Return of the king
7 Feb 2011
Fourie du Preez will be the Boks’ key player this year as they seek to defend the World Cup.
In his most revealing interview yet, Du Preez talks to SA Rugby magazine about why the Springboks struggled in 2010, his big-match temperament, who should replace him as Bok scrumhalf when he retires from international rugby, why he wants to play in Japan, and who he thinks should be the next Bok coach.
We also speak to Heyneke Meyer and Bryan Habana about what makes Du Preez the best scrumhalf in the world.
‘If he doesn’t play the Boks are in serious trouble and the Bulls wouldn’t be the side they have been in the past couple of years, says Meyer. ‘People point out that he is integral to their game plan, which is true. There isn’t a better box-kicking scrumhalf in world rugby. But that doesn’t take into account his full value.
‘As the link between the forwards and the backs he is the most influential player on the park. Your decision-making has to be so sharp there, especially at international level where space and time are at a premium. No player can match his decision-making under pressure.’
Also in the new issue, on sale this week:
– Bryan Habana needs creative players around him if he’s to start scoring tries at Test level again
– Francois Louw refuses to believe that his World Cup dream is over
– Local businessman Robert Gumede on why he’s invested in the Lions, transforming the game, and the players he’d like to bring to Joburg
– Stirling Mortlock on what the Rebels hope to achieve in their debut Super Rugby season, why Danny Cipriani will excel, and his desire to get back into the Wallabies squad
– Alcohol addiction and excessive partying cost kiwi referee Steve Walsh his job in 2008. SA Rugby magazine finds out how he turned his life around
– JP Pietersen is confident he can regain the form that made him one of the world’s best wingers in 2007
– While the Test nations up north are coming to terms with the new law interpretations, the club structures and mentality will forever contrast the philosophy down south
– It’s been just over a year since Gareth Thomas became the first openly gay professional rugby player. In this candid interview, the former Wales captain talks about his new life, changing perceptions, and being portrayed by Mickey Rourke in an upcoming Hollywood movie
– The Olympic Games will transform sevens rugby
– Referees must stop interpreting the laws and start applying them consistently
– The three Pacific Island rugby nations will never be able to compete with the world’s best
– Jacques Cronjé on his World Cup snub, maturing, and going head-to-head with Sébastien Chabal at Racing Métro
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8 Feb 2011, 21:41 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-550:
Where is old gwantie-poo?
His hero just barfed all over the Stormers jersey.
Not great style.
8 Feb 2011, 21:42 pm
@BringItHomeBoks(bokfan1)-548: Vick is a phenomenal athlete and talent in NFL who definitely hit a downer in his professional career. This downer was of his own doing as you rightly point out and certainly unsavoury.
The fact that his career was salvaged is due more to the Eagles getting lucky with taking a calculated punt on obtaining a QB at a bargain basement price (when no other team would touch him with a bargepole), rather than him redeeming himself through regret for his past actions, redress of his actions and becoming a better person.
The fact that Puke thinks this is one of those underdog “against-all odds” stories shows how stupidly airheaded this vacuous littleprick is.
8 Feb 2011, 21:55 pm
@BringItHomeBoks(bokfan1)-548: What a disgusting character. How someone like that is allowed back into pro sport is just astounding. And how Luke can admire him for anything he did after the way he treated those animals is very telling.
8 Feb 2011, 22:59 pm
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-552:
Heavens Game, I’ve be forewarned about you. But I have to agree wholeheartedly with you. I’m glad to see another person that hasn’t been sucked into the Watson hype. He started singing SAs praises very shortly before his announced comeback. He serves himself. And his performances are as flacid as his personality. Only the dull witted keep falling for these myths.
8 Feb 2011, 22:59 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-435: Fark off, you racist little hating tart… Trying so hard to be this enlightened self appointed judge of right and wrong… A gatekeeper for the “politically” correct things to do or say on Keo… Criticising the humour of others while churning out mad exaggerations and imaginings of “injustice”.
Instead, just showing your true “colours”… A Boksburg special trying to impress suitors Transformation and Xhosakid.
How totally appropriate…
8 Feb 2011, 23:02 pm
@Blitzbok(Blitzbok)-554: Forewarned is forearmed
I only respond, though…
Mostly tongue deep in my left cheek, other than for the fools here…
Decent rugby loving okes I treat decently though
Outtahere for now.
9 Feb 2011, 01:00 am
@BringItHomeBoks(bokfan1)-548: Absolute sick
Grant and Luke need some help
9 Feb 2011, 08:57 am
@BringItHomeBoks(bokfan1)-548: Hahahahahahahahahahha. You gotta be kidding me!
If Luke posted he likes the colour yellow, you’d find a bloody angle to crucify him on. If Luke posted that the player that was doing hard drugs and was banned for two years, running a coffee shop is doing well, you’s find an angle. If Luke said give Pedrie Wannenberg another chance, you’s find something to smear him about.
Your just plain pathetic.
9 Feb 2011, 08:58 am
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-555: There you go again, slandering people when they are not on the blog. You did it last Friday, and again last night. You do not know the facts, or the background, but in your hateful obsessed frenzy, couldn’t wait to put the knive in. Watch yourself.
9 Feb 2011, 09:03 am
@JL1(JL1)-557: Actually JL1, People with this hateful obsession with Luke, who by the way has apologized, for his part, is sick.
Have you lot lived your lives without making any mistakes? Luke is simply saying for a man like Vick who did wrong, to turn his life around is a great thing. Since when should that be scorned at.
I hope you lot get judged one day as harshly as you judge others and the ones you allegedly offend NEVER EVER give you a second chance.
9 Feb 2011, 09:09 am
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-560: How did Vick “turn his life around”? He was simply allowed to play again by a sporting code with no morals. He is still the same despicable monster that killed and tortured all those animals for his own sick and perverted entertainment. I assume you’re not really standing up for the bloke, but rather just being argumentative. At least I hope so. Vick deserves to live out his days in desperate poverty and shame, not as some second chance rock star.
9 Feb 2011, 09:13 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-561:
I’ve never heard of the bloke. Thankfully.
But I’d hazard a guess that if Luke is congratualting him on turning his life around, no doubt Gawd is somehow involved.
9 Feb 2011, 09:20 am
@JockBok(JockBok)-562: He’s sick. Like all dog fighting small-**** wankers. Sadly, plenty of them around Cape Town, out on the flats. Tough guys with prison tats and pitbulls. I pray that their dogs turn on them and that they meet a terrifying and drawn out end.
What Luke is doing admiring such a person only he would know. Just makes me like him even less.
9 Feb 2011, 09:29 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-561:
Read below.
February 09, 2011Vick wins Comeback Player award
By Associated Press ,
DALLAS (AP) — Michael Vick took a most unusual path to The Associated Press (News – Alert) 2010 NFL Comeback Player of the Year award he received Saturday night.
In the 12–year history of the honor, no player has returned from jail to earn it.
After missing two seasons serving a federal sentence for dogfighting, then spending most of the previous year as a seldom–used backup in Philadelphia, Vick was back at his best in 2010. Taking over as starter in Week 2 after Kevin Kolb sustained a concussion, Vick ran and passed the Eagles to the NFC East title and a 10–6 record.
He also displayed the kind of reformation away from the game that impressed a nationwide panel of 50 media members who regularly cover the league. Vick received 29? votes, easily beating Seattle receiver Mike Williams, who got eight.
“The most fun I’ve ever had playing football,” Vick said. “The guys. The organization I play for now. Coaches. Players. Just the way I live my life now. It’s just been great.
“As a person and a player I learned a lot through my experiences on and off the field. Don’t take anything granted anymore. Certainly, back then (in Atlanta), I was just playing and having fun. I’m doing the same thing now, but I understand the importance of it and how hard it is to get to where we are today. I’m just thankful for the opportunity.”
Coach Andy Reid, who dealt with family problems when two of his sons were arrested on drug charges, believed Vick could change around his life. Few of Vick’s supporters have been as staunchly behind him as Reid.
“He had a plan and he stuck to that, both on and off the field,” Reid said. “He knew certain things he wanted to get better at and he was open to the coaching on it, and he got himself back into shape. … So, he did a great job with the football part of it.
“And then he spends a tremendous amount of time in the public, in particular on his days off … speaking and doing the best he can to right the wrong. You can never erase that, but you can sure help change others from falling into that same problem.”
A star in Atlanta for most of his six seasons as a Falcon after being selected first overall in the 2001 draft, Vick missed 2007 and 2008 while incarcerated for 18 months in a federal prison. The Eagles signed him to a two–year contract worth 6.8 million; he once had a $130 million deal with the Falcons that was the NFL’s richest.
Philadelphia traded Donovan McNabb to Washington in April, believing Kolb would be the starter. He was — for one game. With Kolb sidelined, Vick was sensational.
He threw for five touchdowns overall in his first two starts, both wins, then damaged rib cartilage against Washington, forcing him out for 3? games. But Reid let him keep the job, and Vick was even more dynamic when he returned.
In a Monday nighter against the Redskins, Vick had a performance for the ages, throwing for four touchdowns and running for two in a 59–28 win.
He also threw for three scores and ran for one in a 38–31 victory at the Giants, a game in which the Eagles trailed by 21 points in the fourth quarter.
“Michael has great instincts. Michael’s got it all at this point,” Eagles offensive coordinator Marty Mornhinweg said. “Really, the most important quality, in my opinion, for a quarterback to have is gut instincts, then comes the decision–making and the timing and accuracy. Then comes the big arm and athleticism and those types of things. The gut instincts are critical for a quarterback, and you can see that.”
Not only did Vick make a remarkable turnaround on the field, but his image is improving away from the game. Last month, Vick signed his first paid endorsement contract since his release from prison, a two–year deal with Unequal Technologies, a provider of the football pads Vick wore most of this season.
“To sum it all up, the last five months, have been delayed gratification,” Vick said. “Things that I wanted to accomplish the last couple years that I couldn’t and I had to wait for it, and I had to be patient, and I did it and it all paid off. I just thank God for putting me with the right group of people, with Andy, with a flagship organization, a great group of coaches. … They give me all the credit, but I give them the credit.”
Also receiving votes were Minnesota linebacker E.J.Henderson (3?), New England receiver Wes Welker, Chicago linebacker Brian Urlacher and Kansas City quarterback Matt Cassel (2 each), and Pittsburgh safety Troy Polamalu, Seattle running back/kick ereturner Leon Washington, and Tampa Bay rookie running back LeGarrette Blount (one each).
Polamalu won the Defensive Player of the Year award earlier this week.
MY TAKE:
If prisons are not meant to reform, and people who offend the justice system are not meant to ever be part of society again, then everyone ever sentenced, be it theft, dogfighting, white collar crime etc ought to be executed immediatly by your rational instead of being rehabilitated into contributing a meaningful role in society. He did wrong, he went to jail, and he is trying to put it right. Vick did awful things to dogs, we have a history in this country of people doing awful things to people, and they have begged for forgivess and are walking free.
9 Feb 2011, 09:31 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-563: “What Luke is doing admiring such a person only he would know. Just makes me like him even less”
SO THAT’S WHAT IT’S REALLY ABOUT FOR YOU TOO.
Thanks for proving my point.
Cool, don’t worry, I won’t raise the point again. I see your angle.
9 Feb 2011, 09:41 am
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-564: Who said anything about executing people? I know you’re trying to sound dramatic, but you’re simply diluting the argument.
The NFL had no business allowing scum like that back into the game; back into a rock star life of excess and glory. Sure, release him from prison so that he can work, like any man, at rebuilding his life. Let him learn about hard work and modesty. But, for the love of god, don’t give him his old life back on a plate. In my book he has blown that chance for good.
History has shown that these American nouveau riche sports stars generally don’t have the IQ or EQ to deal with their wealth.
Just like I would not vote a “reformed” Polsmoor rapist or murderer into public office, I would not afford this lowlife the opportunity his greedy Yank sports bosses have given him. Because they’re also in it for themselves, and what are a few dozen dogs compared to a bargain QB star?
9 Feb 2011, 09:46 am
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-565: Why should I like him, just because you do? I bet you don’t like a number of rugby players either. And I bet some of them are Afrikaners. Should I draw conclusions there?
I find him arrogant and manipulative, and I just don’t like him. I don’t like his perpetual victim status. I don’t like his “me against the world” fight. I don’t like his meddling father. I have many reasons for not liking him, and that is my prerogative. Just as you are perfectly within your rights to not like someone else.
The fact that he admires the “comeback” of a cruel and sadistic ******* like Vick just adds more things to the list of stuff I already don’t like about him.
In fact, it’s more telling that you have such a problem with me not liking him, than the fact that I don’t.
9 Feb 2011, 09:51 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-566: Where would Vick be of better value than in a job he is good at, talking to and inspiring other athlete’s in football about his journey and mistakes or packing groceries.
But we digress, your issue is not with Vick, or the NFL, or other sportsmen caught for drugs who serve bans, commit crimes etc and return. ie Joey Barton, at New Castle, or Percy beating his wife, or Bees Roux, or Pedrie Wannenberg, or Lote Tuquiri, or van Schalkwyk, murder, etc. No, your issue is with Watson.
9 Feb 2011, 09:56 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-567:
I have no feelings about Watson either way. Just like I have none about any other Sports star. I certainly do not spend my time following his twitters and drawing hateful conclusions from them, like some people.
Have a little perspective Katman. Hatred for a sportsman who doesn’t even know you is a waste of time. All your conclusions are not even first hand knowledge and you invest so much hatred into it.
9 Feb 2011, 10:02 am
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-568: These kind of arguments (there’s a name for them that I can’t recall now) are so futile. I refer to the way you deflect the attention elsewhere, to cases that might serve your point. So by not liking Luke, I (by default) must support the actions of Roux, van Schalkwyk etc? It’s politics 101, and only the likes of Malema and Shivambu still attempt to use it.
This issue here, today, is about Luke and his dubious admiration for the biggest scumbag in the NFL. Not about Bees Roux or Pedrie or van Schalkwyk. When these guys were the topic, I had plenty to say about them too. And no, it was not flattering.
Come on, you’re smarter than that.
9 Feb 2011, 10:08 am
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-569: Hatred? I just said I don’t like the guy.
I don’t like Steve Hofmeyr or Deborah Patta or Julius Malema or Andre Nel or Danny K or Amor Vittone or Mike Bolhuis or Benni McCarthy or a whole host of other people I have never met, and who don’t know I exist. This is not unusual. And I’m sure you have a similar list. Mine contains Luke.
Deal with it, and stop trying to be such a revolutionary. There is no struggle anymore, however empty that makes us all feel.
9 Feb 2011, 10:12 am
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-508: No no no, it’s not his fault!! He needs more creative players around him!!!
9 Feb 2011, 10:16 am
God you are sexy when you’re angry Lilly
9 Feb 2011, 10:21 am
I was a vocal critic of this wasteful and poorly organised R100 million World Youth Festival. But I’ve just heard something that has made me eat my words. According to National Youth Development Agency chairperson and ANC Youth League vice-chairperson, Andile Lungisa, Egypt would not be free without said Festival.
“I’m not saying we started the protests, but before the festival there were no protests in Egypt. After the festival, there were. Draw your own conclusions,” Lungisa told the media.
So there you have it. Money well spent.
9 Feb 2011, 10:23 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-574: meant to post that on a thread with some traffic.
9 Feb 2011, 10:26 am
Katman.
It’s no use.
The Speedo struggle crew have deigned that Luke Watson is a role model and hero. Largely to do with the big two finger salute he supposedly showed to the core SA support base, who they don’t identify with. Anyone who does not share this view is racist and a bloody agent.
Note how Bossy-Rossi chose not to comment on the dog fighting/animal cruelty aspect, which is the crux of the issue. Using her unusual sense of logic, we would therefore be well within our rights to suggest that she condones such behaviour. But that would just be silly.
9 Feb 2011, 10:33 am
Katman
Beautiful
You can’t make that **** up
The cream of the nation’s youth
Rich and thick.
9 Feb 2011, 10:38 am
@gunther(gunther)-577: I posted another worrying conclusion about the Festival in the Elmer Fudd in hot seat thread.
9 Feb 2011, 10:40 am
@gunther(gunther)-577: We shall henceforth call them the Hearty Oxtail Soup Comrades.
9 Feb 2011, 10:48 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-570: @>^..^< katman(katman)-571: At what point did we start talking about race?
Last time I checked, we were talking about your free admission that you hated Luke Watson a sporting personality.
I made examples of many other sporting personalities who have been accused and committed offenses worse than his, which I don;t see this blog dedicating special interest in. My only issue is that you want to hold Luke up and crucify him for saying Mike Vick has done well in turning his life around, but no such vicious hatred is meated out for some of the others. The conclusion is what you’ve admitted to. The others, and their indiscretions do not bother you much, because you have a hatred for Watson. End of story.
Now your angles at Malema and making it political simply do not add up. Are you just throwing mud, or were we debating.
The discussion is in fact at an end, since you admitted that whether Luke twittered about Mike Vick, or New York fashion week is of no relevance really, the relevance is that you hate him. So hate away! Go for it! Let rip!
I only thought it was a waste of energy on someone who doesn’t even know who you are.
9 Feb 2011, 10:51 am
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-576: Hello Spooner. Following me around for mud throwing of your own. Boys Boys Boys. All this attention for little ol me.
I suppose you are just lending you support to the “WE BLINDLY HATE LUKE SQUAD”. Go for it. Follow the tweets. Knock yourself out.
Love to stay, but I have the rest of my life to live, with real people who know me.
9 Feb 2011, 10:53 am
@gunther(gunther)-573:
Not angry, but very very sexy today. Thanks for mentioning it.
9 Feb 2011, 10:58 am
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-580: Sweet heavens, Rossi, nothing I’ve said seems to have landed and taken seed anywhere. Read my posts again, this time without your angry specs on. Because everything you’ve just said here has already been answered (remember, fighting for the sake of it diminishes your cred when you really have a point). Anyway, I couldn’t have stated my case more clearly. You just want to argue, so I’m done here.
9 Feb 2011, 10:59 am
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-581: Hello Bossy. You only required a small dose of STFU this morning. Job done. Close the door behind you then and don’t hurry back.
9 Feb 2011, 11:26 am
@>^..^< katman(katman)-583: That’s what I was trying to say. We’ve concluded. Besides, I mentioned Barton too. You chose to side step him. Wonder why?
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-584: So you’ll be yapping at my heels today. Okay. SIT! Good boy.
9 Feb 2011, 11:38 am
I’m disappointed the keo scribes didn’t interrogate the Tolkien theme more vigorously. The “Return of the King” headline is pretty sharp, and suites a piece on Du Preez. But they could have landed a royal flush here with a bit of lateral thought, and milked the entire Trilogy.
The Fellowship of the Ring: An in-depth look at the inner circle of senior Boks who keep their spots by continuously kissing the coach’s nought.
The Two Towers: We take a look at how the Bulls will crumble back to their levels of a decade ago after Vic and Bakkies retire.
Return of the King: (already dealt with)
And as a bonus feature, we could have a piece that blows smoke up the bum of Luke Watson, called “The Hobbit”.
9 Feb 2011, 11:40 am
How’s this little obviously nothot tart commenting on everything but rugby.
There must be a full moon high above Boksburg… Hot flushes, anger and tantrums all round…
Truly special… A Boksburg special…
9 Feb 2011, 11:42 am
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-585: Who the fck is Barton? Honestly, rossi, you’re just pissing away your name here.
9 Feb 2011, 11:49 am
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-558: Woooh! Some harsh words there man, and completely unjustified – I would not have a problem with just everything Luke says – I usually enjoy the stuff he tweets and enjoyed the interview with him in SA Rugby, about how he has become a changed man.
This was not a good call from a professional sportsman who is a role model to kids and others.
When all the football scandals broke last year in the UK – John Terry, Ashley Cole and even Rooney’s – there was massive debate about their roles as role models for the country’s youth and their responsibilities off the field and so on. I firmly believe that these sportsmen have a responsibility off the field to be good role models.
If Pedrie comes back, and plays good rugby and makes the Bok team or whatever, that will be great for him and an asset to SA Rugby, but I dont think any of us (and I personally wouldnt) talk of him coming back from “adversity” or “a knock” or anything like that. His misfortune was unfortunately his own doing.
So go easy on the adjectives and insults. If you cant appreciate an opinion and another point of view and all you can resort to is shouting it down and insults, then it shows who, in fact, is “plain pathetic”
9 Feb 2011, 12:00 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-588</a You don't know then. Ok.
I don't understand why you are swinging insults and insinuating racism and getting ugly in your posts.
IF YOU WANT TO HATE LUKE PLEASE FEEL FREE TO DO SO!
Clear now?
Are we done?
9 Feb 2011, 12:03 pm
@wooden spoon(wooden spoon)-550: hahahaha, well, in a way my point is not even that its Luke (it just happened to be). But even if Smit (Grant would love that!), Habana, Shane Williams or any player had tweeted that I would have the same problem with it.
@Heavens Game(Heavens Game)-552: Well HG, its not only Luke who admires Vick – he has legions of fans and supporters. I suppose its different people – some view only what a sportsman does on the field as relevant, while others think they should be “good” people in their overall lives.
@>^..^< katman(katman)-561: I agree with you Katman – he didnt really turn his life around, he simply was allowed to return to the game, and played well (like he did before)…
I cant see though how someone who willingly harms innocent animals like that, to make millions of dollars, can be condoned. It makes Pedrie’s, Andries’ and even Luke’s transgressions pale in comparison!
9 Feb 2011, 12:04 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-590: You need an argument treadmill or hamster wheel, where you can go it alone and wear yourself out.
Insults? Racism? Ugly? Hate?
Go read again. Seriously Rossi, you’ve lost the plot here.
9 Feb 2011, 12:05 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-590: I could ask you the same about swinging insults.
You need to calm down oke. Its just a blog where people are discussing rugby stuff. You seem very tense.
9 Feb 2011, 12:07 pm
@BringItHomeBoks(bokfan1)-591: Yep, he needs several reincarnated lifetimes of good before he’s turned anything around.
9 Feb 2011, 12:11 pm
@BringItHomeBoks(bokfan1)-593:
Where did I insult you chap? As for opinions, I am entitled to mine too.
As for rugby stuff? Who mentioned twitter posts, and Mike Vick?
9 Feb 2011, 12:20 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-595: Come on guy – you wrote “Your just plain pathetic” – which I imagine is meant to be “You’re”.
You entire post @rossoneri(rossoneri)-558 was aimed at me instead the subject I had posted about.
As Katman says, @>^..^< katman(katman)-592 you seem to be looking for an argument all the time.
Come on, we’re all here to discuss and debate, but not to insult each other when we dont know each other. Save the insults for the Kiwis
9 Feb 2011, 12:20 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-595: It is rugby stuff! It was in SA Rugby mag, tweeted by a rugby player.
9 Feb 2011, 12:27 pm
@BringItHomeBoks(bokfan1)-596: Do you wanna list the insults that came my way? Didn’t think so.
So you mention Mike Vick and Luke, but no one else can express a view, because if we do, it stops being relevant? Hahahahahaha. You’re a funny guy.
9 Feb 2011, 13:42 pm
Other things I loved in the mag:
Ryan’s writing skills are coming along! The first 2 paragraphs of the Fourie Du Prrez article are pure poetry!
Also his description in the Face Off column that “sentiment directed my pen”
The Tweet section is very entertaining – Ross Skeate’s tweets were classic!
The Robert Gumede interview was brilliant, I like his vision and his views.
The article on referees was very interesting and well-balanced. It showed how complicated a rugby ref’s job is but also gave stats about how vastly different 2 top referees penalty counts can be (and therefore inconsistent for teams to play the game with). Fascinating.
What I didnt like:
Marc Hinton – BORING! As usual. Why would I want to read about the potential next AB coach?
Keo’s comments on Pdiv’s tenure being “4 years too many”. Offsides Keo! Is that column of yours published in a NZ magazine?
But all in all a quality mag that keeps improving
9 Feb 2011, 13:48 pm
@BringItHomeBoks(bokfan1)-599: Good to hear. Still sticking with the bits and pieces that I pick up for free on the Net….
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