Killing Kanko
24 Nov 2010
RYAN VREDE argues that Ryan Kankowski is guilty of letting himself down but appalling management and a patent lack of coaching are mitigating factors.
Just two years ago there was a raging debate about who of Pierre Spies or Ryan Kankowski should start at No 8 for the Springboks. Spies had one of his worst-ever Super Rugby campaigns, while Kankowski shone for the Sharks, prompting widespread calls for his inclusion.
However, Peter de Villiers banked on Spies but told the media that we were ‘blessed’ to have a talent like Kankowski in the wings. ‘There is no difference whether Spies or Kankowski plays,’ he added, ‘they’re equally good.’
Seventeen Test matches into his career and we’re still waiting for Kankowski to replicate his best Super Rugby form on the Test stage. Certainly he hasn’t strengthened his case for a run-on start in the limited opportunities he has received, but the cause of his mediocrity demands closer inspection.
Undoubtedly the Springboks’ pragmatic tactics don’t aid him and is the reason both he and Spies have struggled to assert themselves consistently at Test level. Nowhere was that more evident than against Scotland at Murrayfield on Saturday.
The Springboks began promisingly, playing through phases and attacking the channels around the ruck fringe. Kankowski would often be deployed at third or fourth phase, where he had time and space to attack a depleted defensive line. By utilising him in this manner the Springboks were harnessing his primary strength and extracting the greatest value from him.
Then inexplicably they started to kick away possession. Compounding their problems was the poor execution of those kicks. Kankowski, along with the team’s other primary strike runners, was rendered a virtual spectator for the remainder of the Test.
Furthermore, De Villiers argues that he has invested in Kankowski, but that investment amounts to 609 minutes of a possible 1 360. That seems reasonable for a second-choice eighthman.
However, the picture becomes clearer when you consider that 122 of those minutes were spent at blindside flank, a position he freely concedes he is not suited to, 86 of those minutes were against lowly Italy and those 80 minutes were in the dead-rubber third Test against the British & Irish Lions in 2009. Tests against Wales and Scotland account for a further 215 minutes.
De Villiers’ estimation of the player was further questioned when he selected Joe van Niekerk ahead of him for the Test against Wales in June. Van Niekerk would not be selected again in 2010.
In fact this year Kankowski has suffered most from his coaches’ clear lack of vision and unwavering belief in an off-form Spies.
Barring the Scotland Test on Saturday, he’s started once, at blindside flank against Australia in Perth, and was woeful. Only twice has he played in two successive matches. When announcing his team to play England, De Villiers called Kankowski the Man of the Match against Scotland, but still omitted him from the match 22 for Twickenham.
It’s not just flawed and stifling tactics and a lack of game time that irks. It is also that Kankowski clearly hasn’t been schooled in the the nuances between Super Rugby and Test rugby. His running lines and positional play don’t differ, which is a poor reflection on the Springboks’ coaching staff.
Willem Alberts is De Villiers’ new plaything. When Heinrich Brüssow returns, Kankowski’s international career will stall. The treatment he has received is abominable. A player of his calibre deserves better.
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189 Comments
24 Nov 2010, 05:35 am
kanko – exciting S14 player, Unfortunately a full time Bok – i don’t think so.
i am not sure any form of management would have given us a different outcome. With th wealth of talant at 6, 7,8 he probably own’t travel to the WC in 2011. The only beneficiary willbe him. Who would want to be part of this embarrasment anyway.
24 Nov 2010, 05:45 am
Its so sad when you think back when everyone was so excited to see him play for the boks. I remember commentators singing is praises during the Super 14 all year before he became a bok. Its been years and just like Pienaar he never got his groove in the national team. Management definitely is part of the reason players like Kanko never reached their potential. An obsession with Spies is another reason.
24 Nov 2010, 05:58 am
If a players needs to be coached to teach him how to pass the ball, pick from a ruck and find a groove in his position he should not be in the team. Willem Alberts got two opportunities to shine and he did. I’m tired of these primadonnas. I thought the primadonnas came from CT now I see its shifted to DBN. Ruan, Frans, Barrit, Kankowski all crying over opportunities many would die for. But hey, a sense of entitlement and victimisation will always flow if their attitudes remains the same. I’m not sure if that’s good for team ethics.
For pure 8th Man play, these are my choices:
- Duane Vermeulen
- Willem Alberts
- Pierre Spies
- Schalk Burger
- Ryan Kankowski
24 Nov 2010, 06:06 am
Is this article saying that the Boks should play a running gameplan to allow Kankowski to shine? Kankowski got 10 hours of rugby time and he still couldn’t shine? Also does is the combination of Kankowski, Smith and Burger better than the combination of Spies, Smith and Burger?
24 Nov 2010, 06:32 am
Kanko like Lambie and Mvovo will be ruined by the clown coach. If you have the proper game plan and tactics in place organised by the best coach for the Boks, things will certainly change.
Right now the Boks have 15 thoroughbreds but what’s the use if their talents are negated by a kick and chase game.
24 Nov 2010, 06:34 am
With his speed, size, skills and flair, he would be great wing. If 18 year old George North from Walls is a great prospect then Kankowski can certainly match him.
24 Nov 2010, 06:35 am
Kanko would be an absolute winner if he played for the AB’s
24 Nov 2010, 06:41 am
What’s interesting is that players like Kanko play rugby league. He has the size and speed to be a brilliant athlete doing exactly what he does for The Sharks but his natural talent for running at speed off third or forth phase ball is not being utilised by this so called coach.
de Villiers simply does not have vision. If he was a real student of the game he’d take the individual players and work towards their strengths. The Kiwis and Aussies do it effectively.
24 Nov 2010, 06:43 am
Kankowski wasn’t ruined be the coach anymore than Gary Botha, Wynand Olivier, Neil de Kock or any other backup Bok was. Gary Botha actually has a much stronger case for complaint, given that two quota hookers who play behind him at provincial level have consistently been picked ahead of him at the Boks. But even so, Bismark would still have been the first choice.
In Kanko’s case there are simply better eighthmen than him at the Boks.
Sorry, but its reality. He shouldn’t even have played against Scotland.
24 Nov 2010, 06:46 am
Correct JC, Kanko is in the same boat as WO … he is a good provincial player and that’s all. Test rugby is not for him.
24 Nov 2010, 07:05 am
Matter of opinion, what ryan gives you on attack (which is debatable) you most definitely lose in the tight, he is never going to clear a ruck for you or be physical enough to carry the ball around the rucks, he is not test match material and with the rise of Alberts and Vermuelen we will see the end of his test career.
24 Nov 2010, 07:16 am
Kankowski was badly treated this year, having to play 7, a position which he has rarely played provincially. However, he has even less mongrel than Spies does. I was shocked to see him chosen against Scotland. He is a flat track bully, who works well when there is go forward ball, onfast fields in open games, but does little to secure that ball, and isn’t particularly strong on defence either.
I am not convinced that it is Snor’s fault that Kankowski hasn’t developed a more aggressive, physical playing style, and I think he was done a diservice to be selected for this tour.
24 Nov 2010, 07:32 am
@stand-off(Braders) : I think it is too late to shift him to wing now, but, more so than Spies, I think he is a natural wing. He has good feet, pace and acceleration and also runs towards space.
Does any-one know where he played at school? Did he ever play in the backline?
24 Nov 2010, 07:42 am
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21) : how is being asked to try one’s hand at a different position being ‘mistreated’? Keiran Read started as 6 at the Crusaders, now he is arguably the BEST 8 in the world currently.
24 Nov 2010, 07:44 am
You guys cannot be serious with this wing talk. Honestly that must be just a wet dream for you. Kanko is not THAT talented and is not a Jonah Lomu.
24 Nov 2010, 07:46 am
WORKMAN21:
He was at St Andrews College and as far as I know, he was a loosie.
He’d be a great wing. Play him there at S14 and watch the fireworks
24 Nov 2010, 07:47 am
Jean de Villiers was pushed to wing when Jake started. Danie Rossouw was pushed to 8th man. Francois Hougaard was pushed to wing. Habana was moved from 13 to 11. CJ van der Linde was asked to move from 3 to 1. Juan de Jongh was moved from 13 to 12. Ryan moves from 8th man to 7 (blindside) and he cannot adapt???
24 Nov 2010, 07:48 am
@Transformation(Transformation) : Read and Kankowski are different players. Kankowski rarely plays 7 at provincial level (has he ever?) and Kankowski is not adapt at performing the hard graft which is necessary of a 7 at international level.
Thats the whole point – his skill set is limited – great with space, outwide on fast tracks with good ball, terrible in close, doing the physical grunt, as is recquired of a 7, especially at international level, and especially in a Bok side which is struggling to secure ball.
Read had the skills to play 6, Kankowski doesn’t have the skills to play 7.
It isn’t about changing your game plan to match the players, its about choosing the correct players to play your gameplan.
24 Nov 2010, 07:54 am
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21) : if that is the case then, he can wait for games against the usa & italy because we can’t afford a showpony that only can play when the game is open and he can only prance around…kanko has to improve himself & his game to fit into Bok rugby and not the other way round!
24 Nov 2010, 07:54 am
@RugbyStudent(RugbyStudent) : As already stated, it all depends on the skill set of the players – if they are able to make the transition.
You aren’t going to move Olivier or Januarie to the wing (as was done with Hougaard and de Villiers) because they don’t have the pace. Bakkies isn’t going to go to 8 because he doesn’t have the skills.
Just because some people have transitioned to other positions, doesn’t mean that every-one should be able to, and especially not at the highest level.
Kankowski doesn’t have the skills to play at 7, especially not with Spies at 8, as happened during the Tri-Nations.
Not every positional change works – ask Mark Gerrard, who played at 10 for a couple of games, or Giteau at 9, Donald at 12, Toeva at 13, George Smith at 8, Mortlock at 12, Jorrie Muller any-where on the field etc.
24 Nov 2010, 07:56 am
@Transformation(Transformation) : I agree completely – he was a shocking selection for this tour, and also a shocking selection for the Tri-Nations. His selection, more than that of any other player, illustrates to me that Snor has little idea what he is doing.
24 Nov 2010, 07:56 am
@WOLFMAN21(WOLFMAN21) :
In fact to be honest the blame that PDivvie is getting in this should not be directed at his preference for players but for him not sticking to his gameplan in 2008. He should’ve said, right my style is to play the situation so I’ll pick those players. Now he is stuck with a gameplan that requires loosies to play like their in the tight 5 and are not links in the moves.
24 Nov 2010, 07:57 am
Kanko has never been given a proper opportunity at Test level, and those that say he has are deluding themselves.
Spies was given as much time as he wanted to settle into the squad, and he had any number of nightmare games during that period (debut 49-0 vs Australia kinda says it all). The same can be said for Wynand Olivier and Zane Kirchner. Gary Botha is actually third choice hooker for the Boks, so that comparison cannot be made.
Kanko has not been given the consistency of selection that allows a player to develop into the Test environment. Sure, there are outliers like Steyn (both of them), Alberts, Habana, that seem to possess the ability to simply slot in at Test level and play their game, but these guys are very far from the norm.
Ultimately, it was his bad luck that he was to be selected behind Spies, that happens all the time. However, to say that he does not have the aptitude for Test rugby after not being given the time nor correct management, to be selected out of position and then operate in a game plan contrary to his stengths, is grossly unfair to the player at the very least.
24 Nov 2010, 08:01 am
@BuckRogers(BuckRogers) : He shouldn’t have been selected because his strengths are outweighed by his weaknesses, especially at test level.
His line breaks are irrelevant if, as an eighth man he can’t muscle up in the tight. Same thing goes for Spies, but Spies still offers more in the tight than Kankowski does.
24 Nov 2010, 08:04 am
Kanko performs best when he is linking with a backline. This is something that is NOT going to happen with PD as coach as PDiddy doesn’t even know what a backline is.
For reference sake – Kanko scored the highest player rating when he played at blindside against OZ
Oh and did I mention he owned Mr Spies in the Semi Final of the currie cup and then Duane Vermeulen in the final
24 Nov 2010, 08:05 am
Last comment – I don’t know how you can expect a player to perform when he gets little game time. When was the last time he had two consecutive run-on’s in a row
24 Nov 2010, 08:10 am
I disagree with the assertion that he is not suited to play a tighter role.
If all of the above holds true then why in most critics opinion was he was of our standout players vs Scotland, a game that was
as tight as it comes and didn’t suit his running strengths at all.
Its the lack of coaching in the bok setup, the fact that he is being asked to play in a brand new loose trio, and of course the complete absence of any discernable game plan that are making Kankowski seem out of depth.
And tell me, since when (prior to this tour) has Spies set the world alight in a tighter test match…and has he genuinely set the world alight in test rugby in general??
24 Nov 2010, 08:14 am
@Byron@inhep.com(Byron@inhep.com) : For the Boks? I don’t know – and it doesn’t really bother me all that much.
No player deserves to be selected, or to take 10 games to prove he can make it at the international level.
In my opinion, Kankowski doesn’t have the skills to play number 8 (or 7) at international level, and even if he plays 20 games, he still won’t be as good as Alberts or Vermeulen, or SPies.
24 Nov 2010, 08:18 am
@MacToogie(MacToogie) : And Spies gives your more in the tight?? Come on. Did you watch the semi’s and the final of the CC or even the Scotland game? Kanko got through a lot of tight, hard graft but you probably didn’t see it because the guys doing the hard graft usually goes unnoticed. Kanko has improved greatly in the tight game. having said that I would still prefer Albert over both Spies and Kanko. Kanko’s defense is also miles more effective than Pierre(bounce off me) Spies.
24 Nov 2010, 08:21 am
@pokkel(pokkel) : spot on
24 Nov 2010, 08:21 am
surely if you see someone run with the ball he must be good…
24 Nov 2010, 08:22 am
@Neilster(TNUC EHT) : scotland, tight as they come? hahaha
24 Nov 2010, 08:26 am
@pokkel(pokkel) : did i mention Spies? did i say he is good in the tight or loose? no i didnt, but i do think he is a better option than Kank, but i do believe Vermuelen and Alberts is where our future 8′s lie, Alberts has done more in his limited time on the field this season than Ryan has done in 3 years under Divvy. some guys have what it takes to make an impression at test level, Ryan, so far, has not stepped up.
24 Nov 2010, 08:29 am
Killing Kanko?
Dont tell me some disgruntled cougar has put a hit out on him too?
This practice needs to be discouraged.
24 Nov 2010, 08:30 am
@MacToogie(MacToogie) : Then we agree…mostly. I have always wanted to see what Kanko can do as a 13. I know it will never happen but he has good hands and runs INTO gaps and has more than enough pace.
24 Nov 2010, 08:31 am
@MacToogie(MacToogie) : dont bother…kanko needs a continuous run of tests to prove himself yet thoroughbreds like alberts need 20 minutes
24 Nov 2010, 08:32 am
Kankowski was the standout no 8 in the semi and the final of the currie cup. Of that there is no doubt.
He dominated the Spies and the Bulls in the wet in Durban (not quite like Alberts did but then again no one has dominated a rugby game like he did that day.)
Did Vermuelen even play in the final? That is an honest question, I cant even rememeber him being on the field. I do remember Kankowski making yards all day and then running from the back to release Mvovo down the wing at one stage.
Kankos problem has always been all the momentum and match fitness he’s built up over the season is stopped dead in its tracks when he sits on the bench for a month with the boks while Spies gets tackled back by scrumhalves and fails to make important tackles whilst floating aimlessly in the centres.
Even so, he was my man of the match along with Juan Smith on Saturday.
If he is nothing more than a provincial player as some of you state, fine by me. He can continue dominating ‘test match quality’ no 8s in the S14 and Currie Cup for the Sharks.
No problem.
24 Nov 2010, 08:33 am
Wat sê ‘n bloubul as hy die oggend langs sy meisie wakker word? Goeie more tannie!
24 Nov 2010, 08:33 am
Again it was this website that called for a prgmatic approach through out 2008/2009!!! Now they want running rugby? Jeex guys how does your mouths taste? Because you are surely talking s…
24 Nov 2010, 08:34 am
can’t “entirely” agree with this article …
if you blame management for Kankowski’s Test level performance (or lack there of) …
… then you should also congratulate them for Willem Albert’s awesome performance …
So you can’t be blaming them for one thing and be blinded by the other …
Same with Wynand Olivier … vs Juan de Jongh …
they had plenty of opportunities at Test Level but did not fulfil or transfer their Super Rugby/Currie Cup form onto Test level …
Pierre Spies over Kanko
Juan de Jongh over Wynand Olivier
Take your Test opportunities when they come .. and Treat them like it’s the last time you will get to play Test Rugby …
24 Nov 2010, 08:34 am
@pokkel(pokkel) : then he must play 13 for the sharks not the springboks
24 Nov 2010, 08:35 am
also … Heinrich Brussow even with one hand tied behind his back will be better than Stegman … Eish !!!
24 Nov 2010, 08:36 am
@gunther(gunther) : saffa players and milfs
24 Nov 2010, 08:37 am
@Transformation(Transformation) : haha!
24 Nov 2010, 08:38 am
@Transformation(Transformation) : Agree hundred percent…Kanko is to skinny for test rugby, went and played against Italy, first touch and he was knocked on his backside by a lock and carried off.
Kanko has had enough chances, Spies is bigger, faster and stronger! Why have the same type of player on the bench?
On the bench you want different type players then the starting 15. Spies not working in a certain game then you want an Alberts or Russouw to come on.
I don’t understand Kanko’s inclusion at all as he has never impressed at test level and most of his starts have been against sencond tier international teams!
24 Nov 2010, 08:39 am
@Two Eyed(Two Eyed) :
24 Nov 2010, 08:39 am
@John Galt(John Galt) : Well said sir!
24 Nov 2010, 08:40 am
@Jughead(Jughead) : Yup, Stegman had his shot and failed not by much but the boks have a history of outstanding no 6 flankers and Stegman does not make the cut.
First choice no 6 flankers:
Brussouw
Burger
Flouw
24 Nov 2010, 08:41 am
Kanko and Spies have really not shaped up to the new laws as the Bok team do not play to their strengths and style
24 Nov 2010, 08:41 am
@BreakdownBoy(goodstuff) : Bigger, faster, stronger – you must a bulls fan.
What about seeing space, linking with backline, ability to read a game on defense?
24 Nov 2010, 08:42 am
@gunther(gunther) : Yeah, but if you read the article on Charl Mc Leod in the YOU a few weeks ago, he does mention that he’s a bit of a “player”.
Yes. My MOM buys the you and I give it a glance over when we visit them. It helps pass the time
24 Nov 2010, 08:42 am
@BreakdownBoy(goodstuff) : Yes, Kanko is the Wynand Olivier of Loosies
24 Nov 2010, 08:44 am
Any player who is the real deal should be able to play in any conditions and in any game. This thing about horses for courses is bullshit.
24 Nov 2010, 08:44 am
@Transformation(Transformation) : I agree and I’ve made this suggestion since last year when the Sharks didn’t have decent centre’s but like I said I don’t think it will happen.
24 Nov 2010, 08:45 am
@JL1(JL1) : So is Stegman
24 Nov 2010, 08:47 am
None of these comparisons make any sense because most players were played out of position at provincial level – not test level. If you cannot see that as a disadvantage, then you are as clueless as Snor.
We’ve all seen Kanko break off the scrum,run a perfect line, put McCaw one of the best defenders in provincial, test, and super rugby flat on his backside and sail in under the poles. Why because the right platform is set by the Sharks. If he is so poor at clearing rucks, then who has been doing it for the Sharks all the years??? Those monster men Daniel and Botes? Crash and Bash is not working anymore.
And Alberts is in great form, but seriously on Saturday? What did he do other than be in the WRONG place at the right time to score a try. Take a look at the lineout throw he benefitted from.
24 Nov 2010, 08:47 am
Stormersboy
You magazine?
No my friend YOU are the player.
24 Nov 2010, 08:50 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy) : Saw Mcleod is 27 already. Is that so?
24 Nov 2010, 08:50 am
Both Kankovski and Spies would be much better suited at wing but this would be completely politically incorrect. The minimum qualification for wing in this country is speed and skill, size and defectiveness not on this list,,,
24 Nov 2010, 08:51 am
@gunther(gunther) : Yip. Only the highest standards of Journalism for me.
That’s why i’m here
24 Nov 2010, 08:52 am
@Two Eyed(Two Eyed) : Not sure. Next time we visit I’ll ask my mom if I can read her magazine again…
I know he’s been around a bit before he found his place in KZN….
24 Nov 2010, 08:52 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy) :
24 Nov 2010, 08:55 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy) : Im afraid the next YOU is prob gonna have all about Helberg asking for forgiveness
24 Nov 2010, 08:59 am
Barring the Scotland Test on Saturday, he’s started once, at blindside flank against Australia in Perth, and was woeful. Says who? I thought he was quite decent in that test against Australia.
24 Nov 2010, 09:00 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy) : Ja he started out at Maties. Has played for the Valke also. He has been at a few clubs.
24 Nov 2010, 09:02 am
@Two Eyed(Two Eyed) : Yes, Stegman is now also getting his upteenth time to prove himself
Victor really does know how to tell PDV who to select, doesn’t he?
24 Nov 2010, 09:12 am
@Two Eyed(Two Eyed) : I’ll be sure to keep my eye open for that one…
24 Nov 2010, 09:19 am
@JL1(JL1) : @66
not sure how to read your post but let’s see it from another perspective…
Stegmann is nou playing his 4′th test… in a bok side that is horrible off form, with 3 coaches who are imo clueless..
Kankoffie has got 17 tests , although not all as started.
All these new young players we are advocating for… will we also give them 3/4 games and then chuck them away like we did with Flo?
Is this how it should happen?…
let’s take Lambi as example…. to me he hasn’t done anything on this tour… should he be dropped like FLo and not get another chance?
just my take on things,
24 Nov 2010, 09:24 am
@Staal(Staal) : I think Staal that it is becoming more apparent that the new rules lessen the impact of a specialist Deck Player like Steggman. Yes he’s not just that, we all know that, but it’s only in exceptional circumstances where that sort of player can make a real impact.
McCaw is a rare breed indeed. He takes on the role of a deck player when opportunities allow, can carry the ball if required, he can do it all. We need to be “breeding” those types of players rather than pidgeon holing them into “specialist roles”
What do you think?
24 Nov 2010, 09:24 am
@Staal(Staal) :
the thing i remember most about the straueli days, apart from the terrible win record, was the fact he kept trying new players, and then dropping them. it was up to them to perform or they were out. there was no development, or plan. and he started dropping all the experienced players because they were questioning him.
dunno when this will start happening with the boks though. biggest worry for me is players have not revolted against the coaching team yet. i wonder what john smit is thinking while back home recovering and reading the newspapers.
24 Nov 2010, 09:26 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy) :
while i am not disagreeing with youas i have always preferred the openside to be more than just a fetcher, but the emergence of pockock would suggest there is still place for a pure fetcher under the new rules.
24 Nov 2010, 09:27 am
Look any player who gets 10 hours of playing time for the Boks should have shown us something by now that says he is ready to be given time to be allowed more time. I would like to see a number 8 with more grunt not this primadonna articles about how little PDIvvie hugs Kanko.
Fact of the matter is this, in a test match I feel more comfortable having the following players as my 1-3:
8.) Willem Alberts/Duane Vermeulen/Pierre Spies
7.) Juan Smith/Jean Deysel/Schalk Burger
6.) Heinrich Brussouw/Schalk Burger/Francois Louw
I do not feel Kanko would add anything significant in a TEST MATCH with those players around. What I don’t want to see is another flank standing in the f’ing backline waiting to have an individual break so that he can ‘shine’.
24 Nov 2010, 09:30 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy) :
The closest players to a Mccaw is players like Flo, Bissie, Schalkie, Brussouw.
24 Nov 2010, 09:32 am
@munkiboi(munkiboi) : Yes i hear you but the thing is, you really need to be at the top of the pile to be able to pull it off. Pockock is probably the only one other than Richie who are able to do it. And still the Aussies lose anyway. So it’s not as if it’s a make or break in spite of that (for me).
Given all that, and the importance of combo’s, I’d look at the old tested Schalk/Juan/Pierre combo. They do really well together, with Schalk and Juan doing a lot of the dirty work, and Pierre being left to some of the glory stuff.
24 Nov 2010, 09:35 am
@RugbyStudent(RugbyStudent) : Yes we know that obviously, but the point is that they try and emulate some of that play, but still fall waaaay short, so maybe we should be trying to go a different route, with more “hybrid” type players like Schalk, who do a bit of everything.
For me another who is a good hybrid is “Flo”.
24 Nov 2010, 09:43 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy) : Yes Flo is a good hybrid.
24 Nov 2010, 09:45 am
everyone going on about how kanko shines standing in the backline at the sharks needs to calm down and go watch the all blacks vs ireland game and see how kaino & read do the donkey work AND run and link with the back. we can’t afford “specialist” loosies who only run and link with the backs but don’t DOMINATE the tight exchanges.
again keiran read’s try against england was a pick & go where intandem with kaino they barrelled through the pom defence and scored yet against ireland read scored twice finishing backline moves…
kanko HAS to man up!
24 Nov 2010, 09:48 am
@RugbyStudent(RugbyStudent) :
Ya you’re right, those 2 tries Kieran Read scored out wide against Ireland were super k*k. He was just trying to ‘shine’. How very selfish of him.
In fact the first try he scored, he got a pop pass from Kaino who was lurking in the centre.
Its all about when and where the loosies come into the line and cause havoc with their pace and strength against smaller backline players.
Something which Kankowski does better than any other loose forward in the country.
24 Nov 2010, 09:49 am
@iori Yagami(iori Yagami) : @stormersboy(stormersboy) : is he like a Prius?
24 Nov 2010, 09:53 am
@Transformation(Transformation) : Kanko doesn’t have the skill set. Finish and Klaar.
24 Nov 2010, 09:53 am
@Transformation(Transformation) : Yes!!
24 Nov 2010, 09:53 am
@Transformation(Transformation) :
Agree with you fully.
Kanko made yards everytime he broke off the back of the scrum and also in the tight loose. Especially against the Juggernaught Bull pack.
Proves to me he can mix it with the big boys as well.
24 Nov 2010, 09:53 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy) : @ 69
I am not arguing for or against a certain player…
i’m asking is the current system of “hiring & firing” players the way to go … like Flo?
when – to us bloggers… has a player had enough chances?
what is Snorre’s plan regarding new – up and coming players…
i mean some are advocating here on this site to choose Jantjies (baby fat and all) to play against seasoned internationals… what happens if he struggles in the first 2 games…
24 Nov 2010, 09:55 am
@John Galt(John Galt) : Jy praat k@k. Reid is not selfish at all. You wanna talk selfish. How about Kanko running away from support, so that he need not off load, so that HE CAN GET THE GLORY for him self.
He eventually got isolated and gave a penalty away for holding on.
24 Nov 2010, 09:56 am
Kanko has a face like a horse.
Waiting for someone to give him a carrot.
24 Nov 2010, 10:00 am
@rossoneri(rossoneri) :
Clearly sarcasm is not part of your wit repertoir.
Read Rugbystudents comment before mine numbskull.
And Kanko has been doing that all season for the sharks. Difference is, there is ALWAYS a support player with him when he makes that sort of break in the form of Daniel or Strauss etc.
Just because the rest of the Boks were behind the pace on Saturday doesnt make it Kankowskis fault.
24 Nov 2010, 10:10 am
@Staal(Staal) : No I knew that, I wasking your opinion of the whole “fetcher” debate
24 Nov 2010, 10:12 am
@gunther(gunther) : hahaha a milf Middelburg milf maybe
24 Nov 2010, 10:17 am
Kankowski is a woman version of Spies. Find it hilarious that he made the starting team instead of Alberts.
Whenever KANKO starts the Boks usually lose. Lots of players that should never see Bok colors again… but we first need to get rid of the aids, Muir and Gold.
24 Nov 2010, 10:21 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy) : o ok.
imo you need deck players.. but very very good ones at that!
Pocock is a case in point.
i know the game is changing to ball carriers (had a long discussion with HMeyer about that as well) but Pocock can do both, very well.
so maby the best is then a fast – big – ball carrying -fetcher.
24 Nov 2010, 10:26 am
@Staal(Staal) : So basically Bismark Du Plessis then?
24 Nov 2010, 10:27 am
Kanko for wing!
24 Nov 2010, 10:27 am
@Staal(Staal) : yes, that was the point I was trying to make in my posts 74 & 75. I’m just not sure who would fit that bill in SA. Any ideas?
24 Nov 2010, 10:52 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy) : @ 91,
Bissie has enough on his plate as it is. Whatever he brings extra to the game is a plus but he must fulfill his role as a 2 first. The better he is as a hooker the better he will be in the loose as well.
we are struggling with turnovers mainly because we are not committed at the rucks…. imo….so it is a bigger problem than just choosing a fetcher… go and see how many times Stegmann was taken out at the rucks…. where was his support.
same there with the Wales 6 and 7…. we cleaned them well in the second halve and protected our ball better – i mean Alberts nearly killed that 7 at a ruck when he cleaned him…
(till Bissie lost it in the lineouts 
we were on un upword curve… although not a steep one! 
)
i can live with a fetcher like steggies, Brussow, Flo but they will not make any positive influence if their support at the brakedown does not increase 500%.
we are as forwards not committed at the brakedown point… imo
where can you get the ball? At starts, lineouts, scrums, massive defence, rucks and mauls and mistakes from the opponents….. we need to be better coached in all facets of them. imo.
coaching….is where we must be better at. players we’ve got a plenty.
imo.
24 Nov 2010, 10:57 am
personally i think PdV an co made alot of mistakes that they’ve learnt from and some players shouldnt be given soo much credit
i mean the 3rd BIL test too many changes were made so we learnt nothing. while i feel Alberts should start ahead of Spies i think Kanko showed every1 what he can produce when given a fair opportunity ,like against Scotland he played with the same forwards Spies played with the week be4 where he was named MOM
while Kanko didnt have a bad game, to say he’s being killed is GROSSLY unfair
24 Nov 2010, 11:05 am
@Staal(Staal) : Yes I like what you’ve just said there. I noticed how many people were commited to the ruck on the Scottish ball last weekend. Most of them were practically uncontested. If Deon goen into a situation like that it’s all over before it even begins. Bakkies used to do that very well, but he’s been very reserved of late.
I must say that’s where the value of a guy like Alberts comes in. He really hits those rucks as you said. I’d definately play him before Kanko any day of the week.
24 Nov 2010, 11:22 am
Kankowski is a prima donna poefta mommys boy lover boy pin up for the ladies he don’t belong on a rugby field klaar. His first real chance to prove his worth on an international rugby field and he runs into 2 Italian locks and still hasn’t recovered yet.
I still can’t work out these endless infatuations with substandard test players like Kankowski, Olivier, Kirchner, even Spies to extent, and the like, every time they get a chance to show what they made of at international level they disappoint and invariably contribute to Boks loss.
What was Kankowski thinking when he broke away alone and ran away from his support while Juan Smith was calling him to break outside he goes the opposite direction and gets isolated penalized and turned over. Such individualized attempts all too often are his standard fare. He’s no international player just like Olivier and a host of others though they been tried often enough and failed. Spies barely makes the grade at international level and God knows how many times he’s been given opportunity to prove it yet he still owes Pdv big time for his consistent faith in him even though there are far better 8′s in the country and abroad.
In 08.. Pdv made his choices for his loose trio, they were Burger, Smith, Kankowski and Spies. Of those only one has proved consistently efficient, Smith. Pdv let Van Niekerk and Watson go thinking Kankowski and Spies and Burger were his blue eyed boys and he made a huge mistake. 3 years later we still counting the costs of selecting Pienaar, M. Steyn at 10 ahead of Grant, and Kanko and Spies ahead of Van Niekerk and Watson.
24 Nov 2010, 11:30 am
Well, fact of the matter is, Kankowski has only had 2 opportunities in the bok side where he had consecutive starts. That is not fair towards any player. Steggman is a newbie who hasnt shined at all, and is already on his 4th consequetive game. Eightman is a very technical position, and you need to settle in a combination, that takes time. Most of his starts were always in “aangelapte” bok teams where the coaches try a new front row etc etc. So to be fair towards Kanko, he has rarely had chance to play in a settled side. A please go check the facts before you put up the usual **** comments.
To the people who say he is to small, he is 108kg. 1kg less that Spies. To the people who say he is weak on defence, did you see Spies’s tackle stats…42% completion ration for an entire season. So you cant even say he had an off day.
In the Scotland game, playing in a non-performing pack and on the backfoot, Kanko had the second most ball carries and the most running meters gained, 55m to be exact.
He dominated in the Bulls semi final, had poos Morne shatting himself and backpeddling everytime he ran at him. Was very strong against WP, even knocked old Schalk back twice in tackles.
Personally, I think people just argue against Kanko cos they either dont like his hair style or because he doesnt have the usual Afrikaner name, so by default every reckons he is a softy.
Murray Mexted reckons Kanko is the best 8th man in the world. But hey, what does Murray know.
If I had to play a game of “deurhardloopertjie” with my annual salary on the line, I would hope Spies is standing in the middle, as even though I stopped playing rugby 6 years ago, I still back myself to beat him in a one on one.
24 Nov 2010, 11:36 am
@askanaz1(askanaz1) : I’m still curious Skop, why Askenaz1?
24 Nov 2010, 11:42 am
@Transformation(Transformation) : By Kanko’s own account, he needed to work on his tight game. That’s why he put on 6kgs in the pre-season and has been working with plumtree on it. You’ll notice in the Scotland game, he did a lot of ball carrying(when they had the ball) and made it over the advantage line. He is clearing more rucks than he was as well. He also assisted in Stegmann’s only steal of the game. He is not the show pony he once was.
24 Nov 2010, 11:45 am
@Transformation(Transformation) : 88. What you doing talking about Rossoneri – “half Middelburg milf”…. “LMFAO”
24 Nov 2010, 11:48 am
@askanaz1(askanaz1) : 97. Ask your “wonderful”, “amazing” coaching trio PdV, TrickyDicky, and Goldilocked why you “still can’t work out these endless infatuations with substandard test players like Kankowski, Olivier, Kirchner, even Spies to extent”….
Maybe its: they don’t what the fark they are doing….
At least you starting to see the light….
24 Nov 2010, 11:53 am
Lol old fuckadilly.
He changes with the wind.
Lets hope he doesn’t dribble on his jean pant.
24 Nov 2010, 11:56 am
@gunther(gunther) : 103. That Nokia is getting molested at this stage… after that wind in the willows underlining…
24 Nov 2010, 12:03 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game) : stillettos u pervert…
24 Nov 2010, 12:06 pm
@Transformation(Transformation) : Okay, half middelburg milf… in stilettos… waiting for her boytoy… Transie.
24 Nov 2010, 12:08 pm
The old nokia is in the repair shop having the letters ******* a d i l y repaired on the keypad.
It is also having a thick coating of bile removed from it’s screen.
24 Nov 2010, 12:09 pm
I’ll ask again who has been clearing the rucks etc. for the last couple of if Kanko is so nowhere … monster men Daniel and Botes?
You don’t win the CC twice and be competitive at Super 14 with a poor loose trio.
24 Nov 2010, 12:13 pm
108. kevin w(kevin w)
But winning 2 super rugby trophies in a row with a bunch of panzie looses is possible
24 Nov 2010, 12:15 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy) : Kanko is like mesikind
good for s14 and currie cup but not wuite there for international
problem is why persist if not good enough and some1 like alberts is there?
then again Alberts can cover more positions and hence him on the bench
24 Nov 2010, 12:16 pm
@phil72(phil72) : which team was that?
24 Nov 2010, 12:18 pm
@Papoose(papaown) : Maybe Kanko and Wynand Olivier get extended runs in their positions at CC and Super 14 level … ever thought about that?
And Alberts has been played two weeks in a row … coming on at the same time in the same position with the same job to do.
24 Nov 2010, 12:19 pm
@kevin w(kevin w) : read post 110
thts like asking which centre has been scoring and creating tries for the Bulls
DUH Meisikind
put on a green jersey and is he the same player, i dont think so
24 Nov 2010, 12:20 pm
Just checked the forecast for Saturday, if rain was a problem then God help us with a prediction of a low of -2C and a high of 3C with light SNOW.
24 Nov 2010, 12:25 pm
@Papoose(papaown) : Yeah he is the same player, just wearing a different jersey.
24 Nov 2010, 12:25 pm
111. kevin w
Steggies, Spies and Potgieter not really rated on this site…
24 Nov 2010, 12:26 pm
@kevin w(kevin w) : 112. Well said!
24 Nov 2010, 12:29 pm
@gunther(gunther) : 107. Lol. Note how ask a naz1 is now very quiet after the pointing out of how the wind seems to blow from all directions in the skop weather front…
Maybe the new Nokia is also farked now…
24 Nov 2010, 12:31 pm
cc and S14 is not International rugby
Kankowski and Meisiekind are Cc and S14 level players, never have been international level and never will be, klaar.
24 Nov 2010, 12:36 pm
BOth are ****. Danie Roussouw generally out plays both of them, he also plays well in the NH and especially well v the Poms!
24 Nov 2010, 12:38 pm
ask a f’ng Nazi which way the wind blows or where the nearest gas chamber or funeral parlor is and they sure to tell you like these two dumb Kraut Nazi’s goebeldygunthergwat and Herr Shameless
24 Nov 2010, 12:39 pm
@race of tan(race of tan) :
Yeah good point Danie really shone for us last time we played at Twickers. Danie, Smith and Spies offer the kind of grunt we need against the Poms but Steggies if he can slow their ball will disrupt them with their new found “expansive” style.
24 Nov 2010, 12:55 pm
@askanaz1(askanaz1) : 121. That funeral parlour is reserved not for a Death of a Salesman, but the Demise of a Bokcoach. I think England may show on saturday not how To Kill a Mockingbird, but Tequila MockBok Coach…
24 Nov 2010, 13:02 pm
Nice fuckadilly.
You sad old bag of piss
24 Nov 2010, 13:05 pm
Another stupid article from Ryan Vrede , no suprises there.
Its called STEPPING UP Ryan! Raising your game when the oppurtunity has presented itself. Guys like Aplon , Willem Alberts,jeez even Brussouw when he started out, have had far fewer chances to establish themselves than Kankowski or Wynand Olivier ,but somehow they have taken their oppurtunities and made the most of them.
My dog’s bladdy nephew from the Karoo could have written better articles than this.
Just wasted 10minutes of my life on this. How bout an article on Danie Roussouw as a 8th man in those conditions , or how the emergence of Alberts has been one of the small positives on a miserable tour.
24 Nov 2010, 13:29 pm
And the vote for the most easily provocable blogger on this site goes to…….
24 Nov 2010, 13:35 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy) : 126. For that answer you may have to ask a naz1…
24 Nov 2010, 13:35 pm
Ryan,
You think PDV will drop Kankowski for Alberts for the WC?
No chance.
24 Nov 2010, 13:37 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game) :
good day HG
24 Nov 2010, 13:39 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover) : 129 Howzit SL. All good your side… Did you dodge the magnum .357 PI oke who was threatening you the other day
24 Nov 2010, 13:40 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy) :
old hair trigger.
el fuckadillio.
he is about as stable as the Grand Ayatollah Ruhollah Moosavi Khomeini.
with pmt.
24 Nov 2010, 13:40 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game) : Don’t you think it’s rather ironic the we’ve abbreviated what is basically a Jewish tribe (albeit adopted, not true sons of Abraham, but professing the Jewish faith nonetheless) into naz1?
24 Nov 2010, 13:41 pm
@askanaz1(askanaz1) : 119. Soon you’ll be saying that about all the Bok players especially after PdV and TrickyDicky especially have had their wicked way with them…
24 Nov 2010, 13:44 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy) : 132, They are German Jews… I think the biggest sect/grouping in the world… It is rather ironic… I think the source of this name doesn’t get irony though
24 Nov 2010, 13:45 pm
@gunther(gunther) : Yeah. More like Kim Jong Ill at the moment…
24 Nov 2010, 13:45 pm
@gunther(gunther) : 131. LOL. I did an All Black there… I choked…
24 Nov 2010, 13:47 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy) : 135. Watch out. The Nokia is being configured to artillery fire control and you going to be the South Korean island…
24 Nov 2010, 13:52 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game) : Yeah. I have actually asked him a couple of times now why the nic, but he’s ignored me. Si I’m left to draw my own conclusions.
24 Nov 2010, 13:56 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy) :
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game) :
I can actually see fuckadilly messing around with his tofu and chopsticks dribling away wondering which part of the capitalist imperialist running dog schmuckface South Korea to wipe off the map with his nokia 100.
to be honest its quite a frightening prospect.
the sort of thing you would threaten naughty kids with.
24 Nov 2010, 13:56 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game) : lol HG yeah man the oke was the internet ruiter in swart
24 Nov 2010, 13:59 pm
@gunther(gunther) :
24 Nov 2010, 14:00 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game) : or Kid colt
24 Nov 2010, 14:05 pm
@gunther(gunther) : “Flied lice you plick!” (Lethal Weapon)
24 Nov 2010, 14:06 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy) : 138. At risk of a nokia controlled guided f’kadilly missile…
24 Nov 2010, 14:06 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game) :
24 Nov 2010, 14:07 pm
@gunther(gunther) : 139. Hehehehe. Yeah, and it could go in any direction… any way the wind blows… Ol Keo Kim Il changes his mind many many times….
24 Nov 2010, 14:08 pm
@sharks_lover(sharks_lover) : 140. Ja, but you sorted him nicely in the end…
24 Nov 2010, 14:09 pm
@kevin w(kevin w) : dont be a moron
he’s not the same player for the bok as for the bulls
same with Stephen Donald with the all blacks and chiefs
dont take “same player” so literally
i’m sure you did Higher Grade English at school
24 Nov 2010, 14:09 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy) :
don’t give him ideas
24 Nov 2010, 14:15 pm
@gunther(gunther) : lol sometimes I’ll just provoke him to see what he spews back, If I’m online in the evenings. His response usually swift and never dissapointing.
24 Nov 2010, 14:17 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy) :
it’s like poking a rabid pitbull in the nuts with a sharp stick..
cruel…but ultimately quite rewarding.
24 Nov 2010, 14:18 pm
@gunther(gunther) :
24 Nov 2010, 14:19 pm
@gunther(gunther) : from behind a fence of course..
24 Nov 2010, 14:25 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game) : someone had to do the dirty work
24 Nov 2010, 14:28 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy) :
or a keyboard
24 Nov 2010, 14:48 pm
@gunther(gunther) : ed zachery. Although of course, his “Clark Kent” to his Superman would probably be extremely dissapointing.
24 Nov 2010, 15:23 pm
Ryan Kankowski was no worse than the rest of the Boks
England are gonna smash us and thats okay with me.
I can’t support these clowns any more
24 Nov 2010, 16:27 pm
With Danie Rossouw – the no 8 who excels in NH conditions – being “rested” for this tour, Willem Alberts should have been the no.8. Alberts is very similar to Pakslae with his driving plays and could have grown in stature now that Danie is fading into the twilight. Spies & Kanko are similar players – speedy and fast on hard and dry surfaces but disappearing in a muddy and sloppy forward brawl. Spies actually suprised me on this tour, but Kanko last Saturday was the completely wrong horse for the course in the Murrayfield bathtub.
I wonder if the 3 stooges even realized that they werepicking a team for the Northern Hemisphere and not for Australia/New Zealand/locally when selecting the squad? Do they bother to look at weather predictions? Why announce the team on Tuesday and not wait till Thursday when a more reliable weather prediction can be factored into the team selection.
I really hope PdV have Eddy Jones on speeddial for next years WC – that may be our only hope unless SARFU has the balls to do something about the 3 stooges NOW.
24 Nov 2010, 17:01 pm
@kevin w(kevin w) :
You’re not going to win the argument. Too many on this site think that Kanko (or any other ‘non pampered’ player) should win the game on their own or they’re useless. The fact of life is that many, like Spies, MS, JdV and the other premadonnas have played consitently in poor bok performances. That they are the common denominator just escapes thier limited knowledge of Rugby or any other sport. The whole shenanigans revolves around their unabriddled hero worship of certain players which makes them totally blind to reality. Whilst other players are not given the opportunity to perform in a decent team without these little premadonnas then nothing’s going to change. No one on this site will influence the selection process. Whilst many open their mouths wide and protest about the poor results it’s humurous that their thoughts run parallel with PDiv – an we all know what an abject failure he’s been.
As they say – look at the scoreboard.
24 Nov 2010, 17:24 pm
Whilst there is great celebration about the reinstatement of Spies and the retention of MS, Stegman, Aplon and JdV, 196 of 270 bloggers at this time think England will win. Is it just the vociferous bloggers who apparently account for the 27.4% of the ‘yay’ votes (sic)?
24 Nov 2010, 17:32 pm
@OCO(OCO) : Yeah, I agree. Spies comes in a makes the odd meter here and the occasional tackle there. He does this game in and game out. Kanko comes in, does these same meters plus maybe a little more, hardly misses a tackle, but because he didnt score 5 tries from 70 meters out in the one game he gets every year, he is considered as not taking his chances.
Its okey though, as Plum sees him as the best 8th man in a team that has Alberts, Daniels and Deysel. But hey, what does an ol’Kiwi coach know anyway, the Bulls supporters reckon benchpressing and flexing muscles in stupid TV adds make you a great player.
24 Nov 2010, 17:36 pm
@OCO(OCO) : I predict Spies to be tackled backwards at least every 2 out of 3 pickups from the base. And Spies lovers, you who have such great knowledge of the game, pay attention Saturday, put you brandy asside, and stop talkin k@k to your mates, pay attention on how many “almost tackles” Spies makes…you know, those where he sticks out his arm and the person just flops past him…see how many times the scrummie breaks and just drags Spies behind him for the first 3 paces, and the Spies just lets go.
Always funny how Bulls supporters always ignore the fact that their hero tackles like a nancy. Howe did someone put it on News24, built like a brick shithouse, but playes like a Barbie Dollhouse.
24 Nov 2010, 17:37 pm
@Skiballas(Skiballas1) :
The probelm is with the Boks is that they still think they can play with brute strength and zilch intelligence. the game has changed (basically because of the new rules – and for the better) and the Boks still think they can still play 1950′s rugga. Well the recent results show just how stupid this is – as they were shown in the 3N and also the 3 EOYT games this year.
they need to start from scratch and chose a team that can compete and not just try the odd experiment whilst retaining the core of neanderthal players.
24 Nov 2010, 17:41 pm
@Skiballas(Skiballas1) :
LOL! Yeh SPies is all that. the other reason he doesn’t run away from his support is that he’s so slow that they run past him! Also, as you say, he gets tackled backwards all the time. his best performance this year has been minus 50 meters gained
24 Nov 2010, 17:48 pm
@OCO(OCO) : On Saturday his will have so many negative running meters he will arrive back in SA before the rest of the team…
But on a serious note, it is all about combinations as well. I truely hope to see the Sharks combo play the Babarians next week. I think Kanko, Alberts and Daniels really compliment each other…
Oh yeah, and to the pricks always saying Daniels is a fetcher, and using that to justify Stegmans inclusion…The Sharks didnt seem to struggle to steal balls from the Bulls and Province lately.
24 Nov 2010, 17:54 pm
@Skiballas(Skiballas1) :
Well, if the trio get a run then it would be a good indicator of potential. I’m ‘holding thumbs’ that they play and Lambie too. However, PDiV has a very strange mind (to say the least) so I wouldn’t expect him to change the team, especially if they get beaten by England, as it he would be worried about his stats and not trying to improve the team ahead of the RWC.
24 Nov 2010, 18:12 pm
hey guys! it’s been a while
just thought I’d let you know, I’ve just started my OWN blog- following some people’s lead 
anyway so if you ever miss me or wonder what I’m up to feel free to check it out
http://rugbyheelsandeverythingelse.wordpress.com/
cheers
24 Nov 2010, 18:28 pm
What don’t you understand……
MOTM says it all.
24 Nov 2010, 19:00 pm
@SpringbokSarah(SpringbokSarah) :
Are you the stukkie on the left or right?
24 Nov 2010, 19:02 pm
What is a premadonna?
Is it a player who was born before Madonna became famous?
24 Nov 2010, 19:05 pm
Not predawn?
24 Nov 2010, 19:16 pm
@Bhloo(redj) : Wow, I recall Adi Jacobs also getting man of the match once, maybe he should be the number 1 centre.
24 Nov 2010, 19:16 pm
@Great White Shark(Predawn) : And Kanko was the MOTM for the Bokke, as selected by the coaching staff.
24 Nov 2010, 19:17 pm
@gunther(gunther) : In pretoria it is someone who doesnt have a crewcut and also doesnt tuck his T-Shirt into his jeans.
24 Nov 2010, 19:19 pm
@Skiballas(Skiballas1) : You mean, jean pant
24 Nov 2010, 19:20 pm
@Skiballas(Skiballas1) : And T-shirt also means Two Tone Shirt
24 Nov 2010, 19:21 pm
@Skiballas(Skiballas1) : Crew cut must mean short,back and sides
Or pee pot hairstyle
24 Nov 2010, 19:30 pm
something like that LOL
24 Nov 2010, 19:33 pm
You guys looking for a job.
We need someone to polish the silverware…
You interested?
24 Nov 2010, 19:39 pm
You can wear your teeshirts in or out,
Tie you hair in ponytails,
Front teeth are not obligatory……
As long as the shine comes through!!!!
24 Nov 2010, 19:49 pm
In fact we will settle for two guys to shine up the three, yes three S14 trophies.
Well what is it….yes or no?
24 Nov 2010, 20:00 pm
With Alberts now part of the squad, Brussouw, Bekker coming back Danie Rossouw might just keep Kanko out of the WC group in 2011…
24 Nov 2010, 20:08 pm
@OCO(OCO) : That is how the Sharks won the CC with brute force, not too much brains (apart from Lambie) at the back where they tackled anything that moved…Andries Strauss will need another season (poor Cheetas) just to recover:)
24 Nov 2010, 20:28 pm
@Great White Shark(Predawn) : what blog are you on? there’s only one piece?
24 Nov 2010, 20:53 pm
Ask a Nazi, snottie, I asks you wif tears in my eyes, couldn’t you do better than that?
As for all the Oucou’s etc that whine about Kanko, Spies etc being useless being useless, a question for you?
If WP, the Bulls or Sharks had played Snotland on Saturday last, who would have won?
You have to say Snotland or WP to be consistent in your argument. Then I ask, who beat WP (and the Bulls) a few weeks ago?
24 Nov 2010, 21:14 pm
its absolutely patently obvious its been staring us in the face for how long, how long
Fact is I inadvertently chose exactly the correct pseudonym for this here pseudo open minded race inflicted highly intolerant and outright indignant white skin prejudicial so called rugby congress of garbage ridden gnats
These f’ng pseudo intellectual closet indoctrinated inverted Nazi’s, especially these pommie faced imbecilical little paraprats, like this pisswilly little punkeyed peanut brain self delusional little irritation of an erroneous claptrap pratassed rat gunthergoebeldygargoyle geloompa gnat is tantamountly the absolute exact pertinent example of it.
I smell a rat, a f’ng piece of garbage high handed punkface pratassed Nazi sympathetic prat, and ain’t it a small coincidence that such dubious pieces of smugfaced pratassed eroded chunks of second grade crapass garbage tend to high five it around here exactly like the garbage riddled feeble little pieces of punkeyed schmuckface Nazi’s that they undoubtedly and despicably are,
24 Nov 2010, 21:56 pm
@askanaz1(askanaz1) : ….so anyway Skop, are we gonna climb out of this hole we let ourself fall into this weekend
Bloody Diek is the problem and Victor telling coach who to select and coach with poor tactical subs
24 Nov 2010, 22:13 pm
we winning this weekend JL1
its pretty much already done and dusted, we setting a new course into the sunrise
Victor and John have befuddled PdV’s brain with their senior status whatever we say goes cockamamie bullsh’t baffles brains bemusing
John wants to play it Jakes way, Victor wants to play it Heyneke’s way and in betwixt and between all the confused thinking of Victor and his Bully beef buddy buddy bye bye system of spoils and spots for pals, and John’s heredity of traditionalized strengths of kicking and chasing to eternity and beyond, old Diekie dew drops and Goldilocks have dropped their porridge and are asking who’s gonna feed the cat.
Meantime back at the ranch, we got the old enemy in our sights and even by fluke or by hook or by crook, you can take it as granted, we taking England to the cleaners this weekend come hell or high water, while lifting our legs and mixing it with the bloodhounds and bull mastiffs and ugly Pomeranian bulldogs.
25 Nov 2010, 00:41 am
You’d expect a coach of a national team to do it his way, not Jake’s way or Heyneke’s way. After all, it’s his neck on the line.
If he can’t do it his way, why bother with a coach at all?
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