’s bottled a couple of simple kicks and he needs to work on his technique. In the end, the kick was irrelevant, because of our domdoos kick-kick-kickety-pharking-kick, we never got into a position where being 2 points behind might’ve made a difference. But, yeah, if Lambie’s going to take over, he’s got to work on his kicking.
It would also help if PDivvy didn’t keep throwing him into ridiculous situations – go out there and save us, seuntjie. In his roundabout PDivvy way, he admits putting Lambie on was a mistake, but ag ja, it are for the WC, jy weet.
21 Nov 2010, 15:41 pm
@Puma(Puma) : being within 3 points with 5min to go does change things a bit. but we were playing so much skommel that it would not have factored
21 Nov 2010, 15:42 pm
@Mistral(Mistral) :53 – Exactly. Also how can one just come on and be ready to take a kick??? Anyhow we need to get more tries and not rely on the penalties and 3 points each time. We playing outdated rubbish rugby. Keep possession. Select the right players to start that would help too.
21 Nov 2010, 15:42 pm
The Poms will be very cocky next weekend, just wait for the Pommie press this week they will absolutely rubbish the Bokke you can bet on that, if they win they will be unbearable.
21 Nov 2010, 15:42 pm
@Mistral(Mistral) : his miss against ireland was inexcusable. apparently he has a 66% kicking average in the cc it’s not good enough for Test rugby unfortunately.
21 Nov 2010, 15:43 pm
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA) : 60 – They will beat us. It is a given if we play the rubbish we have been playing. We played terrible against Ireland and Wales too. Lucky to win those.
21 Nov 2010, 15:45 pm
@Puma(Puma) :
Hope not mate would much rather your boys do the job, although take them away from Twickers and they’re about as scary as Ronan O’Gara in full flight.
21 Nov 2010, 15:45 pm
@Vryburg(Vryburg) : i have always said vic it not a captain. he gets moerig quick and if u see ur captain get silly, especially a guy u look upto, then the rot sets in. when i played and felt the ref was being unfair it gets into your head and you give up in many ways (without admitting to it).
21 Nov 2010, 15:46 pm
As the Scottish commentator said, driving a maul from your 10m line to the half way line and then having Pienaar kick the ball into the Scots’ hands with a **** chip kick does not make sense.
Stupid play. Matfield should have taken responsibility and spoken to his players about not giving away the ball so easily. Same old, same old, I guess. Since I’ve supported the Boks.
21 Nov 2010, 15:48 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy) : 50. Actually I thought the rolling maul was very good and the scrums were rock solid… I also saw Stegmann stealing some ball, but overall the strategy and decision making was abysmal… The Boks have regressed… There is half a Plan A (when in doubt maul or loosies pound it up the midfield), and no plan B or C… Certainly no enterprise or counterattacking from players like Aplon or Mvovo, who we know can do it! Also since when has JdV become solely a crash ball specialist – not his type of game! It is a mess and some decisions like substitutions are absolutely clueless. Embarassing!
21 Nov 2010, 15:48 pm
@HongKongSlong(HongKongSlong) :
My sentiments exactly.
It’s enough to make you vomit.
21 Nov 2010, 15:49 pm
@mainland(mainland) : 58 – It was long lost before that though. Can’t understand how some can put the blame on Lambie’s head for us losing. That is absurd to say the least. After we played the worst rugby I have seen us play for such a very long time. We were just rubbish. Just about every player was dreadful. Our lineouts too was the worst I have seen in a long time.
21 Nov 2010, 15:50 pm
Straight after the RWC we need a complete overhaul, black, white, coloured, the whole damn lot. Barring a miraculous RWC victory, Hoskins, PDV, Muir and Gold should all share a stake of the blame for where we are and where they’bve taken this team and step down.
21 Nov 2010, 15:51 pm
Lambie is comparable to some of our greatest springbok flyhalves…. The boot of Henry Honiball, The defensive flair of Naas Botha, The attacking flair of Louis Koen and the speed of Jannie De Beer…. Or maybe he is still a little wet behind the ears…
21 Nov 2010, 15:51 pm
@Transformation(Transformation) : 61
Not quite that bad: 71.88%
21 Nov 2010, 15:51 pm
@Francois(frmeyer94) : 65. It wasn’t a Scot, it was Brian Moore and his exact words were “The Boks win a lineout, drive 15m and then the SH kicks the ball into no man’s land – Clueless!!!”
I think we both agree with him!
As for the up and under from Pienaar in the last 3 mins when the only hope for the Boks to win was to keep ball and try and score – Clueless again!
21 Nov 2010, 15:52 pm
we were so abysmal yesterday that watching us do the rolling mall well felt a bit sad. i mean is this the only thing we can do now? lineout drive???? and anything 2nd phase we play into the blue…
21 Nov 2010, 15:52 pm
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA) :63 – Hope so mate, just can’t see it happen. We seem clueless really.
AB’s are playing beautiful rugby, great to watch that type of rugby. They in a class of their own at the moment.
21 Nov 2010, 15:52 pm
@NZINCHINA(NZINCHINA) :
Oh they’re getting better and don’t they know it!!! They’ve already started over here…
21 Nov 2010, 15:54 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game) :
Brian Moore is a ****! An ignorant opinionated ****.
21 Nov 2010, 15:54 pm
@Hooker22(Hooker22) : 57. “It would also help if PDivvy didn’t keep throwing him into ridiculous situations – go out there and save us, seuntjie. In his roundabout PDivvy way, he admits putting Lambie on was a mistake, but ag ja, it are for the WC, jy weet” – Classic!
21 Nov 2010, 15:55 pm
@phil72(phil72) : 70
You’re a snotty little cumquad aren’t you?
21 Nov 2010, 15:56 pm
@Yetirat(Yetirat) : 76. Yes he is. And what makes his comment worse is that he is 100% right!
21 Nov 2010, 15:58 pm
@Puma(Puma) : totally, ive been really keen to watch him go. so when he was not picked to start i was like… well he will get 20 min. but like against wales he gets factored out the game. i was shocked to see how little he handled the ball- was streaming the game to the quality was bad but i counted 3 times at bes when he was fed the ball by ruan. was all just crash ball up the 1st channel or kick.
21 Nov 2010, 16:01 pm
@Transformation(Transformation) : 48 – He will Transie. Also needs to start sometime. Maybe the Baa Baas game. Coming on late when we are in trouble and behind is pressure for any player. Let alone a 20 year old that has only just got to play for the Boks.
Also why the heck we don’t start with Alberts? We have too. Stegmann too was not up to it yesterday.
Ag, so disappointed in our Boks Transie. Most players not great yesterday, also our gameplan is dated now.
21 Nov 2010, 16:01 pm
@Hooker22(Hooker22) : it’s funny though that everyone and their mother were screaming that pdv should’ve started lambie for this game bcos ostensibly it was the best game to BLOOD him
21 Nov 2010, 16:03 pm
PdV and his crew have now entered into the Dolf Straeuli league of Bok coaching. The only thing now separating these 2 regimes is Staaldraad. What makes it worse is that PdV has better talent available to farkup than Straeuli ever had!
Outtahere!
21 Nov 2010, 16:05 pm
@mainland(mainland) : 80 – Ruan was not great either. Nor was Hougaard. Really not saying this cause I am a Shark supporter but would just start with McLeod against England. We have nothing to lose now. McLeod was in blinding form in the CC. I would just give him a go.
Okay going to watch ‘All Out Rugby’ for what it is worth.
Catch up later.
21 Nov 2010, 16:06 pm
Hooker22(Hooker22)
What is Lambies strengths at the moment? Is it his prolific boot, his big hits, his vision for the game or is it his ability to let our hugely talented back line run havoc….
21 Nov 2010, 16:07 pm
@Transformation(Transformation) :82 – Transie, maybe we might not have seen so much of our ball being kicked away had he started. That is what lost us the game. Just kicking our ball away time after time. Lambie wont kick it away buddy. I would have started with him. There was Ruan and Fransie to take the kicks if need be.
Okay back later.
21 Nov 2010, 16:08 pm
@Transformation(Transformation) : 82
And I was one of them – give him time to play himself into the game. Give him time to create a game of his own making, then judge him accordingly. Who knows how the game would’ve turned out HAD they started with him?
Blood him with some pharking common sense. Don’t chuck in there with 10/15 minutes to go when the pressure is immense and not of his making, when your 104 game captain’s having teenage hissy fits and all around you have lost their pharking heads.
Don’t throw him to the wolves then turn around and say, ag ja, it were a mistake but my heart were in my good place, jy weet.
21 Nov 2010, 16:08 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game) :
In isolation that comment was correct. If you’ve had to endure 3 games in successive weeks with his one-sided commentary it represents a slightly different agenda.
21 Nov 2010, 16:10 pm
Matfield is not vocal enough as a captain to his team either.
21 Nov 2010, 16:12 pm
@phil72(phil72) : 86
He gets his backline moving, he doesn’t kick everything away, he…
You know what, I’m not gonna get involved in this with you. There’s an old saying about arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics – even if you win, you’re still retarded.
21 Nov 2010, 16:12 pm
@Puma(Puma) : “how can one come on and be ready to take a kick???” you have to be joking puma
didn’t morne come in & kick us to victory in one of the most important series of the past couple of years at loftus? how many caps did he have when he was thrust into that situation?
i’m not blaming lambie i’m just saying he needs to work on it…
21 Nov 2010, 16:15 pm
@Puma(Puma) :
Cheers and the best thing was that the forwards scored all the tries so the whole team is firing.
@Yetirat(Yetirat) :
They would be the last team we would want to win the WC.
21 Nov 2010, 16:16 pm
Lambie’s heart must have been pumping custard when he went up for that kick. Give the lad a chance, in a few years’ time he will be a superstar. Fact is the weather in Edinburgh was atrocious, the reffing was atrocious, and the Boks game plan was atrocious. Time to start playing in the style of the Sharks and the A.B’s., keeping posession, running the ball, quick passes, quick hands, and quick feet. Time for the old experienced players to loose their 2007 mindsets, and move into 2010, with its new rules. One eloquent word sums up last night’s game….it was KAK!
21 Nov 2010, 16:16 pm
With PDV and his assistants it was arrogance with regard to Lambie the idea being that we would run up a lead and then expose him to Test rugby. What gave them the idea that we were going to run up a lead even against the Scots playing the **** we have been playing boggles the mind. I’m sorry to say it but rugby has advanced a long way from the 80′s yet the style we are playing is still 80′s style. Someone was saying that they saw the Boks playing running rugby in the 80′s , well hello that was in the amateur era, since then the competition has got stronger and faster and the rules have changed slightly , so no longer can we create space for our backs using dumb assed forward dominance only and kick and chase rugby. We need players to be using their natural athletic strengths and ability in a clever way, learning where to attack the defences with clever passing and running lines, not kicking the ball up and under and hoping for a turnover.- Dumb *** rugby (no other word for it). We coach the natural instincts out of players.
You cannot expect players to go out and lose all their natural instincti.e. not to want to take on the opposition and be the hero. You need them to be a little selfish i.e. willing to be the hero and back themselves. They will learn to make the right decisions eventually but before they can learn that they are taught by our coaches to think in a collective way only. They become dumb *** rugby players – I am pissed with this Bok display as they have the skills to do the job.
21 Nov 2010, 16:18 pm
@Transformation(Transformation) :
And how well have we done with MS at #10 since?
Pretty piss poor. One kick wonder.
If anything MS should be on the bench to protect the lead. As it is now, someone has to come on to try and regain the lead.
21 Nov 2010, 16:18 pm
When you do not, as a rugby nation and leader in the global game, have the foresight and guts, in early 2008, to make the bold decisions to forge a new team for the 2011 WC, then you end up just about where we are right now and that is in TOTAL disarray.
That then gives a sick look of being truly disconnected from top to bottom creating a pathologic mess where the national body lies, the coaches as a group lie and the captain and players as a collective lie about anything and everything, all looking to the world to be not unlike clumsy clowns.
Tactics are your day to day responses to a given situation on the field and the field captain has a huge input into that. So Matfield says that in “the atrocious conditions” we play an expansive game – stunningly astounding but not true as we all see an error laden, aimlessly kicking display sans any worthwhile motivation and commitment to the cause of winning. Who does he think he is fooling with that bit of dishonesty?
The most important thing to do now is ask why is everyone LYING? What are they protecting and hiding? Where does this all lead to and eventually end? And there are many more, even uglier, questions.
Awkward questions, yes but needed unless they(those in control from top to bottom) are hoodwinking the whole wide world of rugby.
You decide as I have some time back already come to my conclusions without any misery at that.
21 Nov 2010, 16:19 pm
@bananaboy(bananaboy) :
Snap !
21 Nov 2010, 16:22 pm
Currently watching an interview with PDivvy. Big smile on his face, talking about how much better we’ll be next week. Delusional.
21 Nov 2010, 16:23 pm
@DaveS(DaveS) : 93
Agree 100%.
Unfortunately, you’ll get the old Cop-Out brigade who’ll say that’s not Springbok rugby, we don’t know how to play that type of game, we need to play to our strengths (what strengths?) etc, etc.
We HAVE to embrace the new style of rugby, we HAVE to jettison our old domdoos kick and thump brainless style of play. And if we don’t have the players to do that, then we need to find those who can. Otherwise we’re going to lag further and further behind and our aura is going to fade away – if it hasn’t already. Like the commentators said, Scotland aren’t intimidated by the Boks…the way we’re going, no one’s going to be.
21 Nov 2010, 16:29 pm
An unlikely, but always possible, win next week, will get most of the delusionals among S.Africans to be forgiving of all except one or two like P.DeV and Muir as you stupidly and arrogantly rejoice and once more talk about world’s best players again.
Yet that is just another disconnect from rugby reality which leads to more pain down the line somewhere.
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