Saru changes policy on Maori
3 Dec 2010
Saru has reversed its policy on the New Zealand Maori meaning fixtures between the Springboks and the Maori could take place in future.
Earlier this year, Saru president Regan Hoskins issued a formal apology to Maori players who were excluded from South African tours during apartheid. A number of Maori players became victims of the racist ideology of South Africa’s former government and were denied an opportunity to represent the All Blacks in South Africa.
This apology came after speculation of a Springboks vs NZ Maori match to mark the latter’s centenary. The match was originally scheduled as part of the Springbok warm-ups ahead of the 2009 British & Irish Lions tour but called off when Saru deemed the Maori a team selected along racial lines which conflicts with the South African constitution.
While the 2009 and 2010 opportunities have passed, there will be an opportunity for a match-up in the near future.
‘Saru held its last General Council meeting for the year on Friday in Newlands. The Council agreed to adopt the policy pertaining to the New Zealand Maori, which now paves the way for matches between South African teams and the Maoris,’ a statement read.
‘South Africa will play against any team which has the official blessing of its national governing body,’ added Hoskins.
Other outcomes of this meeting saw Gary Meyer of the KwaZulu-Natal Rugby Union elected as an Executive Council member. He replaces Francois Davids who resigned earlier this year.
Saru CEO Jurie Roux was also elected to accompany Hoskins as the Saru representatives to the IRB, while Dawie Groenewald is the new Saru representative to the Confederation of African Rugby.
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6 Dec 2010, 22:34 pm
too much yakety yak not enough understanding
this is the problem with so called logic, it is so … well,.. stupidly infuriatingly insinuatingly illogical.
people have lost the ability to use their hearts so they try justify their self righteous indignant judgmental-ism with stupid logic
basically one big fat lie, using words like rapiers don’t make anything to be true, only justifiable in an unjustifiable illogical subjective way.
6 Dec 2010, 22:39 pm
@skopiskoobidoo : Those long shifts on foot patrol can be a killer, And the fukkers in the control room play cards and drink coffee. Enough to make any man cranky. But good to have you here, and thank god it’s over.
6 Dec 2010, 22:41 pm
@katman :
yip, theoretically if such a non-national team were to arise and if most of the people of SA were happy for such a team to be selected, then why not. However, practically I cannot really see this happening because of the racial stigma of SA’s history.
The big difference tho is that there can never be allowed a national team, which is racially exclusive, since the point of such a team is not to pay respect to a particular tribe or group, but to select the very best.
6 Dec 2010, 22:47 pm
there is no brain in the heart, you dont ingest more arsenic if you’re already suffering from arsenic poisoning and homeopothy is total horsemanure.
6 Dec 2010, 22:47 pm
@cab : Then why tolerate or humour it at all? Or why do so just because a group is an indigenous minority with a pity card up its sleeve? I find that kind of exception patronising. We’ll let them have their own little team because we feel obliged to respect and, in a way, feel sorry for them? Doesn’t work for me.
6 Dec 2010, 22:48 pm
there is no black or white in the universe, only shades of grey, and there is also no such thing as wrong or right, only dark and light
everything under the sun is subjective and yet everyone still believes they are here forever, till they are not.
6 Dec 2010, 22:50 pm
says the materialist who still can’t fathom if he’s real or not
6 Dec 2010, 22:51 pm
@katman :
truth be told i dont really have a view on the NZ Maori one way or the other, i think its such a non-event in comparison to other issues that it should not even deserve mention.
However, Tackler was implying that the NZ Maori system was the same as old SARU, and that is clearly not the case imo.
6 Dec 2010, 22:52 pm
why do you mean by real?
6 Dec 2010, 22:53 pm
you don’t know how homeopathy works, did your surgeon father tell you it was Dingaan’s sangoma muti witchcraft?
6 Dec 2010, 22:53 pm
@cab : Tackler implies whatever he thinks will get a rise. No real courage of conviction, just well chosen arguments.
6 Dec 2010, 22:54 pm
@cab : Hey, don’t knock horsemanure homeopathy. Skoppie takes it for his gout.
6 Dec 2010, 22:55 pm
Using rugby as political football – tisk tisk
6 Dec 2010, 22:56 pm
real … you know like … real … without any subjective inconclusive non reality … something that is absolutely without any shadow of any doubt perfectly one pointedly not relatively but positively real.
6 Dec 2010, 22:59 pm
@skopiskoobidoo :
pa’s an idiot, most doctors are, i dont listen to him, but they still light years ahead of any other alternative system of medicine ever conceived on this planet. i know what homeopathy u are talking about and its ****. I wonder if you actually practice what you preach, when you get sick are you going to head straight to the quack with his admittedly relatively short 200 year of evidence-based medicine or you heading for the homeopath?
@katman :
yes of course you are right on Tackler, but his logic is faulty and can be deconstructed. i think ou doos takes all kinds of ****.
6 Dec 2010, 23:00 pm
arguments are for people who like getting a rise out of beating someone in a game of chess, something like jousting or fencing with words.
it means diddly squat fokol in any great scheme of things because whether you are pink purple blue yellow black brown or white you ain’t here forever, not even a blink of an eye, in fact you are hardly here at all, even when you so categorically convinced you are.
6 Dec 2010, 23:03 pm
@skopiskoobidoo :
no such thing, maybe the speed of light, even then probably not.
tho i know you think you;ve seen the Absolute, i reckon you were smoking your horney goat weed.
6 Dec 2010, 23:04 pm
i dont give a fk who wins the argument, but what must i sit idly by and listen to horsemanure rhetoric?
6 Dec 2010, 23:08 pm
@skopiskoobidoo : You see, that’s the problem with you “bigger picture” folk. You end up undervaluing your own existence. I’m here, all right. Plenty of blinks of the eye, but that’s my eye. If you want to judge yourself small and miserable against the vastness of it all, then be my guest.
6 Dec 2010, 23:09 pm
homeopathy works in certain cases, just like allopathy does in others
and its not a johnny come lately remedial method of anti disease treatment either
Homeopathy is a form of alternative medicine, first proposed by German physician Samuel Hahnemann in 1796, in which practitioners use highly diluted preparations. Based on an ipse dixit axiom formulated by Hahnemann, which he called the law of similars, preparations which cause certain symptoms in healthy individuals are given in diluted form to patients who already exhibit similar symptoms. Homeopathic remedies are prepared by serial dilution with shaking by forceful striking, which homeopaths term succussion, after each dilution under the assumption that this increases the effect. Homeopaths call this process potentization. Dilution often continues until none of the original substance remains. Apart from the symptoms, homeopaths use aspects of the patient’s physical and psychological state in recommending remedies. Homeopathic reference books known as repertories are then consulted, and a remedy is selected based on the totality of symptoms.
Allopathy is a term coined in the early 19th century by Samuel Hahnemann, the founder of homeopathy, as a synonym for mainstream medicine. It was used by homeopaths to highlight the difference they perceived between homeopathy and conventional medicine, and its use remains common among homeopaths. The term derives from the Greek ?????, állos, other, different + ?????, páthos, suffering. The distinction comes from the use in homeopathy of substances that cause similar effects as the symptoms of a disease to treat patients (homeo – meaning similar). The term allopathy was meant to contrast the homeopathic approach with those conventional medical treatments that are different from or which directly counter a patient’s symptoms; hence the terms allopathic and antipathic. Homeopaths saw such symptomatic treatments as “opposites treating opposites”. However, many conventional medical treatments do not fit this definition of allopathy, as they seek to prevent illness, or remove the cause of an illness by acting on the etiology of disease
6 Dec 2010, 23:11 pm
you actually think there are winners and losers, get serious, he’s got an opinion and i have one, thats all there is to it. some will choose to accept one argument and others will choose the other. Its pretty much like every other discussion on here, whether rugby related or not.
In short, its kakpraat, nothing more nothing less, and we all love it.
6 Dec 2010, 23:13 pm
no you fully entitled to give that rhetorical anal doos a dose of his own anal horse manure, by all means, such idiot rhetorical idiots think they are clever, by resorting to some anal form of stupefied subjectively incoherent ‘logic’ which is palpably and anally absolutely and dogmatically illogical.
6 Dec 2010, 23:15 pm
who’s ‘here’ katman, like where is ‘here’ or who are you?
you got some vague inkling of a clue?
6 Dec 2010, 23:16 pm
@skopiskoobidoo :
170 ou doosie, i’m sorry but both homeopathy and allopathy are complete nonsense, the saffas seem to have a prediliction for new age twaddle but i’m not one of them. you know what all that **** is based on, the placebo effect, the power of your mind, not to do supernatural healing, but to give you psychosomatic ‘cures’.
there is no medical system that has ever been invented that comes vaguely close to modern peer-reviewed evidence-based medicine, not even vaguely. This all achieved purely through logic and reason.
6 Dec 2010, 23:16 pm
@skopiskoobidoo :
Your obsession with, firstly, white ar ses and now anal, is frankly reaching very disturbing proportions. You should go speak to someone soon……
6 Dec 2010, 23:20 pm
its like churning water and expecting goats cheese
arguments for arguments sake, one stupid incongruous intellect trying to outfox the other and neither getting anywhere nearer to any conclusion, mind games of in-consequence that reap zero results.
basically wasting time, that about what it boils down to in a nutshell.
6 Dec 2010, 23:20 pm
@skopiskoobidoo :
“Homeopathy is a form of alternative medicine, first proposed by German physician Samuel Hahnemann in 1796″
you
are one
thick
wanker
w a n k e r
6 Dec 2010, 23:21 pm
This universes pretty vast to actually think that anyone knows where they are
6 Dec 2010, 23:24 pm
@skopiskoobidoo : Oh fck me, those are testy questions. I can’t answer them for sure. What does this mean? How do I carry on now?
6 Dec 2010, 23:26 pm
Watching racing metro play Stade Francais. Steyn really playing kuk. he’s not even kicking for posts.
6 Dec 2010, 23:28 pm
@skopiskoobidoo :
the
papsak
is getting
in sync
with the
chemicals
roundabout
now
ne
so the bs
is out of
control
of hoe
6 Dec 2010, 23:32 pm
@Porra the Fat and Clever Speedster :
He’s been on the papsak non stop for a week now. Binge doping is not good for one!
6 Dec 2010, 23:32 pm
I have a friend who is a recognized homeopath here and he has achieved cures for cancer amongst other diseases that no amount of chemical or chemotherapy ‘quick fixes’ can or have.
Nothing psychosomatic about homeopathy, or osteopathy, or allopathic or even naturopathic principles of healing for that matter
6 Dec 2010, 23:33 pm
@skopiskoobidoo : This is one area that you and I agree.
6 Dec 2010, 23:33 pm
nah thats bollocks, sorry.
6 Dec 2010, 23:34 pm
@skopiskoobidoo : Does your friend market his cures on Verimark? Because he should.
6 Dec 2010, 23:35 pm
@skopiskoobidoo :
i hope
your recognised
friend
has a
cure
for a
**** speaking
dopehead
like you
6 Dec 2010, 23:37 pm
@cab : thats your perogative. My family goes to a GP who practices homeopathy, and my 8 year old son hasn’t needed antibiotics for several years now, where most of his peers are on at least 2 courses a year. He’s not home-schooled, he’s in the general population, so to speak.
That works for us.
Each to their own
6 Dec 2010, 23:37 pm
these okes dilute miniscule quantities of supposed active ingredients, with no scientifically proof as to why or whether they do work, beyond the Placebo affect. They just charging you for water. Look if ppl are fkd with a terminal disease, i wouldnt begrudge them taking comfort in anything be it god or diluted rain drops, but thats not whats going to cure them if there is even a medical cure.
6 Dec 2010, 23:38 pm
@Porra the Fat and Clever Speedster : Ja, what’s the homeopathic version of electro convulsive therapy? Probably like half a litre of Echinacea.
6 Dec 2010, 23:38 pm
skeptical scientists and horse manure doctors should go do some research, nothing so blind as a mind that can’t open, or eyes that won’t see.
Ayuvedic medicine is as old as the hills, and modern practitioners are only recently coming to terms with some of the practices in Ayuvedic medicine that they have so profoundly been missing since the inception of the chemical revolution.
6 Dec 2010, 23:40 pm
@stormersboy :
fair enough, each to their own, imo its total and complete rubbish.
6 Dec 2010, 23:41 pm
Just saw the most classic try. Stad Francais have a long range penalty. Kicker hits the post and the ball bounces back into the winger follwoing up. Literally just fell in his lap, on the full. Try. Racing were fast asleep.
Couldn’t do that again if they tried.
Sorry for talking rugby. Go back to arguing.
6 Dec 2010, 23:42 pm
there’s having an open mind, and then having a mind so open that it falls out.
6 Dec 2010, 23:42 pm
@skopiskoobidoo : Mate, all that “old as the hills” stuff – can those quacks actually explain WHY it supposedly works? Or are we just meant to trust them and their grandmothers’ hand-me-down herbal skills, no questions asked?
6 Dec 2010, 23:44 pm
@cab : Fair comment, however if I shared with you a glipse of the road I’ve had to walk you may understand why I feel the way I do
6 Dec 2010, 23:46 pm
@stormersboy :
sorry to hear, I will shut up
6 Dec 2010, 23:47 pm
@skopiskoobidoo :
“skeptical scientists and horse manure doctors”
and then
you get
skop
who is
more
stupid
than both
6 Dec 2010, 23:48 pm
@cab : Not at all, it’s a story with ultimately a happy ending, but as I say, each to their own.
6 Dec 2010, 23:49 pm
@JL1 : quite correct hardly anyone does, yet they so absolutely sure they do.
If they weren’t so delusional they might even be ridiculous
The reality is they don’t even have the foggiest of clues, yet they proclaim with such certainty that which they don’t even begin to conclude.
In other words delusions of grandeur to its absolute illogical insanity.
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