Meyer’s the man
15 Mar 2011
MARK KEOHANE, writing in SA Rugby magazine, says the next Springbok coach should be named now.
Not only has Fourie du Preez given Heyneke Meyer the endorsement to be the Springbok coach post the 2011 World Cup, he is emphatic that if Meyer were to be appointed he would make himself available for the national team in 2012.
Give Meyer that job now and ensure Du Preez wears the No 9 jersey in 2012. It would make such a statement of the leadership in South African rugby – a leadership that too often fails itself – if there was such forward planning and certainty in making the appointment.
Instead we will get the usual cat and mouse games. Coaches, including the incumbent Peter de Villiers, will be asked to apply and in the time it takes to interview contenders players will have made decisions based on the uncertainty of who heads up Bok rugby.
South African rugby, like any other national union, can’t afford an overseas exodus of top players at the end of 2011 or premature international retirements.
Meyer would be my choice to succeed De Villiers, but there is strong support in South African rugby for Stormers duo Rassie Erasmus and Allister Coetzee and New Zealanders John Plumtree and John Mitchell.
Italy and former Bok coach Nick Mallett is expected to be off contract after the World Cup, but it is doubtful Mallett would ever want to coach the Boks again given the despicable manner in which Saru ended his tenure in 2000.
Of those coaches based in South Africa Meyer has the most appeal, but it would be expecting too much for any commitment to be made at this early juncture. Succession plans have never found favour in South African rugby boardrooms.
De Villiers, victorious or not at the World Cup, will not be reappointed. The four years he will have served as national coach unfortunately would have been four years too many.
There will be a new face, but whoever that face is will determine how many of the familiar faces remain in 2012. If they knew that identity in advance of the World Cup it would simplify the decision to stay in South Africa.
Du Preez’s public support of Meyer, in an interview with colleague Ryan Vrede in this issue, should be noted with more than just a passing interest because Du Preez in 2012 can be as instrumental to a new generation of Bok rugby as he has been to the Bok glory years of 2007 and 2009.
Victor Matfield is huge on the world stage and even bigger in South Africa, but his imposing presence is secondary to what Du Preez offers the Boks. And that should tell anyone about Du Preez’s value and pedigree.
Du Preez’s fitness will determine whether the Boks can be the first team to defend the World Cup and with Du Preez at scrumhalf the Boks can be successful with the kick-and-chase game that failed them so miserably in 2010.
There is always place in the game for that approach if the right player is there to implement the kick. When it comes to Du Preez, he has no equal in that aspect of the game and as a scrumhalf none have matched his control of field position.
South African rugby should be doing everything it possibly can to keep Du Preez in the country after the 2011 World Cup. New Zealand, if they are to win the World Cup, can’t afford to lose Richie McCaw and Dan Carter, and South Africa simply can’t do without Du Preez.
He is the most complete and influential professional rugby player this country has known. There has to be a plan to keep him in South Africa, and that plan must involve his mentor of the last decade, Heyneke Meyer.
– This column first appeared in the March issue of SA Rugby magazine.
234 Comments
15 Mar 2011, 12:45 pm
Blueprint Dragon!
15 Mar 2011, 12:52 pm
pdv tell them to stuff off. First it was Jake now it’s Heineken…he must wait for his turn
15 Mar 2011, 12:54 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-2: If you appointed the next Bok coach, would Heyneke be your choice?
15 Mar 2011, 12:56 pm
Fully agree with keo, after 7 years of crisis management it is time that SA rugby appoints a true professional coach, be it HM or NM. If you want to be the best you have to invest in the best. There is an abundance of talent in players. Let’s get these guys coached by the best so that they can reach the top (global level)
15 Mar 2011, 12:59 pm
Keo you xenophobic racist
15 Mar 2011, 13:03 pm
Journo trying to pick the coach once again.
15 Mar 2011, 13:06 pm
The day we get all our backroom nonsense sorted out will be the day our Boks become unstoppable : )
15 Mar 2011, 13:07 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-5: Noticed that too, didnt want to comment on it.
15 Mar 2011, 13:11 pm
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-8:
You scared of him?
15 Mar 2011, 13:23 pm
I have no doubt Meyer is the best coach currently in SA.
But I do not see the landscape coaching at Bok level change one iota even if he ends up coaching there.
People forget, Mallet was the best thing since sliced bread at the time he was appointed.
Straeuli, at the time he was appointed or just before was writtend into the job of Bok coach by the media, and was the best thing ever at the time. Keo you actually worked under him.
The monster that is SA Rugby, especially at Bok level where the shots that matter are called by those who never get fired, or are held accountable, will destroy any coach, no matter how good, at this level.
If I was in the shoes of Heyneke (which I will never be of course), I will continue to do what I do now, and one day retire with in the very least, my reputation as a coach intact, because taking on the position of the coaching the Boks you are assured of only one thing, it will be your last as a coach.
15 Mar 2011, 13:26 pm
The only place Meyer will serve SA rugby, and remain an influential and respected figure, is if the position of Director of Rugby at national, senior (and junior) levels are created – because that is where he should be. The boss of the coaches and in charge of any and all succession programs at national level, and throughout all age-group levels at this level.
15 Mar 2011, 13:29 pm
Would du Preez not go to Japan if Meyer is appointed or what?
15 Mar 2011, 13:29 pm
Lots of levels there…
15 Mar 2011, 13:30 pm
@super_adi(super_adi)-12:
He would make himself available to the Boks, which is not the case at the moment or what it will be after this year’s World Cup.
15 Mar 2011, 13:35 pm
Mallett, Meyer and Plumtree….quality coaches worth their weight in gold.
Jake White needs to prove himself again to be a contender.
15 Mar 2011, 13:35 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-9: lol. Was actually starting to draw a comparison between his view in foreigners and affirmative action, to point out if he thinks AC is competent he should then get the job, based on the “fair” discrimination principle found in affirmative action, the same principle Keo uses to differentiate between local and foreign coaches.
But I knew the fight would escalate into an all-out brawl between the usual suspects, with Keohane nowhere in sight.
15 Mar 2011, 13:39 pm
for me anyone of Nick mallet [ my favorite by a country mile ]….H Meyer or J Mitchell would be just fine!
As for Gold, Muir and PDV….
Ek hou liewer my bek!
15 Mar 2011, 13:39 pm
Mallet wins one game in 20 bazillion by one point and suddenly he is the Messiah.
15 Mar 2011, 13:40 pm
ja…also plum…cool coach that oke
15 Mar 2011, 13:42 pm
they’re clowns. when have they ever respected achievement?
Os? Jake? Mallett? …
all about ego.
15 Mar 2011, 13:44 pm
Director of Rugby to my mind is NOT a position that can be created and filled from outside. A succesful DoR is usually a head coach that grow into the position. He needs to demonstrate his methods and systems first as a coach.
Nick Mallet is a way better coach compared to Rassie. However, as DoR at WP Rassie has done much better. Mallet never coached at WP
In theory D ick Muir is the DoR at the Lions. I cannot see how any one will take him seriously because of his coaching record at the union. Mitch is the man.
The last candidate we had for an SA DoR was Jake …
Meyer can be an excellent DoR for the Boks but then he needs to do the coaching first and prove himself to be succesfull at that level – just as he did with the Bulls.
15 Mar 2011, 13:45 pm
Meyer as the director of coaching is a great idea. We need somebody, ANYBODY, with a real rugby brain to be in charge of the backroom gang running our rugby!
15 Mar 2011, 13:46 pm
@Beertjie(Beertjie)-21: directed @PissAnt(PissAnt)-11:
15 Mar 2011, 13:50 pm
fokkit…proteas need at least another 60 runs here…go duminy you beauty
15 Mar 2011, 14:00 pm
Gadzooks!!! Meyer would be out of his depth in the international game. World rugby has moved on since his 10-man insipid kick, rush, guage and stamp had some limited success under the auspices of a different set of rules.
In his time at Leicester he came across as a belaguered old fool. Myred in an old way of paying rugby that showed scant regard for the paying spectator and little respect for the real traditions of the game.
If I was in charge of SA Rugby I’d take a long hard look at John Mitchell. He’s in the country and Saffa’s are natturally deferential to New Zealanders. He’s also learned from the very best. Sir Clive. Go get him guys…
15 Mar 2011, 14:01 pm
Meyer’s impact immediately evident at Tuks. Very impressive against Maties, in attitude, approach to the breakdown, playing field position. And doing the basics first.
15 Mar 2011, 14:05 pm
@StMichel(StMichel)-25: greetings … a voice from a distant past … one of the original visitors to my kingdom
15 Mar 2011, 14:07 pm
@keo(keo)-26:
It is not his ability anyone contests, it is the system that he will step into that either allowed him to exercise this ability to its full extent, or inhibits it – my money is on the latter…
15 Mar 2011, 14:08 pm
and another thing …
set clear objectives, short/medium/long term. identify areas for improvement, set goals, measure results, make sure tomorrow is better than yesterday in all key areas.
luck is not a strategy. its about systematic planning and detailed execution. last time i looked this was a professional game.
pdv is an amusing fellow and i might enjoy a beer with him, but its obvious he can’t plan his way out of a wet paper bag.
next time hire a systematic long term thinker with a track record of success. then target some milestones and hold everyone accountable.
15 Mar 2011, 14:08 pm
@keo(keo)-26:
System…
Meyer was the clear choice for the Lions two seasons ago, they opted for Muir.
Reasons I was told is Meyer wanted too much power, Lions wanted a yes-man – this is SA Rugby.
15 Mar 2011, 14:10 pm
@keo(keo)-26: heineken’s “impact” is nowhere to be seen in the bulls’ Vodacom Cup team!
15 Mar 2011, 14:12 pm
26. keo(keo)
Keo good to be back Sir!! I hope the natives have been behaving themselves in my enforced absence!
15 Mar 2011, 14:13 pm
@keo(keo)-27:
Vok
Typical to greet someone with plum in his mouth
What about the originator of your kingdom. Me.
I made you, I take you down.
15 Mar 2011, 14:14 pm
@StMichel(StMichel)-32:
The Bill let you out for good behaviour?
15 Mar 2011, 14:28 pm
Bleater duh Failures should never have been. His time should have been over by last year at he most. And SARU know it. Heyneke was the right man for the job, and hopefully SARU will have learnt from this disaster and make the right decision now. And this time, that decision must be a rugby one, and not another shortcut to nowhere.
15 Mar 2011, 14:29 pm
@StMichel(StMichel)-32: It would be a sad day if the natives on this site ever behaved themselves
15 Mar 2011, 14:30 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-33: Notice how he pointedly ignores you.
15 Mar 2011, 14:31 pm
the same old story. Matfield would only play for the boks if heiniken are coach 2007.
Matfield deny making such a statement after playing looseforward in france
Fourie du preez states its the best springbok environmnet yet.
PDV and Earl rose is keeping this site alive.
Heineken, Jake haven’t been a head a coach in some time.
15 Mar 2011, 14:32 pm
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-37:
Mmmmm.
15 Mar 2011, 14:32 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-31:
Heyneke is the only truly successful coach at Super rugby level! Your beloved Mrs Bleater duh Failures can boast no such thing. Who was the first person he ran to last year? Ah yes, Plumtree, trying to get the man that fixed his 09 campaign onboard again. But he declined, and so the search continues to this day, trying to secure a team to again do his job. But nobody wants to be a part of this farce. Heyneke is the best and only man for the job. It baffles me that you will not credit him. He’s an architect, which the Boks need after four years of utter B*llsh!t. Are you threatened that you transformation appointment is under threat? You’re visibly not too concerned about the rugby.
15 Mar 2011, 14:33 pm
@adi(adi)-38:
Rather them than a person who hasn’t be a coach his entire life!
15 Mar 2011, 14:38 pm
Goodness this is paint-drying stuff
15 Mar 2011, 14:41 pm
@Blitzbok(Blitzbok)-40: Alucard: you can change nics all you like, you bullsh*t still leaves a stench
keo is being a “journalist” again with his selective reporting, Tuks beats Maties and it’s all credit to Heineken while the Bulls’ vodacom cup team is copping loss after loss – is heyneke not responsible for that team?
15 Mar 2011, 14:41 pm
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-37:
You think he ignoring me cos I called him a xenophobic racist?
15 Mar 2011, 14:44 pm
women can’t handle being ignored…
15 Mar 2011, 14:47 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-44: Nope. He strikes me as the sort of guy who takes pride in that.
I think its the threat to “break” him which made him go into sulk mode.
15 Mar 2011, 14:48 pm
if heyneke goes to the boks next year then the bulls’ transition period might be a really painful one.
i bet you WO will also make himself available to the Boks if heineken is coach…
15 Mar 2011, 14:49 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-43: Come now Transie, stop arguing against your better judgement. Heineke is a proven coach if ever there was one. If not him, who else? What are your criteria for a good coach (other than the colour of his skin)?
15 Mar 2011, 14:51 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-43: Maybe the opposite is actually true? He is coaching Tuks iso the VC Bulls. Thus Tuks improving and BB going backwards. If you want to critisize HM use this angel: why is the DoR of the BB wasting his time in the Varsity Cup instead of stepping in to rectify the problems at the BB?
15 Mar 2011, 14:52 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-43:
Alucard? I don’t know what you’re talking about and I dont care. I speak the truth, thats all that matters chump
15 Mar 2011, 14:53 pm
SA needs a coach that can think outside of their prejudice.. White Saffa S15 coaches are unable to do this… Its a cultural thing.. useless fks
15 Mar 2011, 14:55 pm
@Couchcoach(GI POT)-48: if u read carefully i haven’t said anywhere that heineken shouldn’t take over the Boks next year.
as for now, PdV must finish what he started on his own!
15 Mar 2011, 14:55 pm
A simple reason, namely, totally unimportant.
Not surprising at all
15 Mar 2011, 14:57 pm
@Transformation(Transformation)-47:
Nope, WO is going to apply for the SuperSport commentator job, they are looking for a female presenter.
15 Mar 2011, 14:59 pm
Hands, feet, minds still AWOL.
Also not surprising. Gross selfishness, even in this period of lent, and glaring deficiencies.
15 Mar 2011, 14:59 pm
Lots of grammatical errors.. My apologies.. but let me say it again
SOUTH AFRICA NEEDS A COACH THANK CAN THINK OUTSIDE OF HIS PREJUDICES… WHITE SAFFA COACHES CAN’T DO THIS.. IT’S A CULTURAL THING..USELESS FUKKS
Now let us all move on
15 Mar 2011, 15:00 pm
@PissAnt(PissAnt)-54: Ouch!
15 Mar 2011, 15:10 pm
Quite hilarious when Keo shows his face with a quick hit.
The usuals drop everything, even their pants, in their rush to pen something to him to gain his attention and he ignores them and addresses a voice from a very distant past.
How more insulting can that be to the Manyis, Strawberrys and Pissies.
One word for them, that aptly descriptive one in Cape Dutch, ‘gatkruipers’.
They could name a soapie just with that as title, so good will it be.
Relax the tease is over in about 40 mins. but you are still decadent.
15 Mar 2011, 15:10 pm
For those who have a problem with Affirmative Action look at JP Morgan Investment Bank.. It strives for optimal diversity so that they can be assured of the best talent available.. They accept that many managers cannot think outside their prejudice resulting inferior appointments procured at excessive costs.. They see prejudice as organisational weakness and challenge their manages to think outside of it or to fkoff..
I hate investment banks but lets not throw out the baby with the bath water
15 Mar 2011, 15:12 pm
this article was bound to upset the keo yuf league.
I say let divot sail his ship himself.
If he sails it onto the rocks so be it.
we will redeploy him elsewhere.
15 Mar 2011, 15:14 pm
@ET.(ET.)-58: Keo is piss scared of me.. I am gonna catch him on his radio programme and embarrass him in front of 500,000 listeners… because I want to and because I can
..
Watch out Keo.. I am coming to get you …boo wooo
15 Mar 2011, 15:15 pm
Deon Helberg still a student?
15 Mar 2011, 15:15 pm
45
Nor can a Manyi, hence he states it in the hope that it distracts.
15 Mar 2011, 15:17 pm
So what Keo is saying is that Fourie Du Preez ought to sellect the national coach. He is holding SA rugby ransom saying that if he doesn’t get the coach he wants, then he is taking his ball and leaving for Japan.
15 Mar 2011, 15:17 pm
@The X-factor is staying at home.(gunther)-60: On that.
Are there any hot girls in the ANC Youth League?
I’ve always wondered.
15 Mar 2011, 15:18 pm
@youknowwho(youknowwho)-61:
Keo is marginally tolerable relative to the hordes of ‘gatkruipers’ selfishly(in their lent) looking at the faces on their paper money.
15 Mar 2011, 15:22 pm
What do the plebs., at best, know about sailing? Totally out of touch with reality.
Have to yet to decide to leave your ivory tower 16 years after ‘uhuru’ for the plebs.?
15 Mar 2011, 15:23 pm
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-65:
I doubt it.
all the ******* get co-opted to work for kenny at ZAR.
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-64:
he’s not holding anybody to ransom.
he can do what he wants and so can SA rugby.
grow up ffs.
15 Mar 2011, 15:23 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-64: He tried that before but then he decided to give PDV a ******** and a box of chocolates as an apology… PDV liked the BJ and chocolates and forgave him because of his christian principles.. I reckon FDP was just checking if PDV still likes BJ’s and chocolates this time around..
I think he still does…
15 Mar 2011, 15:24 pm
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-65:
Look in the mirror.
That’s girl really and you can have the hot, free of charge.
15 Mar 2011, 15:27 pm
@youknowwho(youknowwho)-56:
Damn, Still got it wrong
SOUTH AFRICA NEEDS A COACH THAT CAN THINK OUTSIDE OF HIS PREJUDICES… WHITE SAFFA COACHES CAN’T DO THIS.. IT’S A CULTURAL THING..USELESS FUKKS
15 Mar 2011, 15:27 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-64:
Anything vaguely negative about powder blue predictably irritates the X(not Malcolm,the only meaningful X).
15 Mar 2011, 15:34 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-64:
What Keo is saying ” Boks cant play without Fourie and the only guy that will keep him in SA is Heyneke Meyer”
15 Mar 2011, 15:35 pm
@ET.(ET.)-72: I see so.
15 Mar 2011, 15:37 pm
Fourie just have to take Morne Stain with him!
15 Mar 2011, 15:37 pm
@The X-factor is staying at home.(gunther)-68: Would it be fair then for Pdv not to sellect Fdp for the WC2011 based on these comments. It clearly states that he has no confidence in the coach and his methods, and this would harm the team Pdv is coaching. It’s the equivalent of calling the coach a dumb wanker, and then wanting to be sellected to play for his team. Can’t possibly work, me thinks.
15 Mar 2011, 15:38 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-73: Still holding SA rugby to ransom. Do as I say, or you lose me stuff.
15 Mar 2011, 15:39 pm
@ET.(ET.)-70: I have no doubt that you are educated, that your (often irrelevant) ramblings attest to.
But smart?
No.
That your lack of wit shows.
Many years ago “Noot-vir-Noot” had a contestant named Daantjie. He could recite volumes of legal acts as he worked in a law library and had a great memory. He was unfortunately slightly retarted and couldnt apply the memorized information.
A tragic figure he cut, with all of his studied knowledge, contrasted with childish utterings.
See where Im going with this?
15 Mar 2011, 15:39 pm
Happy Birthday to KAKast coach ever (Maybe not ever, since Jorrie Muller has joined the Lions coaching setup)
15 March Naka Drotske
15 Mar 2011, 15:40 pm
I think he may have problems taking over, not because he is a great coach, and not because players respect him, but because of the negativity that will come from the politicians and their agenda. Suffice it to say, I doubt it will happen.
15 Mar 2011, 15:40 pm
Fdp is mistaken though. Boks played fine with young Hougard at 9. Fourie is not the first, last and only scrum half SA has ever had. He is not bigger than the team.
15 Mar 2011, 15:41 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-76: PDV himself has stated that he will only see out his current contract, not interested in coaching beyond WC2011.
15 Mar 2011, 15:41 pm
Ides of March……ominous…..
15 Mar 2011, 15:41 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-73: He may be right about that, but there is an easy fix: get a decent coach and any number of scrum halves are good enough.
15 Mar 2011, 15:41 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-80: Lining up your excuse already for the crash ball methods of HM for a job that is not even his yet?
15 Mar 2011, 15:42 pm
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-82: Good for him.
15 Mar 2011, 15:43 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-76:
it doesn’t state that at all.
you are dreaming.
he was asked a question.
would he consider staying?
and he said yes.
and now the “journalists” are using this as a stick to beat divot with.
which is what this is all about.
in reality there is no way he could play anyway because he has signed a contract and he would never be picked for the boks whilst playing in japan.
the conspiracy that you see has everything to do with the journos and nothing to do with the player.
15 Mar 2011, 15:43 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-79: Happy Birthday Naka. May you stop wearing those stripped shirts for all your losing coach interviews.
15 Mar 2011, 15:44 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-85: I don’t think he would be the best coach to be honest, just stating why he won’t be called.
I’d prefer him to have the job than have them call up my Plumtree!
15 Mar 2011, 15:44 pm
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-82:
do not waste your time.
15 Mar 2011, 15:44 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-80: You think that he is a fragile **** too..
.. very thin skin???
I wasn’t going to bring it up but I think that it is also a Cultural thing.. look at you
15 Mar 2011, 15:44 pm
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-78:
Daantjie was a star!
He won the Dertig Duisend-Vuf in n Ry
15 Mar 2011, 15:46 pm
@Mighty Horua(Mighty Horua)-92: He was! Petulant though.
Remember him pushing that female contestant 9cant recall her name) after losing against her in the “Kampioene” final?
15 Mar 2011, 15:47 pm
@youknowwho(youknowwho)-91: You won’t get a reaction out of me kid, I don’t have the need to prove anything, nor am I unbalanced by chips of inferiority.
You would not understand how it feels to be culturally superior in all areas and yet watch people try and convince themselves otherwise.
Kinda sad.
15 Mar 2011, 15:47 pm
@The X-factor is staying at home.(gunther)-87: Why are you so dik bek today and in a snotty mood. You’re usually more jovial.
15 Mar 2011, 15:48 pm
Dantjie was autistic if I’m not mistaken. Our own local “rain man”.
Well played fella.
15 Mar 2011, 15:48 pm
k@kkest Bok Backline ever would be :
january
elton
m bosman
waylon
habana
m killian
jantjies
15 Mar 2011, 15:48 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-95: Apparently he had car troubles earlier.
Ask Dawn about it.
15 Mar 2011, 15:49 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-96: I knew it!
You watch Noot-vir-noot!
15 Mar 2011, 15:50 pm
Oh and i’m not convinced that HM is the only option to lead the boks, we have a few quality coaches available. Will we be brave enough to pick and then actually back them?
Doubtful
15 Mar 2011, 15:50 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-95:
stop talking out of your hairy inbox and I will try for a smile
15 Mar 2011, 15:51 pm
fdp is the best rugby player on the planet & he aint scared of a tsunami..
15 Mar 2011, 15:51 pm
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-99: I see everything, know everything.
Watching you right now in fact. You eat with those fingers???
15 Mar 2011, 15:52 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-94: I got reaction out of you… you lose
Please use the L provided below.. Increase the font size and attach to front of forehead
L
15 Mar 2011, 15:52 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-103:
15 Mar 2011, 15:52 pm
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-98:
poeslap
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-100:
out of interest who are these options?
15 Mar 2011, 15:52 pm
After giving it my most careful consideration, I have reached the conclusion that there is no easy way to satisfy the likes of Extra Testicle and Shaun Langedinges. A disgruntled coloured knows no soothing.
So for the sake of peace I suggest we let them pick their own team and their own coach. They can play their home games at Athlone Stadium. And since it would be a team they consider representative, we will affectionately call this home ground The House of Representatives.
Eerwaarde Extra Testicle can be their very own Louis Luyt, and Lanedinges will be their Wynie Strydom.
Is this doable?
15 Mar 2011, 15:56 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-107: You dont get it.
Thats not what they want.
They have what they want, massive chips on their shrunken shoulders and a platform to whine about it.
15 Mar 2011, 15:56 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-107:
Yes
15 Mar 2011, 15:57 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-107:
Cape Spanish Allstars?
Very doable.
15 Mar 2011, 15:57 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-109: And you can dance for them.
15 Mar 2011, 15:58 pm
wicket for ukallees.
3 down for 36
15 Mar 2011, 15:58 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-107:
He is fed up cos I speak to Keo.
Keo may not answer but he hears all and sees all.
He slates my posts, my religion, my upbringing, calls us “gatkruipers”, makes fun of my BB, etc etc
I just do not get it.
15 Mar 2011, 15:58 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-100: IMO if we want to put rugby first then we need an international coach. Get rid of all the colour/culture/english/afrikaans yada yada and concentrate on rugby.
15 Mar 2011, 15:59 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-111:
That’s conduct unbecoming.
15 Mar 2011, 15:59 pm
@youknowwho(youknowwho)-104: Don’t try and box with the big boys, you’ll just get hurt.
15 Mar 2011, 16:00 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-115: My apologies. You and Rossi can dance for them.
15 Mar 2011, 16:02 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-117:
Listen
This isn’t like you
Stop it
15 Mar 2011, 16:04 pm
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-78:
Yes I clearly see where you are going as your recitation hits right back at you and the manifestations are abundantly clear as demonstrated now.
What you called “studied”, to a thinker is really just memorised bits.”Daantjie” , like you, memorises to recite and never is able to apply his recitations because it is memorised bits and NOT knowledge – do you see that in yourself ?
Word of advice don,t contradict yourself so badly by saying ” I have no doubt that you are educated, …………..” and then you weakly with a silly recited story try to disprove it. It truly makes you look silly.
Science at my level thrives on applying knowledge mostly or you are shown the door, especially if you are a non-American.
Can anyone work the genome in all its demands without being able tp apply medical science knowledge? Ask your wife before you hazard an answer.
Or I can give you that answer by saying just, NO.
My worthy session begins so you have about two hours to reflect on your indescretions.
15 Mar 2011, 16:07 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-107: You are such a racist
… I got a new pack of race cards..and you got the first one.. Huge achievement… There is also a L on the back 
But here is my team:
1 Beast
2 Maku
3 Mujati
4 Bekker
5 Matfield
6 Luke
7 Alberts
8 Johnson
9 Bolla
10 Lampie
11 Mvovo
12 de Jongh
13 JDV
14 JPP
15 Aplon
Bench:
Ricky
Kabamba
Gurthro
Elton
Bissy
Undecided Lock
Undecided Tight Head
15 Mar 2011, 16:09 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-114: Now I agree with you. As long as it is not Plum…hehe. We need him for Sharks. Mitchell would do fine though.
15 Mar 2011, 16:10 pm
@ET.(ET.)-119: Your entire regurgitation basically boils down to:
“I know what you are, but what am I” in the way of a response.
Grow up old man.
15 Mar 2011, 16:10 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-116: Says the biggest p ussy in town??
15 Mar 2011, 16:10 pm
@youknowwho(youknowwho)-120:
lambie ahead of rose????
are you crazy or something?
15 Mar 2011, 16:11 pm
Tuks hooker to maties hooker: ‘fok jou … Jou engelse fokking doos.’ Ref: ‘watch your language’ Tuks hooker: ‘sorry Sir’ ******* priceless!!! Transformation jou engelse f0kking d00s
15 Mar 2011, 16:11 pm
@The X-factor is staying at home.(gunther)-101: That puts you into perspective. I’m sorry you took that approach. I had you wrong then. Never pegged you as a guy who would use revolting comments when speaking to a woman.
15 Mar 2011, 16:11 pm
@The X-factor is staying at home.(gunther)-106: In my opinion?
HM would be one option
Allan Solomons
Nick Mallet
Gert Smal
PDV
The real problem comes with the “after sales support” so to speak. In most other countries in the world the coach has the accountability, but also a fair amount of control over his team.
In this country there is too much interference, requirements etc.
Chilli Boy for example. Forced upon them as the new captain forcing the coach to pick him at the expense of more deserving candidates.
That’s what I mean’t by “backing” them.
15 Mar 2011, 16:13 pm
what ever happened to Ashleigh Langenhoven, she use to send to very juicy pics of herself … anyone have a contact number or email or somethng?
15 Mar 2011, 16:13 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-118:
hi dawn,
saw you in the traffic this morning.
but you ignored me like you didn’t know me.
must have been my hired car and new haircut.
15 Mar 2011, 16:15 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-126:
excusez-moi
it’s not aimed at women in particular.
me also talk out of their hairy inboxes.
et is a fantastic example.
if you took psecific umbrage to it s as a woman then you have my apology.
the sentiment stands though.
15 Mar 2011, 16:16 pm
@charo(charo)-124: I am not a racist
..
but let ER get some game time to get his act together and then hewill definitely be in the team.. No use including that has had his confirdence completely shattered by the lesser people who run SARU and the franchises
I think outside of my prejudice…
15 Mar 2011, 16:19 pm
@youknowwho(youknowwho)-123: But my boy you are mistaken. We are not puddys, we are colonial masters. We whip possies into submission and take their resources.
Then we dress them in shoes and make them fan us while we sip Gin and Tonics. Nothing possy about that kid.
Go fetch me a cucumber sandwich and bring my whip, I feel a beating coming on.
15 Mar 2011, 16:19 pm
@charo(charo)-129:
You the three-necked bald guy with the tiny Chevy Spark?
15 Mar 2011, 16:20 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-133: Eish.
We all owe Gunther an apology.
15 Mar 2011, 16:20 pm
@charo(charo)-129:
thanks for coming forward.
I’m taking a lot of heat on that one
15 Mar 2011, 16:21 pm
@>^..^< katman(katman)-107: And you can pick your oranje team and play there as well.
If that aint breaking down barriers, I don’t know what is? What exactly is your gripe? What have you done to further a homogenous society, other than admit that non-whites just about make the grade as humans in some instances?
15 Mar 2011, 16:21 pm
@charo(charo)-129: Perhaps I passed you at Cape Town airport??
Is it a radical haircut?
Perhaps you could recommend you barber to Peter Grant, I was at the Stormers game on Friday with G10 and Robzim, noticed Peter Grant was the brightest ‘star’ that evening but boy oh boy did he need a shave!!
15 Mar 2011, 16:22 pm
@The X-factor is staying at home.(gunther)-130: I take umbrage.
15 Mar 2011, 16:22 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-127: I take it that you are an afrikaner hence the inability to think outside of your prejudice?? ..
@WO_to_kill_Sir_Elton(WO_to_kill_Sir_Elton)-128: Another Afrikaner???
15 Mar 2011, 16:22 pm
keo has made a fool of himself, yet again. There has not been one successful SA S14/15 coach that has done well at the national level. They were all dysmal. The best Bok coaches were untarnished by provincialiasm and were able to think outside of the box. Barring Chrisite, Mallet & White, PDV has done rather well better than Maarkgraaf, 2PLUS3(Duplessis), Viljoen, Strauli.
Anyway what happend if PDV pulls the RWC off? He will probably stay on!
15 Mar 2011, 16:23 pm
@The X-factor is staying at home.(gunther)-110: You used to be funny and witty……….What happened?
15 Mar 2011, 16:24 pm
@rossoneri(rossoneri)-138:
then I apologise.
like I said it wasn’t directed to you as a women.
it was an equal opportunity insult.
15 Mar 2011, 16:24 pm
@Puma(Puma)-121: Robbie Deans. I think he would be better with the Boks than with Australia.
15 Mar 2011, 16:24 pm
@race of tan(race of tan)-140: There have only been 2 successful SA S14/15 coaches. HM and FL. Neither have had the opportunity to coach the Boks as yet.
15 Mar 2011, 16:24 pm
@The X-factor is staying at home.(gunther)-142: equal opportunity insult.
15 Mar 2011, 16:26 pm
@pompies2(pompies2)-141: Rough time of the month for you, little pump?
15 Mar 2011, 16:26 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-132: Guess what.. I am in the UK doing the same thing.. along with the Indians, West Africans, Pakistanis and Eastern Europeans…
15 Mar 2011, 16:26 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-133:
well, justrugby did some cyber spying on me and reckons i need to lose weight.
i would say two-neck probably more descriptive.
avis gave me the car – didn’t check what make but it is bladdy small.
went for dandruff treatment again so the hair is missing. normally wear a balaclava but that bladdy car is so small kept on getting stuck on the roof lining.
15 Mar 2011, 16:27 pm
@youknowwho(youknowwho)-147: What peddling drugs in your hoodie and opening corner shops?
15 Mar 2011, 16:30 pm
@carol(carol)-137:
how did the race go?
hopefully no wind this year.
15 Mar 2011, 16:30 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-149: … and shagging their women
15 Mar 2011, 16:33 pm
Ja Meyer for Bok coach, not that I really care about the Boks since I am 90% provincial
I want Meyer at the Boks because it will weaken the Bulls at make things easier to pinch their up and coming and established stars … yes Bully boys back to the year 1998 for your lot.
15 Mar 2011, 16:34 pm
@carol(carol)-137: Hello Carol,
How did the Argus go? Are you still in SA?
15 Mar 2011, 16:34 pm
@youknowwho(youknowwho)-151: Oh the Essex crew, well you are welcome to that lot, they think making it means appearing on Page 3 of The Sun.
Well that will set you up perfectly for yet another strain on their NHS.
You see, when colonialists strike, infrastructure appears, roads, wheels, education and medicine arrive too. When you lot strike, you just, well, strike.
There is a slight difference, one I am sure you are aware of. Don’t you feel embarrassed by being such a drain on resources?
15 Mar 2011, 16:34 pm
@charo(charo)-148:
Didn’t ignore you just didn’t recognise you!
Stalker.
That ND reg was a bit of a giveaway though.
15 Mar 2011, 16:34 pm
@Lions snap losing streak(RL)-152: You are the ugly side of provincialism.
The Anti-tacitus.
15 Mar 2011, 16:35 pm
@Lions snap losing streak(RL)-152: For once I agree with you, I support The Sharks much more than the Boks. To me my provincial team represents me more, and is better coached (as they all are) than the Boks.
Sharks make me proud, Boks make me apologise.
15 Mar 2011, 16:37 pm
@youknowwho(youknowwho)-151:
I don’t think prossies from the former soviet union count as “their women”.
15 Mar 2011, 16:37 pm
@Lions snap losing streak(RL)-152:
don’t you mean “90% anal”?
15 Mar 2011, 16:38 pm
@charo(charo)-150:
I did not win !!
Even tbho the conditions were perfect!!
15 Mar 2011, 16:38 pm
Carol has to change her nic to :
She-who-ignores-all-Keolings-when-in-Cape-Town-except-Grant10
15 Mar 2011, 16:38 pm
@charo(charo)-148:
Cyber spying on you ??
Don’t flatter yourself, my time is far to valuable !!
15 Mar 2011, 16:38 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-143: We should have had him already. Said so at the time. Now think he will stay on with Oz from what I have read.
Get Mitchell. He takes no nonsense. That is the kind of coach we need. He is a superb coach. Can you imagine what he would do with our talent that we have here? We would be unbeatable almost with a coach like that.
Would we ever get a international coach? I doubt it. BUT think that is the way to go. Must be a kiwi coach though. None of the rest are really up to it.
15 Mar 2011, 16:41 pm
@Puma(Puma)-153:
Hi Puma,
Have to say I had a wonderful Argus, the organisers should be proud of themselves it ran like clockwork……the people of Cape Town and along the route were so encouraging…….Everyone who has ever enjoyed bike riding in SA should do it!!
Sadly I am home now!!
15 Mar 2011, 16:41 pm
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-156: in 2008 a Meyer-less Bulls team finished 10th on the Super log … Ludeke needs hand holding.
Be afraid if Meyer leaves the Bulls.
:green:
15 Mar 2011, 16:41 pm
@Puma(Puma)-163: My memory may be vague but i think Deans was linked to the Bok post while still at the Crusaders, he stated he would not be interested in it due to the politics.
Can anyone confirm?
15 Mar 2011, 16:42 pm
@goyougoodthing2(goyougoodthing2)-154: At least Essex women know how to shag… not a bad thing
I am not one to throw the baby out with the bathwater.. Colonialism wasn’t all bad as was Hitler… The UK has much to offer to the world in terms of systems and governance.. I am here to help maintain the UK’s place in the world in that respect… because I am very clever
15 Mar 2011, 16:42 pm
@carol(carol)-160: Carol, if you at the airport then you must be heading back home. Have a safe trip.
15 Mar 2011, 16:43 pm
@Lions snap losing streak(RL)-165: I do not disagree.
Have always said I will judge Ludeke post 2011 as a Bulls coach, right now he’s cashing in on Heyneke’s hard work.
15 Mar 2011, 16:43 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-161: Shame, I would have loved a Firemans excursion….!!
15 Mar 2011, 16:44 pm
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-166: Not sure mate. But heck he would have done well here with the players (talent) we have.
15 Mar 2011, 16:45 pm
@The X-factor is staying at home.(gunther)-158: Very racist Gunther… My second race card goes to you… very naughty
Now go an sit on the naughty chair and think about what you done… ai.. these children of today
15 Mar 2011, 16:45 pm
@justrugby(justrugby)-162: You were sadly missed…
15 Mar 2011, 16:46 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-155:
same time, same place tomorrow then
8)
15 Mar 2011, 16:46 pm
@carol(carol)-164: Well that was a very quick visit. How long were you here for?
Now that you have done the Argus, are you gonna train for the Comrades?….
I could help out there with your training……..lol.
It is the greatest long distance race in the world.
15 Mar 2011, 16:47 pm
@charo(charo)-159:
80% Lions
10% Boks
3% anal
1% Bull
1% Cheetah
1% WP
1% Kings
1% Reds
1% Highlanders
1% England
15 Mar 2011, 16:48 pm
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-166:
Fools … to think they left the genome to be fracked up by ET.
15 Mar 2011, 16:48 pm
@carol(carol)-170: Howcome you never got to Firemans?
DAWN why did you not organise something at Firemans while Carol was here?
15 Mar 2011, 16:49 pm
@charo(charo)-174:
Chevy Spark just don’t do it for me!
15 Mar 2011, 16:50 pm
@carol(carol)-173: Carol,
Looks like Sharks and Saders are playing at Twickers on the 27th. 4pm. You need to go.
15 Mar 2011, 16:50 pm
@Puma(Puma)-178:
Don’t shout at me!
I didn’t even know she was coming!
Only Grant10 had that privilege!
15 Mar 2011, 16:50 pm
@Puma(Puma)-175: Only 8 days……
The Comrades is too hardcore for me, however I plan to run a 10 k on Sunday!! lol
If I change my mind I will come directly to you for Comrades tips!!
Ok must dash…I will mail.
15 Mar 2011, 16:51 pm
@Lions snap losing streak(RL)-176:
you should have gone 90% lions….
and (10%) sharks…….
and it would still have added up.
8)
15 Mar 2011, 16:52 pm
@carol(carol)-164: Pleased you enjoyed the Argus Carol. Forgot to mention that.
15 Mar 2011, 16:52 pm
@Puma(Puma)-180: 4man is planning a UK excursion for Sharks v Saders…..!!
15 Mar 2011, 16:53 pm
@carol(carol)-173:
LOL !!!
Well done on your completion of the Argus, I hear Rob was mightly impressed with your “staying” ability !!
15 Mar 2011, 16:54 pm
@carol(carol)-182: Comrades is much harder than the Argus. Have to admit that. But is is fun…. But the training ruins the knees. So rather not…hehe.
Carol, coming for 8 days was far to short.
Good to catch up.
15 Mar 2011, 16:55 pm
@carol(carol)-185: Good, Then you need to go and SUPPORT my team over there…lol.
15 Mar 2011, 16:57 pm
@Dawn(Dawn)-181: Thought you organised the Firemans get together in CT? For visiting keo bloggers? Then you need to have a word with Grant for getting in the way…….lol.
15 Mar 2011, 17:00 pm
Okay I am out of here.
Cheers everyone.
15 Mar 2011, 17:07 pm
@youknowwho(youknowwho)-139: What predjudice is that?
Xenophobia? I just don’t think that picking a foreign coach a-la Plumtree, Mitchell or Eddie Jones is good for SA rugby. Call me predjudiced if you will, that’s ok.
The poeple on that list have either:
a) coached an international team, or
b) coached a championship winning team
The only other coach who fits one of those 2 criteria and isn’t in my list is Alistair. Because i don’t really rate him.
Oh, and White, Strauli, Markgraaf etc. But please don’t call me predjudiced for not selecting them. For various reasons I just don’t think they are appropriate.
Is there anyone who is outside of my box then that I should have considered, given a fairly objective set of criteria?
Enlighten me. You know you want to
15 Mar 2011, 17:09 pm
@Puma(Puma)-189: Dont blame me…i only organised tickets for the fri nite rugby ….could only get 4 tickets….robzim, carol ….my lady and i….very rushed visit….i only had the 1 evening….so sorry to all others who feel slighted….definitley not intentional….hell i bloody love Dawn!
15 Mar 2011, 17:16 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-191: All those you mention gained their credentials in a paradigm of prejudice hence my hesitance to grade them …. Its the same paradigm that almost excluded PDV who now has a record that is better than average at the highest level.. AC had to be a bag carrier until he was given an opportunity to fail and we all know how wrong that has gone
I accidentally became a star Project manager one morning when my boss could not get to a meeting and asked me to chair it in his absence… look at me now..
15 Mar 2011, 17:20 pm
@youknowwho(youknowwho)-193: You’ll notice I actually included PDV in my list. Not sure of you picked up on that.
Thing is, this isn’t actually about race. I simply don’t rate Alistair. Nor Gold, Muir or Rassie. And it’s not because they’re white either
15 Mar 2011, 17:23 pm
@Puma(Puma)-163: I agree, I doubt we would get one, but we need one.
15 Mar 2011, 17:24 pm
@youknowwho(youknowwho)-167: Clever men do not go out with Essex girls, besides, I doubt you are black enough for them
15 Mar 2011, 17:27 pm
I have a feeling in a few years’ time, Smit will be involved with coaching the Boks.
15 Mar 2011, 17:27 pm
@stormersboy(stormersboy)-194: The presumption that you put him in last place to rank him???… or to sell a fascade of non-racialism.. I won’t rate you on that one post but we have conversed before and I not your attempt to move away from your prejudice.. You getting their mate .. but no cigar
I have to shoot off.. catch you later..
15 Mar 2011, 17:27 pm
I reckon Paul Treu has been guaranteed PDivvy’s job after the RWC. Alistair will also be Jake’s boy, and no one likes that tag.
Keo, stop wasting your time promoting guys like Heyneke who simply does not fit the rainbow nation mould.
15 Mar 2011, 17:28 pm
@youknowwho(youknowwho)-198: not = note
15 Mar 2011, 17:34 pm
@youknowwho(youknowwho)-198: I think you presume too much. Do some research about my postings on PDV. Good and bad.
The history is there for all to see.
You haven’t given me any alternatives by the way.
15 Mar 2011, 18:15 pm
@Taahirah(Taahirah)-122:
I easily pick out your glaring error of comprehension(remember how you hated that aspect of language) and you emphasise that deficiency again, so perfectly.
A response for the sake of a response is always pathetic and inevitably weak.
119 was so basic and instructive wrt knowledge, and memorisations in addition to recitations on the other hand, but it still did not register as your quick, unthought through, irrelevant 122 indicates – and you want to go to and fro with me?
If you cannot discern the basic difference between knowledge and memorisations how can you be expected to apply simple logic? That requires the e- and g-factor properties to be prevalent and your admitted weakness at maths. confirms you cannot reflect that.
That legal info background and whence it came from does not say anything positive about your knowledge base at all, let alone any meaningful application of that.
What can be expected from the likes of you, if not meaningless, mythical, baseless and banal emotional outbursts with not a single substantiated factual foundation – Verwoerd’s projects exhibit in more than one way.?
15 Mar 2011, 19:27 pm
Whitley is the man and a better player than that weak Spies or that show pony Kankowski will ever be.
Is Whiteley the Shark that got away?
Lions No.8 Warren Whiteley has been a revelation at the back of the scrum since bursting onto the scene in last year’s Currie Cup, but he could have been a Shark.
Whiteley looks to be yet another top quality loose forward to come through in South Africa’s never ending conveyor belt of back row stars that make most other nations green with envy.
The 23-year-old has been a regular starter at the Lions since the John Mitchell revolution towards the back end of last year and has formed a great partnership with Joshua Strauss and Derick Minnie as a highly competitive loose trio.
However, Whiteley’s rugby development started in Durban where he was a schoolboy and then at the Sharks academy.
“I’m a born and bred Durban boy and lived there most of my life,” Whiteley told rugby365.com.
“When I was in Grade 10 my parents moved up to Johannesburg and I didn’t want to move schools from Glenwood so I stayed in Durban.”
“I love the outdoors and living by the sea having grown up there.”
The talented No.8 was almost lost to rugby completely after he went to North West University in Potchefstroom after school to follow in his sister’s footsteps and study graphic design.
“My sister is a graphic designer and we are all pretty artistic in my family, but after four months at Potch I changed my mind about studying and decided to go back to Durban and join the Sharks academy,” he explained.
“I was very fortunate that the Sharks and my parents believed in me and gave me that opportunity.
“I was with the Sharks for three years and at the end I was part of the Currie Cup squad, but didn’t get much game time because they have some really good loose forwards who have been in the side for quite some time.”
In search of some extra game time Whiteley then moved to another coastal town, Port Elizabeth, and joined the Might Elephants on a short term contract at the end of the 2009 season.
“I really enjoyed the chance to go to EP and get some game time and play at a higher level in the first division instead of only playing club rugby,” he said.
Finally the big break came for Whiteley, when he received an offer to join the Lions at the start of 2010 and made the move inland to Johannesburg.
Current Lions boss Mitchell can thank his predecessor **** Muir for bringing Whiteley to the Lions from Durban.
“**** Muir phoned me and asked if I was interested in coming to the Lions, because when I played for the Wildebeest he was still the Sharks coach,” he explained.
“He said I should give it a shot because there would be more opportunity for me to play here than at the Sharks where there was more depth in my position.”
However, it was Mitchell who gave Whiteley his first start in the Lions senior team and he hasn’t look back.
“John Mitchell backed me and I’m very grateful to him,” Whiteley said.
“He has a lot of knowledge to give to us and his attention to details helps so much, especially for me because he was a No.8 himself.
“I’ve found my feet playing at No.8 now and I’m still learning a lot, because I was a flyhalf at school until in Under-16 I moved to openside flank and only played at No.8 for the first time at U21 level.”
Together with the rest of the young crop of players forging their place in the Lions, Whiteley is excited about the rugby culture that is being brewed at his new home.
After several years of disappointing results, those bad memories began to get washed away by some promising Currie Cup performances last year.
“The Currie Cup was a great experience for us and to start something and building a culture showed us that this is the start of something great,” he said.
“Now we know that we are ready for the challenge of measuring ourselves against the best Super Rugby teams.
“I just want to be a good team man and keep my place in the starting line-up and add as much value as I can.”
With the freedom to play as part of the starting XV Whiteley is able to test himself against the players he looked up to at the Sharks.
“My hero growing up was Henry Honiball, but the loose forwards I look up to currently are Kieran Read, Ryan Kankowski and a guy like Keegan Daniel because of what he is able to do when you think about his size.
“Ryan and Keegan are awesome guys and I’ve played with and against them – it is always good to measure yourself against the best.”
Whiteley is coming into his own at the Lions and despite his love for the sea – he isn’t planning on leaving the big city just yet.
“The Lions have done so much for me that I want to stay here for as long as they want me,” he said.
yes it is true.
15 Mar 2011, 19:37 pm
jeepers creepers these gatgabba broederbonders are only but up each other dik geroomd and this Keohane dude is spinning it thick and fast up there like he wanna piece of the action. the Meyer and du Preez show, like spinning for President and running mate, you scratch myass and I scratch yours. Heyneke probably offered Fourie the captaincy if he gets the gig in 2012 and FdP reciprocated the endorsement, and Keohane wants IN bigtime.
Actually pretty sickening the entire schmoozeup butter up song and dance and anyway this overawed messiah worshiping singalong as if FdP and Meyer are both Gods gifts to SA rugby. I reckon this game gotta move on and stop regurgitating yesterdays overrated hero’s, go write a book FdP I’m sure you’ll make nearly as much as Jake and John, who knows perhaps even more.
If I were in the vote I’d say move along but then maybe everyone as still intent on marking time and hark the herald angels sing around the blessed hero’s halo’s.
15 Mar 2011, 20:01 pm
Hateful thread
15 Mar 2011, 20:46 pm
An Afrikaner should not be selected to coach the South African national rugby team ever again.Keohane is a chancer of the highest order.
15 Mar 2011, 20:59 pm
where’s the hatred Dawnie girl, its just politics, rugby politics perhaps but outright saffa style you scratch myass I scratch yours politics nevertheless. And politics at the best of times hardly ever breeds contented conquestadores but much more likely to breed uncouth contempt,
15 Mar 2011, 21:05 pm
classic skop @ 204.
15 Mar 2011, 21:26 pm
typically we have the same old racist haters here ,
but re Meyer i agree with the haters, why Meyer ?? what has he done here in the last 3 years to warrent being the bok coach
If we win the world cup why should pdiv go??
also why the **** are we talking about dropping or firing a coach just before the world cup , is this the only way the journo’s on here get some joy in life , is to be negative??
@Dawn(Dawn)-205: i agree with you dawn , just another hate thread to gain hits,
15 Mar 2011, 21:29 pm
and another thing is wtf is fdup to make such a statement??
if he wants to demand who the bok coach must be or he wont play?? he should f*off now
15 Mar 2011, 21:50 pm
thank you Sharks_loverboy its about time people start seeing this precious glorified prima donna pansy boy for the suurgat precious prima donna he is, no matter how they all just luurve to sing his precious hallelujahs.
Maybe FdP got second thoughts about scoffing sushi while dodging Tsunamis, perhaps this maybe behind his sudden change of heart, else its Heyneke been spinning him the Oh captain my captain play it again Sam song and dance routine.
15 Mar 2011, 21:53 pm
@skopiskoobidoo(ilanjo)-211: skoppie i have no doubt in the guys abillty as a player , but i dont ever agree with a player making such demands
its like do it my way or i dont play?? stuff that, there is enough talent in this country
15 Mar 2011, 22:01 pm
Ideally Meyer should be Bok coach after PdV, but Oregon Hopkins won’t want to disappoint his chommie PdV and would rather give him another 4 year contract no matter what the world cup results are.
The answer is: Get rid of Hopkins so that SA can get a better coach.
15 Mar 2011, 22:02 pm
I am no great fan of Fourie du Preez but can remember a report in which he emphatically denied that he has ever made demands about who should or who should not be the next bok coach.
15 Mar 2011, 22:28 pm
ya maybe Robzim is right, perhaps this is just another keolite sing us another sack the slimy coach and hail the gun for hire on the blazing horizon serenade, perhaps FdP never said such a thing, even if perchance this was perhaps what he been secretly thinking. Could it possibly be the Keoring propagation plethora putting subliminal words in other men’s mouths, could it be they’d stoop that low to gain some extra leverage on their uncompromising agenda?
15 Mar 2011, 22:31 pm
robzim: 214
I’ve come across team-mates
who’ve wanted the guy ahead of them
to fail so they could get a chance, but
that ’s never been the case with
Francois. I want to leave South African
rugby in better shape than I got it, and
in Francois you have a player who
could exceed what I ’ve done.’
Having named his heir, what then of a
coaching successor to Peter de Villiers?
Du Preez doesn ’t hesitate: ‘I think
Heyneke would be the perfect
candidate and he deserves the
opportunity given what he ’s achieved.
‘Next year will be a rebuilding year for
the Boks and Heyneke has shown that
there ’s nobody better at putting
structures into place for long-term
success. He could build something that
lasts beyond the four-year cycle
between World Cups and I think we
need that. He hasn ’t been a head coach
at Test level but indirectly he’s been
responsible for much of the success of
South African rugby through his player
identification and player development
at senior and junior level. A hands-on
role would make him so much more
valuable to South African rugby. ’
Du Preez concludes with a telling
statement: ‘I’d reconsider international
retirement if Heyneke became coach.’
15 Mar 2011, 22:37 pm
here we have the dirty racists again. QUE OS DEN POR CULO
15 Mar 2011, 22:47 pm
well thar she blows, there you have it straight out of the Transportation of information horses mouth, he said it, there it is, in black and white, ‘I’d reconsider international retirement if Heyneke Meyer became bok coach’, now if that ain’t a veiled kinda I’m the bees knees Mr. Wonderboy and I’m ready to change my clanger if my head honcho got the nod, cause I’d likely automatically be the blue eyed numero uno first name down on the team sheet with couple pips on my shoulders and possibly a captains armband round my wrist, then I dunno what is.
I reckon if I were Pdv I may even consider calling the tune right now and let the messiah go drink sake and walk on Tsunamis a whole year ahead of schedule, wouldn’t that be just a glorified hallowed hoot?
15 Mar 2011, 23:07 pm
meyer on du preez:
‘If your scrumhalf crumbles under
pressure your whole team will fall
apart, ’ Meyer explains. ‘Fourie never will
because he has no flaws that can be
exploited. Absolutely none.’
15 Mar 2011, 23:22 pm
hmmm……so much of anger.
personally i think that meyer is overrated. if he had lost the final at the tank in 2007 he would not even be mentioned right now.
and as for fdp saying he will play IF meyer is appointed, i say hasofokkoftolandofrisingsunson, we no need you here with attitude that smell like you bum.
too much of hype from these journo fokkers imo.
16 Mar 2011, 01:06 am
Anyone knows about any live streaming in the USA?
I would love to watch the Stormpies klap Fourie and them this week end at the Fortress
16 Mar 2011, 02:14 am
@gerhard(bokdrol)-221:
http://www.vipstand.net
Click on the rugby icon for new window ,then select your game of choice, of those available from schedule
16 Mar 2011, 03:12 am
Man this youknowwho and rugbygenius must be related.
youknowwho you have some major issues dude, never rate yourself like that it looks very bad. You have some seriously thick tinted glasses on and it’s all about race for you.
I lived in the UK as well and seriously I won’t touch Essex girls if I where you, you might end up having to marry a gypsy girl not because you want to but because you have no choice. That whole caravan camp full of Irish travlers will hunt you down.
16 Mar 2011, 03:28 am
The coach must be selected on merit and at the right level too.
Pdiddy, same as White were sucessful at junior level but had no S15 exprerience. Both suffered from been thrown in the deep end and not allowed to successful at senior level.
60% win ratiois not good enough for the worlds larget rugby playing nation.
Anway why Meyer and not say Mitchell or our besr so far Mallet.
16 Mar 2011, 06:42 am
I would even go as far as getting the next coach involved in the WC. A smooth transition would help everyone and could only help the three clowns.
16 Mar 2011, 07:12 am
@Transformation(Transformation)-219:
The flawless man, I bet his sh it doesn’t stink either.
16 Mar 2011, 12:27 pm
this is shameless stuff from Keo, i smell a book deal on the horizon…
16 Mar 2011, 12:40 pm
janee, this is arsekissing of the highest order, no wonder the Greatest refuses to give interviews – 4 more years for the wee maestro one hopes.
16 Mar 2011, 12:45 pm
thank goodness mark keohane isnt the coach, seems one dimensional kicking would be the order of the day, play fourie du preez for his kicking ability never mind his ball distribution supreme defence and sniper runs, one finds it very hard to take what you say seriously, your previous involvement with SARu makes your judgement far from objective, i think maybe you should change sports maybe to cricket or hockey cause your tactical appreciation of the game is lacking and your cynical view point of the management of SARU makes for destructive criticism rather then constructive.
22 Mar 2011, 11:55 am
Meyer is the man. The time for a truly professional coach has come, after the world cup of course. Who else but HM? A South African coach’s success should be measured by his success at super rugby level.
Plumtree and Coetzee might eventually win the super rugby title, but can you compare their success with that of Meyer’s? HM won 4 currie cups, a super 14 title, and had a successful stint at Leicester Tigers. The structures and players he developed at the Bulls made it easy for Ludeke to win 2 more S14 titles. Keep in mind the core of that group forming the backbone of the springbok team-Matfield, Bakkies, FDP,Habana etc.
It should be unforgivable if another coach without Super Rugby success gets appointed AGAIN. Jake White was lucky to turn things around before winning the world cup. Even though the world cup doesnt mean squat if you cant continue dominating international rugby like the All Blacks have done for the past 2 decades. The reason for their dominance? Because they have had truly professional coaches calling the shots, just look at the teams track record. The last time the boks had a good winning streak was with Mallet and he got sacked and guess what he qualifies as a professional and respectable coach. The embarrassment of PDV is almost at an end and its time to give a respectable coach the top job.
If there is a better coach Id like to hear who it is…
27 Mar 2011, 19:10 pm
Meyer is the man indeed lord kitchenre wtf r u on about?
28 Mar 2011, 13:34 pm
There i s one coach that towers above all others – Mr Rassie Erasmus – the coach with a brain. some called him the most brilliant strategist in world rugby.
Fact is he has done wonders for Free State and now Province.
Meyer second in line but before Jake white? I am talking merit here not politics.
28 Mar 2011, 13:54 pm
@Jeez(Jeez)-230:
Certainly could live with Meyer a bok coach – who is unquestionably a fine coach. I do believe though that Rassie has something extra.
11 Apr 2011, 16:15 pm
keo did you not write that divvy should be kept for 2 terms? now meyer is the man…jy like ook gatkryp!
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